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在任近十年,通过创新和合作,成功转型并推动公司价值大幅增长。
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美国财政部长斯科特·贝森特:美方致力于和平进程,目标是建立一个自由、主权和繁荣的乌克兰。我们与乌克兰达成的协议清楚地向俄罗斯领导层表明,特朗普政府致力于长期和平进程,目标是建立一个自由、主权和繁荣的乌克兰。这场残酷而毫无意义的战争该结束了。 唐纳德·特朗普:我承认我的关税政策存在政治风险,但我不会为了安抚投资者而仓促达成协议。我是一个诚实的人,我们必须拯救国家。在之前的总统任期内,我们每天都在亏损50亿美元,其中很大一部分来自中国。现在,由于我们实施了创纪录的145%的关税,中国的船只正在返回,货物也没有被卸载。 Kayleigh Lyons:欧盟将向美国提出降低贸易和非关税壁垒,以及增加对美国投资的建议,以启动贸易谈判。重要的是,我们理解这项贸易提案包括关税和非关税壁垒,这或许是对我们从政府官员那里听到的关于与欧洲特别是相关问题的回应。 Satya Nadella:微软的AI能力正在快速增长,并且公司正在扩大数据中心容量。我们将重点介绍基础设施方面的例子。我们正在继续扩大数据中心容量。仅本季度,我们就开放了遍布四大洲10个国家的DC。由于多重复合缩放定律,模型能力每六个月翻一番。 马克·扎克伯格:Meta的业务表现良好,并且公司已准备好应对宏观经济的不确定性,并正在重新考虑供应商和优化供应链以应对贸易战。今年伊始,我们的表现强劲。我们的社区持续增长,现在每天至少有34亿人在使用我们的一个应用程序。我们的业务也表现非常好,我认为我们已做好准备应对宏观经济的不确定性。Meta还表示,它正在通过重新考虑供应商和优化供应链来应对贸易战。 Dave Lee:Meta警告称,由于欧盟的数字市场法案,欧洲用户的用户体验将显著恶化,这实际上意味着Meta将从欧洲用户那里获得的收入将大幅减少。这意味着这家社交媒体巨头预计将从欧洲用户那里获得的收入远低于预期。因此,实际上可能变得更糟的是Meta本身,目前尚不清楚它将如何使Meta平台的用户体验变得更糟。 Rosalyn Matheson:美乌达成的天然资源协议,给予美国对乌克兰新投资项目的优先权,并通过该协议产生的收入建立一个共同管理的基金,用于偿还美国对乌克兰的未来军事援助,这对于乌克兰来说比最初的协议条款更好,但并非军事保障。对特朗普来说,这是一个可以宣称的胜利,但并没有解决更广泛的冲突。该协议实际上使美国能够优先获得新的投资项目,以开发乌克兰的自然资源,其中它可能已经投入了相当多的资金。在乌克兰提出异议后,最初谈论的协议条款有所改变。谈判当然在整个过程中都相当激烈。现在,它涵盖的内容实际上是偿还美国对乌克兰的未来军事援助,而不是已经提供的全部军事援助,并且根据该协议的条款,它确实为基辅敞开了大门,至少使其能够推进其加入欧盟的意图或愿望。但它本质上是一个由这些新许可证收入资助的基金。它将包括从关键矿物到石油和天然气的一切。美国对转移到该基金的利润拥有优先索赔权,并且由两国共同管理。因此,这使乌克兰与美国建立了经济联系,强有力的经济联系。它为美国在乌克兰提供了一些投资机会。