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social burnout, mental health & consent ft. Rachel Galvo

2025/1/23
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GROWING UP with Keelin Moncrieff

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Keelan: 我在25岁生日之际经历了一次恐慌性发作,因为我既渴望拥有一个大家庭(5-7个孩子),又担心无法兼顾事业和家庭。我感到女性在生育问题上承受着比男性更大的压力,这让我感到焦虑。我过去放纵的生活方式(酗酒、滥交)让我现在对酒精和亲密关系感到反感,甚至对约会和男性都感到厌倦。然而,我仍然渴望组建家庭,这让我感到矛盾。在亲密关系中,我总是过度关注自己的形象,无法真正享受亲密时刻,这让我感到沮丧。我尝试探索自己的性取向,但结果并不如预期。我过去曾因为醉酒而做出一些让自己后悔的事情,直到最近才意识到这些行为是不对的。我越来越对男性感到失望,并希望在一段新的关系中找到不同的体验。我意识到很多人对性同意缺乏正确的理解,误认为某些行为意味着同意,即使在看似自愿的情况下,性侵犯仍然可能发生,并且受害者有权说不。男性应该积极参与到解决性别不平等的问题中来,主动挑战和改变性别歧视的言行。即使是看似无害的社会现象,也可能反映出根深蒂固的性别歧固的性别歧视。并非所有男性都是性别歧视者,一些男性也积极支持女权主义。随着年龄的增长,家庭成员之间的关系会发生变化,需要适应新的角色和责任。独自生活让我在心理健康方面取得了显著进步,与朋友合租的经历帮助我提升了冲突解决能力和人际交往能力。女性之间可以建立一种独特的亲密关系,即使只是简单的陪伴。频繁往返于伦敦和爱尔兰之间,让我感到身心俱疲。与家人同住虽然温馨,但也带来了一些生活上的不便和冲突。我的母亲总是能够洞察到我的感情和人际关系中的问题,母亲对儿子和女儿的态度可能存在差异。亲人的离世会带来悲伤和难以言喻的感受。即使我的事业已经取得了成功,我仍然需要母亲的帮助和支持。我的母亲在事业和家庭之间难以平衡,我对此感到担忧。独立举办演出需要承担许多琐碎的工作和压力。有了孩子后,我重新感受到了圣诞节的魔力。我非常享受目前在爱尔兰与家人和朋友一起度过圣诞节的时光。圣诞节对很多人来说充满压力,我不希望任何人因为礼物而感到困扰。我童年时在克隆梅尔度过的圣诞节充满美好的回忆。我今年重新感受到了与家人团聚的快乐。家人是生活中最稳定的存在。我不会急于创作新的作品,而会先巩固现有作品的影响力。我非常享受舞台表演,并且希望能够继续创作和演出。 Rachel Galvin: (由于提供的文本中没有Rachel Galvin的独立观点,此处无法补充她的核心论点。)

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Keelin and Rachel discuss the anxieties and uncertainties of their twenties, covering topics such as the pressures of starting a family, navigating dating and intimacy, and processing past experiences of emotional distress. They discuss the challenges women face in balancing personal life goals with societal expectations.
  • Balancing career ambitions with the desire to have children.
  • The complexities of intimacy and self-image.
  • The impact of past trauma and the process of recognizing unhealthy relationships.

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I feel like I look like Mudeng in this big massive grey thing. That's fine, I'm not insecure. Are you going to do Santa with your kids? So I was thinking about kids early last night, actually, having a panic attack. Because I see myself with five to six to seven kids. So you say that now, but once you have one, you're like, I think two is actually fun! And then I turned 25 last week. Okay. And last night was the first time. I'm so sorry. I know I like to be very relaxed. We have loads of time. We're in our 20s, but like...

I am like, I haven't so much as been on a date in like a year. Oh, yeah. How am I going to... I also hate men. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. But I also want to have the family Eunice.

See, that's the thing. Women have to think about that. Men don't. There's no like... Like I had a full on... It was the TikTok panic. And I'm sorry to say it because I know women are sick and tired of hearing it. But I literally... My heart was coming out of my mouth thinking like, I'm not ready in five years, six years, seven years time to start having kids. I know. I feel like a baby Keelan. Like I do these brave things and I get up on stage and perform in front of thousands of people and whatever. I go on dates and like you get intimate with people and you do all these grown up things and get drunk. But I still like...

I colour in a colouring book when I come home from a show I do jigsaw puzzles I sleep with a stuffed animal but that's great I love but I'm so in touch with my like inner child but that's great for parenthood do you think that's a good yeah that's a good skill to have but I it's worse if you're not in touch with your inner child and you get impatient or worn out by children acting like children it's like if you know the mind of a child it's much easier to but I

But I think I just have a mind of a child. Like, now I've gone even the other direction. I think because I grew up so fast or tried to grow up so fast when I was young. Like, when I said, when I got kind of more conventionally attractive when I got to college, over-sexualized myself completely, started getting attention from guys everywhere.

drinking to God knows and doing God knows what. Do you know what I mean? Like I was just, I just got it all out of my system for four years. Yeah. That now I'm completely the other direction that even the thought of even drinking alcohol, I'm like, ew, that's a grown up thing. Like alcohol is just like, I'm like a two year old. I'm not even joking. Yeah. The thought of getting intimate with someone freaks me out now. I'm just like, I'm a baby.

Oh God, I have a mental illness. I think I just realized. I think I have a serious problem. I'm like Benjamin Button aging backwards in my brain. No, my sister was talking about this last night. We went out for dinner and we were actually all sober. Both of my sisters are sober. That's good. And we all have such a laugh. But they were talking about sexuality and it's actually one of the, especially for women, it's the most difficult thing to decide or like work on because we have so many issues instilled in us by trying to please men and...

and then body image issues and trying to look perfect whereas like men in comparison don't have to think about those things necessarily as much as women do yeah being like I have to look a certain way I have to have kids by this age so it is much more difficult to try like get in touch with your sexuality or your sensuality

At this age, because you don't feel sexy if you're thinking about having kids. That's like the least sexy. 100%. I never feel sexy. Like my mind is never in. Okay, we're talking about sex now. That's brilliant. I hope my mom listens. But basically, when I'm like sleeping with someone, my mind is never on that person.

