"Life is Not a Cabaret" with Griffin Johnson
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Today, we're talking about one of the biggest blowouts between myself and Luann. The Miami trip with the Real Housewives of New York becomes the Luann show. For this episode, I really wanted to get content creator and TikTok sensation Griffin Johnson's take. He is from a different generation watching content that is of the age of his parents. And what does a young man from an entirely different generation think about this circus?

For context, Griffin was nine years old when my first season of The Housewives aired. So I was really curious to get his generation's perspective on the show. This is effectively mom tent to him. What does it look like to someone in their early 20s? And in our conversation, I'm sharing behind the scenes stories that I've never shared before. Is life really a cabaret or is it a cabernet? Let's find out.

Well, Griffin, you're at my bar, at my house. And this is my dream place to do the podcast. And I'm only here in the summer now for the most part because Paul is in Boston and I'm in Connecticut. So I don't get here as much, particularly for work. And this feels right. It feels right. This is it. This feels right. I want to describe to people how we met before we embark on this crazy Housewives journey.

review discussion. So my recollection of meeting you is having you on the podcast. There was something about you that was very...

gracious, earnest, kind and good. And I liked that. And I was excited that I could tell Bryn that I was having somebody who's a big deal with millions of followers on TikTok on the podcast. And then our paths kept crossing in unlikely ways with other business people. And you were trying to sort of get into the next level of business space. You had succeeded in

social media, undeniably, and we're making a living at it very young, long, you know, decades before I made a living in anything, but you were looking for something else. That's what, that's my perspective now. I'm looking at it. Yeah. I mean, so I did start on doing the TikTok stuff. I went on your podcast, which is how we kind of initially met. You understand sort of where we came from because TikTok from the public kind of gets like a

Someone doesn't call you a celebrity. They're like, oh, you are a TikTok star. You're TikTok famous. You're TikTok famous. It's not like a movie or like, you know, music or something like where you're just famous. It's like, you know, TikTok kind of has its own lane.

which I feel like, you know, reality TV sort of does too. It's like, oh, you're a reality star. You're not just like famous. It's hard to cross over. Yeah, I'm trying to like put it into perspective, but I think people understand is like, you know, you don't think of a reality star the same as you would think Brad Pitt. So, you know, there's a few lanes. It's like entrepreneurs and like movies and music. Like there's things that make you credible and,

You know, not a lot of people understand where I'm coming from and where I'm trying to go. And that's kind of unique. And I feel like that's kind of why we cross is

Just through that. I don't know. It's like you understand me more than most people can understand my career and where I've been and what I'm trying to do and how difficult it really is. And the moves you have to make because you are, I've said to you respectfully, you are young and there's no way that you can have the institutional knowledge of making all these mistakes that someone like me has made on my own.

my own, navigating it on my own. I'm thinking about what you're saying. So for me, I've done the quote unquote rinse where people take me seriously as a businesswoman, not just that I was on Housewives, but it's still where I came from. So you still obviously have to speak TikTok language and live TikTok life, but you're trying to ride two horses at the same time. You're trying to bust out a little bit and then you'll decide whether you want to leave that

That's the hardest part though. You nailed it. Like writing both because it's like I still have to make TikToks even though I don't really want to make TikToks but I have to do it to keep it going in order for this to work like the other lane to work. Well you don't mind doing TikToks it seems like but the TikToks that the people

want yeah yeah bro content they want the bro content you're a bro with the you're sitting with your other guys chilling with your homies yeah yeah right eating junk food and drinking alcohol in the house and dancing right that's literally it like just not being a bum but like there's nothing to it ironically it's like we really didn't do anything that's funny which we did it left us with like zero brand it's like we're just the dudes that got a lot of likes and then people are like what do you do and then you're like

I make TikToks. Like, you don't have a brand. You've already evolved because I think you were on the podcast and I think I gave you, I don't think it was Josh. Maybe it was Josh, the homework of saying what your brand was. Yeah, yeah, it was the homework for me.

I think that you and I both in talking about possibly doing something together, I don't know when that started. You were asking me advice about something different and you had a project that you thought I might be interested in. And I have never, I don't even like, I've never had a mentor. I don't mentor people. I don't, so I'm using that term very loosely because it's just the only way I can say it. I had never taken interest in someone's career who's younger and a totally different space and

I could say it's because of my daughter, but I don't think it really was. I think you're very unique. You're very smart. You're very honest. I think that even having you at my house today, I think that people think like, I think you're totally misunderstood. It doesn't matter. And it's fine because most people that are famous, no, I'm saying from JLo to Ellen to whoever, a lot of people have are different at home than they are in their business. That's fine. But you're really a hometown guy. Like it's not a bit, it's not an act. Like you really are different.

- He couldn't get any smaller, yeah. - So I was the first person ever to monetize reality television, like period, the end, full stop. The first person, it woke up the entire entertainment industry because I was on the cover of Forbes and it was in the Hollywood Reporter that while no one was really paying attention, I was talking about this dum-dum brand that I had thought of, which is all over here, the Skinny Girl brand, this one flavor, and it just took off. And then the spinoff of the show,

for, you know, a beam, a company came to me to buy it for a lot of money. And I like became successful and rich at the same time on television in front of this audience. So this is where I came from. And in my, you know, and as an adult, like your late thirties, you don't know

what you're going to do with your life. You don't know how you're going to support yourself. You really don't have family. I understand. And not in my 30s, but I still understand. So I couldn't imagine if I had another 10 years. Yeah. 15 years. You don't know like what's really going to happen, you know. So this all happened in front of everyone. And I think that's what they appreciated, the authenticity and just like me being vulnerable about it and showing off Gucci bags and facials and all the phony bullshit now that's on the housewives.

but this is where I came from. You know Carrie Bradshaw's? Oh my God. Okay. Sex and the City. Carrie Bradshaw. Do you know what Sex and the City is? I know it's, that's a soap opera, right? No. This is what this is about. This is what we're doing, people. This is what we're doing. I've heard Sex and the City, though. This one, sure. My mom has watched. Well, yeah. My mom watches it. Right. Your mom and grandmother are going to have to come on next time. Is it not a soap opera? It effectively is, but it's not. No, it's a dramatic show of four. It's like,

Entourage for women. Okay. You know what entourage is? I know what, yeah. Right. Doug Allen's, yeah. Right. So it's entourage for women that were living in the city that were, it was almost like a sexual revolution because all the girls that you say follow you and message you now are showing their bikinis and their scantily clad outfits and being slutty is cool. Back in my day,

This was not something women were like talking about having sex and getting blowjobs. It just wasn't done. So that show woke up like I'm in my 30s. I'm dating. I tried to put myself in the time as well because it makes it a lot different. Wait, when? What do you mean? Like when the show came out. What show? You're the...

