the beauty of getting older: from chaotic 20s to confident 30s
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That was brilliant. See, this is why it's good having a podcast. You know all the tricks. I'm usually just like, come on and snuggle into the mic.

Come on in girls, we're sharing mics today. - And I was just like my breath on them the whole time. - Sorry about you, it's not your fault. Okay, thanks so much Jenny for coming on to speak about advice from women in their 30s. - Yes. - I don't know why it just feels like a real pivotal moment of a woman's life. - Yeah. - Is it mainly to do with the influence of like the body clock? I think that's why it is. - I think it's a mix of things. I was thinking about it. Like, I think it's because really it's your first transition

in adult life of decades where like there's a bit more on the line like going from a teenager into your 20s like I remember being like oh my god I'm so turning 20 but like you're kind of doing it tongue-in-cheek and also everything that you can get in your 20s like when you're from the perspective of a teenager is like so fun it's like more freedom I can like get a job or I'm in college so like the 20s just is always portrayed as very much like

you know, your era for like having a lot of fun. But I think coming into your 30s, like you've lived a decade in adulthood. So it kind of feels a bit more serious or like it feels like, you know, oh, I'm really chipping away at the old decades now. And I think there's the biological clock stuff too. Like I think that's kind of always something for women anyway, that's in, it is in your mind. You're like, oh God, you know.

Geriatric vibes. Have you felt that pressure now? Because you've got your house, got married. Yeah. So it's like the next thing on the path. It is, yeah. And it's like, it's funny because like the way that just like life works out, like...

you know if you ask me like what i want to be you know because i do i would like to you know have a family but like now i am 35 i'm like that is just like genuinely like medically what they call a pregnancy of my age and over is a geriatric pregnancy which is like stunning it doesn't make any sense i know i should tell that to the doctor like what if i've been getting botox since 27

Does that count? Yeah. Does that? Is it like the substance? Like I can go back a few years. But, you know, I think like sometimes no matter how young you feel, like you always feel young. Like I remember my granny, she was 99 when she died. And I remember like when she turned 99, I was like, what's it like? Like, it must be mad. She's like, I still feel 16. Like, I don't think you ever really in yourself

feel your age. Like I, no matter the age I've been, I've always just thought everyone else is my age. Like I kind of just approach other people as my age. Yeah. So what age do you feel like you are?

I did like I mean what age do I feel like I am I think it's like such a it's kind of an abstract question I know I feel also you know and I know everyone brings up but like COVID did kind of screwed up and like I turned 30 right before COVID and I came out of COVID 33 and I was like the fuck like that was like a bit of a jump you know so I think like when I think COVID did kind of

skew how you feel like I'd probably put myself like at a comfortable 32 but I'm 35 36 this year yeah well to stay I suppose in the early 30s yeah I mean like I guess it depends on how you define it because you know

I don't feel like I've always had that kind of pressure on myself of like achieving things by certain ages. I don't want to know why I haven't really had that. Your free spirit. Free spirit. You know, I think it was a lot of my friends. I've always had friends from very like plus and minus five years. Oh, yeah.

And I've always seen like some of my friends got married really young or had kids young. Some of my friends, you know, are close to 40 and have no kids. So I've kind of seen a lot of different experiences. So I feel like I've never had like a real litmus to compare myself to.

Do you know what I mean? Which I think is a good thing, like having different people in different kind of ways of living, you know, like I've had friends who've gone back to college at like 33, you know, one of my friends getting a fucking divorce and she's like 37, you know, so it's like so random how people's lives can turn out at different ages. And I think as you get older, you do kind of see that where you're like, oh,

this is all bullshit, the whole like, these are the things you do when you get to a certain age, you know, but there's always the pressure, I think. I think where you live as well has such an influence on what direction you feel like you need to go in. I don't know whether it's just Ireland in particular, but here it feels more traditional in a sense where it's quite rigid, whereas my friends in London...

it's they have so many different options for different paths they want to take whereas here i feel like there's only one way i can go down where i'll be accepted or yeah it feels like the right thing to do yeah i think like especially irish people are like obsessed for owning houses like i think we're so obsessed with the idea of like owning a property like it's like we're like we need road front it's like the one thing i need to do is get the biggest loan of my life

indebted for 35 years like no that is living you know what I mean and it's obviously you know there's all sorts of reasons why like you know the setup we're not it's not set up for like long-term renting or whatever else blah blah um Ireland does have I think you know I think it's just the usual Catholic kind of hangover we we do very much appreciate when people are married we're like don't mind if you're gay straight once you're married and

then we'll take it seriously you know and um you know I think I guess it depends on like probably Dublin less so you know we're probably a bit more progressive and it's the same over in the UK you know London it's it's such a metropolitan area people move there for like especially like artistic pursuits those people are probably less likely to chase more kind of

conservative values you know so I guess big cities kind of same in New York all those places like and then there's good there's pluses and minuses to that too because then sometimes like I know my age like loads of people moved to London when I was younger as well because I was in college during the recession so so many people when we finished college fucked off to London fucked off to New York I went to New York for a year they all came back they all end up moving back but it's funny then you see like

sometimes when you get into your 30s then you have these people who move back to Dublin for whatever reason usually it's family like they want to be close their mom and dad as they get older and all that kind of stuff and like there's like a 50 50 split in your like friend group from school because it's like half them are married with kids and half them are like just come back from like traveling in Thailand or like living in a like co-op in London and it's like there's such a big like divergence in how you've lived your life that's one thing I always say to people who are like worried about people emigrating I'm like don't worry they'll all come crawling back

When you're in your 30s, they all go and roll them back. A lot of them do. That's comforting. Because if they want to have kids, especially if they're in Australia, they don't really, they want to be around their mom and dad or their close family to help them. And not everyone, but most of the time, from my experience, I think it was like, I'd say like eight out of 10 people who emigrated and people who lived there for a long time all came back around 30 or so. Okay. So I have three years until all my friends are back. And then you can be like, oh,

I mean now you can babysit while I go out. Yeah I'm on my like you're on your second leg then they'll have you getting pregnant you're like lovely designated driver. And I've done it just if my tubes are tied by then. I know you were saying but obviously the people can't read our texts but for is there anything you miss about being younger or your 20s? I think you always have that um a bit of nostalgia toward it like I was saying to you that like

I miss the concept of hanging out. Yeah. That, I mean, it starts to fade in your later 20s, definitely, because people get jobs and have more commitments or they've got like a serious relationship or they're living with their partner. But that was like such a buzz. Like, I loved that. Or like,

you know, we'd all, in my early 20s, a crew of us would, like, all go for pre-drinks and then we'd go out that night. I don't really miss the going out part at all, but, like, then we'd stay in that apartment and, like, the next day we'd all just, like, rot together and, like, there was no time constraints, like...