It's on myself or on like, it's always on myself and freaking out, like freaking out. I'm like envisioning myself from their eyes, if that makes sense. Like, what do I look like right now? Do I have a double chin? Do I have like this? It's disgusting. And I won't like, I just, like I will, people who sleep with me think that I hate them because they're like, are you alive? Like, hello? Because I'm like, I just, I'm like, you think I'm ugly?

It's going to sound like I don't know myself. I did kiss a girl. Oh, I'm a girl. I kissed a girl because you made me freak out in the last episode. I was like, oh my God, I'm definitely like gay and I don't know it. So when I was in New York, I was like, I'm going to like act like

I, like, never knew my sexuality or whatever. It didn't work. Oh, yeah. Those sparks were flying. Okay. No. But at least you tried a little bit. I did try that. I'm very proud of myself. I was a little bit upset that it didn't work out because I was like, that would be... It's not easier. I hate when people say that. I wish I was gay. It would be easier. Shut the fuck up. I was hoping because...

I think I've just gone off men so much. Yeah. That I was hoping, even just for my own romantic and sexual health, I was hoping that I would find a spark with a woman. Or it would be an answer for you as to why you're feeling so put off by men. I think that's it. I'm just, I'm really feeling lost in like my romantic life. And I think at the moment it's very easy for me to be like, my career is thriving, you know? So like, I can't even imagine bringing someone in. But like, if I'm being honest, even before all this was happening,

I had issues in relationships. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So do you feel like you had to drink if you were going to get intimate with someone so that it would turn off the thoughts? I'm like feeling blackout. Like sometimes there's one or two times where I was like, like I woke up and I was like, should we have been, as in like you knew I was, there's one guy I was with and I was like blackout sobbing. Oh no. Yeah. And it continued.

That's fucked up. That's fucked up. I know. Yeah. And I've only... That happened maybe four or five years ago. And I'm only... This has turned very heavy. I'm sorry. But isn't it so funny that only in the last year when I was telling someone that story, I realized that that wasn't okay. See, the thing is what highlights... That's obviously fucking horrible. I'm so sorry. But...

But I didn't know it was horrible. I know, that's the thing. And with the McGregor case, it's getting dark now. With the McGregor case, what I found interesting and more horrifying was like the social commentary around the case because people actually don't understand consent. They think that if you do... I don't know if I understand consent. I know. If you do X, Y and Z, you deserve it and that's you asking for it. I know. When like realistically, it's like they use that analogy of going up into the plane. If you want to go... What's that thing

Think about it. Skydiving. You can get the gear on, you can go up into the plane and you're still within your right to say no. Yeah, of course you are. So that's like the analogy that they use. But it's like really disconcerting how many people think that if you're drunk, you're asking for it. If you're wearing a certain thing, you're asking for it. Even if you're flirting with that person and kissing them, that means that you're giving them the A-OK to keep going. Speaking of, I was just reading. I feel like no one is fucking talking about this. The Irish under 20s

player that was in France. I saw that. Like, they were using objects. What? And it's like, she was out clubbing with them and went back to the hotel with them or whatever, but I was like, that's not the point. Like, not only was it rape, but it's like, that is... That's not human. That's inhumane. Yeah, no, that's funny. And no one's hearing about that. Yeah. Like, no one is...

Like a female rage band. They did get convicted. Yeah, they did. But that's not... And even the people who were there who witnessed it. But the thing is, with these policies in place... It's before all this though. Why are we... Why does it happen?

Like, why is this even happening? That's not... Giselle... Oh, that was horrible. But I'm not seeing... I'm sorry. I'm not seeing a woman drugging her husband and inviting men over. I don't... We don't hear as much about that. Why is this happening? And my brother said after the last episode that I did with you, he was like, you're making it impossible to meet a man or something. Like, I'm a good man or whatever. I was like, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying...

I don't know what I'm saying I'm just saying I'm angry but we're not saying all men hashtag not all men it's the fact that men need to stick if you care about women so much you need to like get

get your friends in order, have conversations with, like your dad who makes sexist jokes or uncles who are pervy. Do you know? You haven't come to see the show yet, have you? No. Oh, you should come to the Olympia on 8th of May. Okay. It talks all about this stuff. I even make the point that I, I'm sorry, did I cut across you? But it's just going on that. I literally, like when I was in my office job, would laugh at the most misogynistic jokes made by like,

bosses and stuff. Do you feel uncomfortable? Do you? I think you just like, you're like, this is just what it is. Like you just laugh. Ha ha ha. And then you feel really silly about yourself. And then you'll be, but you'd be condemned as hard, difficult to work with. Oh yeah. Difficult. Or...

Feminazi Yeah 100% You know if you even So much as give a dirty glare Yeah You're all All of a sudden Man hating lesbian Oh would you lighten up It's only a joke Yeah Yeah yeah yeah Impossible to work with You want to be seen Like in the workplace As the easy going woman Who's dying for whatever Who drinks pint of Guinness Because she doesn't like The fruity girly shit Yeah

Honestly, the fact that we have like pushed the patriarchy and feminism into things like drinks, like someone who's a cool girl who drinks pints because she doesn't want to be seen as the annoying girly type. Yeah. Oh my God. I didn't even think of that. I think about it, Keenan. That's horrible. So every day now with the 4B movement and everything in America, I'm like, I'm hating them more and more. So am I. But I actually need to stop myself from it because I do like know people who know good men.