但这并不是对乌克兰的硬安全保障。因此,总的来说,我的意思是,这对基辅来说是一笔好交易吗?好吧,它可以说比该协议的最初条款更好,最初的条款被认为非常有利于美国,并且实际上使美国控制了乌克兰经济的很大一部分。因此,最终版本中的一些条款已被更改。美国会认为经济联系实际上是安全联系的一种形式,因为它将美国与乌克兰的未来及其未来的成功联系在一起。但这并不是硬安全保障。当然,它也不是军事保障。它也不是任何表示美国将来可能会向乌克兰提供军事援助的内容。因此,它确实为乌克兰提供了一些东西。它也向唐纳德·特朗普发出信号,表明乌克兰认真致力于寻求停火。但这对唐纳德·特朗普意味着什么呢?在由于他的贸易政策对美国经济的影响而面临压力之际,这是否是他可以宣称的胜利?好吧,没错。他确实需要至少宣布一些胜利,这给了他一些东西。他可以说,我这里有一笔具体的交易。他正在关注美国经济,由于他在贸易方面的政策波动很大,美国经济正承受着一些压力。你现在可以看到这在美国的情绪和其他数据中有所体现。他确实需要一些得分。他说他与各个国家达成了贸易协议,但他到目前为止还没有任何协议。当然,我们知道,另外,加沙的战斗已经恢复。以色列又回到了那里。它的军队又回到了那里与加沙的哈马斯作战。因此,这场冲突也没有得到迅速解决。这确实给了他一个胜利,但在乌克兰问题上,仍然没有达成更广泛的停火协议。 Jesper Brodin:IKEA需要稳定和可预测的贸易关系,目前只能等待观望。我们像任何公司一样,都受益于稳定的关系、可预测的关系。当然,无论是自由贸易还是低关税安排,通常都会导致通货膨胀减少,不确定性总体减少。但我们只能拭目以待。 Jennifer Creary:IKEA受到特朗普政府贸易政策波动的影响,但具体影响程度尚不明确;IKEA正在面临消费者信心下降和成本上升的压力,但目前没有提高价格的迹象。正如你所听到的,Jesper呼吁建立稳定和可预测的贸易关系。这意味着,对于宜家和其他公司来说,驾驭唐纳德·特朗普反复无常的贸易政策非常困难。现在,他并没有说明关税实际上会对宜家的供应链造成多大影响。你知道,他还没有采取任何明确的措施。但宜家有趣的一点是,它的大部分产品(约70%)来自欧洲,其余产品则在亚洲制造。因此,当然,它们会受到任何对从中国进口到美国的商品征收的关税的影响,美国是其第二大市场。因此,其中一些压力点将是,你知道,他们将不得不提出这些问题,就像许多公司正在提出的那样,你知道,他们能否通过与供应商谈判来节省成本,或者他们是否必须提高价格?有趣的是,你知道,作为价值衡量标准的宜家将处于这个棘手的境地,因为它们仍然需要负担得起,因为,你知道,正如我们都知道的那样,购买家具有时会非常昂贵。是的,我昨天问了他这个问题,他说消费者信心在过去几个月有所下降。但他补充说,你知道,这并不是宜家独有的现象。它正在影响所有公司。但是,你知道,如果你看看它去年的最后一份业绩,也就是它去年的全年业绩,宜家已经报告营业利润下降了近38%。这是在它宣布投资21亿欧元来降低价格之后发生的。这已经以牺牲一些财务收益为代价。它已经承受着压力。它以一种比较疲软的姿态开始新的一年。当然,随着关税和其他原材料成本通货膨胀,这只会给零售商带来更多挑战。在零售商身上。但是,你知道,我问他,你会涨价吗?目前还没有迹象。他对此守口如瓶。所以让我们拭目以待。