Sometimes people would have to go to work But they'd just come back And that kind of You know Hanging out Was so fun And I think you don't realise How fun that is And I think because Like this show Of shows like Friends and stuff Which sounds so cheap But genuinely I think I thought That that would still happen Yeah When I'm older It's like Oh we get apartments next door Yeah Exactly You're like We'll get apartments next door We'll work in the cafe downstairs Like all those things Minimum wage And get a Manhattan apartment Yeah Upper west side

I think I you just don't ever see that as not happening and you do see your friends obviously but it's just way more controlled and that's understandable like I don't have fucking time to be home you know but I love the idea of it or like being able to go to someone's house and just like sit around all day but if someone did that to my house I'd be like when are you leaving?

Fuck you. You've been here for a long time. It's like, wow, six hours. Like, they're like, ah, do you want to watch a movie? Like, I mean, obviously I wouldn't do it now, but that in my twenties was so fun. And I think that's a real, it's a, it's a real, like when I think of my twenties, that's what I think of. Like, just like hanging around friends and kind of just like shooting the shit and having like so many options of things to do and like floating around town, buying one coffee in like,

What's that second place? Metro? Oh, Metro. Very that. Like sitting outside with one cup of coffee, smoking cigarettes. That's what Saoirse does. Yeah, she's like, I'm just going to go to Metro and read. I mean, it's such a fab spot. I love that. And you book into people. Oh yeah, and you have great people watching. Yeah. But like that was around and like, you know, just being the most annoying customers. Like one coffee. Great. And we were like, why aren't they being nice to us? It's like, I wonder why. Yeah.

But, like, those kind of things, like, I wouldn't say I miss them, but I would, like, cherish them. And I, like, I kind of think, like, oh, I didn't realize that that wouldn't happen as I grew older, you know. But, like, I'm very at peace with how I lived my 20s. Like, I had a lot of fun, loads of fun. I went out all the time. I think I had a good balance, you know, of...

just kind of living my life but also you know went away for a while and all those kinds of things and I'm glad like I don't think there's any point in really like regretting or like I'm also really happy I'm not like yearning for that time again I'm like I'm very much like when I was turning 30 I was very much like I had a great time in my 20s like you know when at a party when you're like

I'm leaving now yeah fabulous time but I'm not going to stay any longer and make a film myself you know what I mean very much felt like that oh that's brilliant yeah that's perfect now it's like get the google calendar out I'll try meet up with friends maybe every six months three would be whoa I was at about two months I mean especially when people have babies you know your friends aren't having kids um it's very much like couples meeting up going for dinners like that kind of which I love yeah

But it's much more organized. Now, I'm sure loads of people have different experiences. That's just how it is for myself and my friends. And they're all over the place as well, you know? Like, you end up... I've never been a big group person, like, even in school. Like, I've always had, like... You're probably similar to me. I've always had, like, very much, like, individual friendships. Or if there are groups, they're, like, groups of, like, these three people all know each other and stuff like that. So, you know, I feel by the time you can actually, like, meet all those people, it can take...

But like, shit, that's what texting's for, isn't it? Like, I love a good text relationship. Your voice notes are perfect. Like, me and James Cavanaugh have been friends since we were 19. So that's like 15 years now. And like, I probably see him once a year. And it's like at my own wedding. Could you talk as well about, because you've had a few...

career changes but also going with the flow yeah I think and I think that's why when people ask me now like I've always and I said it to you before like I'm I've always been so bad with like visualizing like the concept of like five years I don't know like people saying you know plan ahead like your five-year plan and obviously there's like things within that that you want to achieve like naturally but because of the way that my life's gone I feel like if

If you asked me at 20 where I wanted to be at 25, I wouldn't have been even able to conceive of what I was doing then. And same 25 to 30 and same 30 to 35. So it's like that has always made me be real like, oh, well, what's the fucking point? And sometimes then I feel like, oh, my God, if I did plan, like if I did have a real strict five year plan, would I have like...

you know rejected different options that have got me to where I am today yeah yeah I always think that you know it's like because you're like it doesn't align yeah like you're following the road like you know exactly you could be like oh well I can't do that because the five-year plan is x or like you know if I say for example if I really wanted to own a house by 30 like would I have taken one so like if anyone doesn't know I worked in marketing for years after college and they

Then I had a podcast and I got made redundant one day. It was actually so traumatizing. Like I went on holidays, right, to New York, had a ball, came back and I had like a meeting in my calendar, like a review, which is like normal enough. So I was like, Grant.

Went into the view It was like Hey guys They're like We are making your position redundant I was like You're fucking What? Like I was so shook It was like getting A boyfriend meeting up with you That you're so happy with And just like Dumping your ass I was like Oh my god It never happened to me before And I was like

probably about to turn 28 and like it was kind of my first job where I was really making like a comfortable living before that like it just it felt like it was taking me ages to get to a place where like I could have like you know got my own apartment or whatever and I was like oh

Like oh my god. I cannot believe now. I have to. Kind of. Start again. It felt like. But I had my podcast. So I ended up just seeing. How that could go. And then obviously that. You know. Whatever steamrolled into. Me doing what I am now. But I'm like. If I really wanted to. Stick to my five year plan. If I had one. Say to own a house at 30. I probably would have just got a job. Because like.

You can't really apply for Yeah A mortgage when you're A newly Self-employed Self-employed person You have to have way more years Behind you and all that kind of stuff So I always think of that I'm like oh Would I have made different choices Because I can be quite like rigid If I do have a plan Mm

I can be very like Okay no we're just doing it I'm not a huge partner But when I do Set my mind to something Like I will just kind of Tunnel vision on it You know So I guess because My career and stuff For one aspect of my life Has changed so much That I always I always just think that Like if you asked me at 25 I wouldn't have been able To tell you At 30 I'd be doing this You know And you know Even now I'm like Who knows at 40 Like I could be saying The exact same thing Or I could be doing The same thing Fucking hopefully I'm

I always think back of Going to tell myself My teenage self What I'm doing You're a podcaster I know What is that? I liked to exist When I was a teenager Well like Even when I was in college There wasn't even influencers Like It was like 2010 I'd be Writing the most insane shit On my Tumblr And then Linking it On my Facebook Every time I uploaded it

