Explorer Uncovers the Dark Secrets of Abandoned Prisons & Asylums | Ramy Awad
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the guard that was like, you know, corrupt and a few of them were very interesting like the cat lady and you know,

Yeah, that Steven Dominguez episode, the corrupt Rikers, that just like brought me to another level with having like New York people reaching out to me. Absolutely. Because people still come. That's still one of my top interviews and they stumble across that. And it was just so well put together. And that was like a random Friday night. Like he hit me up. He had never done another podcast. He comes. I didn't know what to expect. And we're just talking. And we sat here was like two hours and he ran the whole episode and he just had it down pat.

Absolutely. And it was just one of those ones. It was one of my favorite ones, to be honest. Yeah, people love it. Everything, like, just the way it's edited, you know, the mood, the lighting, everything was just perfect about that. Yeah, and I'm not even, like, so happy with the quality only because, like, it looked good, but that was the first time I ever edited my own podcast.

Like I went off on my own from an editor. So like you could tell sometimes the lips aren't synced up, like nitpicky things. And it echoes a little bit. Yeah. It still looked like for the average person, it looks great. Right. But it's nowhere near like the level it's at now, now that I've learned everything, but it was still nonetheless a great episode and fun.

Really opened a lot of doors and I guess people are just, you know, they stumble upon Rikers and stuff because people are fascinated with it. Who doesn't love a good corrupt card story? Yeah, and it's crazy too because Rikers is supposed to go abandoned. Yeah, they're getting ready to close it. Yeah, they're getting ready to close it. We'll see what happens with that.

Um, so you're a little bit of a different guest and we've known it with the first of its kind that we've ever had on the show, but nonetheless, still fascinating, different perspective of the criminal justice system. Uh, you know, tell the people what you do, um, you know, plug in your channels and stuff. What you got going on. I'm pin my camel on Tik TOK, uh, YouTube, uh, Instagram. I just explored the unknown, uh, no places that people don't wouldn't usually go into. I've always been fascinated. Um,

by like abandoned places like you know like dilapidated places places that are that have a lot of like rich history um ever since i was young i was going into like places i wasn't supposed to um i remember like being a kid like walking in chinatown with my parents and

And just seeing something interesting like in the distance, like I just totally left my mom and dad and just drifted off just to like, you know, go check it out. And that's where it all began really because, you know, my parents were telling that story like forever. But yeah, like my curiosity began at a young age and it just went from there. It started actually with photography.

And, you know, I started like, you know, going into like, you know, areas that people wouldn't usually go to and take pictures and, and it kind of grew from there. And, you know, like the first abandoned place I ever went to was actually Kings Park Psychiatric Center in Long Island. Second place I went to was like an abandoned like girls like mental asylum. It was also in upstate New York.

So yeah, it's kind of started from there. Ever since then, I've just been fascinated by abandoned places. So what can people expect when they see your videos? Like for people that aren't familiar with this type of content? I hit a lot of people differently. People tell me that they feel nostalgia when they watch my videos. You know, they feel like...

you know, like their childhood. Some people feel grief, some people feel like it reminds them of someone. Some people are just fascinated by the history. So, I mean, you can definitely expect like different emotions and things from my videos for sure. - Now you grew up in New York City your whole life? - I did, yeah. I grew up in Queens, born and raised in Queens. - What did your parents do for work? - My dad owns a lemon company.

Um, and my mom is a retired nurse now. Oh, so there's a little crossover from what you do and, you know, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm actually also, this is not what I mainly do too. Um,

I'm actually in school to be like an aircraft mechanic as well. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. My friend's an aircraft mechanic for FedEx and my other friend's an aircraft mechanic for PepsiCo too. Wow. He flies all over with the CEO of Pepsi as his personal mechanic in the jet. It's a really cool experience. Wow, that's awesome. He's got to visit all over the world. It's a great job. Yeah. Very, very good job. So do you have siblings at all? I do, I do. I have four siblings. Wow.

Um, I have a brother and sister. Well, well, I have two brothers and a sister that are married and I have a sister that's at home. So like we're five total. And how old are you now? Uh, I'm 35. You're 35 now. Okay. Do you think you'll ever leave the city? Um, honestly, I plan on leaving New York city as fast as possible. Um,

I recently went to Florida. My parents do have like property in Florida. So I recently went to like to Florida a few times and I feel more happy over there in Florida. I don't know. Like, I feel like it's more my vibe. I don't know if I'm just getting older or what, but I feel like, yeah, it's warmer. Yeah.

And it's a two-hour flight from New York City. If I miss New York City, I could just come back. Yeah. So tell us the first time you actually had interest in, you know, doing what you do now. So I was watching actually a YouTube video. Yeah.

And this is what really interested me in abandoned places because I was more like into going into like, you know, restricted areas, climbing this ledge, going on this rooftop and taking pictures, you know, like kind of like urban exploring, but not like abandoned places. So what kind of like brought like my interest in abandoned places, I was watching a YouTube video of like an abandoned bank in Philadelphia and

And I just remember being so fascinated, like, like, how can this be in there like that preserved over time? It was like one of the first banks to open in Philadelphia. And it's just there, like, almost in pristine condition, like no graffiti, nothing. And I'm, I'm like, how could this be? And that's just where it all started right there.

Like in terms of like, you know, exploring abandoned places. Yeah. There's something about like abandoned old things that are interesting. Like I'm fascinated with the Titanic. Like I love looking at the pictures, watching the videos, just like seeing those old abandoned photos of, and you compare it to what it was versus now. And like most recently in my For You page has been all the Home Alone house.