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This is the Bloomberg Daybreak Europe podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Thursday the 1st of May in London. I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, the US and Ukraine sign a deal over access to the country's natural resources. Donald Trump concedes his approach to global trade poses significant political risks as Microsoft and Meta shrug off economic turbulence to deliver results that defy expectations.

Plus, unclear instructions. The boss of IKEA's owner tells us they've no choice but to wait and see as tariffs create uncertainty for businesses and consumers. Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. The United States and Ukraine have reached a deal over access to Ukraine's natural resources. Under the agreement, America will be given privileged access to new investment projects

to deliver things like aluminium, graphite, oil and natural gas. The deal is seen as an important step in securing President Trump's goodwill toward Kyiv as his administration continues efforts to end the war that began with Russia's full-scale invasion more than three years ago. Here's US Treasury Secretary Scott Besant.

Today's agreement signals clearly to Russian leadership that the Trump administration is committed to a peace process centered on a free, sovereign and prosperous Ukraine over the long term. It's time for this cruel and senseless war to end.

Scott Besson speaking there as the signing eases tensions between the two countries. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky travelled to Washington in February to sign a deal, but returned empty-handed after a tense on-camera exchange with President Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance in the Oval Office.

Donald Trump has acknowledged that his sweeping tariff programme poses significant political risks to his presidency, but the US president says he won't rush into deals to appease nervous investors. Speaking during a town hall event, Trump said he remained determined to push on and he believes he'll be able to convince people how good this is. Trump was also asked by News Nation host Bill O'Reilly if he agreed that his tariff proposals had a perception problem.

Yeah, but I'm an honest guy and we have to save the country. We were losing $5 billion a day with this man that we had as a president, the auto pen president. Nobody even knows who the president was. We're losing, think of it, we're losing $5 billion.

billion a day and a big chunk of it was from China. Now China is sending its boats back. The boats are not being unloaded because they have a 145% tariff, which is a record-setting type tariff.

Trump spoke at that News Nation town hall event via a video link after data showed that the US economy contracted at the start of the year for the first time since 2022. Inflation-adjusted GDP decreased at an annualised rate of 0.3%, dragged down by a surge in imports as firms appeared to be front-running US tariffs. Trump says he should get a pass on the data as his administration was just getting used to things.

The European Union will present US officials with proposals next week aimed at kick-starting trade negotiations. Bloomberg has learned the ideas include lowering trade and non-tariff barriers, as well as boosting European investment in the US. Our sources say the EU is also preparing for a worst-case scenario if negotiations fail, including lists of US goods to hit with counter-tariffs and possible export restrictions. Here's Bloomberg's Kayleigh Lyons in Washington.

What's important about this is we understand that this proposal on trade includes both tariff and non-tariff barriers, perhaps in recognition of the kind of language we've heard from administration officials around the issues with Europe specifically.

That's Bloomberg's Kayleigh Lyons in Washington. It comes as the Aborigines think tank says Keir Starmer's government won't be able to avoid uncomfortable trade-offs on areas such as human rights when negotiating trade partnerships in an increasingly unstable and uncertain world. The IPPR, which has close links to the Labour Party, says the UK will need to be pragmatic about trade deals with countries that don't share all our values and flexible in observing international law.

Microsoft shares soared in after-hours trading on the back of better-than-expected sales and profit growth. Total revenue during the third quarter of the financial year rose by 13% to just over $70 billion. Gains were bolstered by the firm's Azure Cloud unit, which attributed 16 percentage points of its growth to artificial intelligence products. CEO Satya Nadella says the company's AI capabilities are growing rapidly.

Now I'll highlight examples starting with infrastructure. We continue to expand our data center capacity. This quarter alone, we opened DCs in 10 countries across four continents. Model capabilities are doubling in performance every six months thanks to multiple compounding scaling laws. Microsoft's Satya Nadella speaking there. Microsoft shares rose by almost 7% in after-hours trading yesterday.

Staying with tech news, Meta also reported estimate beating financial results, defying tariff concerns. The Facebook and Instagram parent announced $42.3 billion in first quarter sales, beating analysts' expectations for $41.4 billion. Speaking after the news, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg told investors the firm is ready to face market volatility.

We've had a strong start to the year. Our community keeps growing with more than 3.4 billion people now using at least one of our apps each day.

