"Who Gonna Check Me, Boo?" with Suze Orman
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Today we're going to Atlanta for one of my favorite housewives ever, Sharae's defining moments. In this housewives episode, Sharae throws herself an independence party, obviously, to celebrate her divorce and gets into an absurdly ridiculous fight with her party planner. This is the Who Gon' Check Me Boo episode.

Get with Pookie and them. Sheree is at her finest best in this episode. This episode uncovers crazy spending, business flops, and struggles for financial independence. So there is no better person to join me on today's episode than money expert Susie Orman. This is a ride, an adventure, and a lesson in finances.

This is a Housewives episode you don't have to feel guilty about talking about. You'll enjoy yourself and get amazing financial takeaway advice.

You watch the Housewives overall. Are you aware of who anybody is or you, this is just the very first episode I watched was this one. So do you have any idea who I am as a person? I know all about you, your charity, your TV show. I know everything about you. I watch you when you're on Shark Tank, but about you as the

The housewife, I don't know. I know your successes and what you're proud of. Good. Not that you're not proud of that. No.

And your work that you did with you. Those are the stuff that I love about you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I love that. I appreciate that. So it doesn't matter that you've never watched The Housewives because I hadn't seen these Atlanta episodes, which are vintage for a long time. And I've recently been watching New York episodes around the same time. And it's weird because the Atlanta episodes don't...

I don't know if it's the, it's the production of them. They seem more dated than the New York ones. And I don't know why, but they seem like you really can see the difference in obviously the technology that's no one's fault. I just think that the show seems so dated and when I watch it and it's, it's really surprising. I mean, what did you think about just the way that the show overall looks like the technology?

the tech, the lack of hair and makeup, like that sort of thing. Because the shows now have a glimmer that is very different than what this was. Well, given that this was the very first housewife of any rendition that I ever saw,

And it actually got me curious wanting to watch what happened to these women, because it was like, I cared about them. I'm like, no, this is just stupid. You are making the worst financial moves I've ever seen. Like, and cause you always want to root for somebody. You want them to be okay. You don't want them just to be dumb or appear that you want to say, no, if you do this,

then you can be more, you can really have more and not hide behind all this stupid glamor that they think it's glamor. Well, by the way, that's the entire housewives. You should literally be a housewives consultant because when I explained to you that I know the money that the people actually have,

And they roll way deeper than I do. For those of you listening, we're talking about the Who Gone Check Me Boo episode with Sharae. I'm talking to Susie Orman, has never, ever watched The Housewives. This particular franchise, uh,

section meaning atlanta is was is the highest rated has always been maybe beverly hills has eclipsed them but they've always been very high rated and they roll very deep in the bentley's and the rolls royces and the houses which suzy are more in the suburbs are not in atlanta proper so they are not expensive meaning there's an 18 000 square foot house there that could be one point something million dollars where in new york city you could have a 2 000 square foot apartment be 10 million dollars

So that's a lot of the all show and no go of the way the show looks. But we're getting into Sharae. So when Susie says she was a little bit of a mess, we're talking about Sharae moving into her new house and the state of her divorce, the foreclosure, the custody. Let's hear what you have to say about all that, Susie.

Oh my God, where do I start? So the first thing when you're introduced to Sheree, she says this thing that people are intimidated by my success. That's like her tagline when you're being introduced to all the women. And I'm sitting there thinking,

What success? Right. What are you talking about? Are people intimidated by your success or are you, Sheree, intimidated by your lack of success? Oh, Susie, you have no idea. You're walking into something that's also current now over a decade later because right now, Sheree, I guess, has a lot in a club.

clothing, but they found out that it's actually stuff that she buys from Sheen, some Asian company, or it looks exactly like it. She puts her own label on. So it's still going on 10 years later about this fashion line that never sort of showed up and it's still going on right now. So you're talking about something 10 years ago. That's current now. So go ahead. Well, the thing is, and the reason it's going to stay current is

is because they think money is what shows independence. Money does this. And you know, and I know that money is not the bottom line of what makes somebody successful. No, but you're not even talking about money. It's even worse, Susie, because it's not money. It's a car isn't money. A car could be leased and you don't own it and it's just show. So it's not money. I would never say somebody's intimidated by my success.