How they, I know it's not really abandoned, but just the before and afters. Right. How they renovated the whole house to what it is now. It's for sale, right? It just sold, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they show all the renovations, like what it looked like during filming and what it looked like now. Wow. So that was really interesting. So it kind of ties into that. But then like the whole psychiatric thing.

aspect of it that we'll talk about. There was always like growing up, we had an abandoned psychiatric hospital in Newtown, Connecticut, Fairfield Hills. They turned some of it into a brewery. I think the name of the brewery is actually called like Asylum Brewery

Asylum Brewery. Yeah. But people like we would have friends that would go there and, you know, sneak in and take the pictures and do all the exploring. And then me and you were just talking in the hallway about the program, which that Netflix documentary with those kids that explore all the old places they were held at. And there's just that fascination with it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That place is definitely on my go-to list for sure.

that place. Yeah, for sure. Now, what are some of the legal risks, uh, for your job now? Um, honestly, so nowadays I, I, I, I, I try to get like permission for what I do. Um, when I started off, it was more like, you know, I used to just wing it. Um, I've gotten in trouble a few times. Um, but nowadays I like, you know, reaching out to whoever is the owner. Um,

contacting a caretaker. So you can get in trouble, but you don't really get in that much trouble. Unless you're going into someone's home, you won't get into much trouble, to be honest. - And how often are people saying yes to letting you explore these places?

I'm not going to lie, not often. It's very tough. A lot of people don't want, you know, the responsibility of you getting injured or anything like that. But I do find...

And you know, like the places that I really want to visit, I do find that I do end up getting permission for them. And do you research the place to see, like get a floor plan, see what it looked like beforehand? Absolutely. Actually, that's part of the fun of the whole thing. Yeah. Why don't you walk us through the whole process? Yeah, definitely. So, I mean, do you want to know how I find abandoned places in general? Tell us the whole thing. So, you know, like...

Google Earth is very, very helpful. You know, like I found many abandoned places just by purely looking like at towns that are like, like, you know, like going abandoned. Like you can, you could see towns where population is decreasing and where it's like,

like wealthy towns and, you know, you go over to town and it's, it's, it's kind of like a meticulous process, but it ends up being worth it. And it's, it ended up being more like more times worth it than me than not worth it. So like, you know, like you can go over the, like the houses and like the pools look dilapidated. The house will look like dilapidated. Um,

I found schools like that look dilapidated and then you can, you know, you can zoom in and do street view. And, you know, I found many places like that and I would look up the floor plan for the place, you know, see what, which is the best point of entry, you know, street view. Like I, like I mentioned earlier and it's just like the planning part is just very fun for me. Definitely. Now, um,

Take us through, let's start with prisons and then we'll do the psychiatric stuff. Take us through, you know, the first prison you went to visit that was abandoned, the process, all of that. So the first prison I ever went to was actually an abandoned prison in the Bronx, California.

It actually wasn't a prison, actually. It was... Like a detention center? Yeah, yeah, it was a detention center. It was actually called Spofford. Oh, yeah, we've had guests. Oh, this is perfect. Yeah, yeah, I've actually visited that place. Wow. I have pictures on my Instagram from there. Yeah, the audience has heard it from some of our new guests. Yeah, yeah, so that place...

And getting in was like a whole like movie by itself. Tell us about that. Yeah. So, you know, like you get to Spofford and you have to park in front of like, I had to park in front of like a mechanic shop. And I gave the guy like 20 bucks at the mechanic shop. I'm like, you know, like, Papi, watch my car, you know. And so like he's watching my car and I didn't tell him what I was going to do.

But I look for my peripherals and he's looking right at me. And the way in is literally right in front of his mechanic shop. And you have to like go under a fence. So he's watching me as I'm like going under the fence. And so you go like on the side of the building and then you have to like make a right. And then you have to like climb this like pole and then

you, it's hard to describe it, but like then there's a tree after you climb the pole, there's like, cause there's like a ledge and then you have to jump onto a tree and then jump down.

And then from there you have to climb into a window. So like, it's just the way in was very fun because it was very like, it was like, you know, like a jungle gym, you know? And no one's noticing you do this to try to stop you or anything. So that area, thankfully it was very closed up at that time. So once you're in, you're not, you, you're not really going to get seen. And what do you have gear wise, equipment wise? Uh, gear wise. Um, I, I always bring gloves. Um,

You know, just in case, you know, I got to like, you know, touch something. A very powerful flashlight. You know, I've been told to wear a respirator mask, but I have not worn one since I started exploring. I would imagine my lungs are completely destroyed now from all the mold and like asbestos. And then do you have a GoPro or anything with you? I don't, but I do have a camera. I do carry my, you know, my DSLR camera.

And, you know, take video, you know, pictures. What about a weapon? In terms of a weapon, I carry a knife. I have pepper spray. I know it sounds, you know, crazy, but I carry a whistle too. In case, yeah. Yeah, yeah, in case I, you know, I got to like, you know. Yeah, I mean, imagine getting stuck. Do you tell anyone you're going in, like friends or family in case something happens? I do. I always tell my dad.

where I'm going. I shoot him a text message, "Hey, I'm about to go in here." Just because I'm the type that watches a lot of stuff online and documentaries and stuff like that. And I've heard of people meeting their fate at these places, stuff like that. So I'm very prepared. I always let someone know where I am.

you know, definitely, you know, I've had times where, you know, thank God. Prices keep going up these days. It feels like being on an elevator that only goes up.

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SelectQuote. They shop, you save. Go to selectquote.com slash SpotifyPod today to get started. I let someone know, you know? What do your parents think about what you do? They hated it in the beginning. They really did. Especially after I got in trouble a few times. But they just accepted it over time. And especially after seeing how much I started to grow by doing this and how much love...

you know, they saw I had for it. So they started just accepting it over time really. But my parents are very like traditional old school so they're like, you know, they hated it. Yeah, I can imagine. Alright, so you climb the wall, you're in this facility, walk us through it. So, it's very, it was very in pristine condition, surprisingly.

Um, just, I'm saying that because I heard of like, you know, many like high school kids who used to go inside and, you know, do drugs and, you know, like, you know, get intimate with each other in there and stuff like that. So I thought it would be like destroyed, but it was in very pristine condition. And I actually have pictures, you know, like I was, I was exploring, um,

one of the um i believe it was like an office administrative office and they had a bunch of letters from this like the inmates there like the letters that the inmates were writing i don't know if i should call them inmates but yeah so you know they were writing letters to their parents um i saw like you know i opened one of the drawers and i saw like like i guess it was like i don't know what they call it but like

like incident sheet or something. Incident report. Yeah, incident report. And, you know, they were talking about how this kid like, you know, was strangling someone else. And, you know, they were describing his case and stuff like that. And it was just very surreal seeing all this. And it was very surreal seeing all this because they left it there. And it's like, it's just crazy. They just...

got up and left and my biggest stash of keys that I ever found was at Spofford. I was exploring one of the rooms and like under a desk, I saw a bucket and I look in the bucket and it's a bunch of state key hospitals, like hospital state keys.

