Inside the Harsh Reality of Doing Time in Rhode Island’s Prison System | Jovante Palin
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And you guys weren't speeding, right? No, I wasn't speeding, nothing. They just made up an excuse about something on my mirror and stuff like that. But, you know, it's the face tats. They always...

They always trying to pull me over for that. Well, I mean, there was four of you guys deep in the car. Yeah, that too. Yeah, that could do it. With the face down. That could definitely do it. It sucks it happens, but at least you guys got here okay and it worked out. Hopefully it was a smooth ride over here. Yeah, two hour drive, but it was worth it, you know? Appreciate you for having me on here. Yeah, plug in like your music, what you got going on in your life and we'll have the links to it. Yeah, of course, of course. I've been, you know, I've been doing music since I was like,

say like 13, but like I never took it serious until...

Like at least 15 years old But I never like dropped music like that I never dropped no videos Never dropped no I was just freestyling every single day You know what I mean? I was one of those kids that would be I would go on with my boy For like a whole year We would go on like roofs and stuff Like down top of the city And we would just start freestyling Freestyling It was crazy like So I told them I was like Yeah I'm trying to take this serious one day

But I was just stuck up in the streets, like, you know what I mean? So, like, I never really, like, got a cameraman. And Rhode Island scene, it wasn't even like that then until, like, at least 2015, 2016. It started getting serious. But other than that, yeah, I just... Once I turned, like, at least two years ago, I started doing the videos, right?

So two years ago, I can say that I took it serious. I feel like you kind of got a Boston accent a little bit, even though you're from Rhode Island. Anyone ever tell you that? He said a little Boston accent. I don't know. It's just like a hint in some of the words you're saying. I mean, Boston is right there, but... Yeah. Anyone ever say that to you? You have a little bit of an accent? A couple people, but I don't get that much.

People just be hating sometimes. Yeah, I think I've interviewed so many Boston guys I could pick it off. Oh, yeah, for sure. So did you grow up in Rhode Island? Yeah, I grew up all my life in Rhode Island. I never, honestly, I went to the only place I ever been to was like New York, like a couple of times and stuff like that. But I never went out of the country or anything like that.

Not yet, at least. China. Where in Rhode Island? Get that going. Where in Rhode Island? Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Is that a nice area in Rhode Island? I mean, yeah, it's not bad, but yeah, stuff gets down there. But like, I'm from the east side, Pawtucket. Yeah, I mean, it's all right. I mean, the crime rate, you know what I mean? If you're talking about the crime rate, then you can go out there, but...

Unless you're like banging out there, if you're gangbanging out there, then yeah, you're going to, it's a smaller state. You know what I mean? You're going to run into somebody. You know what I mean? So I always run into people because especially with the face tats, if you're over there gangbanging, it's like you're definitely running into somebody if you're walking down the street. You stick out. Yeah, stick out for sure. For sure. Who'd you grow up with? Who do I grow up with? So I have my mother.

My dad was doing life, but yeah, I have my mother. She's like my best friend. She was there with me through everything, you know what I mean? Jumping house to houses and stuff like that, but she's definitely the one that I grew up with. And my step-pa, shout out to him too when he came into my life. But yeah, it was just my mother the whole time. And then I got my brother, my little brother, and my... I'm the oldest, so...

And then I had my sister and my other, and then they had my other brother. Was your dad in prison before you were born? No, no, no. He got in prison when I was like eight years old. Okay. Yeah, he did life in there. Were you old enough to know what prison was and what he did and everything like that? Honestly, I didn't really like know why he was in there for a long time.

Until I was at the barber shop one day and the barber's like, I know your dad. Yeah, he did this. I'm like, huh? I'm like, what? Yeah, it was crazy. But yeah, I mean, he did 17 years, stuff like that. But when he did get locked up, I was like, yeah, like eight or nine or something like that. And like...

Every time when I'm in school, I always had a... Like, at first, for, like, a couple months, I had to have a cop, like, by my side at school because what he did, like, all the people, you know what I mean? They just didn't want to chance it. But, yeah, it's just...