Right. You probably wouldn't drive a $500 Rolls-Royce SUV either. No, because I still have a car that's 11 years old. But you have money. So I'm just correcting you because you said money. Yeah, because I'd rather have money.

So you mean the material banks? But I'd rather have money invested and in the bank and growing for me than in a depreciated asset. I have no desire to impress the person next to me at a stop sign that I don't even know. Right, but I'm Bravo. I have no desire to do that.

on Bravo. This is the land where Jersey housewives, Teresa paid for all her furniture over a hundred thousand dollars in cash in the beginning. And then she and her husband went to jail for tax evasion a couple of years later. So you're walking into a situation where, um,

I was cast on the show in a studio apartment furnished by Ikea only because of my personality. I would never be cast now because they will only cast people that seem to have an aspirational, wealthy lifestyle. So it's a circular reference and people have to keep showing. And a lot of times it's all show, no go. Foreclosures, bankruptcies, you know,

law cases where it's fraudulent. So this is where you're walking in. So now you have Sheree. All right. So I'm walking in. That's the first thing I noticed. Then the next thing she says, I, all I want out of this divorce is seven figures. And I'm sitting there thinking seven figures isn't going to get you anything. Like, why is that the only thing? Number one that you want is seven figures. Right. And why is it that what I would want out of a divorce is

Not that I know about that, right? Because I'm happily married. But what I would want out of a divorce is my own independence, my own knowing that I can do anything on my own, that somebody else doesn't need to hold me up. Money doesn't need to hold me up. I can hold up the entire world. That's what I would want out of a divorce. But all Sheree wants is seven figures. And what's so sad in the end

I don't know if she ever got it or not, but this Bob person who she was married to, he doesn't have a pot to pee in. Right. So you can't just wish a wizard unicorn is going to bring seven figures in. And you're right in the sense, like it's a Tina Turner thing. She wanted her name. She wanted her independence. But even in the land of intelligence, Sheree would want...

to be free of debt, to be free of this man. He could pull her down too. They're still married. When you are married and getting divorced, you are liable for part of whatever the hell they've got going on. So you might just want Tina Turner style, your goddamn name, and to have a clean slate. We can't wish for unicorns to jump through the window if they're not coming with this guy who has no money and is a deadbeat. Yeah. So it was obvious that he had no money because

Who allows a house to go into foreclosure with their own credit and who is 19 months behind on their child support. So what that says right there is that Sheree can act like she's a businesswoman. She can act like she knows about money.

But how do you act and pretend when you don't even know that nobody is making the payments on your home? Fact. Right. Right.

That's so true. How are you a business person if your house goes into foreclosure? You can't support. Then you're literally setting women back 150 years saying that the man sees all the bills. It's everything you talk about in your podcast. You have to know your own shit. You're saying she's the definition of a person who just like blindly listened to a man about what was going on with the numbers. Teresa blindly listened to a man and went to jail for it. Like, you know, we have to either we can't play stupid and smart at the same time is what you're saying.

Yeah. So it's, it's, that was sad to me, right? Because the court ordered that he was to pay the mortgage, but how many men in the world and how could she not know that? Okay. She not have real life friends that obviously the partner had screwed them and they lost their home and they lost things. And at this age, real life would have said to her, the court ordered it.

but I better check up on it. Right. She never once opened up nothing. Right. And how do you go 19 months and not get money that you're owed and just go, oh, it's okay. You're right. And that would be helping women-

That would be being on the show and actually helping women instead of talking about all the money you're going to get and pretending you're savvy and being vulnerable and telling the truth about your flaws. Then you might be able to teach someone something because not everyone knows that, but at least you would know what you don't know. And then the audience, that's a good one. Okay. Moving along to Kim.

Who had, she's now married, has multiple kids, which the psychic predicted she'd have more kids. But she was in a relationship for all these beginning episodes with a guy called Big Papa who was having an affair. Yeah, with millions of dollars who would do anything for her. And what he did for her is he left her. Yeah. Right. He left her. And, but I think they might've shared some real estate together. I don't know. She's another one who likes to show this stuff in the suburbs of Atlanta.

So did you notice how many cars she had? She drove in that one episode. No, tell me. She had her big Bentley convertible that she drove. And then she had when she drove up to a party, she had a big white SUV. Like a Range Rover. I think it was a Range Rover. Yeah. Right. And so here's one woman already with two cars that total over $400,000 between the two of them. Right. Right.