Like for cells and doors and stuff? Yeah, for cells and doors. And the crazy part is it had Joliet, Illinois written on it. Joliet, Illinois...

is where they film Prison Break. Which is what you visited, right? And we'll talk about that later. Wow. So, you know, I've always been interested in like these abandoned prisons and psychiatric hospitals, like from documentaries. They make it seem like people just literally got up and left. Absolutely. Like it was an emergency and they didn't. Why do you think they don't clear these places out or anything? It's really beyond me, honestly. Like, for example, the craziest abandoned hospital I've ever been to in my life

By the way, abandoned hospitals are my favorite. Probably prisons are second and schools would be third. But the craziest abandoned hospital I've ever been to is called the Bad Debt Hospital. This place has been abandoned for over 20 years. Literally everything is left in there. Thousands of patient files, patient samples, blood samples,

blood bags, IV bags, old pictures of like the people who work there. I literally went into a room and the guy was making, it was like a copy machine room. And it's a picture of the guy in the copy machine room from year 2000. And it's like the same room. And it's just so like surreal seeing that, like how they just left everything like that.

You know, like I think like all this equipment could have been useful maybe. And like the emergency, the operating room was like in like almost untouched. Everything is just in there. And where is that hospital in? It's in a place called Sparta, Georgia. Oh, you went all the way to Georgia for that one. Wow. This place is the first time I went, man, this place is tough.

Because the cops there they know if you're not from around there. So even if you're in the car, they somehow know. Yeah, you don't want to mess with anybody out there like so the first time I went I actually got chased out of the town by the cops over there. So we had to get an Airbnb close by and just let things cool down a little bit. So we changed up the strategy because we went at night. And who's we? It was me and another explorer that you know, he was from that area.

So I kind of feel more comfortable going with someone from that area, you know, like whenever I explore like more of like a high profile place, you know, like a place that's more tough to get into. Now back to the prison for a second. Tell us about the cells. He abandoned cells, what those look like. And if there was anything you were surprised about in there. So in this, I just, I was surprised by how small it was, to be honest.

I believe it was for children, right? I think it was a juvenile place. So like below 18? Yeah, but they might have had some adult people there. Right. But I think mainly it was under 18. So yeah, I was surprised by how small the place was. I took the pictures on my Instagram. I had a wide angle lens and it still makes the place look like the cell still looks small. What was in the cell? So it was like a bunk bed, like a blue bunk bed.

and like a little desk that came out from the wall and then like a little round chair that's like a metal chair and then like bars on the window. Any toilet?

No, I didn't see it. Oh, there's no toilet in the cells. No. Okay. And was there actual cell doors to shut up? Yeah, there was cell doors. Yeah. Wow. I'm surprised there's a toilet. I don't remember seeing a toilet. Maybe that was like the holding area or something. Maybe. Or honestly, maybe there could have been a toilet. I could easily check on my Instagram, but I believe there could have been a toilet. What else was in that building? Was there like a gym? Um, yeah. So there was a basketball gym in there. Um,

There was a pool. A pool? Yeah, literally there was a pool. Yeah, it was actually on the ground level. Wow. Yeah, there was a pool. But the pool was all graffitied up. Like after I went, I saw some pictures of the pool and it was just massively like graphed up. So yeah, the pool. I just remember seeing some of the day rooms. I believe like day rooms where they just went and like, you know, like...

Like everybody was just hanging out and just, I guess, played board games or whatever. The cafeteria. Yeah, it was just, everything was just so surreal that it's just right there, you know? When you're in a place like that, is your mind thinking about, wow, there was people here? Are you envisioning what happened there? Absolutely. Absolutely. Even when I went to Spofford, I actually tried looking up like old pictures from the place. I just love like as I'm walking, just envisioning like...

you know, everything, you know, like, you know, people ate here, you know, someone, you know, you stayed here and then that's just part of, you know, the love I have for this hobby for sure. Now when you hear like a sound or anything, do you freak out or do you ever get scared in those moments? Absolutely. It's funny you say that because as soon as you mentioned that, I think of like a moment right away where like I was exploring an abandoned mental asylum in Maryland and

It was called Forest Haven. And this place is like in the middle of nowhere. And we were in the morgue area. And mind you, the place is totally abandoned. There's no active buildings nearby or anything. And I have a video from, you know, that time too. And I'm snapping pictures and we hear church bells just off in the distance. And we're like, where is this coming from? And none of us...

are pranking each other or anything because it would be obvious it's coming from in the room. But it's just really weird that we heard church bells. But that's just one time where I heard a sound. But any sounds generally would freak me out in an abandoned place. Now these onto the psychiatric hospitals now, I feel like I personally could never go into one of these alone. And there's just something eerie about them.

that's different than probably an abandoned school or even a prison because you know that most of these places that you probably used to torture patients there years ago, like a lot of these places that are closed down, it was the old school type methods. - I mean, look at Creedmoor Psychiatric Center. It's in Queens. They used to do lobotomies on patients. There's been stories of patient abuse. The staff used to abuse the patients and it's in the New York Times.

So absolutely, I get what you're saying. It would be scary exploring these places alone. I have, honestly, explored alone. Did you ever find files like we see in the documentaries and the TV shows and you're reading what exactly happened there at these places? And if so, can you share one of those files you read? Absolutely, yes. Like the Bad Dead Hospital, for example, literally thousands of patient files.

Just like different, you know, I saw like files, patient with HIV, like, you know, stuff that should be like never there, you know, like, and these things are just left there like that. And, you know, I've seen thousands of patient files, you know, blood samples, you know, just crazy stuff, you know, to be honest at these hospitals. Any bodies, dead bodies? I've seen human like ashes, you know.

from the morgue yeah from the morgue but i've never you know seen a dead body i would totally freak out if i ever did um and i and i pray that never happens to me but it is a very big possibility that that that can happen especially in you know like places like you know detroit philly where there's a lot of abandoned places

Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago. These are like hotspots for abandoned places. And a lot of the times homeless people go in there, you know, and sometimes they'll do drugs in there. They could pass away in there. So a lot of the times if you do find that body would be most likely someone homeless or a drug addict. Will you go in at night or only during the day? I've done both. I prefer honestly during the day.