Our business is also performing very well, and I think we're well positioned to navigate the macroeconomic uncertainty. Mark Zuckerberg speaking there. The company says it expects to spend between $64 and $72 billion this year, attributing some of the increase to tariffs imposed by the Trump administration. Meta also says it's responding to the trade war by rethinking suppliers and optimizing its supply chain.

And polls opened today in some parts of England for local and mayoral elections. Changes to councils means there are fewer positions being voted on than in previous years, but the vote is the first big set of polls since Labour's landslide election victory last year.

Those are your top stories. On the markets, we had US stocks jumping into Wednesday's close, extending a winning streak. The S&P 500 finishing up two tenths of 1%. Seven sessions in a row now of gains and futures pointing higher again, 1.1% higher for S&P E-mini futures.

while Nasdaq futures are up by 1.5%. Of course, the earnings from Microsoft and Meta in focus there as well. Treasuries also clinching a seven-day winning streak. Ten-year yields have fallen over 20 basis points. They're up two today to 4.18% on the 10-year. The dollar also continuing to recover, trading a quarter of 1% higher on the Bloomberg Dollar Spot Index. The yen is six-tenths weaker after Bank of Japan held interest rates steady. We're also watching gold prices down again today by 1.8%.

to $3,228 a troy ounce. In a moment, we'll bring you more on the US-Ukraine deal on natural resources, plus what the boss of the group operating hundreds of IKEA stores around the world told us about the impact of tariffs.

But on the question of Meta's earnings, I was reading Bloomberg Opinion, Dave Lee's column about this this morning, and in particular comments that drew a lot of attention in Meta's statement about how they're warning of a materially worse user experience for European users because of rules introduced under the EU's Digital Markets Act. Now, Dave Lee says...

This essentially means that the social media giant will now expect to make significantly less money from users in Europe than it otherwise would have. So what actually might be materially worse is actually for Meta itself, unclear exactly how it would make...

the user experience worse for users of Meta's platform. Meta made about 16% of its global revenue in the EU last year. They're currently in this battle with the EU over the EU demands under the legislation to offer less personalised ads and better protect users' personal data as a result. Now, Meta had offered a version of this. The EU hasn't approved that yet. It also didn't welcome Meta's idea for a paying subscription that would give users no ads.

But as Dave Lee points out, these changes are coming at a delicate time for advertising. Sales growth outside the US is slowing, although this report was very strong from Meta. And the impact of tariffs, particularly in what it means for Chinese advertisers advertising targeting American consumers, is still unclear. Lots of detail in his piece. You can read it at Bloomberg.com forward slash opinion. And we'll put a link to it in our podcast show notes as well.

Well, let's bring you more now on the deal between the US and Ukraine over access to natural resources. Our EMEA News Director Rosalyn Matheson joins us now for more. Ros, good morning. What exactly does this deal entail? Well, what it does is it actually gives the US privileged access to new investment projects, and that's to develop Ukraine's natural resources, of which it has potentially invested.

quite a bit. It is changed somewhat for the initial deal that was talked about, and that's after some objections from the Ukrainians. The negotiations got quite contentious, of course, throughout. And what it does now cover is actually reimbursing the US for future military assistance to Ukraine, rather than all the military assistance that's been provided to

already and it does keep the door open under the terms of this deal for Kiev to push ahead with its intent at least or its desire to join the EU. But what it is is essentially a fund which is financed by revenues from these new licenses. It'll be everything from critical minerals to oil and gas and

The U.S. gets first claim on the profits that are transferred into that fund, and it's jointly managed by both nations. So this gives Ukraine an economic link to the U.S., strong economic ties. It gives the U.S. some investment opportunities in Ukraine. It's not a hard security guarantee, though, for Ukraine. So overall, I mean, is this a good deal for Kyiv?