So the illusion of wealth there is,

is nothing more than illusion. She can't even, she says she wants to open up a wig business, but she doesn't need all the patience to sit through one class that maybe she could learn about how do you open? How do you do that? How do you, what do you do? Right. So she was a loser from the second I saw her. So we're seeing, you're seeing a theme here of like, it's more important to

To show other people that you have. I think it's a big problem with unhappiness in the country. It's more important to show other people how great your life is than for you to focus on your life actually being great. That's a big thing. And that's a big thing in the housewives. It is all show and no go in many cases. It all comes crumbling down for many people. And even the decision, and I'm sorry, I don't remember her name, the woman who was married to the football player, Oakland Raiders, and he got dismissed. He was let go.

And so here he is, he doesn't have a job. They have one kid and now they're talking about having two. When he doesn't have income, it's like, who knows what's gonna happen to him? You could tell she doesn't really want to

in this one episode. Well, I'm not sure my hands are full with the kid we already have, but yet she's already being submissive and really giving up her power. I have to tell you, Bethany, this episode was a lot about financial abuse.

And how the women allowed themselves to be in a situation where they were and maybe still are being financially abused. Obviously, Sheree was abused by Bob. Don't tell me that the only time that she saw that he was irresponsible with money was after they got divorced.

And the idea of a rich man having their side piece that can't mention who the rich man is and he's supporting her and giving her, that's financially abusive too, is what you're saying. That's like toxic. Right. And so you can see that kind of through the whole thing. Fascinating. That financial abuse is present. And what's fascinating about Sheree is with this stupid independence party that she wants to show everybody.

She gets involved with another abusive man, Anthony. Your take is epic because no one's ever said this before. And it's so obvious and it's so perfect for you to be commenting, not only on this episode, but on this whole franchise and this concept in this country about showing how much we have and not even, and doing so much talking and showing without being educated at all. I mean, the other day I called my business manager and I said,

Because I know I've been making a decent amount of money on certain things, but I also know I've been spending a decent amount of money on certain things. And I also know I'm not great at knowing every single detail. So I know what I don't know. And I will ask other people around me if there's something that I don't know and crowdsource, then make my own decision. But I called him up and I said, I know you represent a lot of different clients. And based on where I am,

how am I spending? Because I remember when I first sold my business, asking a business manager if I could go buy a full price Louboutin bag for $1,700 in Dallas. He's like, you just sold your company. Yes, you can buy the bag, but I'm frugal in that way. So he said, well, I have people that make a lot of money that are very cheap and spend nothing. And then I know people that go crazy and spend way over their skis and you're right in the middle. I said, that's

fine. As long as you know your own temperature of what you want to be doing. Like I know what I have and I know what's with a nest egg is. And, and then I know that he's saying I'm in the middle. I'm not, I'm not getting an A, but I'm not getting an F. I'm getting a C in spending versus what you make. And I, at this one time in my life may be okay with that, but you have to know the temperature I think is what you're saying. No one even knows what the hell is going on behind the scenes. It's not only the temperature of money. It's the temperature of who you are.

and why you are making the decisions you're making. You know, on the Women in Money podcast, I focus more on

the emotional side of money than money itself. By the way, that's what I call money noise, the relationship to money. That's what I'm talking about. The relationship you have with money, money noise. Yes, but the relationship you have with money is identical to the relationship you have with yourself because money can't do anything without you. So if you don't value who you are, you will see money come in, go out, and it will never stay.

That's why I have this saying that self-worth equals net worth. Once you start making money and you have money, if you don't have self-worth at that point,

You will define yourself by the money you're making versus you defining your money. I understand. You're saying it's the dog, the tail wagging the dog. You need to be driving the program. You need to be in the driver's seat and the money is the passenger. I like it. Okay. So I like it a lot. So Sheree, in keeping with this theme, and by the way, this particular episode focuses on Sheree a lot. Another one might focus on someone else. So we're talking a lot about Sheree, who I do happen to enjoy as a television character.

So she's doing this part and she believes her own myth and it's always bigger than the top. And she built this house that never got built called Chateau Charest, or maybe it eventually got built, but it took years. And there's always this outlandish stuff. So queen of the night, she's going to do a queen of the night party and arrive by helicopter and be carried in by male models. So, so, so what, what do you think? Here's the big reveal there.