Like right before the sun comes out is the best for me because everybody's asleep if there's security there You know, they're not really functioning at that time. So that is like my ideal time but for creating content and just for

the love and just the thrill and the adrenaline, I like exploring at night as well. Do you believe in like evil spirits or haunted or ghosts or anything when you're going into these places? Like what's your thoughts on that? I don't, to be honest. I think if I did, I wouldn't be able to go into some of these places.

because I've talked to people who are, like who do believe in ghosts and hauntings and they tell me that, you know, they wouldn't be able to go in some of these places 'cause of the energy, you know, the energy that they would feel or that it would, you know, bring them. But honestly, I don't really believe in any of that, even though I've had some, you know, strange things happen to me at abandoned places.

I don't really believe in like ghosts or anything like that to be honest. Tell us about the strange things that have happened. You know, like I was exploring like an abandoned theater in Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania. It's the weirdest theater I've ever been to in my life. It's like a theater with like Arab writing and camels and like Hebrew writing. And like it's shaped like a dome. And it was so weird. It was called the Irim Temple.

It was in Wilkes Barre, PA. So when I explored a theater, I'm already feeling off because I feel like literally someone is in the theater watching me. So I was with two other kids, but you know, they're doing their things, you know, doing photography. But I feel like there's someone watching me like the whole time I'm in that theater.

So I was already like on edge as you, like, as, as you would say. So like, I don't know if that maybe played a role in what happened next, but like, I'm exploring like on top of the theater, there's like another like stage area, like where, like, I think like they used to get ready, like the actors and stuff like that. So, um, I'm like upstairs, like taking some photos and I swear to God, I hear something whisper in my ear.

and there's no one else like up there with me and the whisper is so like I can't even make out what I said but like something whispered like in my ear

And it was crazy. So like that would be like one of the like paranormal things that happened to me. The most paranormal thing that happened to me. So even with that happening, you still don't believe in, you know, that aspect? I don't just because I've never seen anything. I always told myself if I see it or like if I see something like more like, you know, like...

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babbel.com slash Spotify podcast spelled B-A-B-B-E-L dot com slash Spotify podcast. Rules and restrictions may apply. Now, what are some of the crazy moments from exploring like in a danger aspect that you've encountered or some of the trouble you might have gotten in from these visits? I've gotten in some trouble. I've actually gotten in the most trouble I've gotten into. I was actually exploring like an abandoned like it was called the Hamawak Lodge.

it's an abandoned like jewish resort so it was like in mammocating new york so you know we're exploring well we went in before we went in we already made a mistake because we parked the car far away and we're going in through the front and as we're going in a white pickup truck passes and and i can tell it was a guy in there and he spots us going in and we're like you know should we go back so it was me and three other kids

And we're like, you know, should we go back? And we're like, you know, nah, like we came this far, you know? So we decided to explore, you know, an hour passes, nothing happens. So we're in the bowling alley. There's a bowling alley in there. It's like a whole resort. So, you know, there's rooms, bowling alley, you know, like cafeteria, you know, stuff like that. We're in the bowling alley and I'm taking pictures and I see like lights coming in through the cracks of the bowling alley. And yeah,

And then I look back and they're like, "Get on the fucking ground! Get on the ground!" And then we're literally like, it's like something out of a movie. Like, I would not expect that to happen because like literally we're some photographers bro, like really? And literally like between six and eight police officers with guns, some of them holding rifles, some of them have like, you know, like pistols out and they're like, "Get on the ground, get on the ground."

So that's the most trouble I've ever gotten into. I remember them taking us into like the police station. Did they handcuff you and stuff? Oh yeah, they handcuffed us. That's after leaving us on the ground literally for like 20 minutes. I literally couldn't feel my hand or foot for like four hours. It took four hours for it to defrost. Literally. So like we're in the police station and this was the first time in my life like where I ran into corrupt officers.

So I'm in the police station and so me and the three other guys were sitting there, you know, they took pictures of us, you know, they're doing fingerprints and a guy comes in plain clothes. He has like a collar shirt on, dress pants and he comes in. He's like, you guys are in deep shit. You guys are going to go to jail. And I'm looking at him. I'm like, my stomach started hurting. Like, I'm like, bro, like this is fucked up.

He's like, there's only one way out of this. Like you each give me $250 and I'll forget it ever happened. And I was with two other kids who were like, I think they were like a little younger than me. So they were broke. So they're like, oh, like we don't have 250. Me and another kid had the 250. He's like, you all need to have the 250 or it's no deal. So they didn't have the 250 each.

I'm not going to call my parents and tell them, hey, can you send me $250 for my friend? You know what I mean? So he's like, no deal. And he just walks out and I never saw him again. So what'd they charge you with for that? Just trespassing? No, they took it. They went hard. First, they put my mugshot on the internet. They wrote an article about me. What was it called? What did it say? I know what to look up to find the article.

You know, you just look up my name, arrested, you know, whatever. So, yeah, they put my mugshot. I remember emailing them to take the mugshot down. They're like, no, fuck no. We're not taking it down. You know what I mean? They hit me with, you know, arson. Like they tried to hit me with arson because we had smoke bombs, you know, to add effects to the pictures. You know, like, oh, you know, like walking down the bowling alley, you know, smoke, you know.

And they tried, they're like, oh, they had like fire. I forgot what they labeled it exactly. I think they said fireworks. So like they tried to like, you know, they took it really hard. And, you know, I ended up, you know, just paying some fines at the end because I had a very good lawyer and stuff.

So, yeah. Was it a felony or a misdemeanor? No, it was a misdemeanor. Okay. I'm pretty sure if they could have did a felony, they would have. And what did you plead guilty to? Just the fireworks or trespassing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I explained that, you know, the lawyer explained that it was just, you know, smoke. And I actually fucked up too. Like, I forgot to mention that, you know, like, it's okay if I curse, obviously. Yeah. So, like, I forgot to mention that, you know, like, I didn't go to court.