Sex and City? Housewives. Oh. I'm saying like I try to put myself in those shoes even because it's like. Oh, when you watched it last night. Yeah, because when you guys were doing that, it was a completely different time. Okay, wait. So we're going to get into that. Now it makes more sense. So we're going to get into that. So Carrie Bradshaw was in her late 30s and she kept being with the wrong men and dating and trying to find the right key to the door. And she didn't know where she was in her life yet. So I was that for the housewives in New York. Everyone else was Rick.

Everyone else had a rich husband or a car they were renting to pretend they were rich or they were divorced and had a title or something that made them. And so I was a weird choice casting wise because I was living in an Ikea apartment.

You're like the question mark. Yeah, what's gonna happen? Thank you So so I was on for three seasons and I left I've always left at the top in my opinion like when you wouldn't expect me to leave I left for three seasons then I came back so probably like four or five and then I left again So what you saw was during the comeback period the B is back. So this is rewives and

I can't say there was like a scientific formula to why I chose the episode for us to watch. There's just some episodes. I had to Google what a cabaret was.

So if that tells you anything, I mean, first thing I did, I was like, I thought it was like Cabernet, like the wine or something. And I was like, oh, it's about wine. Well, it's about wine too. It is about wine also. But it's like a weird like nightclub vibe. Like a burlesque show. Yeah. You're going to be great. I actually am loving you more and more as we do this because I know my producers too, because people don't think about how different generations really speak a

a different language. Oh, yeah. I had no idea. I would never think you didn't know what sex in the city or cabaret were. We're talking a different fucking language. You guys said cabaret like everyone should know what that is. See? I'd say I had never heard that in my life. I had to look it up and I was like, what? Amazing. Okay, so. Because it's a title so you know it's big. Oh, I was like, you're very,

You're very, that's one thing too. You're very analytical. Like you'll do research. I had to. I mean, what do you think I'm going to do? Walk in and be like, yeah, cabaret. And I have no idea. But I would walk in cool because I never prepared for anything. And I would just ask what's cabaret. So what do you think cabaret is now? Because I don't even totally know, but I think I know. I think it was kind of like what that girl on the,

Poster it was like a nightclub party kind of vibe, right? But what does it feel like a little like Vegas see to you? Like what is it? Yeah, like Vegas like a little like Vegas like if I was gonna walk in somewhere It'd be like one step down on a strip club, right? That's what you know burlesque is

No. It's like one step to the side of a strip club. Yeah, it's like the step down. It's like the strip club without the half-naked girl. Right, but it's a little like... But it's like sexy. Yes, dark and sultry and feathery. So I'm on it. Yeah, you're fully on it. Okay. Yeah, it's like a Lone Jack. Right, right. It's a Lone Jack, which is a throwback to like... You'd smoke one of those long...

Cigarettes. Cigarette things, you know, like from Dalmatian. Well, Boardwalk Empire is that show about like Atlantic City during Prohibition when alcohol was forbidden and like they're all just swanky. Swanky. Yeah, well, that was the initial probably sexual revolution before Sex and the City when women were really feeling their sexuality then and it closed down for a while and now it's back. It's back. It's fully back. Have you ever seen Pretty Woman?

The movie? I know what it is. Right. It's a prostitute who ends up marrying Richard Gere, a finance guy. But the outfit that she was wearing when she met him, she walked through a Beverly Hills hotel and everyone was shocked by it. Megan Fox wore a lot less to the VMAs last year. A lot less than what used to be shocking that a prostitute would wear. Like, it's just there's no... You could wear... Right now, you could wear... I mean, I think like...

You can wear anything you want. I think that the biological, the legal biological parts of your vagina can't be showing and that's it. Like, like, like literally. Give you a piece of yarn. Yeah, like just whatever the legal limit of your, like that's, no,

Nope, that's not your actual vagina. Whatever the actual literal definition of your vagina is, as long as that's not showing, you can wear it out. As long as there's a question mark, if that is your vagina. Exactly. Is it? Yeah. Then you're good. Yeah, as long as it's not, we don't know. We can't definitely identify it as a vagina in DNA experience, then you can wear it out. And the same thing as your nipples.

The shady part around, it's fine. But the little like eraser at the end of a pencil, that cannot be showing. That's it. You just caught the end of a pencil? Yeah, like an eraser. Like, yeah, as long as that. The teat. The teat. Thank you. Okay. All right. So let's get into rewatch.

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I don't remember the names of all the people, but I do have a lot of questions about the entire show. In general, I know this was a show, so you're being filmed and whatever, but I think it was interesting to see, like, I think my mom really, like, and, like, a lot of women that are moms want to just be, like, cool. Like, they still feel young and, like, whenever, especially when their kid's leaving or whatever, I think it's just a lot of them are lost. You go through, like, a period where it's, like, from...

I don't know, let's say 18, 19, you're lost until like, I don't know, 25, 26, 27, 28, whatever. And then you kind of have a period where you, you know, get married, have kids, whatever, find yourself for a while. And then that kid is like graduating and going to college. And then you go through like a whole thing again where you're like lost. I mean, housewives like really showed me. It's like, wow, like,

Yeah, my mom's older than me, but she really just wants to be cool and still be like a cool mom. Well, you're describing that. That's really interesting. You're describing that so...

You're in your 20s and you're having fun and you're partying and you've got like freedom stage. Yeah. And then in your 30s, people start pressuring you and you should be getting married and then you've got to be on some path. Right. So you've got this like, let's say, even if you're 32 and you're nowhere near married, but you want to be or figuring out your career, it's still on your mind. The responsibility phase is on your mind. So you're going to be in that responsibility phase, even if you're an embryo in that phase from 32 on.

to let's say 50 for argument's sake. - Yeah. - Right? So you've got an identity locked in. Even if you're working, you're still managing. Like I'm aware right now, my daughter's in the house. What is she doing? Is she having fun? It's in my mind. I'm in the responsibility phase. Right? So, and I'm a late bloomer. But so these women, their kids are off to college. It's like, they're done with their responsibilities. They want back their twenties. - I think that's why you did so well on the show. Like it's evident that like you've like, you're like hip and cool and they weren't.