She goes to this designer party planner by the name of Anthony. Right. And Anthony, like any buddy who wants a client, schmoozes her, brings her in, gets her to sign up with him and another woman. And they're on TV. And the company's on TV at this time. Meaning the company is going to look good on TV, wants to look good on TV. Got it. Right.

Right. Then it turns out what Anthony wants to do is not what Sheree wants to do. And they get into this huge fight. What that represents is Sheree went from one abusive relationship with Bob.

in the desire to throw an independence party and it led her directly to another abusive relationship with Anthony, who wanted to control everything. And she totally, once again, the mistake she made with Bob, repeated with Anthony.

And now he's screaming at her. They have to take him away. I don't know if she ever got her party or not. But the mere fact that that happened should show everybody watching how truly powerless Sharae is because she needs to ask her hairdresser while she's getting her hair done. What should I do? And it's the hairdresser that says, you have to call him up, girl, and show him that your boss.

You have to show him that you're running the party. She needed her hairdresser to encourage her to do that. Yeah. What kind of dying? You're amazing. You're amazing at this. You're right. You're saying she's saying she's a successful business woman. She's in charge. And now she's got her hairdresser telling her what to do with her abusive event planner. Do you think that event planner was entirely wrong? And how would you handle it if you were charrette? First of all,

I would have wanted to know what it was going to cost. They never once talked about what this party was going to cost. I still don't understand where her money came to buy the house or move into the house that she moved into.

And she's there in boxes and the kids are moving everything. She didn't have professional movers do that, number one. Right. Or she wouldn't have been moving. But I want to just skip back for one thing. She said something that was key to everything in this one scene when she was in her house. She didn't want her children to know what was going on. And what's interesting about that, she didn't want to tell them that they didn't really have money and that she didn't want them to know.

For everybody watching this and watching a program like that, if you think your kids do not already know, I have a bridge to sell you. Your kids know exactly every time you fought with your husband. They know everything that's going on and you're allowing them and teaching them rather than teaching them strength and independence, you are teaching them lies.

You are teaching them how to not stand in their truth. You, Sheree, are doing more damage to those kids by pretending to be something you're not.

versus being honest with them and showing what you can all be as a family. That's so true. There's a way to do it. They were old enough, but there's a time when my daughter realized things were going on in my life. And there was a time and a way to discuss it. And I see so many parents

nothing in front of the kids and nothing in front of the kids. Like that's not necessarily great parenting. You know, if you at least know what's going on, you can deal with it and you can have a team to work on it. It's so funny because with custody things and with divorce things, there's a way to speak to young children, but obviously,

I had to discuss certain things with my daughter in a very realistic manner. And it was helpful. It was more evolved because they're watching part of a picture and they're confused because they only have a couple of the puzzle pieces. So they're making up their own stories in their mind and they're expressing themselves in different ways at school. And I think that that's really astute of you to say that and notice that. I like that. That's very interesting. Only you could make this an intelligent episode. So really only you could.

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So do you, have you heard of NeNe in the world besides this episode? NeNe Leakes, she's a character. She was sort of the breakout character of this show. She's not in this episode that much. And this is earlier on in the year. Is she the one who's the singer? She's, no, that's, oh, that's Candy. NeNe is.

is the one who she's making i like candy a lot well candy's a smart but yes we're gonna get into candy but nini was making like the sexual references with the fifteen thousand thousand dollars on the curtains and the champagne bottle and and dwight comes over is she the one that where she had the designer come over and they opened a champagne yes that was nini with the stylist

Right. And saying that you spent $15,000 on drapes and now they need to be longer. Yes. That girl needs some style. That girl needs some class. Yes. Because that ain't class.

No, but over the course of years, I don't know if she got class by your definition, but she became more into fashion and style and she changed her look a lot over the years. Some of the housewives get excited that they're very successful and they call themselves rich. But Nene was the first one to start with, like, I'm rich bitch on this show. And it's again, you know, it's about how much money you actually have. I don't see any wealth there with her. And it's even to notice that

that curtain should be 15 inches longer or whatever. It's like all I got from her in the very brief, because I paid more attention to Sheree. Yeah, you're on Sheree today. Yeah. Was that really? It just, there wasn't, there was no there, there. And when I say class, what I mean is, again, it's not how your place is decorated. It's not even what you decorate your place with.