So like I had to go back to court because they let me out on bail and I didn't go back and I actually got hit with bail jumping. So you forgot to go or you didn't purpose? Honestly, I just, I just didn't want to go. I was nervous. I thought I was going to go to jail. I'm not going to lie to you because they were like that. I just thought like this place is so corrupt. You know, they're going to, you know, they're going to screw me. So I remember getting a call on my phone and they're like, it was them, the police. They're like, yo, this is the police. We're going to come get you.

And then I remember like, I was like about to like cry. I was like, dad, what should I do? Like I was much younger at that time. You know, I started this hobby like, you know, like, you know, almost 15 years ago. So, and you know, like he told me like, we got to go. So I remember like having the, you know, do the bail jumping thing. I told her like, I was just feeling sick, you know, the judge. And, you know, I just paid some fines and whatever.

God was watching over me at that time because it could have been much worse. It could have been much worse for that. Yeah, definitely. Now, have you ever encountered a homeless person or someone that attacked you or anything violent in those places? Yeah. So, yes. I actually got chased out of a place with a guy with a machete once. I was exploring like...

An abandoned bed and breakfast. Actually, Abraham Lincoln stayed there. Oh, I've heard of this place before. Yeah, it's in Darby, Pennsylvania. But I think anyone could go visit, right? I don't know. Maybe now. Maybe they converted it now. But at that time, it was in very bad shape. Like the floor was like collapsing. And yeah, I remember we're taking pictures of the staircase. And, you know, a guy comes out in a machete. And he starts like running towards us. And we literally just beelined it out.

And thank God, like he didn't like block us. He blocked the way between us and the exit. We just ran out. And thank God it was like, you know, we explored the top floor. The only place we didn't get to see is like the bottom two floors. And, you know, we just took it as an out, took it as a loss. And just, you know. Who was the guy? Do you know? I don't know, but he looked like he was squatting. Like he was just like temporarily staying there.

He didn't look like homeless too. He didn't look like he was roughed up. He just looked like he was just like squatting there. But he looked angry. He looked pissed.

And he came right for us. And we literally just, I don't know if he was trying to intimidate us, trying to like actually hurt us, rob us. I was not going to stick around and find out. I'll tell you that. When you go into these places, do you see a lot of remnants from people that have recently visited? Maybe like a recent fire they made or like snacks or anything like that? Yeah, unfortunately, it's a very big thing. And, you know, exploring where...

there's an epidemic right now where you know kids are are going into these places like very young kids and and they're destroying these places they're vandalizing them they're lighting them on fire they're you know they're they'd go into old homes where like and they'll like rip everything apart and and just completely destroy everything and and it's it's very sad but um you know

So what do you do when you come across things like that? Do you clean it up or do you just leave it? Honestly, I have a few times. I have a few times where I clean things up. Also, to make it look better for my pictures, I'm not going to lie to you. You know what I mean? Yeah, because you don't want like a bag of Doritos. Yeah, exactly, in my shot. So I'll clean. Sometimes I'll clean something up. But for the most part, I really leave things just the way they are. Like if I see something, you know,

The most I can do is like, I'll make sure I lock up on the way out. You know what I mean? If there was a way that's accessible that I could lock up on the way out to prevent like vandalizers from going in.

I'll do that. Yeah. Are a lot of these abandoned places like locked and chained up and people have just broken into it? Absolutely. So there's most of the time there's like one way in, you know, there's a lot of places where, you know, there's multiple ways. And so a lot of the times there's like one way in, so you can lock up on the way out, you know, take it the extra, you know, step to like protect the place, you know, cause a lot of, you know, squatters, um,

I don't know what they call those people that take the scrap metal. Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. What are they called again? I don't know the word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bleeders. Yeah, yeah, something like that. So, yeah, those people, like, you know, they'll go in and take that stuff. Will you break into a place or is that where you draw the line? I have, I'm not going to lie. I have in the past, but I definitely try enough to never do that.

I try to just, you know, and to be honest, most of the time it's just a clear way in. I don't have to break anything, you know. It'll be like a window that's open, you know, like a door that's already open. Because a lot of these places too, like whoever owns it or someone would go back and like, so they need a way to get into, you know. So like a lot of the times like it'll be open, you know.

But I have broken in many times. Do you ever research what the plans are for these buildings? Like when you go to a place? Definitely. Yeah, it is. It is, you know, part of my interest. I want to see like, you know, what the fate is of the place. A lot of these places surprisingly have no future. They just like there's no plans or you'll see like plans that just never followed like that never went through. And I think like a big part of it is it's very expensive. Yeah.

for demolition and, and, you know, like these projects cost a lot of money and,

And a lot of times they're not worth it. So I think that's why, for sure. So now we were talking before you visited the infamous prison and prison break, and it came up on my For You page last year, which it was probably your video of how, after I just finished the series, of how people can or somehow get in to visit this prison. So was it an actual abandoned prison that they used to film, or did they build that for it?

So it was actually an abandoned prison. You know, there's been some notable people who were arrested, like who spent time there. So it was an actual prison, but they used like one of like, you know, the cell blocks for filming. And where is this located? It's in Joliet, Illinois. Okay. Yeah. So it's a very like, I remember it being like a small, you know, kind of town. Do you know the name of the prison?

It's called Joliet prison. Oh, that's what it's called. So, and then the show it's called Fox River. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's actually called Joliet prison. Yeah. So, um, take us through it. Like from the moment you got there. Um, honestly it's till this day, it has to be one of my like top five favorite explorers just because prison break is very close to me. Like that shows them like one of my favorite shows of all time. Amazing. Amazing show. Um,

They just announced they're bringing it back or a spinoff or something. That would be great. I watched that show three times. It's the only show where I've watched...