And like you're just able to like break it down, I think. Like you're just on a completely different wavelength than they are. They're like the moms that are like already have rich husbands and they're like settled and bored.

And you were kind of like this person that's like, I don't know, you were more real, more grounded. And I think it was because you're saying you were like broke and still were living a very normal life and weren't. And I don't know. Did they pay you extra to be a therapist? I mean, like it was crazy. You're like the counselor, like the summer counselor.

That's funny. I've never heard it described like that. But you're describing women that all of a sudden want to go back to their 20s. They want to live that space again. I think so, yeah. I understand it. Like, don't get me wrong. I'm living a great life. Like, I definitely am going to regret not living it more, I feel like. So I get it. But yeah, I think that was the biggest thing. I think that's what made you a star, really, is like, I look at this and they're...

Everyone's kind of looking at you to show them how to be cool. That's so funny. And you're watching one episode you're talking about. This is one that I haven't seen. Oh my God. And it's so funny because, so that, yeah, I guess that episode, yeah, that episode is as indicative of the whole thing as any other. So I'm thinking about how crazy I was and I had just experienced a death. So I was, I had someone in my life for 32 years who was a good friend who I knew from really,

younger than you. So I knew from college. We were friends for years. And I did not realize that he always had a thing for me until probably...

Like two to three years before that scene. Oh, she had history. So we had history. So two to three years before that episode you watched, he came here out to the Hamptons and said, like, I've been in love with you for all these years and wanted to be together. And I had just come out of a rough divorce. And so it seemed like a fairy tale and I wanted to get involved with him. And...

But he was I was close to him regardless. We were on we were off. It wasn't that it wasn't that positive of a relationship. But I loved him and I cared about him. And he died weeks before that season started. So I came into I had to shoot. It was three weeks before the season started. He died. They thought she's never going to come back. And since then, there are rules about having to film and all this stuff that are crazy. But I just said, I'm going to do it anyway, even though I'm getting paid. No matter what happens, I'm coming back and I'm going to film.

So I came up with the cameras and went through grief and all this crazy shit. Which is great for TV, bad for you. Right. It was great for TV, bad for me. And the girl who was the cabaret singer, also out here in the Hamptons, I got a call that she was having a meltdown at her house. Literally five minutes away. Are you guys like sort of friends though?

- You're friends because of the show. It's something that you're now friends because of work. It's an office, inter-office friendship. And it's the same way with everybody. - So you're a little bit friends, but not like, you don't hang out that much. - No, and that's even a- - But if they needed something, you'd be there, but like- - You get into this weird state where you think it's your real life because someone was on the field with you and

you passed the ball, they caught it, and it worked well that day, and now you're bros. So later you're like feeling like you're friends, but you're not really, you weren't friends before, and you might not be friends after, but like on that field, you're friends or enemies. Somebody that fucked the game up and is an asshole ruining the whole team. Like it's just the way that it works, but you don't think about it until later. So you're shooting. It's all you're thinking about. It's all you're talking about. It's concentrated. You're going to trip. You're living it. It's real. Like it's no joke. Oh, no.

know. I think you understand what I'm saying. A lot of people thought that what I did was fake. Like what our group did was fake. The drama, the relationships, everything like you actually get sucked in. No, yeah, exactly. Even if it's not real, it feels real. You're talking about these houses, these high houses. Yeah, the drama and all this. You get it, right? No, it's real. It's that same thing but you just didn't have a reality show about it, right? You're living

Yeah, you guys just had cameras on you all the time. They should have had a reality show. It's ridiculous they didn't. I don't know why someone wouldn't have a reality show. We kind of did like a half-assed one. No, that's ridiculous. I don't know why someone wasn't in on that. Okay. Yes, it's totally real. What's happening is real. Here, if you get into a fight with some guy over a girl in the Sway house or whatever house you were in, it's real. But

But in your real life, you wouldn't be in the fucking Sway House. So it's real what happened in the Sway House. It's real what happens to me in Turks and Caicos when someone literally shit a bed. Like, literally shit. But I'm not in situations where people shit a bed in my normal life. Shit in a bed? Yes. Someone had...

Is this on the show? It is on the show. They put a poop in the bed on the show. I think it was as a result of some sexual encounter in one show and then another time we were in Columbia and someone shit her pants on the floor. You can't make this up. No, you can't. It actually happened. But in my normal life, I'm not experiencing people that are shitting themselves. Yeah, poop bed. Yeah, so yeah. So that, it's real, but it's real in that environment. But, so anyway, that weekend, the weekend that we're referring to in that show when I'm like,

I, and this is getting horrible go in the beginning, but I'm like, I took care of you. I was at her in the habit. This is a hundred percent real. The woman, Barbara, who was like, I want to leave the house. I don't feel like I'm included, you know, in the cabaret girl or is that not the first one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The one that's from the Bronx and she puts the spray tan on? Yeah, exactly. Sprays the bed. Thank you. She was out here. She's been friends with Luann a long time. I got a call and Luann was like FaceTiming people and freaking out. And that weekend she had some housewife from another city over there. And that person was leaking stories to the press. This other housewife was leaking stories to the press and showing the press. Because this is the thing about housewives. There's never been a more desperate group.

Never. Like they now ever, they just a non relevant, a semi relevant housewife is like starving an animal in the woods. Whereas there's a fucking steak somewhere. They're going to find it. You don't understand it. A semi relevant housewife, like a peripherally relevant, like one that wants to be at the top, but is like right on the brink of it. Anywhere. Wasn't making any money is divorced and saw a glimmer of light in their life somewhere. And now somehow just,

is so close to it. You know what the closest way to get to it is? Fucking rat a housewife out to the press. You're at a house, there's a housewife coming undone. There's a housewife drinking, FaceTiming, hurting herself, getting on a boat, driving wasted, almost killing other people, doing drugs, all of it, eating pounds of caviar. Luann was shoveling in caviar at the house. I don't know why someone brought a tin of caviar and she was shoveling it in, wasted in a state

People were calling me. So I don't know why, because I'm always like this. It's why I do relief work. It's why. And it's a problem. I'm not that close to the wind. I'm not that close to her. But for some reason, if I hear something's going wrong with someone, I'm like, I like, I go. Right. And I got, and I went over to her house and I saw how crazy. Was she the one that went to rehab? Yeah.