I cannot believe Like a few years ago I went into my Tumblr And like archived Loads of stuff Because there was loads Of like semi-nude photos And all that kind of shit And I was like I mean I'm not embarrassed by it But I'm like Don't worry You know what Just in case And I went through Some stuff I was like I cannot believe I was writing these Like basically diary entries And then like linking On Facebook Being like new post

What the fuck? That is like the first podcast though. Oh, 100%. Because we're just like, listen to what's going on in my head, everyone. No boundaries. Fully. You know, it was mental. So like, I, so I was real into Tumblr, but like there was no, I couldn't have even have conceived of like podcasting as a career or like social media as a career. I was like, well, in my mind then I'd be like, well, I'm posting on Facebook and getting paid for it. Like Instagram wasn't around. I always think that, especially with technology, it's like, it is true. It's like so like,

New jobs pop up Some jobs go But then some jobs pop up That you're like Didn't even exist I know adapt or die I love that kind of Um

the drive to like, I don't know what my next paycheck is going to be. Oh yeah, I know, the cortisol. It's just like, I did that job, but I didn't get, you know, randomly. And you're like, I didn't get paid for that six months ago. I know, yeah. Oh, I should probably check on that then. One of the questions was, are you living with any regret or do you mourn your youth in any way? So someone said, I regret not appreciating things when I had them. Trying to change people rather than accepting who they are. Question two was, is there any something you could go back and tell your teenage or 20-something self?

Your wants change as you get older. Be flexible and willing to go with what life offers you. Sometimes you might not get what you initially wanted, but don't lose out on what you were given by fixating on your losses. That's good. That's a little bit of what you were throwing down. Yeah, I guess so. I think like...

I've always You know when people are like You get that the other time It's like What would you tell Your 16 year old self I'm like jeez I actually wouldn't have a clue Other than like baseline stuff I'd be like Will you break up with that fella Like do you know what I mean But I always think this as well If I went back to my 16 year old self She would literally hate me Oh do you think Oh she wouldn't want to talk to me She'd just be like What the fuck is wrong with you Get away from me Yeah I'd be like You're so old Yeah Oh my god you're so old Like what Or she would think She'd be like You're such a loser Yeah

You know, some people are like, your younger self would be so proud. And I was like, my younger self was a biatch. You're like, she would actually hate me. I think my younger self would cry. She'd be like, 35. Because I think I would, like, randomly be like, I'm going to die at 27. You know, like, being obsessed with, like, Janis Joplin or something. I'm like, yeah, right, Jenny. You won't die, nor will you want to. Actually, you'll be cripplingly afraid. Passing of time. The funny thing is, is, like, so much of what our parents say is so true. Like, the whole, like, every, like, the older you get, the time goes so fast now.

Like it's really scary how fast time goes and the concept of a month when you were 16 versus a month now is just so different. But I also don't think like you can tell your younger self anything because you're meant to experience it with the mind of a teenager. Yeah. You're not supposed to have the concept of time that you have when you're 35 or 27 when you're 16. You know, it's like time is meant to feel really long and the school year does feel like a drag and...

20 feels eons away when you're 16. But now when I think of four years away, I'm like, Jesus, that's like next week. I think I wouldn't say anything to my 16 year old self. I would genuinely just let them make the mistakes or learn the lessons that they did learn at that age, you know, because there's nothing you can tell a 16 year old for a reason. They have to figure it out by themselves. No, exactly. And it probably feels so long because you don't have that

idea that time's moving so fast. Like, if you think to yourself, time's moving so fast, it's going to go faster. Totally. And you, because you're not living in the moment, man. No, that's true. And we didn't have phones or anything like that. So we actually were 100% present with our thoughts, with our feelings, with other people around us. Nostalgia is a fun thing. It's a fun concept, like to look back on your teenage years and they kind of play out like a book, you know, but like, it's,

It's never like bittersweet or anything. Obviously some parts of it were bad but like

I think even the passing of time from when you're 30, like you're supposed to then look back on those years. I was like, oh, but like it's never the same, you know, it's never like. But you can be nostalgic for anything. Yes. You know, I was nostalgic then at one point for COVID. I was like, I was literally miserable. You know, what's wrong with me? In the moment, you're like, this is horrible. I want it to be over. But then I'm looking back now being like, oh, the freedom I had to bake bread whenever I wanted to. A bit of alone time, you know.

Time's going a bit slower. I know and I think like there's so much beauty to experience nostalgia because it is like so nice but like you can't be stuck in it you know it's like there's nothing worse than that person you know who's like longing and pining for a time that's like it's been and done. Yeah. Like that happened and we experienced it then let's move on you know look back at it fondly or whatever or you know even look back on it negatively and like learn from it but like you can't

You can't only look back on something negatively because then you grow bitter. And if you just live in nostalgia, you're just living in the past. You know, it's like, pick it up. Grow up, baby. Grow up, y'all. The world's happening. And it ain't stopping. No, I always look back as well on early 20s. They were just so chaotic. But like you were saying as well to me, I would never relive them. No, I don't think I could ever do that again. I would prefer to do my teenage years again.

I mean I would do my teenage years but only if I could do it knowing everything I know now. Yeah. I don't think I'd go back on raw dog at all again. No no no no no. And I wouldn't want to be a teenager now to be honest. I would like the era that I was a teenager was so much fun. And yeah to go back now like I still get the odd like

dream I'm back in school but like we're all my age oh yeah do you know what I mean but we have to go back to school it's always like the leaving cert isn't real anymore you have to go back and repeat it and I'm like okay and that is so fun like I found out they're knocking down my school and rebuilding it and I'm like oh yeah I'm in Temple they're knocking it down and rebuilding it and I feel so like nostalgic I'm like those halls yeah

Even though they were like in bits. You probably have your initials carved somewhere. Somewhere, I'm sure. Yeah, I prefer to do my teenage years. My 20s, no, you couldn't. Like genuinely. And I think that's something that sometimes people, especially in their early 20s, could never conceive of. Like not wanting. Because it's always told you as like the most fun time. But I felt like my 20s were way more rough than my teenage years. In terms of like what you learn about yourself and...

There's more responsibility and it's kind of, there is a lot of pressure on you to figure something out or build yourself up, build your life up to a point so that when you're 30, you're like in a solid position. I had like a long-term relationship in my 20s. It broke up with him when I was like 29, you know, which some people could be afraid of because you're like, fuck, no one really wants to be newly single at 29, you know, after like putting in a few years. And then when did you get with Evan? Same year.