More than twice. I might have to go through and rewatch it. Yeah, yeah. It's just great. It's just great every time you rewatch it. Especially the part where he, like, takes off his shirt and, like, the tattoos. Like, the whole blueprint is there. Yeah. And... But, yeah. So, like, going there, it was... It was epic. Like, it was something, like, I've been waiting for for years. Like, I remember waiting three years to go there, you know? So, um...

um thankfully we you know like we met with a kid that's been there before that took us in because the way in is very like a little complicated like so we we had to go in through the front of the prison like through a gate like a fence and then like we had to walk through like like the side of like the building and and go into like another building and go into like

the top of a roof hatch and take the roof hatch and take like a ladder down and then go into another building and then climb through like another like window. And then like, you're finally in like, you know, like the interesting part of like the prison, but it was, it's such a huge prison that, you know, like we really didn't get to see like the whole thing, but you know, I got to see the most, you know, like the parts that I wanted to see, you know, like, you know, the cell block where they filmed, um,

You know, I remember looking for like the medical office where, you know, he was he was being treated by what I forgot her name. Sarah. Yeah, Sarah. Yeah. He's being treated by Sarah. And, you know, the window where he escaped, they all escaped from like the medical window, like in the hospital.

in the doctor's office. Like I think they call it the infirmary, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it looks just like how it looked in the show. Um, the window looks similar, but like, I feel like in the show, like it looked a little different. Um, the wall was definitely whiter. I'll tell you that the wall was all like yellow. And, and, and like when I went, um, but it's just amazing. Like, um, seeing like the cells, um,

And just remembering like what the show looked like and the cafeteria. The cafeteria is insane. It's like this orange and like white colored cafeteria. And it's just like funky looking. Like, I'm like, wow. What did the cell blocks look like? The cell blocks, they look depressing, honestly. But it's just, it's one of the most like,

naturally dilapidated prisons I've ever been to. Just like the paint was all chipped everywhere. And you could like hear the crunch of like the paint chips, like as you're walking and it's just, everything is just so like decaying. Like I just remember it as being like the most decayed prison I've ever like explored. And that place actually like,

Yeah, definitely one of my top five for sure. Was there any remnants from the filming there? Like any old Fox River signs or anything like that? I did not see anything, no. They literally took everything and left after they filmed. So in terms of seeing any...

Remnants from the old show. I didn't see anything. And there wasn't like cops or anything that guard the place? Oh, yeah. There's a guy in a pickup going all around the prison. So they do have security there. Oh, absolutely. I'm sure because the show kind of brought a lot of promotion to it. Yeah, especially because I went after the show and not before. Like, you know, like, because a lot of it was like abandoned too, like when they were filming, you know. So, like before they were filming, I mean. Mm-hmm.

So yeah, it was like, there was a lot of heat in that place. How did the clips, like the whatever you put together for social media perform when you posted that?

It performed really well, surprisingly. I think the clip went very viral. I think I have maybe close to 10 million views on it. Did you put the music from Prison Break on it? Yeah, I did. Yeah, that's got to be the clip I saw. I did, yeah, I did. I put the music and everything. It's just one of my favorite videos. What an iconic song. Yeah, just like, oh man, that room, the infirmary and everything, just the cell blocks, everything was just incredible.

Um, sadly, a lot of the cells were like closed, so I couldn't like access a lot of them, but there was some that were open. Um, and that's actually how that place, you know, like met its demise too. Like now you could visit the place. I believe you could visit. Oh, to get a tour? Yeah. You can get a tour now, but...

Um, there was a kids exploring, you know, like one of the cell blocks and they automatically, like they accidentally locked themselves in one of the cells. Was there power in there? Um, no, there was no power. Okay. No. Now these are the old cells with the, um. The keys. The keys. Yeah. They had like skeleton sliding doors. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. And there are the bars and then there's a toilet and the bed where there's still mattresses and stuff in there. Um, I don't remember seeing mattresses. No, no.

It was pretty cleared out. Yeah, it was cleared out. Yeah. Was it dirty, like stuff cluttered everywhere, like the psychiatric hospitals? It was totally, this one was surprisingly totally cleared out. There was like nothing. So, you know, like I've been to other prisons where I've seen like, you know, more stuff, you know, like I've seen like criminal files and

stuff like that. And surprisingly this one was all cleared out. And I think it had to do a lot with, because they filmed there. A lot of the times where if they use a place for filming,

It's more like, you know, they clear out the place when they leave, you know, like, or the place is already cleared out for them, you know, so they could film. And it's still owned by the state, this prison? I believe so. Yes. Yes, I believe it is. Have you researched if they're going to do anything with it? Other than just having like Halloween tours and, you know, just regular tours, which I don't even think they're operating right now. There's really no future for that place.

And honestly, I don't think there is any future for that place other than what they're already doing or just to demolish it and open an Amazon center, like a Walmart or something. Does it ever put your life into perspective when you're at a prison and you're in the cell and you're like, wow, people actually lived here? Absolutely. Absolutely. Especially in Spofford.

You know, and, you know, any prison cell really, you know, any of these abandoned, you know, prisons I've been to, I just go in the cell and I just sit down and I'm like, wow. Like, you know, sometimes like in Spofford, for example, like I could like, you know, I could touch like, you know, like both sides. And it's just like, wow, you know, like.

It definitely puts things in like, you know, like makes me realize like, you know, like this is this is definitely not something I would want, you know. Do you ever get nightmares from these places? Dreams or weird dreams, vivid dreams, anything like that? I've had weird dreams. I've had weird dreams. You know, I've had dreams where I'm getting chased around a psychiatric hospital and I just wake up and I'm like, oh my God, like what the fuck? Like, you know, like...

After a few years of exploring abandoned places, sometimes when I'm home, I smell asbestos. The smell, I could smell it. It's hard to explain. Just certain things, but yeah. But that's about it. What about animals? Do you see a lot of animals in these places? I've seen bats. I've seen cats, you know.

like baby owls, but nothing really like extremely like dangerous or anything like that. Any dead animals too or no? Absolutely. So many dead animals. Oh, there are a lot of dead animals. Yeah, there's a lot of dead animals in these places. Unfortunately, yeah. I've seen dead cats more than anything. You know, like there'll always be like a dead cat carcass. I've seen a place where I went in

And there's a dead dog on the bed. And supposedly, I don't know like the truth behind it. I don't know if it's just like a rumor started, but supposedly it was the owner's dog that he left. And, you know, the dog just couldn't survive anymore in the house and just passed away on the bed right there. And the dog's still there. The place is still abandoned. Wow. Yeah.