It's how you make people feel when they're in your place. So you can have a little...

So she was like, and just so caught up in everything. She kind of bored me. So I just fast forwarded through her. Okay, fine. So back to Sharae's meeting though, when she said, who go and check me boo. And do you ever get lit and you want to like go? I mean, because I do sometimes once in a while, somebody needs to get slapped. So in that case, I don't, I mean, you said he had to be taken out. I think she, did she not win that round? Did she, who won that round of that fight with him? I think she went.

All in. I have to tell you, I think she lost the round. You do. And let me hear why. Because I thought who gone check me, boo, is a great line. Yeah. So those are a great line. Make great television. Yes. But let's now say nobody's watching it. And it's just the two of them. And nobody ever sees that. Okay. Let's do it. All right. Now, here she is paying good money to have her dream in four or five days come true.

And she hasn't talked to the poet, has no idea if that's going to happen or not. She's not going to get a helicopter. Right. And what she really wanted by giving this party more than all the flamboyance, believe it or not, is she wanted to feel that she could do something and she was in control. Yes. Because she has been out of control her whole life until this one party. Yes. And even though she kept saying

saying that this party is for everybody else to see that you can survive after divorce and you can do all of these things. This party was for her. Right. To show her that she could actually pull something off that she was proud of. That makes me

You don't even know how the foreshadowing is though, because it happens again later where she has a fashion show and there are no fashions. It's called She by Sheree, but she doesn't have the She by Sheree fashion. So it's funny that Sheree is an interesting character because you are presenting something that seems to become a theme for her in like,

She wants to show that she can. Sonia Sonia on New York has moments like this, too. She wants to show everybody that she can do it. And we're all waiting. And you are saying that it's not going that great. So sorry. Back to the meeting with them. But Bethany, who she really wants to show is herself. Yes. Because when all the cameras are off and everything and she's just by herself, she's broke. She's living the lie to her kids.

She's so angry at her ex-spouse because he had no money, didn't live up to it. She had to move.

She doesn't know how she's going to pay bills and except for the fact that she gets a paycheck from housewives. Right. Other than that, it's like, how is she going to do anything? And if ever she's not on housewives, she's screwed. Well, by the way, by the way, let me tell you about a circular reference. That's a big thing that happens with housewives. So people get, and it happened with Alex and Simon, people get cast.

And the first season I made $7,250 for the whole season, but it was something I took out in the contract. That's the reason for my great success because I knew what to cross out and get paid 7,250. But what...

happens is people, this is it. They're going to be famous. And so they are going to spend and the show is going to catch up with it. And they're going to have these storylines and these businesses because they need to have something to show the show to stay on so the salary can keep up. And you see this vicious cycle and it's not that easy for people. Like, you know, Teresa goes through this whole thing going away to jail and stuff. And now she has a wealthy or a man who seems to be wealthy as a husband. But

she stayed on that show to hustle for her kids because she went to jail and lost all this income and her ex-husband was a dud divorce. So it happens a lot of people that Erica Jane, the richest house, she looks so rich. Her husband's a big lawyer. All that gets in all that trouble. She's got to stay on the show now to keep the music going. So it becomes this vicious cycle, particularly with Housewives. I get on, I don't

really have a lot of money. I have to show that I have money, but then I'm spending too much money to show that I have money. So the show has to pay me to keep up with the money that I'm sure. Do you see? It's like, it's like getting into debt. It's housewives debt. It's housewives debt. So going back to who won the argument, she lost the mission of the party.

Right. She failed dramatically there. And it doesn't matter how tough you talk. And do you win in a fight? And, you know, lash out with each other. I mean, one of the strongest things she's could have done is got up, walked out, canceled the party and say, screw you. Sue me for the check.

Nice. Right. That's power. Yeah, that's power. And sending out a notice to everybody that Anthony is the worst planning, you know, party planner. Right.