The same year Yeah That's very lucky I know You met your husband In the same year And now engaged The year after I would be scared now Like even when I broke up With Jason After having a baby I was going I'm never going to meet anyone I lost my window Yeah I was feeling so much pressure My body was completely different I was like Who's going to want To go out with a man Yeah

- You get the child, you know, the big package. But I always thought that was like, people aren't gonna be attracted to me at a certain age and I'm gonna have to find someone now so that we can love each other as we age and like I get saggy and older. Do you know that I always had that sort of romanticized in my head where it's like, you're growing old together. And maybe it was the fear that my parents like were married for so long and then randomly got divorced

And it was just, you know, you've missed basically your whole life being married to a man and then you have to start all over again. Yeah. So when I, when me and Jason broke up, I was like, I have to get with someone quickly now. Oh yeah. This is my rigged out of like, I'm going to be my most beautiful, my most youthful, you know, I'm still in my prime. Then when I actually was dating, I was like, this is horrible. Really? Yeah. I was like, this is really horrible. Yeah. And it's so complicated trying to date someone when you already have a kid. I'd say, especially when you're in your twenties, because like,

to be honest when you're my age like I'd say it's way easier yeah because loads of people especially people who have had kids say maybe in their like mid to later 20s they all end up breaking up like mid 30s a lot of times not you but you know we tried splitting up and it didn't work yeah yeah exactly you're you've already done that back together you know but it does happen quite often like I can imagine it's probably like you know say you have a kid at 25 and

10 years go by And then you're like Who the fuck did I marry man You know that can happen Because like you're so different 25 to 35 is a big jump You know So I think it's probably easier In your 30s To have a kid Like I mean say for example If I was single now Like if a guy had a kid It would obviously be like Oh you know That's obviously

A bit of extra Not baggage I don't want to call it baggage But It's your responsibility Yeah Because you're taking on The role of like A step parent Exactly It is an important responsibility Totally And yeah There's other relationships That you'll have to navigate Like baby mamas And other you know In-laws And all that kind of stuff Which is totally doable But it is kind of like When you go on one date With someone You're like whoa You know Am I ready for that now But like if I mean

You wouldn't really bat an eyelid too much Because it's quite common But like say when I was 25 Jesus Titan a guy with a fucking baby No way Like I wouldn't have Like I know I would have been like Absolutely not No Absolutely not So it's probably easier in your 30s If you do If you have a child Yeah

Like at least you have A fucking baby And you can date other people Probably who have kids Or are in a split up as well Yeah because there is no Biological clock on romance But there is on babies Yeah So count yourself lucky I'd say Like because you've Got rid of the elf Like he's not working anymore You have the baby though Stunning So no pressure No

You have the baby You're like You don't have to be Finding someone to like You know Yeah to reproduce Yeah You're just like I have that sorted Now I can just date To be passionate Yeah And like I think it's I think as you get older It's more normalised I think And especially nowadays You know obviously Probably like Years ago it wasn't But like nowadays It's like You know If your friend is like Dating a guy with a kid You'd be like aww You're not like Oh Jesus Jesus

So I'd be a bit of a red flag on your half, you know, unless you really like didn't want children. But then it's a kind of easy decision. You're like, oh, no, thanks. Yeah, yeah, it's fair enough. I don't have a fear of growing older at all, really. Like, but I do have a fear of like my mortality. Like that does kind of scare me a little bit. Of dying? Well, just every year, like say, for example, my last birthday, I turned 35 and it was probably the first birthday I've had where I've been like,

I cannot believe this is my age but it's not in a way of like I'm an old woman or like negative it's more like I'm like whoa that's like half my life it could be no like that's what I could be but I'm like 70 like another 35 years is 70 yeah and then like you so I do think that I'm like whoa like that's a it's a big age in that sense but I don't have it in a sense of like

Oh my god I've got more wrinkles. Or I'm this or I'm that. You know like I've never. Thankfully I haven't had that too much. Probably in my mid-twenties I did a bit. Because you do notice a bit more changes. Like your metabolism. Or like you do start to get wrinkles and shit. Which we are like whoa okay. Gray hair is alright. But that scares me more. Which I think is probably a healthier way. It can be a little bit anxiety ridden. But like.

I prefer to be afraid of that than like afraid of the inevitable, which is just getting older. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like I hate when I see, and I, I, I have a funny relationship with it when I see people like women in their twenties talking about turning, going into their thirties quite negatively, but I understand it because I probably did it. You know what I mean? So it's not in a way of like high and mighty, but I am like,

It's so young to turn 30. Like it really is. Your life is just beginning. And I remember when I was probably around your age, I was working in Benefit and a friend of mine, I'm so really good friends with Kim. She was a bit older than me. I'd say she was maybe like

Maybe 32 or 33 at the time And I remember I was turning 27 And I remember being like I'm so old And she was like She was fucking She still is She was from Derry So straight up And she was like Shut the fuck up Like she just like Was like shut up Saying that

bollocks and she was like I was so afraid of turning 30 and literally every single year of my life into my 30s has been better and better and better and better and I remember when she said that it was so comforting and then I never feared it and it has everything she said came true like every year of your 30s is just better like how is it better you just like know yourself more and obviously like I think you know it comes with some

maybe having good self-exploration in your 20s but I think inevitably you will know yourself pretty well in your 30s and there's just so much like so many like behaviours that I would do in my 20s were like maybe like people pleasing or

Trying to be something I'm not Or Ira's real trying to be cool Yeah In my early 20s And that That literally goes out the door In your 30s I'm like so far removed From anything You would ever do I think anyway And that would be the Yeah like the trying to be cool And to the point where like You can see when people do it But like I don't judge Because I'm like Really?

Like we won't get there. You know what I mean? Like everyone's been like, like trying to be cool. Like, but so those small things, which sound really small, like,

When you are like. Liberated from that. Those kinds of behaviors. Or like. Even thinking. Of that being important. You're just able to enjoy. Your life. So much. Less seriously. Whereas like. People make it out. That you're 30. To become more serious. But like. I think you can actually. Just have a bit more fun. Because. You're not taking everything. You're not like.

Seeing yourself from an outside perspective Of like how am I being perceived And what are they thinking of me And obviously Everyone has those You know Small moments where you're like Oh you're very awkward Like I still feel fucking awkward In social situations All the time But like You know it's less important There's less like It feels like there's less on the line In a good way To learn I mean Like socially Or like

You're like, who cares if someone thinks I'm a fucking dope or like, who cares if I have this weird, awkward moment at a fucking influencer event? Do you know what I mean? Like, you just, you do care less. And you know that, like, in the grand scheme of things, those small little things that would have probably, like, driven me insane in my 20s just aren't really a point of anxiety anymore, you know? So...