So now do you make money from doing this? Is this like a job for you now? I know you're in school, but... It's more like a hobby to me, honestly. And I say that because I didn't really make much money off, you know, social media, you know, like, to be honest. Um...

But you have a lot of followers. Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. And I am going to like, you know, start releasing like merch, for example. And like, you know, like I'm going to be starting releasing full length YouTube videos, you know, uploading on shorts and stuff like that. But, you know, I am looking more like, you know, to make money now. But I looked at it before as more like a hobby. But now that like,

I've gotten a few news appearances. I was on the Wall Street Journal, New York Post twice, Fox Business. So now that I'm seeing that I'm getting more recognition, I want to start taking this a little bit more seriously. And what is their interest in you? Fox Business interviewed me about the dangers behind exploring. Wall Street Journal, it was about that I visited an abandoned town in Italy.

And I was being followed by drones. Literally, I have videos. I have videos on my TikTok. And who do you think ran the drones? So I found out who it was. It was a government, government drones in Italy. And the reason why they have drones going over this town is because it's illegal to go back. Like a lot of the family want to go back and they want to take their stuff. And it's illegal. And also people will vandalize and steal things.

So, and they also like analyze like the area, like, so like I found out there were like research, like government research, like security drones. And it's just crazy because, you know, like we get there at night and imagine seeing a drone at night flying. It's like insane. So we get there at night and we're going through the town, like we're going through the town because we were going to camp out at one of the abandoned houses.

until morning and then explore the whole town. So like we look up and a drone is right there. We're like, what the, like, I can't, like, I don't know if like, like, like you comprehend this, like, this is crazy. Like a drone is literally right on top of us. And at that time we didn't think, oh, it's like, you know, like a government drone. We're like,

What the hell is this? Like, we're just totally like freaked out. You don't know if it has weapons or it's going to like explode. Exactly. Like at that time, my mind was going crazy. I'm not going to lie to you. So I actually like, we psyched, we were psyched like enough to just leave. Like we were just freaked out. We just left and we stayed at an Airbnb like nearby.

And, you know, the Airbnb ended up being so shitty. Like they lied. They're like, oh, we have Wi-Fi, internet. Ended up being no Wi-Fi, no internet. So we couldn't like do any research or anything the way we wanted to. There was no internet. We were in the mountains. This place is like in the middle of nowhere. It's in a place called Fossa, like literally in like Northern Italy in the mountains. And we ended up going back the next day because we drove so long.

We ended up going back in the daytime. We're like, fuck it. You know, like maybe those drones were just there at night and we ended up going back in the daytime and the drones were following us all around the town, all around the fucking town. They were just following us right on top of us, like hovering. And then there's other drones in the distance, you know, like, uh, and, and, you know, like we ended up just exploring. Nothing ever happened on our way out. We see like a red military vehicle, uh,

Passing us and the guys like, you know, what are you guys doing? And we're like, oh, you know, we're just you know, like exploring he's like, yeah, we see you guys He's like you guys can't go in any of the buildings. They ended up being very nice. I thought we were screwed I thought we were like, you know gonna get locked up imagine you got locked up in trouble. Yeah, that's what I'm saying I thought like I started like my stomach dropped. I thought we were screwed and they ended up being like the nicest people and

the nicest like military guys and they're like if you want to like you know talk about anything meet us like all the way in the down and they had like this whole like military like set up on the bottom of the town like in the ground level so like it's like a big circle and they're like all the way on the bottom and the town is like around like on the hills um and they told us if you can only stay like on the bottom like where we are if you want to like take pictures so you know it ended up being like

cool and everything but it was just you know it was crazy the drone thing was was just insane so yeah so you know they ended up um yeah they ended up interviewing me about that what are some of the top places on your list that you want to visit next uh i really want to go to japan japan is is incredible the abandoned places there are incredible they have like a whole like zone like a whole city where it's just abandoned uh after a nuclear um

fallout i believe it's like it's like an um from where the nuke went off that the u.s bombed or i i know i think it's fukushima i think it was like um i think it was like a workplace accident or something and then like radiation ended up going in the air but the whole place is just the whole city's abandoned and there's levels there's like level one level two level three and then level four is extremely like

There's like hospitals that are like literally untouched, like frozen in time over like, you know, the last like 15 years, you know, and like,

The spaces are fascinating to me. I want to go see them. Could you see yourself going to like Chernobyl? Absolutely. Yeah. I would say I want to go there like the second most. I want to go to like Chernobyl, explore Chernobyl. That was a great documentary that HBO did on that. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yes. Yes. That place is fascinating for sure.

I definitely would need to wear, like, protective gear for sure, though. I think they do tours or they, there's something that gets you. Yeah, there's people that you could pay that take groups out. It's more, like, common now, you know, for, like, people to go visit Chernobyl where, like, before, like, it was a whole thing where you need to, like, trespass and, you know, like, avoid security and stuff like that. But nowadays, you know, like, you can.

You can visit if you have money, you know, Chernobyl. So do you always see this being a hobby or do you think you'll ever take it as like more of a business or? I eventually want this to be, I want to take this more serious. You know, like I would love to like make a, you know, like work on a show or something, you know, like, you know, like I want to release merch, like I said, you know, merch that would help people, you know, who are exploring. Like certain things that I noticed that,

like an everyday carry item needs that would improve it. Like that would make exploring easier, you know, like, so like there's some things I have in mind that I want to like start, you know, taking it more from a hobby to like more serious. Have you ever had like streamers or influencers reach out to come along with you so they could get footage and stuff? Absolutely. Yeah. Um, like for collabs and all that? Yeah. Yeah. I have a, you know,

A few people I have collabed with, you know, they put up like YouTube videos and stuff like that. You know, I took like to like mental hospitals and, you know, they created content. You know, I shot a few like music videos at these abandoned places for some like artists. Not like extremely big artists, but I would say like,

you know, like underground well-known artists. So yeah, definitely. And will they pay you for that? Oh yeah, definitely. Um,