He screwed this up. You write him, but don't ever use him because I'm out of here. Right. That's you're right. Just saying that what you just said is powerful. It's so true. Do you believe in psychics? Because Kim goes to the psychic and I want to know if you believe in psychics or do you think it's a waste of money? Totally. I believe in psychics. I believe in astrologers. I believe in all of that. I love that. And by the way, that guy, I,

correct i that that woman predicted her and she did have she did have more children and she did have it in the what she says she will have a boy yeah she does the audience at that time doesn't know that but now in real life we're watching years later that that that psychic rose told her her future she left big papa she married her but did she because rose told her that

somehow planned for that to happen. Not that it would be a boy, but it might be a child. So she was looking to have that happen. Yes. Because she had so many kids. She was going to have a boy. She had four more kids since then or something. Right. So it was like, was that whatever or not? But I don't think it hurts at all to have a belief in somebody that has proven to you that they're a great psychic.

They're a great astrologer. You know, not everyone is. Not everyone is a great money person. So you have to know, are they great at what they do? And if they are, I use all the help I can get in predicting the markets and whatever. You know, it was about it was before it was December of 2019.

And I have been seeing astrologers and things like that. And all the stars came up that in February of 2020, something was going to happen that would change this world forever. And I started to talk about it on the Women in Money podcast.

And I started to warn everybody, I don't know what's going to happen. I just have this feeling. Be careful for February of 2020, which is when the pandemic hit. And the markets went all the way down 30%. Again, using all my resources that I do. And when oil was down $30 a barrel, you had to pay people to take oil away. It was like, get into oil. Now's the time.

And I go on the podcast and I say, this may be the stupidest thing I've ever said. I want all of you to buy this specific exchange traded fund. That's all energy and oil went from 22 up to almost 90. That's insane. Everybody get back in the market. Do not sell here. This is a blip, right? Just stay. And everybody made a whole lot of money.

So I use everything I can from technical to you name it. I take all the tools and I put them together to tell the millions of people what I think they should do. That's unbelievable. But believable.

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So Candy, you like Candy's talking about doing a version of the vagina monologues and updated version. She's talking with Lisa who later gets let go from the show. Just so you know, Candy's been on and still is on now. And she's a successful musician who is frugal. And I think she mentions that she doesn't need to show all the bells and whistles. She has nice things, but she's probably more, you know, in my philosophy where she buys, but she knows she's good. So you liked Candy. Why did you like her? Because

Because there were certain things that she said, which was she was going to, she wanted to do it herself. She wanted to do this album herself. She knew she had talent. She knew she made other people that she wrote music for a lot of money. So she knew she was the real deal. And there was something about her look that I liked her look.

I liked that simple haircut. I liked the even though it was fashionable, I liked her clothes. I liked that she was going to go for it. But because she was going to go for it, not because some beau or Bob or whatever big daddy was going to support her, whether that ended up happening or not.

I liked her sense of independence and her sense of self-worth. And so even though she was in a relationship and was talking about moving in with her daughter, you felt like she had a strong sense of, you feel like she has a strong sense of self. She was the one who had one daughter and was going to possibly marry somebody with six kids. Was that right? Is that who that is? Right. And her mother did not like that. Her

Right. Her mother's tough and has judged a lot of people she's been with, including the man she married. And that woman, the man that she was engaged to gets killed. Like, you can't believe this is real. Yes. He gets killed, I think, in a parking lot. So she lost her fiance.

And so then does she have to mother all six kids? No, she just has, she has her daughter and she ends up in a relationship with someone that she meets who's a producer on the show. And then he becomes talent on the show because now he's with her. Like sometimes the truth is weirder than the fiction. I mean, this stuff that I'm talking to you about it, watching back is crazy to watch Candy telling her daughter about this man that they're going to blend with and that that man is, is,

But her daughter didn't want to blend. The other thing I liked about Candy was the relationship, at least on this one episode she had with her daughter, talking not to her daughter, so to speak, but to have an equal relationship. And her daughter felt the ability to be honest with her mother that she did not like this. She was not happy about it. Right. So why that made me like Candy is that

That says to me, that's a mother who raised a daughter. And she was so fascinating when she said, my mother was a single mother. My grandmother was a single mother. My dad. And now I was a single mother. Right. Isn't I think that was her who said that. Yeah. And she raised her daughter.

And you could tell her daughter was strong. Yes. And where did her daughter get that strength from? She got that strength from her mother at that age. Yes. And that made me like her. I didn't like, however, when her daughter was more interested in possibly watching TV in that one little segment that she finally said, fine, watch TV and leave when you could tell her daughter still wanted to talk more to her about this.