It cooled down a little bit after the years because 17 years is a long time. Did you have any relationship with your dad before he got life? I mean, I would go visit him. Like, my mom would bring me to visit him and stuff like that. And when I got older, I comprehended the...

like him he's locked up you know what I mean that's my dad so I gotta go visit him try to get a connection so yeah I would visit him here and there and then he got out and we don't really talk much like that but you know it's still my pops but now tell us about your mom what did she do for work where'd she come from what's like your um so yeah when he did that like she was a single parent for like a long time so like

She had it rough a little bit, but everybody goes through things like that. But, yeah, she was a good mother, though. She always made sure I had something to eat, even when I was homeless. Like, she always made sure I had something to eat and stuff like that. She made it through. She was working, and I was with my grandmother in the Heights, and, yeah.

Yeah, she just, she made it work out. You know what I mean? That's like my best friend. She was always there. Would you say you guys struggled for money? I mean, yeah. I mean, she was on welfare. So like we struggled, but the thing is like she always made it work. Like every time, like.

But recently, like, we was homeless and stuff like that. But, you know, everybody goes through things like that. How would people describe you as a kid? Like, your childhood best friend or even your siblings, what would they say you were as a kid? I mean, if you're talking about, like, my teenage years, honestly, I was just, like, always in training school. Like, every time I got out for a week, I'll go right back in because I was just...

I was inside the streets, you know what I mean? Like, I was outside kid. I wasn't like these new kids in these generations playing video games and stuff like that. I was just always outside, like, by this, by Jenks, like, the school that I grew up at with all my friends would be like 20 deep just every single day, 12 years old, over there drinking, just partying, just chilling, you know what I mean? Like,

With a lot of people, man. Like... But, yeah, I was just outside every day. It's just, honestly, that's why every time I went into trainer school and then I got out the next day, it's like, damn, I'm free again? And then...

Next week later, I'm locked up again. And I'm like, damn, I'm locked up again. It's like... Now, training school, you call juvenile detention? Mm-hmm. That's what they call it in Rhode Island? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, training school is juvenile detention. Yep. When was the first time you got locked up? And what did you do? So the first time I was locked up was like, I think, 15 or 14, something like that. But so I got a high-speed chase with one of my brothers. And...

We had this stolen car for like a whole month, like literally a whole month, just driving around like it's my car. And we was just going through like Cumberland over here and robbing all these stores, just trying to just get and buy and stuff like that. And one day this cop, I'm driving down the street and my boy is like, yo, there's a cop right there. I'm like, all right. So yeah.

I acted normal. And I'm 15 years old. You know what I mean? He's seeing a little ass kid driving a car. And that's when I didn't have face stats or nothing like that. And so when I drove past him, he just pulled his lights on real quick. Err.

And then I stopped real quick to let him, like, slow down. And then I sped up. Just started drifting the whole neighborhood, just having mad fun with it. Because I was a little kid, so I was just having mad fun. Drifting on him, dipping on him. And then at one point, we lost him. And then when we lost him, he caught back up. And when he caught back up, I was like, yeah, we're going to have to go on foot. So my boy has a warrant. My other boy's in the back.

Screaming, ah, you know what I mean? Like, bro, slow down, slow down. And then, so boom, we're going, I drive in the backyard. Once I drove in the backyard, we start running on foot. I'm running through thorn bushes and stuff like that. I'm like, and then I go in the shed. I'm hiding in the shed. And then I was like, you know what? I'm just going to training school again. You know what I mean? It ain't nothing serious. So boom, I hopped out the shed and

Stopped walking down the street. My grandmother lived across the street. So I'm like... One cop goes by. And then another cop goes by. I'm like, I'm good. I'm dirty. I'm looking like I just came out the woods. And there's really mad woods around us. So boom, it took that last cop to pull me over. He's like...

What are you doing? I know you was in the high speed chase. I said, huh? I don't know what you're talking about, officer. I'm just going back to Pawtucket. And then he's like, nah, look at your clothes. I'm like, yeah, I just came out the woods. I'm just playing. I'm 15 years old. You know what I mean? I'm a little ass kid. I'm just playing around in the woods. He's like, I don't believe that. I heard on the walkie talkies that they caught one of my boys. And I'm like, all right, officer, it was my car. He had nothing to do with it. You know what I mean? We get back to the station.