I have heard of my friend's cousin's friend's dog. My dad is a good man. My dad is a good man. He annoys the shit out of me sometimes, but he is. He's a good man. Oh, that's something, Vanessa. He's a good man. He is a really good man. And like, he gets so fucking disgusted by these stories. And like, my dad was like, when the gay marriage referendum was coming up, my dad was the one calling around all our cousins and like our old aunties and uncles and great aunts and all being like, if one of my kids, one of your kids, like my dad's very...

I love that that's like the bare minimum. But I'm like, no, my Irish, like six-year-old dad is like an ally. It's like, and he's up for feminism and he was disgusted by Trump and all that. So that reassures me. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, in fairness, I've never had to argue. And he was up up Kamala. Like, yeah. Oh, up up Kamala. I've never had to argue with my parents over like political stances or anything. Thank God. Okay, thank God. I do feel for people like that. That's, you know.

We're very open about it in my house. My dad loves talking about politics. Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's good. Some people are so funny. Like, you can't ask me that.

And I'm like, what can we talk about nowadays? Do you feel the seesaw is moving? Of course you do. Because the seesaw is where you're a kid and they're the adult. And then slowly we're getting to the age now where you feel, oh my God, okay, they're telling me more personal things. I need to be a shoulder for them to cry on. Oh my God, you're human. Oh my God, you have a... And then suddenly when they get old, we're in like that caring figure. And then they're the people who... Ooh, that makes me sad. Anyway, what were you just talking about? I can't remember.

Kamala, up up Kamala is the last thing I thought about. Oh, you were like, you can't ask people anything these days. Oh my God. That thing about like in formal places or, you know, to be polite, you don't ask about religion, money or politics. I'm like, they're my favorite fucking topics. Oh. You're not supposed to talk about this. Oh, I didn't know that. See, I was never taught, like we burp at the table and shit in my house. So the proper thing to do is to never talk about this thing. And that is the furthest thing from me. And so like, if I was ever at like posh friend's

parents Christmas parties and I'd be fucking raging to go inside yeah yeah yeah tell me about it more I mean do you have a gun in your eyes like that kind of we're not in America but you know what I mean that vibe yeah just very bad ADHD actually speaking of the ADHD page has texted me twice being like do you want to work together oh and I'm like haven't replied because I'm like think I'm I think I'm a bad bad ADHD like I have such bad ADHD that I'm like I shouldn't be influencing anyone

But no, but I think it's a success story because you are able to use it creatively. Do you know what I mean? You're able to use your ADHD. I just, I feel like a fraud if I like... I always think I'm not ADHD enough. Enough. 100%. I'm just like, yeah, I have a few quirks. That's fine. I just have such... My anxiety is like, you made this up. You said that. And, you know, you did do really well in school. So...

And X, Y, Z. Do you know what I mean? Like making up excuses. But it shows up differently in girls anyway. I know it does. It's just me convincing myself. Yeah. I convinced myself I didn't need glasses for years because I thought I was making it up for attention. 100%. Because you know when you're a kid and you see someone with braces and you're like, fuck, that looks good. Or a cast. And people are signing it and you're like,

If I could just get my parents to give me a little bit of attention, I could just break my arm. I was so pissed that I never broke a limb. Yeah, no, never. My bones are so strong. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Touch your head and your heart. One, two, three. Because, touch your head and your heart. And yeah, funny. I was very angry that I never had a cast or anything. Not even an operation. I do have a bit of issues. I'm just like, why can't I be normal? Do you think? I think sometimes, do you know like when... But what is normal?

Like a part of me is like, am I normal, but I don't know it? Like what I know, normal boring. Like my brain is very exciting. I have a lot of fun in my brain because it's so, when it's not fun, it's really not fun. But when it's fun, it's really fun. I'm like, are other people just going about their day like being boring? Yeah. I will say I've never been boring. That's good. That's class. I feel like I did lose like three or four years of my life because I was just avoiding things.

working on myself and being like a petulant sort of spoiled brat where everything is happening to me and it's horrible and I I can't do anything about it now obviously I've gotten over that now and I've learned so much from it I'm like stupid stupid stupid but I just think if I didn't waste those three or four years would I be a bit further ahead than where I am now I did it for 22 years like I when I was living at home I think and being like babied by my mum and like yeah I'm mentally unwell my mummy's gonna look after me and I like leaned into it

Land into it. Does that make sense? And then when I moved to London, no joke, and I had to self-soothe and look after myself. It's become so much more manageable. And like, if you'd asked me in 2021, did I ever think I'd be able to live alone with my mental health? I was like, absolutely not. Yeah. I would have said that. Like, I need my mum. I need to be able to run down to her room in the middle of the night if I have like a panic attack. Whereas now I've grown up so much more in the last two and a half years than I have over my whole life. Living alone is so invaluable. It's such a good...

really good lesson to learn really good lesson to learn even before because it's different to like living with the family it's really different living with friends because you're learning like conflict resolution skills how to get on with people yeah you know that sort of thing because when you're a family you're just like oh and you bring up yourself you know it's you don't bury me like people there's no boundaries yeah oh and it's just like I'm giving out to two toddlers a whole lot like come on now yeah yeah wrangling the kids together but when you live with friends and it's such a nice experience and sometimes I do miss it like my friend Niamh who I lived with we just like get

get into bed together and watch TikToks beside each other? Do you know little... The intimacy is like that. I think that's a female experience. It is. It is very much like we...

myself and Kate and Flo who live together like just we get on so well and we were all just the other day like lying in Flo's bed in her room no boundaries or like just scrolling on our phones doing nothing but doing nothing together yeah and I was like when did you guys do this like this is just so I was just so happy in that moment it's like having that's what sisters is like doing nothing completely the ability to do nothing together is so sisterhood I know even when Claude and I are like both working from home we want to be in the same room working from home

Yeah We won't speak to each other For five or six hours But like on our lunch break It's like okay We're going for a walk now We we we we That's so nice Oh it's so nice And how's it being home With your family So So I've lived in London For the last two and a half years And then after the Edinburgh Fringe The last time I talked to you Was before I did any show Oh my god that's crazy And I got mistaken for you Will I tell the story Yeah

God, I'm really happy with that. This, like, really humbled me. So I was out for culture night. I was a partner for culture night. So I was, like, out doing things. And then I went for a drink with my sister. And then this group of, I'd say they were 19 or 20, came over. Very drunk now, in fairness to them. So they probably don't even remember this. They were like, oh, my God, I can't believe it. Now, the two girls were like, from YouTube, from YouTube, took a photo. You know sometimes people can't remember your name, but they kind of recognize you. They're just like, I better get a picture just in case. They're like, just in case. So I'm...