Yes. So I spent... This was right before we were going to do the reunion, which is like a very crazy experience of hours and hours of reviewing a season. It's tiring. You want to like... It's like the big game. It's a Super Bowl of housewives. You want to rest and hydrate prior and after. All kidding aside. So instead of...

before and after, I did an intervention at Luann's house, like a full-fledged, we're going to get her to a facility. I got Bravo to pay for the facility. I called them. They said, I have the receipts. They said, we're not paying for that. No. And I'm like, really? You have to fucking pay for it. Like, I really got them to pay for it. They agreed.

I also got them to agree to pay her for the reunion because I knew that she'd show up and do something harmful to herself or someone else. I said, you have to agree that you'll pay her for the reunion even if she doesn't go because she's going to go to rehab.

So I got them. Why am I getting involved in that? It's not my fucking business. Yeah, right. You're negotiating. I don't know why, because I have a problem. You've seen me do it for you. You know how I am. So I like getting involved in stuff to help people. So I got Bravo to agree to pay Luann for the housewives reunion when we all have to go there and get our asses beaten. She stayed home and I got them to pay for her to go to rehab.

So then when you see that final scene, she left rehab early. Right. Which is crazy. She left rehab early and was calling all the friends because she got really addicted to all of us helping her and being Team Luann. We had group chats and she was like, can you please return this pillow? Can you please return? And Barbara was the number one.

And that weekend, the reason I say that, I got two lawyers on a Sunday to come to Luann's house to get her to sign that Barbara could have power of attorney because she was making bad decisions with her money and she wanted to buy this crazy six, $7 million house. So we intervened and Barbara and I were at her house. We got two lawyers there. I'm not good friends with Barbara. I like Barbara, but she will confirm everything I've said. Everybody will always confirm because I am a person that everything I ever say, I have receipts and I have other people that saw it.

So the two lawyers came over. That's what led us into. So when she's frolicking to swim in the ocean and looking at her poster and being so selfish with everybody, I fucking popped off. So we'll get there. That's crazy because she seems pretty level like headed on the show. She's like, it's kind of, I don't know, the theme of it is she's selfish.

Right. Because you're seeing a person who went to rehab and is now the expert of rehab. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm coming out. That's what that is. You know what I mean? So this is the pre-show.

This is what happened before. I'm telling you the pre-show. Yeah, so the audience knows that I fucking popped off because... But the audience wasn't here that weekend seeing me at her house. The cameras would have loved to pull up and watch me do an intervention, but I was not. I was living my real life in the Hamptons. Right. It wasn't bad for her. That's what really happened. And the show and the producers know what really happened. So they...

At least, I guess they didn't incorporate that, but I guess we discussed it at the reunion, which we should do rewives reunions too. Anyway, okay, so let's start at the beginning. I just wanted to give some color. No one knows most of that story, I don't think.

Welcome to the CINO Show. I'm your host, CINO McFarlane. I'm an addiction specialist. I'm a coach. I'm a translator. And I'm God's middleman. My job is to crack hearts and let the light in and help everyone shift the narrative. Whether you get down to sex, drugs, alcohol, love addiction, self-hate, codependency, or anything else for that matter.

I want to help you wake up and I want to help you get free. I want to help you unleash your potential, overcome obstacles, and achieve your goals. Most importantly, I don't want you to feel alone. So join me on The Cino Show, where each week we'll feature a compelling individual with an even more noteworthy story that will be sure to inspire and educate. Listen to The Cino Show every Wednesday on iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hello, everyone. I am Lacey Lamar. And I'm Amber Ruffin, a better Lacey Lamar. Boo. Okay, everybody, we have exciting news to share. We're back with season two of the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network. You thought you had fun last season? Well, you were right. And you should tune in today for new fun segments like Sister Court and listening to Lacey's steamy DMs. We've got new and exciting guests like Michael Beach. That's my husband. Daphne Springs.

Daniel Thrasher, Peppermint, Morgan J., and more. You gotta watch us. No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you gotta listen. Like, if you're watching us, you have to tell us. Like, if you're out the window, you have to say, hey, I'm watching you outside of the window. Just, you know what? Listen to the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street. In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Imbo, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime. But the FBI knows there was foul play.

I'm excited to share that you can now get access to all new episodes of There and Gone South Street 100% ad-free and one week early with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeart True Crime Plus, and subscribe today.

Okay, so we're in Miami at this... This is New York though, right? Was it Housewives of New York? Wait. But it was in Miami? No, this is all New York. Oh, it's Real Housewives of... Oh, because the trips are where all the shit happens. So this is Real Housewives of New York, but it's taking place in Miami. Exactly. I was so confused. I'm like... Exactly. All right. Yes, the trips are what production really wants because...

you do a whole season buildup of what's going on and then you put everybody together. Cause like a vacation. So you're like ready to like go out and have fun and rage. But you're trapped. You're vacation in a hamster, hamster habit trail. Like you're, you can't leave. Like you can leave on orchestrated visits. You're like an insane asylum and we get to go out and do activities that are shot. And so it's funny because Ramona, the one, do you know who Ramona is? Ramona is the one who, um,

It was like, you get to go on a date. Why don't I get to go on a date? Who was like. Just describe what she looks like. She had like a fringe dress and she's blonde. And she waited for Luann when we went out to the restaurant. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. So that's Ramona. She's classic. She's iconic. She has like the shorter hair, right? She has the shorter hair. Okay. And she just will elbow anybody out of the fucking way to get a man or get what she would get the room, get the biggest room. Ruthless. That's ruthless Ramona. Yes. Yes.

Ruthless Ramona? Yes, Ruthless Ramona. You just made that up. But the thing about Ramona is she's a woman who, she always brings the drama, but doesn't kill the party. Ooh. Like there's someone who will bring the drama. I feel like it's a great compliment. Right. She'll bring the drama and like everyone will hate her. She stirs the pot. I mean, she'll say something completely wrong. She's the apologizer, but she bounces right back and-

you just she's just she's a good ingredient she's a good she's a great yeah she's that fucking pepper that's in the back of your mouth that's weird yeah I don't even know what to call that I would just say that she stirs the pot she's really she's really good at getting everyone fired up and then backing out

She'll back out. She'll get back. She's a disaster. Yeah, I know. So that's Ramona. So we go on the trips because they want us to be concentrated and they want all the issues to come out and pop to the top. Of course. They want it all to come out. Everything we've been bubbling all season. This is when it all bubbles up, pops off the top. Then you come back and then you do that reunion later and then like rehash it all out and like calm it down so we can do another season next year and do the same thing all over again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now we're in Miami and we're all sitting around because the night before Sonia has smashed a table with her foot.