Once we're in the station, I'm sitting in the cell, looking out the window, and then I see my boy come up all wet, everything straight soaked. And I'm like, damn, what is he? Went in a pond or something? I'm like, what the heck? And then my other boy, one of my brothers, he came up, and then we're just sitting in the cell, and then the one kid that was in the back seat said,

He starts snitching on me. He's like, it was Javante's car. He's the one that picked me up to go bring me somewhere. I didn't know it was stolen. And once I heard all that, I'm like, bro, I'm already admitting to the charge. Like it was my car. You know what I mean? Why is this kid snitching on me? Like, it's just crazy. And then I got my other brother. Nah, I did it with him.

And I'm like, bro, you didn't have to get charged for that. Like, you're talking about you did it with me? Like, come on now. But no, yes. So he snitched on me. Fuck you, Nick. And yeah, my brother, man, he just... We both went to training school together. We was over there just, yeah. How much time did you get for that? For that, I went to Ocean Tides. It's like a group home type thing. So I went to Ocean Tides for like...

say about six months and then and I was in there with him like I did like four months in training school and then the last yeah three months I did or something like that in Oceanside so I did four months in training and then three months inside Oceanside

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I was so, like, addicted to being, like, out there, like, chilling with my brothers and stuff like that that I always just left. You know what I mean? But, yeah, I made it to 12th grade, but the reason why I made it to 12th grade is because training school. So when I was in regular school, all the teachers and stuff like that, they just...

They just knew that I always left and stuff like that and didn't like show that I didn't want to be there. But every time I did try, they were like, oh, you know, I don't think this is looking good for you. I'm like, huh? I'm like, you're supposed to teach me. And then they just looked down on me. So I like I just quit that. And then when I went to training school, like they actually try to help you.

You know, they didn't look at you some certain way. You got all the kids because, like, I was always with a big group of kids that... And I couldn't be with a big group because I always got into a little something with somebody. So when I went to training school, it was just a little class. You know what I mean? And, like, kids just like me, that's always, you know? And then...

So I got all my credits up. When I got all my credits up in training school, once I got out, they're like, oh, you could pass next year. I'm like, what? I'm like, word, all right. So I'm over here actually trying to, like, do the work and stuff like that. But my head's just always just something's going through my head all the time out there. So it's just...

And then the last time I was in training school, I was really 18 years old in training school. And I was supposed to be in the ACI. But the thing is, I ran away from Ocean Tides. I waited until... Because they cut my passes because I got locked up with one of my brothers for doing some stupid shit. And once I got locked up, they cut your passes for two weeks. So I'm like, damn, I'm sitting there inside my room. I'm like...

Everybody's out right now. I'm just sitting here with no passes. I'm sick. I'm like, damn. So it was a big ass snowstorm one day. Once the snowstorm came, I was like, all right. And the staff, they come around like every half hour. So when he came around, boom, I'm pretending I'm sleeping. And then I'm

Shut my door. I put my Tupac hoodie on. Boom. Put the Tupac hoodie on. Grab like two other hoodies. Put them under. Grab like five pairs of socks. Grab like three pairs of sweatpants. Some champion sweatpants. I grabbed my MP3. Put my headphones on. Went right out the window. Big ass snow. I'm like, damn, I'm about to walk this from Narragansett all the way to Pawtucket.

I'm like, shit, this is crazy. I'm like, whatever. I start walking down the street and now I'm trying to find the bus stop because when you get late passes with the program, you have to go take the bus back to your city to get your pass. And I always got late passes. So I knew where the bus stop was. So boom, I went to the bus stop.

I'm sitting there. I missed the last bus. I was heated. So once I was sitting there, I missed the last bus. I'm at the McDonald's across the street. And this is when I smoked cigarettes. I quit that a couple years ago. But I'm walking down the street. And then I went to the McDonald's. Boom, I'm calling everybody up. Hoping someone answers. Come pick me up. Boom, no one answered. No one answered. I'm like, all right. And then there's these two girls that let me use the phone.

I'm like, yo, you got a cigarette? She's like, yeah. I'm like, all right, good luck. So I was like, I got to walk all the way to Providence. You know how far and where to go for that? She said, you're going to walk? I said, I got to. She said, I mean, you got to take the highway. I'm like, shit, that's hot. But all right. And then she's like, yeah, you might as well go to that guy's station and sit there for the night.

And then wait for the buses. I'm like, all right, whatever. So, boom, I tried to ask somebody else for the phone and they came back, the two girls, and was like, would you need a ride? I'm like, to be honest, I definitely need a ride. I got no money, though, for you. Like, I got nothing in my pockets. They're like, nah, that's fine, that's fine. And then, boom, they brought me all the way to Prov. And then they brought me to Pawtucket.