Yeah. And you know what I say? You're like, I'm like feeling man-creep. Yeah. But they're like, just in case you're something important and I've forgotten. Do you know? And then one of the lads comes over to me and he's like, oh my God, I can't believe it. And I was like, what? And he goes, you've really popped off since the Edinburgh Fringe. And I was like, oh my God.

My god You think I'm Rachel Galvo I don't know how He's not Obviously never seen us In real life I'm like Mudang You're like a Slovenian Like you're so Fucking petite I could put you In my back pocket

I was like, I love that though. He was so embarrassed in fairness. But did you say? I was like, I'm not Rachel Galvo. That's hilarious though. And he was like, oh my God, still got a picture of me though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just in case. You were just like, well, you're someone I think. Oh, fucks. Yeah, because once one person starts taking a photo, everyone else is like, they're like, wait a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so then I never left the house ever again after that. Sorry, go ahead. Talk about Edinburgh Fringe. Go on.

Oh no sorry So since it all kicked off I've A lot of Irish shows Have been setting out And I've Honestly been getting a flight Like at least once a week Yeah Back here And after living alone For two years And then coming back to the family It's been a lot And

And the fact is, shit happens in families. And I don't post it all online. And I make sure, you know, I make everything look lovely, lovely, lovely. And it's harder to hide that stuff or like be removed and post stuff online and work and write comedy and perform when you're surrounded by five people's problems rather than just one person's problems. I love my family to pieces, but now it's five adults living in a house rather than two adults and three kids. Do you know what I mean? And it definitely, I feel that. Like we're all grown ass fucking working adults.

and it's you know everyone wants their space in the evening and it's like well we only have two rooms so choose you know what I mean they have been very supportive my mum is did I say this on the last episode my best friend in the world yeah she seems like such a queen well I've met her before she is a queen but she is she loves you actually yeah she thinks you're really fucking cool she just thinks yeah you just stand out to her

I don't want to shit on other people Not in that way Do you know what I mean She's just like You're not fake at all Oh that's nice Yeah yeah yeah She's just like She's just real You know sometimes You go to these events And everything's so lovely And she kind of finds that Like she's like Whoa But mams always pick up On that stuff Always Like if I Like I went to a friendship breakup And my mamma she's like She was always fake I'm just like What? Yeah Like where did that come from? I always knew Do you know that's what it is Every time I break up With someone my mum's like Thank god And I'm like

As in, you knew for a year and a half and you didn't say. And my mum was always like, it wasn't my thing to tell you. Yeah. Part of me was like, I could have. I was like, ma'am, you tell me everything. You tell me when you don't like me. Yeah, yeah. No, in fairness with Jason, my mum was always like, Kaelin, he's a very good lad. Really? The whole time. Like texting him, calling him, inviting him over for dinner. I was like, fuck this.

Does that not annoy you more? No. Sometimes I'm like, I fucking hate them. I'm so happy I broke up with them. And mom's like, ah, he was a good man. He was lovely to you. Remember that birthday present? And it's just like, shut up. Shut up. Stop reminding me of the good stuff, you know? I know. I think mothers just have a softer spot for boys. Like, they'd be harsher to women. But my granny was the same with my uncle. With my uncle Declan. Like, you know, she has...

Alzheimer's now and like so she has a few sentences that she'll just repeat yeah oh yeah but it's fine like she's very they're hilarious and she's happy out so it's actually some people always think like dementia and Alzheimer's is really depressing and sometimes it is but like we leave hers laughing all the time that's so nice if I'm ever in a bad mood I'll just go and see my nana because she's hilarious does she remember you? emm

She's like familiar with us. She's not like, who the fuck are you? Get away. She knows like we're all her family. Yeah. Oh, she won't remember I'm like the first grandchild or whatever. But again, my uncle Declan, like she'll say, my golden boy, you could do no wrong. I'm like, that'll be a line over and over. And my mom and auntie are sad. They're like, yeah, like feeding her like, I don't know what it is about moms and their sons. I know. No, my granny's the same as well.

She's, well, she's dementia, but she thinks that I'm her niece when I show up. Yeah. Yeah. But queen. Like, she's fine. Yeah. That's, yeah. It's great. It is more dark and depressing, though. It's not really funny. I'm sorry. Yeah. It is shit. That stuff freaks me out. I know. There's like two goodbyes.

And then one is like more blurred. Like it definitely felt like when my granddad died that I wasn't sure when the last time I actually saw him was. Yeah. Probably before COVID because COVID fucked a lot of older people. I think that's what it was. Really sad. They weren't getting out to see people as much and their brain wasn't as active. Yeah. It was just shit. Being back with my family, my mum has come to every single show bar one in London because she couldn't make it because it was my sister's graduation. Yeah.

And like I was literally having a conversation with her the other day like would you like come and literally work for me because I. Manager. Yeah well I have managers but it's more even just. So I have the Olympia Theatre on the 8th of May. Yeah. Please buy a ticket. And it's like the biggest career, biggest night of my career to date right. And my mum works with Enterprise Ireland. She's saying that I have a full workshop that day.

And immediately I was like, well, we have to change the date because I need my fucking mom. You know what I mean? Like that's how much I need her. And then she was like, well, I have to work. You know, my mom, my mom and dad are like they run the house and they're both the main breadwinners. And so they if one of them stops working, it's not going to work. And so I was kind of like, you know, I hope I'm in a place in two years or something or a year or two where I can like be like, don't worry about it because I need you. I'll pay you.