I like her. She's funny. Why do you like her? She just doesn't give a shit. She just does whatever she wants to do. And I don't know. I think she was like a fun character in Puzzle Piece. Yes. She's just a good time. Sonya's a good time. That's what she is. She's a good time. Yeah, you're right. Okay, that's funny. Yeah. And she's got a sweetness to her though, no? Yeah. She seemed like the least evil. Do you think?

Like, a lot of them are like, okay, they're playing chess and, like, they have intentions to do something to get on top. But, like, I really think she was just there for a good time. That's exactly it. And did you think that her, um, that there was validity in her emotional outburst post-AA meeting? I mean, yeah, she's kind of a mess, but, like, I...

I don't know. I think I understand what she's saying because I'm not a very emotional person. I feel like I can kind of relate with her where it's like she doesn't want to talk about what's wrong with her. She would rather just like subtly fix it without speaking to anyone about it. Like she doesn't want to acknowledge...

she has an issue she doesn't want to speak about it because she's like I feel like I'm my own worst critic and when people tell me I'm doing something wrong that I already know I'm doing wrong I get really insecure about it so I feel like when she went to that I understand what she's saying maybe I can relate with her and that's why I liked her so much but like she didn't want to sit there and speak to people she kind of blamed it on them being like lesser like she feels like oh

they have way bigger problems than me and I feel like an outcast, but really I think she just felt silly to sit there and she was embarrassed. - Interesting. Wow, that was good. - Yeah, that's what I took away from that though. - Interesting, okay. And so Barbara who wanted to leave

She's been the ride or die for Luann. She sort of wouldn't be on the show. She's like the minion. Is that the spray tan one? I want to get these names out. That bothered me so bad. The spray tan? She sprayed it on the bed. It bothered me too. It hurt my feelings inside. I mean, my OCD was going crazy. It was like a white bed frame. She's like, gotta get that Bronx Barbie tan. I'm like, what are you doing? No, it bothers me so much too. Crazy. But by the way, spray tan, and as you know, I am a...

beauty influencer right obviously obviously um

I don't fuck around with spray tan. Yeah, but then you get on your hands and it's on your knuckles and your knuckles are like orange. Oh, you've seen girls with... Of course, like prom. Are you kidding me? Like high school prom in the cheap spray tan. It's like their knuckles are orange. How much of a turn off is that? I mean, it looks like they just fisted a bag of Cheetos. Like it doesn't get any worse than that. And you can't get it off. They're going to prom. They wore prom. It doesn't get... Yeah. Cheeto hands at prom. I thought you used a mitt and you like...

lather it on she's just going like I couldn't believe it I was baffled that was a low point you can't get an even spray with a how do you know that there's no way have you ever spray painted something

There's layers to that shit. Stop! And like, if you can't do layers of spray tan, it wouldn't work on any planet. So how would you spray tan? I mean, there's like mitts. You'd use a mitt. I would want it like, if I were going to do something, I would want to have it where I could lather it on perfectly. Like, I want something I can like... But where do you live in your life? Like...

You're going out that night. How do you touch anything? How do you like sit anywhere? Like what do you, it would dry within like 10 minutes. It does. Does it? I thought it like lives one night. This is a true story. I was in Vegas for this event, this paid event.

And Khloe Kardashian, her fucking spray tan got all over me and the couch. And it got all over my dress. Maybe it needs a cure. Yeah, it was like, control your spray tan. Like, keep your spray tan to yourself. Control your tan. Keep your fucking tan to yourself. 100%. By the way, that was before she was as big as she is now. Imagine how major I'd be if I sold on eBay my dress that Khloe Kardashian tainted with her tan. I mean, yeah. I don't have that. I get rid of everything. Okay, so, all right. So we're talking about...

I told you I didn't come to play. I have like, I analyze. You understand? I analyze. You analyze. So what'd you think of Tinsley? The girl, so the girl, there's a little comment that Dorinda makes, and I don't know if it was in this episode or the next one where Dorinda's talking about all Tinsley's fancy outfits because Tinsley had a very rich boyfriend. She's broken up with him during this episode. But the reason why I'm trying to set her up is because I'm trying to like get her off the former

So she's the one that went on the first date with the guy and she was saying the most ridiculous shit. Yes. She was with a rich guy that she actually met on the show through another castmate. And I'm sort of giving you the fast forward. We think that they're broken up, but there are signs that they might not be because she's still like buying all these really expensive bags and dresses. And we all know what like,

That she don't got it like that. So we're wondering Dorinda's wondering has just popping tags every night And so that's like a sub plot that like that's a subplot going on But I want to you know, you want to keep the person off the guy they were with and like you just want to Entertain them and get them set up. So I wanted to set her up with someone cuz I'm thinking she's really broken up with him I don't realize that

that I think that she might be still with him. Oh, so you thought they were completely split and it turns out maybe she wasn't. Well, we later find out they got back together and we don't think they were split. And the popping tags and the things that she were buying were like sort of a sign that they might still be together. So that's why Dorinda was mentioning her outfit and that she has all these outfits. So I set her up with this guy. What did you think of what she was saying on the first date? She didn't know she was miked.

At the date? Oh, man, you guys did her dirty. We did? I mean, she has brutal game. Sorry, like, I mean, it was nuts. Why? Tell me. She was like, first thing she asked him, I think, was how old he was.

I think he was like 60. Okay. Is that what he said? Right. Is it? Right. And then she was like talking about like she didn't know if she wanted to have kids or more kids. And like just the worst things ever you could say. Like if I met a girl and she started telling me about how she wanted another kid or something, I'd be like gone. Like don't discuss. So what are the things you shouldn't discuss in the first five minutes on a date? She did like sauce him up with like a nice little kiss and stuff though. So I'm sure he was loving it.

She's like an attractive gal. I mean, he's 60. I'm sure he was like, I'll go back. Screw it. It'll be a good time. But it just was not an ideal first date. But what did you think about the fact that she said she was a kissing slut?

What does that mean to you? I love that for her. I feel like our generation judges less. If it was my mom, I mean, and it was like, I'm trying to think if I had a daughter, I would have a meltdown. Like I would hate that. She said she was a kissing slut? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at least she said a kissing slut. So she was like trying to say like, I'm not a slut. I'm just a kissing slut. Right. But doesn't that mean like you saw one mouse and they were really 12 under the floorboards? How many kissing bodies do you have?