I went to my brother's house and he's like, what are you doing? Like, yo, bro, I'm out. You feel me? I just got out. I'm chilling. He's like, what? You just lost your passes. I'm like, yeah. And then, yeah, from on there, I was like, I was just chilling. And then like a month later,

They told me I had court and stuff. If I turn myself in, I'll just go back to training school. And that's where I'm coming from when I was 18 in training school because I violated juvenile detention center, like the group home. I violated the juvenile. So they bailed me out of training school. And that was my last bit in training school when I was 18. And then I did, I think like about like five months for that, for running away and stuff.

Got out and started my ACI bids. Now, did you aspire to be like your dad? Like, did you think him being in prison was cool? And like, you know, I mean, like the street rep or? I mean, yeah, at a point. But it's like, damn, I don't want to be like him. You know what I mean? When I was younger, definitely. I was like, man, my pops is locked up. I mean, ain't nothing. I'm over here doing juvenile bids.

But at the same time, I was like, damn, I ain't trying to be like him. You know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to actually change my life in a different type of way. But then I ended up like that. And I just got into trouble. But I slowed down a little bit now. Now I'm slowed down. I got two kids right now. Full-time dad. So it's like... Did you want to go to college or anything? I know you said you were passionate about music, but...

I always wanted to like do something in school. Like I'm trying to go back to GED and stuff like that. Once I seen my brother graduate his college, I was like, I'm trying to go to college. Like this is crazy. But, you know, I got to go do a whole bunch of steps to even go back to college. Now Trump's president. So he's stopping all that education stuff.

Whatever he's stopping, but... Well, he's not stopping education. Well, not the education, but the free to get into college for free. That's what I heard, at least. I'm not sure on that. You might want to fact check that. But I know it's more just like the federal level. Oh, right. You know, he wants to shut down the Department of Education. Oh, yeah.

It's different on there's still gonna be you know education in the States people all right. Yeah, he's still passionate about yeah Definitely look into that then yeah, definitely check that out sure and there's a lot of programs up there for incarcerated or ex-incarcerated individuals You know and resources out there for you to check out all right So how did your mom feel about you getting into trouble as a kid where your siblings getting into trouble? Or were you like the I mean my mom like she

She's always by my side and stuff like that. She always like, oh, this is my son. Like I got to, you know what I mean? So like when I got into trouble, she'll be mad. Like she'll be like, oh, she'll be crying and stuff like that. I'll be calling off through the jail phones. I'm like, did it again. She's like, so just why you got to do this and stuff like that? But she was always like, you know, lesson learned, I guess.

But yeah, when I turned 18, got out of training school, that's when I just started the ACI. I was installing cars and doing all that dumb shit like that. And she just, she was always by my side no matter what. Like, if I tell her, yo, tell the cops this, she'll be like, oh, he was here at home. You know what I mean? Like, she wasn't one of those moms that'd be like, yeah, yeah.

He wasn't here. He did that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not putting no money in his account. I'm not answering his calls. She was always by my side. Like, she'll answer the calls, every phone call I get. You know what I mean? Every phone call that I made to her, she answered. She'll put money in my books, stuff like that. Were you running with a gang at all?

Yeah, I mean, like, I was growing up, I grew up on, at first, I was on the other side of town that I be on now. Like, my father, he grew up on the other side of town. And, but when I grew up, that's where I grew up, was from the east of Pawtucket.

That's what I just sticked with is the east side. So it was like an east side gang is what you guys called yourselves? Yeah, Bucket East, like little east side thing that we got going on. But I lived on the other side for a while, like the west side. When I was a little kid, though, with my father and stuff like that, my mom lived there. Like I never lived with my father because he was always locked up and stuff like that. I was always with my mom, but she lived out there for like a little bit.

And then we moved back to the east side when I was, like, I'd say, like, 12 years old when she got with my stepdad. So once we moved there, that's when, like, I started running with all these kids and stuff like that. That's why I just, every time I try to, um...

When I try to, like, go out places and stuff like that. And then that's when I started getting my face... When I did my first ACI bid, when I was 18, I was turning 19. I was like, yo, let me get a face tat. Like, I seen Lil Durk. I'm like, yo, he got a fly face tat. Let me get one. That was my loyalty tat over here. So I got that. And then...