I know that sounds really dramatic and people might not get that but I just don't want I feel like my mum feels very torn now because she is a bit of a momager in a way like she is really there for me on the run up to shows and like she'll when we have rehearsals with the dancers and stuff like she'll just make sure everything is running and she'll get me whatever I need and not in an assistant way she's being a mum but she's it's just a lot and she'll have to like give up work commitments for that and I don't think that's fair that's brilliant that you have someone like that

I was at Louise McSharry's I think I took it for granted for a bit because I was at Louise McSharry's podcast the other day and she was just like

When she came backstage at my show, she was like, your mum is like a guardian angel. She was helping you with your things. She was making sure your makeup was off and your heels were off. Even something like having someone to zip up the dresses. I couldn't have done that myself. It's like a really hard zip to get to. I didn't even think about that. She's always there. That's so nice. Oh, it's amazing. I had my friend Reese now for my London show.

We didn't have water. No, I sent them like a complaint email afterwards. There was like no toilet paper in the bathroom. There was only one person working the bar. So the queue was obviously huge. No one had their seats taken by the time the show started. Oh, I won't say on the thing. It was like £6,000 to rent. Like it was fucking wild. That's unheard of. But Rhys now, I sent them a complaint. I was like, this is crazy. You didn't even have enough staff on the night like for people...

You know, it's not a nice experience. Did you do it with Lime Nation? No, no, I did it myself independently. I was booking shows independently for like a year and a half. Are you glad that you don't anymore? No, because now I have the skills to do it. I actually would prefer to do it myself and not someone else take the cut. My friend Rhys was like...

He's like, there's no fucking water in the thing. Like went to the shop across the road, bought us little coolers, went to the manager to give out, got the guest list sorted. And I was like, this is like actually luxury to have someone do this. Yeah. Because usually I was doing it myself at my own show. Yeah. You know, running around getting stuff. I don't know how you do that. I have at least three or four people. Yeah. Like I have the production reps and I have the Alex and Azzy from MCD and then I have my mum and I have my two managers. And

My managers, I love them to bits and they'll get the professional shit done and they have all the details. Whereas my mum will know before I say something. Like, Rachel always has a coffee before she goes on. Oh, yeah, yeah. Or like, this sounds so dramatic, people are going to think I'm such a brat. You know, like, that sounds like... I need my coffee before I go on. Like, obviously I need my outfit. But she'll just like know how to make the coffee. And when I go and do like my tech run, she'll know things before I know them. How are you feeling about Christmas now that you have a child? Oh, yeah, Christmas. Christmas now...

So Christmas for us Has started probably mid-November That's when Bea started watching Christmas movies Brilliant She goes I want to do the Christmas tree She's kind of saying stuff like Santa go ho ho ho You know that sort of thing She doesn't know the whole concept now About the elves And like Santa coming in the middle of the night Or any of that Not yet But she knows that she's going to get presents That's fabulous

No, so that's been really good because then I could get more organized, bring her to the toy shop with me, buy all her cousin's toys. Fabulous. So like she loves this whole experience. And then we'd go like see the winter lights and all that stuff. Do you think you're finding Christmas more magical now that you have a child? Way more magical because it was a bit dull there for the past year.

I'd say five years. Like, you know when you get to that age where you kind of, you're resenting your parents a little bit when you're a teenager? And then when you move away, you're getting a bit of independence. Christmas is not the same. It doesn't have the same magic to it or like excitement. It was just like, oh, fucking stressful having to buy everyone presents. And then you feel a pressure because everyone's like, it's the most magical time of the year. And you're like, is something wrong with me? Like, because I'm not that excited or I'm XYZ. Now, I am excited, but for other years, I was literally like,

and when you come after living away and you come back and it's like we're going to see everyone from school is that a good thing? see I don't do that well no I don't fucking do it either Cillian but if I want to go to my local for a drink everyone's going to be there oh you know I don't do that either

I don't do that. My sisters go somewhere. I went once and my ex-boyfriend, who's literally a psychopath, was like whispering abuse into my ear. Fabulous. Yeah, it's class. Yeah, and that's Merry Christmas. It's class. So I don't do any of that shit now because I'm not huge on the people from my hometown. I have like one friend from school and that's it. Me too. I have like a handful of people that I would...

be left on a desert island with maybe two or three but this year's great for me because I'm living in Ireland all my friends are coming home from London or wherever they're from so for me this is like Ireland's actually fabulous it's brilliant everyone's here you know we can do stuff together and also like be in the excitement with the cousins and meeting all the families and doing all that stuff so

It has been actually really nice. And I've made a little bit of extra money this year. So I was able to donate, which is fantastic. That's really, really nice. I feel real accomplished because that's all I really wanted to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Christmas is so fucking hard for people. And like, I hate seeing, you know, if like your parents or your aunties and uncles or even like Jason's parents are feeling under pressure to get you a present. And I'm just like, please don't get me anything. Please don't get...

I don't want anyone to be upset or like... We're not doing any sadness this year except one Chris Kendall. We're doing Chris Kendall as well. Yeah. But even like between mums and dads. Yeah, my mum's... But I just want to get you something. I'm like, mum, please do not. Like, I think we're earning the same money, mum. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's... It's not... It doesn't make sense logically in my head for them to be... It's just unfair. It's just unfair. Yeah. Like, I want to buy my fucking parents everything. Same. That's all I want to do. But it's... Sorry, is there any family traditions you do? Like, I know you're going to Clonbell now. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to Clonmel. So it was always a tradition that I have cousins in Clonmel and they have like a big country house in the back arse of nowhere. And it was so magical as a child because it would be snowing in this big country estate house, like a 20 foot Christmas tree. It was like not a real place. What?