Like that's how she is. Like I've kissed 47, but I've only gotten in bed with three. So your generation, no problem. You meet a girl, no problem. Sleep together. First date. Like you're not judging her. It's fine. It doesn't matter. You like her. You're connecting. You're calling her the next day. Or there was a little, there was a little rust.

it really just depends. Like, Percentage. You gotta do some numbers, isn't that? Go ahead. I'll give you, I'll be real. I'll keep it 90 plus 10 over here. You're gonna keep it 90 plus 10. Why is it 80 plus 20? I'm pretty picky for the most part. Like, I'm pretty picky about that. So usually for me, like,

If I hooked up with a girl on the first night, I'd probably see something in her that like would make me believe that there's potential to have a relationship or something. Not always. Hold on. What does hooked up mean? If I hooked up with a girl on the first night, that's sleeping together? Yeah, you like, you sleep with them. So saying I hooked up with her doesn't mean I made out with her. No, no, no. Whenever I say I hooked up, I mean like... We've had sex. It's getting serious. Okay, got it. I didn't know that. Anyways, if I hooked up with a girl, it's because like, yeah, I had sex with her. So...

I would say... I don't know. It depends. Some guys... Don't get me wrong. There's girls I see, you're attracted to them for whatever reason. I don't judge, but if I...

Hooked up with a girl that's like tongue, like I'm just saying like a tongue tattoo or like just some crazy shit. Like in the moment when you're drunk, it was kind of hot. But then like you wake up and they say like, I never even want to think about the fact that I had sex with you. Like, no. So I would say. But it's not a deal breaker at all.

No. No. No, no, no, no. Like I've had girls that I've dated and I like hooked up with them on like maybe the second date or the first. And you've been together? Yeah. Okay. Like it isn't really... It also matters if you're feeling it so strongly then it's unavoidable and it's enjoyable. You're not going to judge something like that. I mean, not only that, but it's like if you get with them, it's like...

Or if you start dating them, it's like, whatever, you're going to wait and do the same thing. It's like, it's going to happen. It's gravity. Okay. Yeah. I get, I get why it doesn't work as much because obviously I'm not marrying those girls. Like I dated them for a while. Why is that obvious? Um, I would say it's obvious for the fact that like, I think if you wait in the, I don't know, it's just a respect thing. Yeah.

That's what I'm trying to say. So the odds of you marrying someone that you sleep with on the first night. Sometimes it just happens. Like you might find a really hot girl and you guys have really good chemistry and you got way too drunk. But that's life. But that's the odds of you marrying that person are slim is what you're saying. I'd say it would lower it, yes. Okay, so what my audience is, you know, my age, women, moms, et cetera, for the most part, what percentage of young women...

are sleeping with men on the first date? I wouldn't say first. First is pretty strong. Okay. Random hookups. I would say most girls by the time she's my age, like 22, 23, has probably had anywhere from like

three to eight or nine hookups a hookup is sex too random like like a first night like we called it a one night stand in my my day i was so proud yeah i would say it leans closer to the three i said eight because like there's something like three but a random an rh i would say most girls by you is is an rhu is a um is a one night stand yeah i mean some girls be like me never i never but i would say like

at least one, but most likely like two or three. Okay. So Tinsley's a kissing slut. She said all the wrong things on the first date. And then she came in and did you see the hypocrisy in the fact that she was slurring, but Luann is now in the holier than thou position. I saw that's when you got really heated. That's what I was like. I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of like playing games on my phone and listening and like kind of watching. And then when that happened, I was like,

Oh. I heard her slur the words. I didn't understand why you were that mad. But now that you told me the story that you helped her. Well, she's now the expert on being sober when she was just in a field and in lingerie having to be captured. You called her out too, which was crazy. Wait, why? I had no idea what you were talking about. I was like, holy shit. Well, what did you think must have happened? Well, when it really got heated is when you mentioned how you were like essentially helping her from not embarrassing her children.

And I was like, damn, that's like mama bear, like fighting words usually. So that was the craziest part of it. Interesting. You thought me saying to her, so your kids wouldn't find out that was the day in the backyard with the lawyers and like the intervention. Oh yeah. If my, if like, I think that to me is like, I didn't even notice that. I'm just thinking like, if,

Someone ever says something about like a mom's kids. That's when I like just that's whenever you're really trying to flip the switch You know, I just flip the switch. Oh you flip the switch really? Yeah, you you've lit the burner. It's on it's on fire Did you believe me? Uh, yeah, I will say she stayed pretty calm and collective you liked it You're like, you're allowed to think I'm the villain by the way. I'm happy to be the no no no I think she was being an asshole. I

But also I'm kind of an emotionless person. Like I'm not very good with emotion. So I understand people like her better. But you were right. You're saying who gives a shit I took a swim in the ocean. You bunch of whiny bitches. Yeah, I'd be like fuck you. Like, you know, whatever. Well, she, listen, we were all in Turks and Caicos one time and she brought home two guys and no one knew who they were. So she put a good front on, by the way.

Yes. This episode was a front for her. Yes. But she's brought guys home to the house and just left them in the house in like another room. And one of the other girls woke up and saw a strange guy. And Luann was like, don't be just be cool. Why can't you be cool? That's a little much. That's a little much. But as a guy, you see like who gives a shit. For a guy, I understand Luann's perspective more because I'm like, whatever, who cares? Right. But.

Yeah, you'd let her have it for sure. I think you won the argument. Do you think life is a cabaret or you don't really know what a cabaret is so you can't make a good son? Life is not a cabaret. I wish it was sometimes. You do? Yeah. From time to time. Like I go through periods, you know? Yeah. You ever had like wild periods? Where you want life to be a cabaret? Yes. And it gets kind of wild and then you're like, whoa. Life is not a cabaret. Life is not. You can make that popular on TikTok, fact.

- Life is not a cabaret. - Because all the stupid stuff that comes on TikTok is throwbacks. Like I'll watch you guys doing dances of shit that was our songs from the roller rink in eighth grade and you guys think you're all so fucking cool. And so like, it's just like so stupid that something like you or some one of these dumb dumbs could end up doing a dance or saying life is not a cabaret. And all these young people like Brynn comes into my house and she's saying life is not a cabaret. Not because of me, not because of the housewives, but because you did some,

my money don't jiggle dance to life is not a cabaret and they all fucking think it's real. That's TikTok to me. That literally is TikTok to me. All the old throwbacks. It is a lot of that. And I think it's going to be a long, long time. That's a song from the fucking 70s that you all made so cool now from Elton John. And you all think you're so cool. Elton John's a beast. He's a beast. So I'm just saying it's like that's an old person's song. It is.