Well, it's better arguably than the original terms of the deal, which was seen as very much favouring the US and giving the US in essence control over a large part of Ukraine's economy. So some of the terms have been altered here.

in the final version. And the US would argue that economic ties really are a version of security ties because it binds the US into Ukraine's future and its future success. But it's not a hard security guarantee. And certainly it's not a military guarantee. And it's not anything that says that the US would come

to Ukraine's aid militarily, potentially in the future. So it does give Ukraine something in its pocket. And it does also signal to Donald Trump that the Ukraine is serious about trying to reach a ceasefire. What does this mean for Donald Trump, though? Is this something that he can claim as a victory at a time when he's under pressure over the impact of his trade policies on the US economy?

Well, that's right. He does need to declare at least a few victories and that gives him something. He can say, I've got a tangible deal here in my pocket. He is looking at an economy in the US where it's under some pressure over his quite volatile policymaking when it comes to trade. And you can see that showing up in sentiment and other data in the US now. And he does need some runs on the board. He says he's got trade deals coming

with individual countries, but he doesn't have any of those so far. And of course, we know, you know, separately fighting has resumed in Gaza. Israel is back in there. Its troops are back in there fighting Hamas in Gaza. So there's been no quick resolution to that conflict either. It does give him a win, but there's still no broader ceasefire yet arranged when it comes to Ukraine. Okay. Roslyn Mattson, our AMEA news director. Thank you very much.

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Well, let's turn to another story now. Donald Trump saying he's not going to rush into deals to appease investors' uncertainty over his tariffs. The US consumer confidence, though, slumping to its lowest level in almost five years. And it's been dented elsewhere, too, by fears over the impact of the trade levies. The Swedish furniture chain IKEA operates in more than 60 countries worldwide, including a significant presence in the United States. The CEO of the Inca Group, which operates most of IKEA's stores, has been speaking to Bloomberg about how they're adapting to the tariff uncertainty.

We, like any companies, benefit from stable relations, predictable relations. And of course, whether it's free trade or low tariff arrangements, normally that leads to less inflation and less uncertainty in general. But we just have to wait and see.

That's Inca Group CEO Jesper Brodin there speaking to Bloomberg's Jennifer Creary, who joins us now for more. Jennifer, good morning. How worried then is Jesper Brodin about the impact of tariffs on the IKEA business?

Yeah. So as you heard, Jesper was calling for stable and predictable trade relations. So the implication being that it's very difficult for IKEA and other companies to navigate Donald Trump's volatile trade policies. Now, he's not saying much about how much tariffs are actually going to impact IKEA's supply chain. You know, he hasn't committed to any definitive measures yet. But what's interesting about IKEA is that it sources most...

about 70% of its products from Europe, while the rest of it is made in Asia. So, of course, they'll be impacted by any levies on imports from China to the US, the US being its second largest market.

So some of those pressure points will be, you know, they'll have to ask these questions like a lot of companies are asking, you know, can they make cost savings through negotiations with suppliers or will they have to raise prices? And what's interesting is, you know, IKEA as a value meter will be in this tricky spot because they'll still need to be affordable because, you know, as we all know, buying furniture can get pretty expensive sometimes.

Is Jesper Brodin seeing any signs of the weaker consumer confidence issues that we've seen highlighted in data, both in the US but also elsewhere? Yes, I asked him this yesterday and he said consumer confidence has declined in the past few months. But he caveated that by saying, you know, this is not something that is exclusive to IKEA. It's affecting all companies. But, you know, if you look at its last set of results last year, so it's last year's full year results,

Ikea already reported a decline of about almost 38% in operating profit. And that came after it announced that it had invested 2.1 billion euros in cutting prices. And that has come at the expense of some of those financial gains. It's already under pressure. It's starting the year on kind of a weaker foot. And of course, with tariffs and other kind of inflation on the cost of raw materials, that's just going to pile additional challenges on.

onto the retailer. But, you know, I asked him, are you going to hike prices? And there's no indication yet. He was very tight-lipped about that. So let's wait and see. ♪

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