Like real fireplaces and carpets everywhere. Really old timey house. Yeah. With like mouldings on the wall and everything. Chandeliers. Chandeliers, everything. Pianos, like Keelan, everything. Like larders. Like butler fanfares. And did everyone have a party piece sort of thing? 100%. Everyone had an instrument. Everyone had a poem. We were to eat that.

it's a hard luck life with our brushes like we had little bells and we were doing it was fabulous it was really it was a whole theatrical production and we hadn't done that when my granny was getting older she couldn't travel down so we stopped doing it and this the first year we're going back with all my cousins coming back from Australia everyone's coming like I don't know the last time we were all together as a family it's been years and we're all going because she passed which is really sad but it

which is really sad but no it is really sad full stop but now we all get to go back all together and I'm really in touch with my inner child this Christmas oh that's really nice I'm so excited like getting older is realising it's actually class to have family to go to because my family are real into like

surprise parties and everyone comes in for communions and everyone they're all from Galway and they're real like big big production big party because two of my uncles are like event planners so they go out they have loads of like contacts who are DJs and photographers oh yes they'll get a private session do you know they love a function oh my god but I've gotten since I've had B I've gotten real into going to family do's yeah and then my uncle said to me and I was actually kind of embarrassed he was like you're great at coming to these things I was like you're the only person who's like oh my god I'm a loser I'm

that's so much fun to see family but it is so nice to like see all your cousins all the time and it's also just like family are the constant thing well now obviously you can choose family and there are blood relatives that people don't necessarily consider family etc but

Like, I was listening to a podcast that Tom Holland did the other day. And he was like, you know, you fight with your siblings when you're growing up or your cousins or whatever. And then you get older and you're like, I don't have that many friends. Hey, guys, we should be friends. Do you know what I mean? And it's just like a given friend. And it's amazing. I love it. I love having my cousins. And they're all so successful. Like, one of my cousins works in private equity. And I was asking her about it. And I was like, this is fucking crazy. My cousin, my other cousin is like...

And marketing, something to do with marketing. And then my other cousin, like, is doing, did actuary in college. You know, they're all just real impressive people. And I'm just like, I need to know these. I feel the same. I'm like, I have a microphone. Yeah, tell us a joke right now at the dinner table with 20 people. Sarah, what brain surgery did you just say? Do you know what I mean? We've got the surgeons. We've got the head of marketing, XYZ. People are getting married and having babies. I know. A chicken crossed the road.

You're like, who wants an anal joke? Yeah. Did anyone hear the joke I told about my flaps? Anyone? My dad came to my show the other day. Oh, and how was that? Has he seen it before? He has seen it before, but...

Because I only started, like the first ever time I did live comedy was the Edinburgh Fringe, only like five, six months ago. If I'm embarrassed if anyone came to any of my September, October shows, I have gotten so much better. Yeah. With each performance, it's such a practice. Getting comfortable on stage. Every time I do a bit, I know what to add to it. I know where the audience loves bits. Yeah. So he's seen it before, but not in like the level I've like dug into the really inappropriate bits. Was the Christmas one, was that a new show? No, no, no. So The Shite Feminist is a show, The Shite Feminist. Oh, The Shite Feminist.

famous but there was a Christmas edition I just had dancers in a snow machine and Christmas trees cost a fortune so are you right and sorry continue and then I'll ask you a question continue what you're saying that's it that was it okay sorry

So are you writing on something new now? Yes. Are you working on something new? I am but I'm cautious to not rush into that because I still think there are lots of people who are like I didn't manage to get tickets to the Shite Feminist. Yeah. And it's something I it's a show I really love and I worked hard on so why would I rush out of that onto the next thing? Yeah. And I do think sometimes in the industry it's like okay next show Edinburgh Fringe next year and we'll do the cycle

all again I'm like who makes those rules who says it has to be maybe at the Edinburgh Fringe I do a week of Shite Feminist for people in Edinburgh who haven't seen it and then a week of Work in Progress of a new show okay which is very like Work in Progress is you charge less for the tickets and it's very everyone has the understanding that you've just written this and if jokes don't work you'll take them out or if stories don't work and then you'll edit it each night okay yeah are you feeling pressure now because I know for my friends who are musicians and you know if like you go on a tour and then when you're finished you're kind of like

Well, I suppose you have your Olympia show now to look forward to. Thank God. But is there a bit of like a deflation afterwards? Or are you actually just relieved that it's finished? No, I'm not relieved. I could have done on and on and on. Yeah. Yeah, I fucking loved it. I think it was when I had the girls, the dancers for the Christmas shows, and I worked with Adam Fogarty as a choreographer. It was way less lonely. Yeah. It has been the loneliest time of my life. The happiest time of my life, but I...

like I've said so many times before, I'm sure people are sick of hearing me say this, but I grew up doing theatre with at least 40, 50, 60 people, a full orchestra, directors, costume designers, like a family that move into a theatre and live there for a few months. Or, you know, you're doing rehearsals every day and you become, it's like going to Irish college. You become so close to these people. That was an awful time. But anyway, and then suddenly I was just,

writing a script by myself, rehearsing by myself, if I even decided to rehearse by myself in my living room or bedroom, and then getting up on stage by myself and sitting in a dressing room by myself. And as much as I love my mum and my managers, when they're like, that was really good. I'm like, but you don't, you didn't have the shared experience up there with me on stage of when this happened and that happened. So having the dancers there was just...

people in the dressing room before who had the excitement of about to go out on stage and after being like oh there was such a good buzz the audience was great that night it was weird when that happened and I could have gone on and on and on and on okay I feel a little sad that it's over yeah so do you think you'll do that now for your next shows so Olympia I'm gonna have

a big ass production okay great that's so fun like your one I saw clips of it you know Maddie Grace is that her name yeah she was in musical theatre as well very one woman cabaret she did her one woman show but like with the whole production yeah I just way prefer it I'm a theatre kid yeah I want costume changes I want glitter bombs I want dancers I want props I want like I find it so fun when the whole audience is singing something yeah that's so cool

That's so fun. I have ideas. I'm so excited. Oh my God, I really want to go. Will you give me a pre-sale ticket? Yeah, I'll give you a ticket. No, they're on sale. Oh, they're on sale. They're on sale. Okay, I'll have to buy one. Can I get a box seat? I don't know how the interview works. Can I buy them? Can I buy a box seat? Maybe one for guests. I want to go VIP. Yeah, I'll get you VIP. Don't you worry. Don't you worry. Can I just stand on the sidewalk? Nice and on stage. Can I do a piece? 100%.