I think when you know yourself so well and I'm still getting to know myself, you're able to like live your life

and not in a selfish way just for yourself, but you're able to like live your life in a way that like you know serves you. And sometimes you have to do stuff that you don't really like or sometimes you have to do stuff that is out of your comfort zone. But you know that like, okay, it's for a short period of time and that's okay or whatever else, you know. And I think that has been the biggest lesson so far in my 30s that like you just get to know yourself more and more. And like if you know yourself really well,

And you know, like what makes you comfortable, you know, what makes you tick, you know, what makes you sad, all these things. It means that you can navigate life a lot easier, I think. And I think that that is like the big lesson. If your 20s is for like having fun, I think your 30s is for really like getting to know yourself and getting

From there, like I could only imagine in a decade, like how well I know myself then. I'm like, how much more balls I'll be like, you'll have so much fun. Like you really do, you know. Yeah, because it's like the people who are the most fun really in life are people who just don't have any airs or graces about themselves and like are comfortable in their own skin. And, you know, I'm not even talking physically, you know, I just mean like mentally, you

because that's what you want to be at the end of your life whenever that is you want to be like comfortable in yourself you know just I genuinely do just do mean internally whatever about like physically I think you'll always I mean I'll probably always have like you know things you want to change about yourself physically but it's so pointless and meaningless you know in the grand scheme of things but like

And I think the opposite is true too. Like when you're in your 30s and you might see someone around your age who is maybe acting in a way that you don't or like you could be shocked by. It's usually because like they just don't know what they want or they're desperately searching for it, you know, because... What do you mean by it? Like say, for example, if there's someone...

I don't know, who you would look at and be like, oh, they're being very immature. I think like immaturity is really just like not getting to know yourself because you haven't been comfortable enough to be able to like sit with yourself and be like, and that's like positive and negative things to be like, you know, I can be a bitch like that. I can be selfish in this way or like that decision was bad. And it's not about like scolding yourself. It's more just about like

acknowledging it within yourself but I think it is very easy in life to not do those things so I think the older I get there that's how I've kind of tried to reflect on things instead of like where in my 20s say for example if I had a really big friendship breakup I feel like I would really want to mend things and like that's how I feel like I would be like

Better as a person If I like could fix it Do you know what I mean Or like Get closure Like Yeah that just doesn't exist Closure is The biggest load of bollocks ever Yeah

The most interesting thing is closure. You don't need it. No, it's what you want. I think closure for me is you want an explanation as to why you were rejected. But you don't actually want to know the truth. You want someone to say, oh, it's actually me. And I reject you because you're so hot. Yeah, I reject you because you make me feel bad about myself. No, but it's always going to be, I just don't like you as a person. But it's your brain trying to think of ways to...

Not have that as be the truth Yes You know you don't want to hear those words That someone just doesn't like you for who you are Yeah Whereas if you can get that closure with yourself If you just accept that Yes You know Yeah like there isn't always a way of wrapping up things Like friendship breakups or whatever Or even like romantic breakups Like sometimes it just doesn't fucking work out Yeah And it's shit And like

It is mad that you can be so close to someone one week and the next week hate them and the next week be crying over the fact that you're not like in each of those lives anymore. But like you just where what I meant by that is like when I was younger, as I said, I would chase the closure or chase the reason or try and fix it. But now I just see it as like more of a tool to just have a bit of self-reflection.

and try as corny as it sounds like do just try take something from it even if it's something small do you know what I mean like and it can take you months to actually look back and be like do you know what as much as like I would blame them for this like I was a dope in that situation and it doesn't mean that like I think when I was younger I felt like I used to have to like read out the person be like I'm acknowledging my do you know what I mean like almost from a probably a bit of a like self-righteous point of like I will acknowledge my wrong it's like it's

It's no one else's business. Just like acknowledge it for yourself. And that's how you'll kind of. Grow as a person. Or like. Make. Have closure within yourself. In a way. And like. The peace in yourself. Of like. Okay. I don't accept that behavior from myself. And I'm going to try and not do it anymore. You know. So that's probably like. One of the biggest lessons. That I've learned.

Especially in my 30s specifically. I don't think I learned that in my 20s, but it's like the more I go into my 30s, I kind of learned that about myself a bit more. Rejection is redirection. It's true. And rejection's horrible. I still fucking like, oh, I can't deal with it. Like even for like if there's a job and they're like, they've decided to go another way. I'm like, well, like I will be bruised. But, you know, you move on. Is there anything now going forward? Say if you're like getting a friendship or you're starting a new relationship with someone.

Do you think you have more barriers up? I think I Do I I think I can be I know myself in general It takes me a while to warm up To people But

So I think I've always been like that. I've never made friends super easy. Like even in school, I would always be like, how are people just walking up to people and talking? Like it would. And they're like best mates. Yeah. And they're having sleepovers. They'd be like, talking short. I was like, it would take me months to be like, what? And like, I would feel like when I would be talking to people, I'd be thinking of like the next thing I'm trying to say to them. Cause I'd be so afraid of it. Like either me looking stupid and I'm talking like 10 years old. Like I was like this, you know?

So I've never made friends super quick. So I probably make friends probably easier. I probably make acquaintances, sorry, easier now than I did when I was younger. Yeah. Because I've probably just learned some like tools, social skills, they call them. But I didn't have when I was 10, surprisingly. I feel like it's harder to make friends when you're older because there's more like other barriers in the way.

obstacles like time restraints time restraints and also kids and stuff kids relationships and also some people still are really close to like this core group that they've had for like 15 years and that can be really hard to penetrate um that's such a like sexual word to use but it's true like it can be really hard and I think everyone has probably had that experience where like you might make a new friend and

they'll invite you out and it's with all their OG friends and you're the new person and you're kind of like, I would always get a feeling of like, oh, I'm never going to be. No, you're never. It's like when you go out with your boyfriend's friends. You're never in. They're always going to be your boyfriend's friends. There's always going to be jokes that you are not privy to. And because I am the kind of person where I've always had very individual friendships, I've been in that situation quite a lot, I feel. No, bravest soldiers. Withstanding a group outing when all they talk about is past experiences they've had together,

Oh my god. Or referencing people that you're like, I don't know. You know, you're talking about it. And also if you think like, I mean, I'm not really...