But Candy couldn't deal with what her daughter was saying to her. Probably. And then you're also aware that cameras are there. So you have to always think about the fact that whatever her daughter was saying to her, this is also early on in years that nobody knows how stuff is coming out of the oven and how you're going to be portrayed. And the daughter's uncomfortable and there's cameras in her house. So it's just, it's different. It's funny. The shows back then had a great,

greater authenticity because people didn't have full hair and makeup and glam squads. And they just wore what you and I are wearing right now. Just wear normal clothes. Now it's costumes and like

crowns and it's it's clown like it's crazy people because it's meta and everyone's sort of showing off because they know they're on television back then there were just some cameras and you were wearing a sweater out of your closet because it was real back then you were doing real so that's one of the things that's different too there was like a there's an authenticity to it that that i don't see as much anymore people do miss that um and

Candy, this is also vintage housewives and Candy's talking about she doesn't buy jewelry and flashy items and she's focused on investing in real estate. Don't forget, this is like in her 30s. This isn't when everybody's like now in their 50s. This is in her 30s and she's already had a music career and had albums go I guess gold and platinum and made money and she's talking about investing in real estate so I knew you would like that.

I did like that. And I like that she looked at her wall and she had all her platinum albums and everything up there. And she liked that. And that was a representation of what she did. She displayed what she did. Right. That's a sense of self-worth. Right. I like that a lot.

So later at the party, when meaning you're not that interested in and Sharae have a discussion, Sharae doesn't Sharae say she did get a seven figure settlement. Didn't she say that that did actually happen? No, no. She said she's asked the question, did you get us? Did you get your seven figures? And Sharae says the judge awarded me it, but it's not in my bank account yet.

Oh, it's like saying child support. He also didn't pay 19 months of whatever you said of child support. Oh, so the yes. And by the way, people need to realize that just getting to court can take so long. And getting a judge to do something is very different than getting a judge to enforce something because that's then the law. The judge is not a cop. It's the legal system is so challenging. So even if she was, quote unquote, awarded, it's fiction until it gets into the bank account.

And did she ever get it? I bet you she didn't, but that's a great question. That will come up. I will ask. No way she got any money. No way. No way she got any money. So it's funny. I don't know if Kim Zolciak still has a wig business, but it's interesting that she wasn't interested in learning about the craft that it takes to do that, to launch a wig business. Yes.

She didn't seem interested. She wasn't interested in anything other than somebody making her comfortable, rich and providing for her. Very interesting. She would say she was interested in. Yeah. She might say that she's interested in making her own money and she has had shows and stuff. But as you know, just explain to everybody.

You know what people make on TV and it's not like what people make on finance or wall street. And you know what it costs to live all these lives as people are living. And you know what businesses are really making for the people listening, just because you're selling some handbags or selling some wigs or selling some leggings or

You have no idea how much work it takes to actually make any kind of real money for all of that. I sell everything. I sell dressings. I sell apparel. I sell popcorn and so many different things. It takes a long time to really see real checks. And they're not like game changing, life changing things.

Range Rover SUV checks. Like they're not over the course of years. Yes. I make a lot of money in the aggregate altogether because I've been doing it so long, but like selling handbags on the first year, you're going to make $0, a couple of hundred dollars. Like you're not going to make any money. And then you're going to hit a pandemic or you're going to hit inflation. You're going to hit possibly a recession. Right.

then what are you going to do? Exactly. It's not what I'm trying to convey is that everybody thinks because housewives are wearing things with G's from head to toe and Fendi and driving nice cars that are leased and in many cases borrowed, because I've seen that too. It's all show and no go. There's very little meat there with these people, which is why there's so much scandal because people who are drawn to be on these shows are

most people who have a lot of money wouldn't be on that show. I was on the show when I had nothing and I left when I had something like, because it's very hard to justify exposing yourself to this when you don't need to. What was interesting, Bethany, as I learned it twice, I was going to be on Larry King and that's when what's his name took over for Larry. I can't remember his name. The guy from Brit Pierce. And for some reason, I,

On that show, when I was going there, I normally would wear a gold Cartier watch. And then my airing said I haven't changed in over 30 years. Same pendant, right? If you look at any book cover, anything, same thing here. But I used to have a fetish for watches. Don't ask me why. I was stupid. No, it's not stupid, by the way, because they're investments if you do it well, which I have. But it's not the best thing to invest in. Fine. Yeah.