I wanted to I did musical theatre as well I know I'm sorry Billy Barry no me and when I did the Quirk show it was with Padraig I always say Padraig by accent Padraig oh my god I love

I love Paul Drake he's so funny I when I was in Cork went out with him and his friend he is fucking gas so funny but we were supposed to do a piece from High School Musical as the intro for the podcast show because he was the guest and then he texted me the day before and he was like I'm sorry girl I was in Ibiza I haven't had a chance to look at them and I was like it's fine we'll leave it

Good. Everyone loved my musical, even if they were telling it like they hate it. I know. On Louise McShire's show, they opened with a number from Wicked. It was absolutely hilarious. Really? Yeah, it was so fun. Oh, that's so good. Yeah. Singing is, it improves your mental health. Like, you feel better when you sing. Yeah, it releases hair tone. Yes. I should get into the singing again. You should. Yeah. Would you, like, take up singing lessons or anything? Your family are musical. I know, yeah. Me and Sarah Sher were going to write...

a punk EP together okay like start a punk girl band okay well we never have time do you know no no you don't I don't have time I have so much time I'm literally developing an app at the moment okay so I don't have any time why for fun no for a business I have investors and everything oh shit oh no fully can you tell me what it's like yeah it's fuck oh oh my god that is genius genius

Oh yeah, how's your social battery actually with Christmas at the moment? With Christmas, it's funny. It's like, even my mum's feeling affected. I always go back to my mum. It's just, I think,

doing the shows I always get exhausted because I'm up on stage by myself and I'm this character people don't understand that I'm a character on stage like a very heightened version of a stereotype of myself when I was younger like a very South Dublin small minded privileged little white girl and like I say things that are outrageous that I know are outrageous and that's why they're funny Does anyone take them the wrong way and think it's actually you and be like well sure you wouldn't know you wouldn't hear the feedback I wouldn't hear the feedback I think people online take it the wrong way sometimes a lot of people but also they're not

like smart enough to cop that my humor did anything like not that my humor is smart but I think you have to have some level of cop on to know that it's it's quite obvious to me that it's humor but I think there are like cynics who you know remember last time I was talking about my accent yeah and I didn't mind it before and I don't totally mind it now but like sometimes I could literally be on there talking about like my antidepressant medication and someone would be like horseplay

Or like absolutely... Like horseplay. Are you like absolutely sending it? And I just block straight away because I'm like, you're never ever going to see me for anything more than my accents. And I get it. My accent's really annoying and there are really bad connotations with my accent. But I'm also human. Do you know what I mean? And you're never going to see past that and that's fine. I'll just block you. But my social battery, I think sometimes when I come off stage and people see me around my shows, they expect me to be like that character of like, girl, hey. Performing. Performing. And so the performance does carry on off the stage a little bit if I see people after the show.

So sometimes I go out and I like hug people after the show and like do photos or whatever. But sometimes I'm just slipping out the back door because I'm literally like so fucking tired. Yeah. And my social battery around Christmas, I spend a lot of time alone and like protecting my peace and alone with my family as well. So it's actually fine. And now that I don't have to go into offices anymore, like...

It's actually fun. I love spending time alone. Yeah, same. We had our agent, like my management's Christmas party and I was so anxious I was getting sick all day. So I just didn't go. Physically? Oh yeah, no, fully. I was like, I know, yeah. I don't know why. My sister, you're like... You had social anxiety? I never felt like I had it before and then all of a sudden now for some reason it's only in the last year really. Now I know actually what triggered it but I won't talk about it online. But...

Yeah the last year I like get really worked up Or like think everyone hates me Do you know what that was? 100 I'm new Semi new to my management And when I went to the Christmas party I didn't even drink Because I was just like This is just isn't If I drink it's not gonna end well I might embarrass myself Also like all these Like I was sitting at that table With people who When I was a fucking teenager Were really fucking famous It's still like

household names but it's like how am I eating dinner three seats away from this person do you know what I mean and I just I felt yeah it's very uncomfortable isn't it yeah I was like I couldn't go to dinner with Donald Ski and what would I even say to him oh my god

Did you see the sketch that they did of Donald skiing? I loved it but it's like this comedy skit that someone did and it was a group of people and they like pretended that Donald skiing was like very different off camera. Shut the fuck up. Come on get me my line. And then the cameraman is like and we're going live in 10. Donald the fag behind you. Check it out. Hello guys. It's just such a good skit. No but he's obviously very like obviously very innocent.

Of course. It was just fucking hilarious. That's why it's funny. That's why it's funny. I'm not liking any claims about Jonah's gears. Jonah's gears. I'd love to have a thing like him when I'm older. I'd love to have a cooking show.

Would you? Yeah. Like a Martha Stewart but comedic and a good person. That would be so good because it would be funny. Yeah, I'd fucking love it. I'd love it. Like a Nigella Lawson kind of Anna Garten thing. Yeah. I'd fucking love it. I watched, I remember when I was a teenager I'd always watch the Nigella Lawson Christmas show. The Christmas cooking show. And I was just like, and then I think I was actually getting some feelings for her. Like I was so...