I don't really I'm not like I want to make more friends like I have loads of friends do you know what I mean like yeah what do I want new friends for if it happens it happens you know but I'm not like out there looking for like new people to because also like as I said you don't hang out anymore the last thing I need was somebody else I remember my mom saying that as well when knowing you're a kid and all you want is like your parents to be friends with your friends parents so you can all hang out together and you're like would you not make friends with Sarah's mom so that we can all would you not go for coffee and my mom goes I have no friends and I was

I was like Exactly Like I mean Imagine being forced To be friends With some other Random mother Like we've nothing in common No that would be My worst nightmare now If my daughter's like I'm bringing her to school And she's like Would you not talk To Sharon here And I'm like Oh my god So awkward What am I gonna talk about Literally I feel like I'd be good At that I mean like How are you Sharon At least you can always Talk about the kids Yeah talk about the kids But I'm not gonna be Going to book clubs Or any of that No way Like dinner Yeah Sleepovers You can sleep over too

Let's have a big slumber party. It's just like the innocence. I did make friends now after I turned 25. I didn't have friends, like proper friends until I turned probably 21. Okay. Like, and then I had my core group. So I met, no, I met Aisling actually, my best friend when I was 19 through a boyfriend. Interestingly enough, he's actually my ex-boyfriend. He's still friends with me, but I met her through him.

She became my best friend. She's my longest best friend now. And Reese I met when I was 21 and I met Jason when I was 21. So it was like, then I've met my core people. And then it was kind of testing out friendship because I'd never experienced it before. So I was like, oh, I'm making loads of friends. But then I wasn't giving people enough time to strengthen those relationships that I was making.

So then they kind of all fell away after I had a baby, which is fair enough because they were all actually acquaintances where I thought I was real close with them. Do you know? I've experienced that so many times. It's actually nothing more embarrassing. It's mortifying. And it's always been like someone, as we said, like with a big group of friends. Yeah. Like desperate to hang out. And they're like some fucking bitch I met like out in the club last week. I'm like trying to go for coffee. I'm like when you come to my baby shower. Yeah.

What was I saying? Oh yeah, after I turned 25 then, it was like, because I'd had a baby, I actually turned into a different person. Yeah.

So I needed to make more friends. My friends, people of my own who were like on the same, I suppose, maturity level. But I was just on a different path, I suppose, to most of my friends now were. And then Rhys and Aisling emigrated. So I was like, fuck's sake. So I was like, shit, shit, shit. And I actually thought I was never going to make a friend ever again. Because you know when you get to that age, you're like, everyone else has their core group. But then I actually found it really easily. There are loads of people at that age because there were people going through similar things to me where they weren't,

They didn't want to be friends with the people they were friends with in school anymore because they felt like they were on a different wavelength. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it is actually kind of a transitionary period for a lot of people where people are looking for connections. I think so. The people I've met now...

Will be I know my friends forever because we've met each other at the perfect time. Three of my friends now have babies as well. So it's like, you know, we're on the same wavelength. Yeah, that's true. Whereas now I actually do feel like I there was a gap there where I was like, I have no friends at all. Whereas now I was like, I don't have any time to make new friends. Yeah. So thank God. And sometimes when you lose one friend, it can feel like because if you have one really close friend.

Like you and I have both had like big friendship breakups where it's like it can feel like you've no friends then. It was actually so rude to your other friends. I realized I was talking to like other friends. I mean, like I have no friends. My friend Devin, like my best friend in the world was like, oh. But it's like when you're codependent spending every day together, working together. Totally. You always feel like it's like they make up for five people. Yeah. It's like a toxic relationship. And that's something I realized about myself that I can be like, I'm very...

I don't say vulnerable because it makes it sound like someone's making me do something that I'm not, but I'm not. But I can fall into that really easily. I've never been codependent in relationships, really.

But in friendships, I'm very quick to go codependent. Yes. And I think a lot of it is because of what we were talking about, like maybe not being able to make friends really easily or not. I don't really like I can be grand in a group. Don't get me wrong, but like I'm not comfortable in it. So what happens is sometimes I'll like rely on the person to like pick up where I can kind of go. OK, yeah. So that I've noticed that about myself where like.

You know, that's my biggest flaw in a friendship. I can be 100% codependent and it's happened to me multiple times, you know, where I've been codependent or like, I've just been like, oh, it's grand. I just have, I've got them as a friend and we'll go to everything. Yeah, we'll go to everything together. We'll hang out together. I'll always know them. And then if that goes, it's the same thing as like, you know, any of your friends who can be codependent in relationships, you know, then the boyfriend breaks up with them and they're like, what?

Like flailing And I would always look at People who were like that In relationships Probably in the past As like Ugh Like I'm glad I'm not like that But I was Like that the whole time With friendships And didn't cop it And it's almost worse that way It's so much worse Because it lasts so much longer And it's also A part of your identity Yeah Whereas a breakup With the relationship

It's almost expected. It's always there at the back of your mind sort of to prepare for a break, a relationship ending because. Yeah, it's way more accepted. Way more accepted. Whereas like if you break up with a friend, it's like, what the fuck's wrong with you? You must have something seriously wrong with you. Especially then if you're someone who has individual friends and everyone sees that other friend is like still having their group and you're on your own because you've put all your eggs in the basket of like joining their group.

And just like fitting in Yeah So I've That's something that like As I've grown older I've been like I really need to like Make sure I'm not Doing that Yeah But it's also sad as well Because I feel like I've got to the age now I'll never have that sort of Closeness with a friend Yeah You know like having sleepovers You're in the same bed Yeah Texting each other All the time Yeah being on the phone For like three hours a day And all that kind of stuff Like it's It's not realistic Yeah

But it was fun when you had it. Yeah. You know, like there is like a kind of innocence to it, I think, especially in female friendships. You know, it's, it is like a little romantic relationship, really. Like, it's just maybe not sexual. I mean, some of them might be, but like, well, sometimes. Things get crazy sometimes. Sometimes there's a drought.

you know but like I think that that and like I think that's when it's it's hard when you have a friendship breakup because like it's hard to look back on those nice like times really positively because you can you know and you have to make sure you don't like grow too bitter bit of bitterness is sometimes justified I'm still mine well mine's still a bit raw

Yeah You know We're on different Healing journeys Yeah I'm still Only a tiny bit better Yeah Only a little bit Yeah And I Like it fades You know It's like any relationship really But yeah I think it is hard When it's a friendship Because as you said Like it's If you turned up To your family gathering And you're like Oh me and my boyfriend Broke up They'd be like aww But if they're like Oh where is your one Your best friend You're like

You can't say we broke up. It's like, we're not friends anymore. And then they're like, what happened? You're like, oh Jesus, what happened? Yeah. It's like, where to begin? And then you always sound like a nutcase. If I'm relaying the story, I'm like, this sounds like such stupid, frivolous drama that I don't like repeating. I'm like, well, there was a podcast, but just so stupid. Like to my mom's six year old friends, they're like, what happened to her? And I'm like, well, anyway. And they're like, right. Yeah. Right. So.