The collabs, no, because it's more like we're collabing. Yeah, mutual. Yeah, like a mutual thing. But the music videos, yes. I could see you being like a tour guide. I mean, it's probably illegal to do. Yeah, absolutely. I see myself doing that too. Yeah, or you could do like streams, you know, like live streaming. I don't know how the internet is in some of these places. It would do well. It would do well, surprisingly. But just like service-wise, you might need to get like a little satellite adapter or something. I don't know how your service is.

yeah going into some of these places yeah yeah absolutely yeah so some of these places this is bad service and you know something you gotta like deal with really like uh some of these places are just in very isolated areas i've been to places literally you get no bars like in the hospital in sparta forget about it you're getting no bars even outside outside the hospital you know what i mean you're getting no signal

So what's the next place you have on your list to go to that's already booked and planned? Um, booked and plans. I would say the, there's the abandoned school from the Netflix documentary is, is literally on my go-to. And that's the program that we were talking about. The program. Yeah. From the program. Um, yeah, that place is, uh,

just watch after watching documentary like it makes me want to explore even more yeah yeah and those places literally because they went bankrupt and they closed down right away so there's all the documents exactly literally everything mattresses books everything and yeah that's makes it even better for me um but yeah some of these places are just like the craziest places are just you would never think it's right here like recently I've been to um

He's like a mob, like he was like a mob boss, like Arab guy. And it's an abandoned house in Staten Island. And it's the craziest abandoned house you'll ever see. Wait, like John Gotti's old place? I've been to John Gotti's old place. That's abandoned too, right? Yeah, it was. It was abandoned, but I see them doing some work now on it. And I know like, I think 50 Cent has an abandoned one in Connecticut. Yeah.

There's an abandoned 50 cent place. Oh shit. I would have to look into that one. Yeah. I think there is an abandoned one in Connecticut that like after he sold her, it didn't sound or no, there's a few abandoned celebrity places. I know what you're talking about in Long Island though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That place they filmed a growing up Gotti there. So when I was exploring that place, I found a picture of like, like the brothers and the mom and,

like an actual picture they took of like themselves, you know, like family photo. So I see it there and it's just right there. I could tell like someone else was looking at it and just left it right there. But yeah. I might have to come with you to one of these prisons or something. Oh, absolutely. That would be great. I mean, we could do a collab. It could be like illegal. We can go in the legal way, you know what I mean? Yeah, I think we got to do a legal way. Yeah, we can do something, you know. We can definitely do something like that. Yeah.

But yeah, it's just, yeah, these places are incredible. Like the house that I was just telling you about, the guy stopped paying his taxes and he fled the country. And it's crazy. If you see the videos, one of my most viewed videos ever, I have 92 million views on it. Holy cow. Yeah. And the guy just left, like the family just got up and left. At that time, it was one of the most expensive mansions in Staten Island.

And the guy got up and left the BMWs. They have a BMW like turbo in the garage and a Mercedes SUV. They just left it there. Wow. Yeah, they just left it there. And after I posted the video, it went so viral that the girl who used to live there,

who's now living in Egypt message me Egypt yeah she's like dude I used to live in that house that's me from that photo I took like I in the photo there's like photos of like you know children and like family she's like that's me from that photo and then I look at her IG page and it's

They literally, like, even though it was her when she was younger, they look, like, the same. And it's the same, like, family name. Wow. So I'm like, wow, this is incredible. How do you pick what music goes on the background of some of these videos you put together? Honestly, I like creepy. I feel like the music's a big part of it. Yeah, it is. I like creepy shit. Like, I like creepy music. I like the creepy vibe. Yeah.

Most of the time I'm just like scrolling through the music and just whatever just has like a good vibe like that. I like really that's how I pick the music. Fascinating stuff, man. Yeah, it really is. Thank you. Well, Rami, I appreciate you coming on the show today, man. I appreciate it. Definitely. Yeah, man, it was good to chat about this. I'm definitely going to come on a try to, you know, see some illegal route.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. To get those abandoned prisons or psychiatric hospitals that will come. That actually would be great. That actually would be great. I think that would be really cool. And then I'll put on my social media too. Absolutely. To check that out, you know, get some pictures and stuff. Absolutely. But yeah, I always love doing different episodes on the show. It splits it up for the audience, you know. So not every show is a prison show or a crime show or addiction show, you know. Absolutely. It keeps it fresh and entertaining. So this was a really interesting look and perspective.

But yeah, keep doing your thing, man. Thank you. I appreciate it. If you need anything, reach out. Thank you. And keep doing your thing with the show. It's amazing. Literally. Thank you. I like the direction you're going in. Yeah. Every episode's quality. Top quality. That's what the thing is. You know, high quality. Absolutely. Quantity, but quality.

at the same time too. And not every episode will the audience relate to the guest, but there's just so many they can pick another one. Plenty of episodes. Honestly, there's something that can relate to everyone. Yeah. But sometimes the guest isn't necessarily the best storyteller. Like there'll be a lot of I know, I know, or um, or this, or you know, they'll repeat certain words, but they're not professional storytellers.

Exactly. You know, so what are you going to expect? I mean, me, for example, you know. No, you did a solid job, you know. Thank you, thank you. You kind of knew what to expect. I feel like the guests that watch a show that come on, they know what to expect, so they perform a certain way. But, you know, not everyone's like that. But that's what keeps it raw and organic, you know. Yeah. And as long as the format stays the same, you just keep pushing out content, you know. Absolutely. There's so many stories. Yeah, having a good host helps too. Definitely. You know, like a good, you know,

Yeah, and just creating a safe environment. Like some people say, oh, you got to push back on some of these guests. It's not my job to do that. I let the guest, the guest will, you know, make their own trap for themselves if they come on here and lie the whole time and someone just researches it and found out they lied, you know? Absolutely. It's not on me to sit here and say, because it's an uncomfortable situation. If you're doing an interview, I'm going to say, oh, you're a liar. This can't be true, this or that. No one wants that.

Absolutely. It's a lame show, you know? Yeah, yeah. So it's interesting. Like if you're watching your favorite TV show or a movie that's like a documentary, you're not getting, oh, you're a liar, you're this, you're that throughout it, you know? You let the audience kind of feel that out. Absolutely. But yeah, thanks again, brother. Thank you. And stay in touch. Thank you for having me. Keep doing you, man. Thank you so much. Thank you.