Keelan, Keelan, I was like, is this normal to love this person so much? I'm not sure if I wanted to be my mother, but I wanted to hold me on that bosom. I don't know. I don't know. And you would imagine the warm bosom across your feet, your cheeks. She's just so gentle. So gentle. But like, do I want to be her or like, do I want to marry her? And then I was like, I'm getting sexual feelings. I feel like a pervert. I think I was too young for the sexual feelings, but I definitely knew I always like, I wanted her to be in my life.

And then with the coke scandal I was kind of like I actually love her No I was like I love her more Really? Because she's a little bit damaged And I was like That makes me feel more normal Do you know I think like I was so protective I didn't even know what coke was I was kind of like You are a sick bastard Like no one in the world Does drugs And I think that was To me like Finding out Santa wasn't real That was very much No I was literally like Oh my god She could actually be A part of my family now Cut that Cut the cameras

How are you finding Ireland at the moment? Because you were saying you're happy that everyone's coming back from London. How are you actually finding it day to day?

Day to day Now at the moment Over Christmas I found it Just before Christmas I found it so lonely Really? Really because I was kind of You know when you come out Of like a lag I was so busy For the whole year That I didn't even I was kind of You know doing events I went to Australia I went to Croatia I went to London And Sicily And all these places So I was like doing all that When you're doing shows You kind of feel like A bit pumped up And then when I came to A bit of a lag in November When you're I was just doing ads And that can be so lonely And kind of a bit boring Very boring yeah So I was doing all that And then I was like Oh yeah

I'm at home on my phone editing videos of myself all day. Yeah. And it's just like I'm not learning anything new. I'm not getting stimulated. I'm not talking to anyone. So then I'm not living. Yeah, I'm not living. I'm not, you know, I'm not doing anything. And I remember when I was doing the Her.ie podcast, I go in to do my interviews. I literally show up an hour early so I can talk to Juliet at the desk and be like the girls hang out with people. Yeah. Stay for the stay for the break. I wouldn't leave the building because I was like it was so nice to talk to people my own age.

Especially with Bea now I feel like I'm such a better parent when I have that like I've gotten fulfilled throughout the day otherwise I'm at home kind of getting irritated. Irritated of course. Or like wanting to go on my phone to feel a bit of like feel something. Anything yeah. So it is real and where we live is so it's a bit isolated. It's not connected and it's not you know I'm used to living near the sea and feeling a bit of like relief from that whereas I'm halfway up the double mountains now and it's like

There's no paths on the road. I can't even run out for a walk. No, I can't even go out for a walk. I have to go into the car and drive somewhere to go for a walk. So it's not the same. Especially with ADHD. I could at 11 at night, I could be like, I need to walk into town. Yeah. My whole family finds it frustrating how many things I need to do in a day. It could be literally midnight. I'm like, I'm going to make mince pies from scratch now. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And I do feel in London...

I actually think London's great for my ADHD because I can go, just get on a train or a bus and go anywhere. Yeah. And that's my idea of like heaven. Whereas there's only so many times I can walk around Ranelagh. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, I'm walking out. Relatable?

You're like, sick around a lot. Sick fucking around a lot. I'm sorry to call you guys. I actually have so much choice though for independent businesses and artists and stuff in Ireland. In Dublin. I will say. In Ireland, 100%. There's so much. Now, because when I was doing my traveling and as well, I will vouch for Irish food and produce is you actually can't compare it to anywhere else in the world. I would even argue it was better than food in Italy that I had. I was like, food in Ireland is like,

the best in the whole world I was sick when I was in America like I came back there's a video I did with squid loyalty and you can see I watched it the other day I don't look myself like I'm so swollen and like milk in America doesn't go off do you know like all that kind of shite no the Irish food even the Irish air and water can you like the first thing I do when I come home from London is have a glass of tap water yeah there's no better feeling you can feel you can actually smell the difference no the

The air in Australia actually smells different. It's like, if it's thicker, the air in Ireland is, like, so high quality. Because, obviously, we're a small island, we're near the sea. It's just something about the fresh seawater that is so healing. It's so healing. It's really good. Like, Ireland is actually... Class. Class. As a country... Now, obviously, the fucking... The systems in place aren't great. But, like, as a country, as a place, it's, like, fantastic. Do you know what? I re-fell in love with Ireland when I did...

I did two nights in Cork and two nights in Galway and we drove from Cork to Galway. And I was like, Galway is the best place I've ever been in Ireland. It's so good. Every single person there was so nice. Every pub we went to, I met some of my friends from college who are from Galway and we just went out. There was live music and it was like a random fucking night. And it was just...

amazing everyone was singing Irish songs and dancing and the coffee shop we went to was amazing and we were talking to the owner and it was just like this is so cool like this is so fucking cool Galway is insane it's really good I love Galway it's my favourite place in Ireland really? Kerry's my favourite I do love like Cork and Kerry and Blue Water Bay in Llangarif where my grandad's from it's stunning like if it's a sunny day there it looks like it's a like

Bali I've not been to Bali but like somewhere exotic like that Irish people love doing that yeah I swear to God you could be in Sanford Pez and you're like Bali cotton some Bali in the bracket we were

like anytime I go to London, even when I lived in London, I'd be like, this is really like Camden Street. Or I'd be like, this is really like Drury Street, you know, to make comparisons all the time. This reminds me of home, you know. Everything. Everything. When we moved to London, we became ambassadors for Ireland. No, yeah, that's it. Like complete, like, you know, well, you know, this wouldn't happen on the Tube in Ireland, on the Lewis in Ireland. You know, people aren't rude. Anytime I trip and fall in London, I feel like bursting with tears and screaming at everyone, if I was alive!

Someone would help me up. People just ignore you in London. Oh, it's horrible. It is, but like, everyone loves that anecdote. It's just like, get over it. It's just a big city and everyone has, you know, shit to do. Do you know what I mean? Just get over it. If you think it's bad in London, New York is like, oh, it's like, I've seen videos of people on the, on the, that, whatever that, is that the tube? The tube as well? Yeah, whatever. The tube. And there was a snake on it. People were just ignoring it. Or rats running around. Bye. Bye.

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