But yeah, I think that's good that you found it easier to make friends then as you've gone older. It was a perfect time though. Like now I know it would be difficult. Okay. Because once me and Jason buy the house, all of those things. And then if I start having more kids, I know I'm not going to have any time at all to do it. Yeah. Whereas there was a good gap there where I was like, you know, I did basically eight months of co-parenting. I had the weekends to like make new friends. Like that's a crazy situation to be in. True. And now we're like...

So proper L ones With a shared calendar Who like Put in dentist appointments And stuff It's like When he got more mature I was usually like This is the sexiest thing I've ever experienced In my own life Yeah Because we're like Maturing together Yeah you know And then we both got Reading glasses And we got our wall lamps On our bed We got our wall lamps We were just like Oh fuck We're so mature Are you the same age?

He's six months older than me Okay so yeah Same age But like I'm mature You know women mature And faster than men So I was like Come on You know I had such a fun birthday With Evan this year Because now I'm like Kind of like young He's 40 Oh my god Is she your trophy wife?

So that There's a chip If you don't want to feel Fucking old Date someone five years older Tell him you Like I'm like Oh my god Evan was my age When he met me He was 35 I'm like Because he's always like I only bought the house at 40 I'm like well I bought the house at 34 I did everything so much younger Like I have this like Kind of fake False perception Of being like A little kind of Trophy wife Yeah Like I'm like My 40 year old husband Oh stunning See you are stunning You're living a stunning lifestyle Oh

kind of love this i know you're still dinkies yes we are dinkies dublin camo kids just a little just a pomeranian which is very dinky so dinky are you getting fucking two euro 50 bagels no i saw that on the vlog i love you being such good value it's like no but ellie ellie church are always giving out to me because they're like that's crazy money and i'm like that's a good deal like

But it was because I've gotten a taste of luxury And I can't go back I know that's the worst thing You know when you look at You know if I'm looking for a dress I'm looking at designer dresses I'm going that's a fucking great Two grand for a dress that's crazy And then if I go to a different website And it's like 350 I'm like jeez that's good value I know Because you're so My perception gets skewed so fast Like so fast I know It's like when I was looking for the house I'm like jeez it's only 520 I'm like half a million euro for a kip

And I'm like, bargain. It's only 15 kilometers from town. Like, I get so skewed. I haven't had to bring me right back down to earth a few times. I'll be like, look, it's only 750. Six beds. Perfect. For six Pomeranians. Yeah.

Off only. I love that. What? What?

Where is this? Now I look back This can't be in Ireland There's no There's no way No way that's in Ireland Now I look back I'm like what the fuck You were literally so young So yeah That's the only regret Is letting outside noise in Instead of just letting myself Be young Aww Well yeah I think that's It's kind of like What we were talking about earlier About like Your perception of time When you're young And like your perception of like Your age when you're young You don't know you're young When you're young But that's kind of the point Yeah

You know what I mean? Because if you knew you were young, you'd probably end up taking even more stupid risks. I think that's what I was doing for so long. I was like, I'm young. Yeah, like... Fuck it. Do it, bender.

I mean, I've done that too. And I think you can excuse it, but like, I'm actually like, I don't relate to that whatsoever because I'm like, I really live, like I was in my 20s when I was in my 20s. So I could see how someone, you would have that regret maybe of being like, oh, why didn't I? Then sometimes like your personality just isn't like that too. That way it's like. Saoirse doesn't drink. She's not like that at all. I'm literally like, would you not go out and be riding people? Would you not just go out and just start riding people?

You know? Because you know when you're young, you're just like, oh, fuck. My relationship with sex was literally just like, oh, yeah, let's fucking have sex. Oh, yeah. It was grand. Especially when you're drunk. I was just like, oh, yeah, you'll do. It was like the reasonable end to a night. Yeah. It was like, well, obviously, we're going home together. But then when Sierra, she was like, real artistic. And like, she's living her early 20s the way she wants to. But I suppose it's different when you've had a different experience. You think that it's the wrong thing. You're like, we should be living it up. Totally. And like...

I think like I definitely lived like the very stereotypical 20s, early 20s. Yeah. Going out all the time. Like I was out nonstop all the time. It was like bus, club, another club. Like that's what it was like. But I think the worst thing is doing something that's not like congruent to your personality. Because then if you're forcing yourself to stay in or forcing yourself to say like,

not be like have sex with people casual sex when you want to do those things it will only come out negatively in your later years and vice versa like

if like someone like Saoirse who it doesn't agree with or she doesn't want to that if you're forcing yourself to go out like that's just gonna end in a fucking disaster oh yeah totally do you know what I mean so I think it's like allowing yourself to just like follow and like I think that goes back to what we were saying like trying to be cool and all like I guess you do kind of think like oh I wish I just was a bit easier on myself my way more just what I wanted to do for myself yeah and not you know do things because I thought that that's like what

That's how people would see me as being cool. It's just like, oh God, whatever. But I don't think I ever janted like that was too regrettable. It was just like probably minorly cringe. It's so fun when I look back on how they teach peer pressure in secondary school because you always think it's someone going, I go on or you're a loser. Do it or you're a loser. But that's obviously not what peer pressure is. It's like everyone just doing something collectively and you feeling excluded if you don't do it. Yeah, it's so much more of a personal thing. Yeah, you put the pressure on yourself because you want to catch up with everyone else. It's not like...

Sarah besides you Is gonna go Come on Keelan You fucking loser Or they don't have Like pictures in like The books of like You know like in a cube Go like smoke Smoke smoke Like you gotta smoke Or you're a loser man And it's like Instead what it is Is like maybe two of your Friends start smoking And you're like You feel so insecure Because you're not doing What everyone else is doing Yeah Or you want to go out To the lane Or you want to go To the smoking area You're having to

There's obviously going to be DMCs hat out there You don't want to be left out on Absolutely I mean I will say And it's such bad advice But like genuinely Met a lot of friends smoking Yeah same Like when I was in college The place to be Was the smoking area Like that was The spot And that is where So many people made friends Because like Loads of my friends in college Didn't do the same course as me We just like Knew each other from the arse block From smoking And very Sally Rooney Except you're all Communicating with each other Yes Actually yeah Not an internal dialogue To be had

The opposite is like word vomit.