Month later, I get back in there for a freaking knife, something dumb. Once I got in there for a knife, then I got out. And then I just got out and boom, I go. I'm with my BM. We're over there like trying to find a car because we just walked like mad miles and stuff like that. So we're trying to get back home. And boom, when we try to find a car to go, still to go get back home, I was like, we finally found one.

And then, boom, I had the car for like a week. And then my boy called me. And he's like, yo, can you pick me up? Bring me somewhere. I'm like, I'm over here arguing with my BM and stuff like that. I'm like, yeah, whatever. Brought him to the hospital real quick.

And then he gets out and my other boy is like, yo, pick me up. I'm like, bro, you just did five years. You think I'm picking you up in a stolen car, bro? Like, come on now. How stupid can you be? He's like, I got that, bro. You just dropped me off here. I'm like, all right. But cops pull me over. I'm dipping on them. Like, I'm just letting you know that right now. Like, you just did five years. He's like, all right, that's fine. So boom, I pick him up. And now we're riding.

And then all of a sudden, five minutes later, the cops is behind us. I'm like, bro, I told you. Like, now I got to flex. My BM's in the passenger seat. My two boys is in the back. And then the cop, like, I, like, stopped a little, just like I did in my last high-speed chase. I stopped. I let the cop come on my BM. Like, yo, flex, flex. You just got out of jail. I'm like, hold on. Cop pulls out the gun. I said, er, dip on him. I'm going 120 on the side road.

Straight crash into a wall. Once I crashed into the wall, we flipped the whole car. Boom. Once we, like the car stopped.

My BM's over here, knocked out in the passenger seat. My two boys is in the back seat. One of my boys hops out. So I'm like, yeah. I grab my iPhone 6. That was when the iPhone 6 just came out. I grab my iPhone 6, put it in my pocket, open the door for my BM's side, push my BM out the door, picked her up, started running with her a little bit. And then I dropped her on the floor and slapped her face like that. I'm like, yo, wake up, wake up.

She finally woke up after like 10 minutes. I'm like, the cops is all the way down there. Cause I was going 120 on the side of her. They was back there. And, um, but when she woke up, she's like flex. I'm like, I bet. So I dipped on her cause she, she told me to, she's like, you just got out, be out. Flex went behind the shed. And now we got the iPhone six. So, um,

You got the locations on there. I'm like, yo, where you at? She's like, I don't know. Follow your location, blah, blah, blah. We met up back up. We're hopping through yards and shit like that. And this big ass rock whale was inside the backyard. I was so heated. I'm like, fuck. Yo, I hopped in. I didn't even notice him at first. I hopped in the yard. He starts chasing me. I'm out. And, um...

I'm used to running from the dogs though because in my neighborhood, like right over there, it used to be these dogs that always got out the fence and I always had to go to school running from them, hopping on cars and stuff like that. So I'm over there. I hopped the fence. Boom. My BM, we met up. And then we just went in a car for like a whole hour just sitting in some random person's car waiting for the cops to die down. And I'm like, you know who I could call?

My mother, boom, go to my mother, pick me up. She came, went to come pick me up. Cop stopped her. She said, I'm going to get medications, blah, blah, blah. So, boom, she picked me up. I found out. I met my boy that was in the back seat. He's like, yo, Tyler's snitching on you, bro. I'm like, huh? He's like, I went back to the scene. I heard everything. He's over there telling your girl's name, your name. I'm like, what? I'm like, bet.

So now I'm thinking I'm on the run the whole time and I'm living and I'm sleeping in a hotel just for like two weeks, literally like. And then once I got bagged up again for some little petty stuff, it was like I forgot what it was. I think it was a knife again. I had a big knife on me and the car. Oh, yeah, it was. Boom. It was at Sunoco.

The cop pulls me over over there. And he was like, oh, a robbery happened down the street. I was like, what? I was like, what you mean? That wasn't me. He's like, oh, it happened with a gun. So you got a gun on you? I'm with my BM and my two brothers. I'm like, we got no guns on us, officer. I just got a knife on me. He's like, all right. It didn't happen with a knife. I'm like, I bet.

pulls out the knife some big ass machete he's like um this is pretty big knife over here he's like i was like hey it didn't happen with a knife right so right he um he's like all right you're getting locked up for this boom locked me up and then i went to um jail for 40 days for that and this is the first time i paid for a lawyer like i never paid for a lawyer for any of my charges

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I'm in there. I'm doing the 40 days. And I go to seg. Because I just jumped in some fight for my boy. Seen him getting jumped. And I jumped in. Banged the other dude. And boom. I'm in seg. I'm chilling. It was K-Mod at the time. Because now it's H-Mod. They call it Hell Mod in seg. But K-Mod is some little block. It's the quarantine block now. Because of all COVID and stuff like that. They had to change it up. But yeah.