It really isn't. No. But anyway, so I really liked a watch by, I think, Michael Kors that was $200. So I bought it and I wore it that night to be on the show. And Pierce somehow started off this thing about how rich I was and like, like how much is the watch you have on, for instance, Susie. Right. And I was able to say to him, $200. Why, Pierce? Right.

Right. Because what does that mean? It was right. It was it was like he wanted to catch me with my thirty thousand dollar watch. Oh, it was very interesting. And one last thing I had on the Susie Orman show, Carson Cressley, and he came on and I had on a seven hundred dollar T-shirt.

$100 blue jean jacket. Everything else I had on was very expensive. And the test was, Carson, what is the most expensive item that I have? Oh, okay.

And he chose the hundred dollar jacket. Interesting. He did not choose the designer thing. And I just, I went out and got those things just for this show. Right. Right. And that's when I learned you can,

make a statement just by who you are. Yes. No matter what you wear, people think it's expensive. Well, no, but even more, Susie. People think you spent a lot of money on it. Yes, but back to relationships of money, I believe, strongly believe, I'm certain that

People who need to go to the window and buy the most expensive thing, the whole outfit together with which lacks creativity, but who need the logos like I have high end stuff, a lot of it, but like who need the logos, who need everybody to know what it is and who makes it.

they're insecure. It's very insecure. How much do you think the jacket was that I have on? Right now? Uh-huh. It's hard to see it, but it, uh, two something, 250 maybe? $5. I got it at the HSN discount store. That's amazing. Well, I,

I was by Yaman. I bought seven of them and it's my favorite jacket. I wear all the time. I spent 35 bucks for seven jackets. You also like that's part of like, that's a deal-making type of person. My friend, her owns the Mets. She has more money than anybody that I know. And she likes the hunt. She said to me that she pitched the person from Sears that she would wear for a year.

you know, a billionaire. She would wear for a year Sears clothes and no one would think so because people will walk up to her all the time. Like who makes that? She's like, nothing. Bethany jeans, like $40 because she's rich and she doesn't need to show it. And you find that. And we see that here. People who really need to show their money are lacking somewhere else. And

they probably don't really have a lot of money. It's really, if you have to show it so desperately with logos to make you feel secure, then you probably don't really have it.

I don't think I have one item that has a logo on it. Not one. That's fascinating. I am sure that I do, but not a ton, but I'm sure that I do, but not a ton. I would never want to show that to people. I like that. Yeah. Well, you are walking the walk literally and talking to talk literally, and you help a lot of people. And I think this was so amazing.

Well, first of all, let me ask you one question before we finish, but I want to ask you what your rose and your thorn was of the episode. The sweet part, believe it or not for me was, was the little girl sitting on the bed, talking to mommy Riley and owning her power. I loved that because I saw potential. I saw potential there. Okay. The true thorn was,

Was the very first thing that I heard Sheree say, people are intimidated by my success. I was like. Got it. Yeah. What is that about? Right. Nobody's intimidated by your success, girl. Right. What is wrong with you? That was starting me right then and there. That's amazing. That started me all the way down the road. And.

Who you're the most like candy of all the housewives, right? I don't even have to ask that. Yeah. If you were going to compare me to that. Any of them. Right. And who's the most entertaining as a, as a character? Boy, Sheree's pretty. See. Whatever. I have to tell you, they're all really entertaining. You know, my most, the bored one. Is it Kim? The blonde? Is that Kim? Or who's. Yeah. Kim bored me. Totally.

Nothing she did was entertaining. I felt like it was acting. I felt it was pretentious. I felt like you have nothing to teach people here.

On any level. It's like, right. It's just vanilla. Right. Cause at least you're right. We learned from, so you're like, there's a value there because we learned from some of this stuff you're saying you was, you know, you're not, you didn't learn anything to, or not to do from Kim. You just felt like it was an eye roll. Wow. Susie Orman. I literally had no idea that you had never watched. And that wasn't relevant to me because I wanted to have a fresh conversation, but with your expertise, I,

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