I am 32 and the best thing about my age is giving less shits about what other people think of you. I was so consumed about how others felt about me in my 20s. It's liberating. Yeah, I think that is. And like you hear a lot of people say that in their 30s, but it is genuinely really true. And it's not like you just turn 30 and you're like, I don't care anymore because you obviously still have like some of the other insecurities about yourself that you've always had. But I think they just become way quieter. Yeah.

Like they're still there and they flare up every now and again, but they're just not as important or something. Whereas I feel like the amount of space that would take up in my psyche when I was 20 was way more. Like it was way more an ongoing insecurity or an ongoing thought, you know. But it's so strong. It's like the strongest when you're probably 12 throughout your teenagehood, you know, and you feel so cringed about everything. So insecure. And I remember looking at my mom.

And she would say, for example, be singing along to a song, but singing the wrong lyrics. Yeah. Dancing when she's drunk or she'd be like being real loud in the supermarket. I remember being, she'd do this thing when we went to the super value and she'd go, okay, wind me up, wind me up. So you'd go behind her back and you'd wind her up and then she'd start acting like a robot.

Or she'd go, do you want to get in a fake fight? And then she'd be like, you're a fucking stupid bitch, Tealum. You know, she'd be like, oh, I'd want the crack. But I remember at that age, I was like, oh my God, so embarrassing. You know, you'd be so fucking cringed out by your parents. But then the older I got, the more I realized like she's having so much fun. It's so much more fun to be that person than it is to be cringed out. Yes, absolutely.

That's so true Like it's It's way It's liberating It genuinely is To be like To not give a shit And I don't think I think I am quite a Naturally Slightly neurotic person So I don't think I'll ever be I do I actually like Envy those people Who can be fully like Frisbee Like I can barely dance In public Like I was only talking To my friend Devin about this recently Like we were talking About dancing or something And I was like

I just like don't like it. Like it's like it makes me feel the most insecure. But it's so funny because like say my friend Yulia, like she is one of those free, like she's like, well, like be like, I'm going to dance tonight. And I'm like, that's like my living hell. Like I want to be sat chatting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? But I think like it's kind of like the transition from that self, like being very self-conscious into your 30s and caring less. It's kind of like,

You know when you have a friend Like say you're single And you have a friend In like a long term relationship And you find it that like They fart in front of each other And you're like Oh

I will never do that. Yeah. And then you get a boyfriend four years later, like you are farting in front of each other and you're like, kind of like, how did I get here? Yeah. It's kind of like that. Yeah. It's kind of like, oh, all of a sudden you're like, I actually care way less about that than I did in my twenties. You know, it's a very slow process, but all of a sudden you kind of catch yourself on the outside of it and you're like, oh, thank God. And you kind of then go, God, I was so uptight then. Yeah. I was so concerned about something that didn't matter at all. Like, you know,

My fucking fella feeling my big like stubbly legs off him in the bed. Wearing makeup to bed. I used to do that. I never did that. Thank God. I never did that randomly. I don't know how. I think it's because I read a fact. Which is like kind of on what we're talking about today of like how probably when I was younger, I was more afraid of like the physical signs of aging. I read a fact that it ages you a day every time you fall asleep with your makeup on.

So I would be like In fellas houses Scrubbing with the like Palm olive Or like the Nivea Two four and one I'd be like No matter what Once it's off my face Probably did worse For my skin I have used olive oil before To take my makeup off That's a good one It works And olive oil is good The little brand Head and shoulders Burn the eyes off you Oh Jesus

I literally like randomly get TikTok'd over at Fertility Health and it's like stop using plastic spatulas and I'm like hello Jason I know I really need the Evan did that to me a while ago I was like heating up something and he was like don't heat mine up in the microwave please I was like what he's like it's in plastic I was like okay sorry Mr. Natural over here I was like you know when someone like has like a new thing like that and you just feel so insecure then you're like would you ever stop it with that nonsense

It's like oh you think you're so much better than me. I'm like okay you can cook from now on. How about that? And buy all the glass containers. Okay. I'm fine with my little fucking plastic containers every now and then. I have to overtake the way box. Yeah. Oh I have two of them going. Two of them on the go. I always end up throwing them out. I like collect eight and then I'm like I'm never going to use these. Yeah. I need to throw them out. No lid. Not a lid to be seen. No lid to be seen. Ever. It's just like I'll use them at some point for something. You know.

But then I like got obsessed with buying lunch boxes. Now we have like eight glass containers. Oh, they're stunning. Just love them. Yeah. The glass ones are very glamorous. So glam. Too heavy. I put my good bits in there. You know what I mean? Yeah, let's sell it. Yeah, let's sell it. I really want it crisp. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. And then Bea has this like, I want my paw patrol plate. And I'm like, she wants a stunning bamboo suction tape. Yeah, she's like, no, the fucking yellow one. I want the paw patrol plastic, shite. I'm like, fuck's sake.

Anyway, you know, she watched TikTok with me there the other day. I was like, this is so... She was like, can I see, mama? I was like, I'm fucking you up. And I was like, go on. And she goes...

what's she saying mama it's like i don't know we're talking shite and i realized it's like i talk i actually watch shite all day but i mean this is actual child's innocence it's like what is she saying actually you're so right i know i'm just talking about like methods for revolution on tiktok that's what i that's actually working for you page how to start a revolution it's like people on tiktok and then we're all just there watching tiktok like this i mean like yeah yeah we're gonna think about a revolution

That'll do the job. It's like when I remember when I was in college and someone told me before, like, you should never like talk about all the studying you need to do because when you do that, you get the false sense of achievement of thinking you've done the studying. Yeah. It's like that's like talking about the revolution so much. You're like, well, there we go. Yeah. Sorted. That's it then. I've liked them. Absolutely fucking sorted. Done. I figured it out, guys. Not to worry. Next video.

That is like a cute dog. I'm like, aw. Or a pregnant person. I'm like, what? I just get fucked pregnant. Yeah. That's the answer. Revolution's over. Might as well. Fuck it. It's safe to bring the baby into the future now should the revelation sort it. That's it. Okay, I think we better leave it there. Yeah. Probably have like two hours. Probably. Sorry, I'd be waffling. No, it's great. Great episode. Good. Okay, thanks so much. Don't be afraid of growing old, guys.