Introducing Rulebreakers with Saraya
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Some people play by the rules, but the real game changers, they break them. Hello, our fellow third-kinders. I want to share a clip with you from Rule Breakers with Soraya, a new podcast that celebrates the unfiltered rebels, risk-takers, and the ones who make their own way. Each week on Rule Breakers, former wrestling superstar Soraya sits down with the boldest voices in sports entertainment and beyond

for no holds barred conversations about breaking barriers, defying expectations, and rewriting the rules. Now they're talking about it all, including taking DMT on your birthday and the realities of mail-order ketamine therapy. Nothing is off the table.

As you enjoy this preview, make sure to search for the full episode of Rule Breakers with Soraya, featuring guest Kale Lowry, wherever you get your podcasts. Maybe we should do like a worm cleanse because I think they do that in other countries. Yes. You know what I want to do too? Maybe we should do this. It's an ayahuasca retreat. I think...

Did you tell me? Somebody told me about that. I would definitely do that. Yeah, I do DMT. What's that? DMT is like, it's what's in Iowa, except for when you're not throwing up and it's only like a nine minute high and it's like a plant. It's like tree bark or whatever it is.

Anyway, it makes you, you take it, it's nine minutes and you cannot get off the ride. So you have to fucking just deal with it. So I inhale all the smoke. I put it in like a bong for my birthday and I inhaled it three times and you shoot up, dude. Like you're in fucking another universe with fucking aliens. And I remember- What, like high? Yeah, like- Really? It just like, you go into another universe. I don't know if you guys have done it before, DMT.

You go into another universe. It's fucking bonkers, right? So like I'm shooting up and I had my ex-boyfriend there at the time and I can hear him talking to me, right? And I'm like, my eyes are closed. And then he's like, relax. And I'm like choking. I'm like, like doing this. And he said that never happened and that he wasn't talking to me. But I was like,

I was tripping. I get shot up. I was going through like this fucking tunnel. And you know like a kaleidoscope or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it's like shapes and shit like that. And then there's like the sound of monks going like that, right? Like just whizzing past my ear. And then eventually I get to the end of this tunnel. And then I don't know what the Egyptian woman is called, but the one with like the big… Hatshepsut? Yeah, something like… Or Cleopatra? I don't know if she's Egyptian. No, Cleopatra. It's the one with like… I'll get Adler's… Hatshepsut.

Yeah, like the Egyptian queen. And basically she said, everything's going to work out. Everything's going to be fine. You're going to be good. Like good things that come in. You saw her? Yes. Fucking talking to me, dude. It was fucking weird. And then all these like black shapes, like bodies and shit. It was, it was true. Is this like therapy?

Or it's like you choose to go get high. Yeah, it's like you choose it. But the ayahuasca retreat is like a therapeutic thing. Yeah, yeah. Whereas like you drink it and then you like, then you puke. So you do it for like a week or something. Did you want to do ayahuasca? Is that why? I've seen a documentary about it. Yes, please sign me up. Ayahuasca.

it's cleansing it's cleansing and it does make you throw up aggressively aggressively it makes you throw up but afterwards you feel like so like well cleansed but positive like you feel really fucking good like you can't have a negative experience on it apparently but it is like very cleansing and they do it in like some fucking jungle yeah like in Mexico or something like that in like the rainforest or wherever the fuck it is so I'm like I would love to go do that you don't have your phone for a week that's the thing

I mean, I'm sure that you would be able to keep it. But like the whole thing. We'll take turns. You post on my socials while I'm out and I'll post on your socials while you're out. Yeah, there you go. We still got to make money. I mean, we'll have to get like a shot of it on the screen, but that's something I would do. So we've got to do ayahuasca. What about ketamine? Oh, I did ketamine treatment. Did you? I did. I did it as a therapy. It was okay. They actually sent it to me in the mail, which I was like, this is pretty dodgy.

But there's like, there's a thing called Better You around here. And like, I was, I was like, I need some therapy. Like, I need something. I'm really fucking depressed, you know? And so they were just like, try it. Because there's a doctor out here that you can go to and like, do it controlled. Yes. I just don't know what the fuck I would say. Yeah.

You might shit our pants. I would definitely shit my pants. Yeah. So I just don't, I worry about what I would say. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, no, for sure. It's like when you are under after a surgery and you wake up and then you start saying stuff that you're like. And you're like, what the fuck did I say? Yeah, exactly. It's like that. But the stuff that they sent to me was just like little mints. And basically like you put it in your lip and you let it dissolve, which I'm like,

Is this normal, you know? But it gave me like a little bit of a high, you know? It was like very relaxed. I mean, I'm like, listen, I'm always trying to find like a more natural substance, I guess. Like more like holistic? Yeah, exactly. Because, you know, I did a lot of drugs back in my day, a lot of drinking. So I'm like, oh, I'd never do that again. But if that's something from the ground. Then you're like, I could justify this. Exactly. Okay, so we're going to...

Turkey. Turkey. We're going to do ayahuasca retreat. Yes. We're also going to go do ketamine together. Yeah, ketamine and a worm cleanse. If you enjoyed this clip, you can find the full conversation with K.O. Lowry and even more episodes of Rule Breakers with Soraya. An Odyssey podcast wherever you get your podcasts.