Welcome to the CINO Show. I'm your host, CINO McFarlane. I'm an addiction specialist. I'm a coach. I'm a translator. And I'm God's middleman. My job is to crack hearts and let the light in and help everyone shift the narrative. Whether your get down is sex, drugs, alcohol, love addiction, self-hate, codependency, or anything else for that matter.

I want to help you wake up and I want to help you get free. I want to help you unleash your potential, overcome obstacles, and achieve your goals. Most importantly, I don't want you to feel alone. So join me on The Cino Show, where each week we'll feature a compelling individual with an even more noteworthy story that will be sure to inspire and educate. Listen to The Cino Show every Wednesday on iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hello, everyone. I am Lacey Lamar. And I'm Amber Ruffin, a better Lacey Lamar. Boo. Okay, everybody, we have exciting news to share. We're back with season two of the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network. You thought you had fun last season? Well, you were right. And you should tune in today for new fun segments like Sister Court and listening to Lacey's steamy DMs. We've got new and exciting guests like Michael Beach. That's my husband. Daphne Springs.

Daniel Thrasher, Peppermint, Morgan J., and more. You gotta watch us. No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you gotta listen. Like, if you're watching us, you have to tell us. Like, if you're out the window, you have to say, hey, I'm watching you outside of the window. Just, you know what? Listen to the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey guys, I'm Andrea Gunning, host of There and Gone South Street. In this series, we follow the case of Richard Patron and Danielle Imbo, two people who went missing in Philadelphia nearly two decades ago and have never been found. Unlike most cases, there is not a single piece of physical evidence connected to this crime. But the FBI knows there was foul play.

I'm excited to share that you can now get access to all new episodes of There and Gone South Street 100% ad-free and one week early with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeart True Crime Plus, and subscribe today. What's interesting, though, and not... It's a weird thing. To be successful on television, in reality television, um...

you got you got to go with a fish arm where the action is you know what i mean i came on that trip i was known there's a comment at the end where i said well i'm always the last to come and the first to leave because because of my daughter when i went back to housewives and no one knows this i had a very special deal i said i'm only coming back they came back and they threw money at me and i said i'm only coming back but i need these parameters and it's not because i'll give a thousand percent when i'm there i don't want to work less than anyone else but i have my daughter and back then my custody situation was

very stringent, my kids, my life.

So I had to have the schedule be like, if they decide for the whole cast when the trip is, I'm not going to change that because of my custody schedule. But there would be a situation where they'd have to do it on these days. I'd be like, guys, I've got to fucking come a day late and leave a day early. And the producers would freak out and I would just have to do it that way. But when I came, I would come correct. Not missing a goddamn scene, threading everything together, going into every room, connecting everybody. Like there's a lot that goes on underneath that no one sees where I am.

was just always making sure that story was moving forward. So while it's all 1,000% real, I'm still aware that me laying around talking about a sample sale in the meatpacking district is not going to move the number. The audience has what they want to talk about, hear about, understand. So you got to fucking move the traffic. So I was really...

good at that and that's why you see a lot of the scenes and times that I'm in like things pop off because the producers would say we cut out the whole first day we use nothing from that day and the day you left we didn't include any of it because that's just I'm a meat kind of person and I'm like foreplay I don't need after a cigarette I need what are we doing let's fucking get it now so that's just how I am so

The trips are when it's really, that was a five day trip. I was only there three days. But like you see, I get there and we're talking about Sonia and what's her situation and her drinking and what happened with Luann and what's happening with Barbara. Like if you think about it. There's a lot. And you see that I'm like,

In a lot of it. Navigating at Tinsley. That's what I was saying. You're a therapist. I asked if they paid you extra to be a therapist. I mean, I'm not joking. It was crazy. And sometimes I'm tempted. I'm never really tempted to go back because of the rinse. But sometimes you want to just get on the field and be like, come on, guys. What the fuck? Because the show is really different now. So what I was getting at is when you're there, though, you're like on this adrenaline and you're almost like alcohol thirsty. Your body's moving in a different way and you just like...

want a drink because you're excited. It's sort of like pregame. You're excited. You're not, it's never fake for me. They feed you too. It's like, I understand like they are setting you up to say something and do something on camera. Like that's what they want. Well, they would love that. Right. But whenever they say that they're pushing people to drink on The Bachelor or The Housewives or anything, they have alcohol there. They don't need to push you. You just, it's the environment. You're pregame.

You're in your bedroom with your girlfriend. It's like getting ready. And you're just like, give me a drink. It's cute. We have a solo cup. Like you just feel different. It's like, you feel different when you're watching the Superbowl than when you do just sitting around in your backyard doing nothing. Like it's the vibe. So,

So when you're shooting the house, it's just, "Sure, give me a drink. I'll have a drink. Do you want a drink? We'll have a drink. Let's all have a drink. -Right. -Give me a drink. I'll have another drink. Then one is three and then three is five. Yeah, you're getting attention. You want it. But then when you combine that with the cameras and then like you say one thing that like out of the corner of your eyelash you think might have been like a skew that you shouldn't have said, you're in your fucking head. And then you're like, if you're like Ramona, you don't care. You've literally demolished a whole race with one comment.

And you get the next drink and you forget you just said it. And I, if I said one thing that like I felt bad about or I said wrong in my mind, I'd be like, whoa, dude, I'd think about it for two months. But alcohol just like adds to that whole crazy soup of shit you'll say and stuff that will pop off. And it's just, it's concentrated. So,

you're talking to people about their drinking, which intellectually, you know, could be way worse because of doing the show. Like, I don't think, like Sonia, and you know what I'm saying? That's, yeah, that's hard. It's like a, it's like a cycle. It's like,

Finding yourself and then losing yourself and then trying to find it again. I've never thought of that. I've never heard about it. I think you're spot on because in your 20s, that's when people... You want to tell other people, God, you're fucking doing the wrong thing. What are you doing? You're watching people make stupid... Which you're a little bit different, by the way, because you have a unique career and everything. No, but you and your friends, you're watching people who have the world...

on a platter and you're watching them fuck it up and do stupid things. And I'm saying, yes, that can happen at all ages. But when you have women that no longer have the same responsibility, no longer have the same hotness, there's a desperation that comes in, no longer have the same opportunity. I'm going to go meet a guy in my 20s. I'm pretty, whatever. I live in New York City.

There's a desperation that happens. And I feel like when you when people are younger, you watch young kids drink too much, do stupid things, not thinking. I was just thinking about the other day. I said this with one of my buddies. I'm like, even when we were in college, all of your friends are in one spot. Like, you know, like I can't even go back anymore and see a lot of my friends from college because it's like one's over here, one's over there, one's here. And like.

You know, you kind of take it for granted. And I think whenever you're older, you realize that. So then you even have that on top of it, too, because like I took it for granted. I can't go back. I don't look as good. And, you know, a lot of the guys that are my age now have families and kids. You can't just go on Tinder and swipe and find a bunch of attractive, successful single guys.

you know, men that are your age. So it just makes everything so much crazier. That's interesting. Age. There's a lot here about age. I think it hits girls harder too than guys. What, getting older and being irrelevant? Yeah, just like, just feeling kind of like old and washed up and bored. Well, I'll tell you what's interesting about the housewives. One day you and I will talk about like all the scandals and all the arrests. There have been, there's two topics. One, no, I know you don't know about any of this, but one, um,

Many of the housewives used to be blank. Like Camille Grammer was married to Kelsey Grammer, the guy who made all that money from Friends. I know that name. Okay, Fraser. So it was a big show, like as big as Friends or ER. Massive, really rich, like all this like Seinfeld type money. So she was married to him. Then he got with another younger woman. Now she's a housewife. Luann, the woman who was on the Cabaret poster, she was married to a count.

She had a royal title because her husband was part of the family that gave the Statue of Liberty for the French. Like, real shit. So that's his family. She was married to him. She used to be a countess. She kept the title, but she used to be married to a count. Sonia, the one you like that reminds you of yourself, she used to be married to a member of the J.P. Morgan family.

So she talks about the Morgan letters and going to the Morgan. She used to be there. So there's a lot of. Is this like public? Like people know this? Yes. Yes. Yes. So one of the girls on Beverly Hills right now, her name is Erica Jane. She's in the news every day for this whole crazy scandal. But she was married to a guy who was a big, famous, rich lawyer. It all got just kind of taken down because it's all a scam. But like she was the wife of this big, major lawyer. It's a it's a big thing. It's a.

thread throughout all of the house sweats. People that either used to be something or used to be married to something. So that was their peak. Now they got their second chance at a peak because now they're famous on their own. So you're like the only one that didn't have that?

Not the only one. Denise Richards was a Bond girl and she was married to Charlie Sheen and she, you know, she's beautiful and was in all these amazing movies. And then now she's a housewife. That's not quite the same. So yeah, many of them, it's like Dancing with the Stars where they were really famous or

at the peak of something right and then later they come it's like a dynamic to the story that makes it interesting it's interesting i know i was i like lisa rinna is on beverly hills she was an actor she was married to harry hamlin this like really oh she is married to harry hamlin he used to be like a big-time actor and she you know she now has had a revival of her career because beverly hills is a little more um elevated and less it's tragic in a different way

But many of these people had a lot of relevance in a different way. And now this revived that for them. So they like were married. They got to, Dorinda's a girl. She was married to a wealthy guy. He knew the Clintons. He worked in politics. Then, you know, he passed away and you're sort of just like living your life. Your, your kids are older, like you said. And like, now what am I doing? Well, the housewives comes along and loves that. Oh yeah. It's like, loves that. Because they, they give all of it and they still have that like desperation. And yeah,

they get newfound fame again.

So they get to be famous. Even more, they weren't famous. And it's personal fame. It's personal fame. It's not fame adjacent. So, but then people want on this show so badly that there's other side shit. So that's one bucket I just told you about. I used to be. Then there's this thing. So I wasn't that. I was just a broke girl trying to be something. On the other side, I wasn't this either. For some, I was always saying how broke I was. And I was in my Ikea apartment. I was honest about it. There's this thing where...

because the audience seems to want to look at Rich or because Bravo wants to show Rich,

There's a lot of all show and no go. So there are people who go on and they just can't help it. They have to show a Ferrari. They can't help it. They haven't seen all these cautionary tales I'm going to tell you about. But they have to drive a Ferrari. And in many cases, it's rented or leased or some bullshit. Right. So in one scene of Jersey Housewives in the beginning, the woman is paying. She's with this guy. They're like Italian Jersey. And she's a big character. And they're paying in all cash. She's doing my house and she's paying in all cash for all this furniture, like $100,000.

stacked to pay for all this furniture in Jersey for this new house she's doing. Cut to her husband gets caught for tax evasion. She signed all the paperwork. She didn't know. They both go to jail. Another story. Salazis. This is Washington, D.C. What is going on? Real Housewives of D.C. They, all over the news, they were on the Real Housewives of D.C., all over the news, broke into the fucking White House for a White House dinner. They crashed, like,

Like wedding crashers, but at the White House. They arrested. That's the worst idea ever. Arrested. Luann in Palm Beach doing whatever in a hotel room. Ends up in the wrong room doing crazy shit.

verbally abuses a police officer. She gets arrested. Okay. Just recently, a girl, Jen Shaw, I don't know who she is and I've never watched the show, but she's in Salt Lake City. I guess she was doing like illegal Ponzi schemes over the phone, like getting money from people. I didn't see this, so I can't speak directly on it. She just got arrested. Erica Jane, the one I just told you, married to this guy. He was involved in this very famous case that the movie Erin Brockovich was, was, um,

Based on and she was living this life and she's on the show saying I spent 50,000 a month on my glam It's expensive to be me. She has a song. She's got money bows in her hair. She's hot. She's all rich She's got stylish. She's flying fucking hair makeup to Dubai. She's the richest bitch. They all are trying to be like her She's wearing latex etc. Boom her husband gets caught. So I'm saying that

There's a thread on this show where there's all these criminals and all these people that must show how rich they are. And then they end up getting arrested. It's fucking crazy and it's rampant. And I haven't even told you all of it. Told you maybe half. That's the show I was in. That's the franchise I was in. That's where 13 Seasons comes from. That's what we're re-watching. So, got it? Yeah, first episode I feel like was a good start. It was a solid one.

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