I was in K-Mod and I'm sitting in there for like 40 days and um they were like oh you got caught this is supposed to be my last day I'm supposed to get out I'm like well I'm getting out tomorrow fuck's sake you know what I mean I'm in there for 21 days fighting this kid and um it's literally my last day and I'm about to get out I'm souped and then um

They called me for court the next morning. I'm like, why am I going to court? They're like, I don't know. You just got caught. I'm getting out tomorrow. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm getting out. Am I getting out of court? I'll be super on that right now. And then, yo, I go to court. Judge is like damaging property, stolen motor vehicle, alluding the police. And I'm like, they gave me his whole statement.

I was heated I'm sitting in that cell They gave me six more months So I did the six months plus the 40 days And I'm still in sec I'm like damn I'm supposed to get out Now I'm sick I'm just sitting there like Fuck And then um

Boom, so when you get sentenced, you go to another building, like medium or minimum or max, stuff like that. If you fight a lot and you don't got a serious charge, you go to max. That's if you fight a lot and stuff like that. But if you get in trouble a little bit or whatever, you go to medium. And then minimum is the lowest one, which is the most freedom-est one. You go on the work crew, on the highway and stuff like that.

but I went to medium and did that whole entire six months and I was heated bro because if you never said nothing I would have been out that day like that's how it always goes now why the knife why did you need a knife that big um did you consider yourself like a violent person did you ever use it or is it just another yeah I mean yeah I mean so me and my brothers we just got pulled up on that day by the kids from the other side and stuff like that but um

So we just went back home, got it. And then we just went to this party. When we went to this party, we left that party. And that's when that happened. My boy was hungry. He's like, yeah, we need to stop at this store. I'm like, bro, we're going home, bro. You feel me? Like, we ain't doing this right now. He's like, no, I'm hungry. So boom, we stopped there. And that's when the cop pulled up.

Now, you kept saying the words BM, and for those that don't know, that means baby mother. Yeah, baby mother, you know, my kid's mother. How old were you when you had a kid? So I was 19 when I had my first kid. How do you feel about that, looking back on it? You know, that you brought a kid into the world at that age, and you were doing what you were doing at that time. Yeah, I mean...

I was souped. I had a kid, but at the same time, I wasn't in the right state of mind in my life to be having a kid yet. So like I was. It's a lot of responsibility. Yeah. It's like, geez, I should be having my own house right now if I have a kid and stuff like that. But, you know, I made it through. I made it work and stuff like that. But at the time, like those times, like we was young. Like I dated my B.M. when I was young and stuff like that. But, um.

yeah it's just I mean at the time yeah I didn't really like think about like damn I should have this kid we didn't plan it you know but it's like it happens it is what it is yeah it happens now tell us about that those six months at that medium what that was like what was going on some you know war stories yeah so like

That six months, I went to seg twice those months before I went to medium security. So I was in intake where they put you first. And I'm sitting in intake, and intake's like the worst place to be. Like you're trying to move so you get some socks. Like if you don't got family that's putting money in your books, if you don't got boys inside of there that's looking out for you,

You don't got no bed. You're going to have to hustle. If you don't know how to hustle, you're just down bad. You ain't got no slippers to go in the showers with. You ain't got no snacks. You ain't got nothing like that. You're hurting. So at that time in my life, I was dating my BM and stuff like that. And I was going through it mentally. Like, Rhode Island jail is like...

It ain't nothing like that. But if you're in a gang and stuff like that, then obviously you're going to run into some problems. But at that time, I was going through it mentally and stuff like that. But yeah, I went to seg for once for jumping in for my boy. And yeah, I was going through. As soon as they locked me up for it, they pepper sprayed me for it.

Because that's the main thing they do in there. If you get in a fight, they're going to pepper spray you even if you stop. You know what I mean? So, boom, I go in the cell. They're putting me in this little mod. And we got a roommate because I wasn't yellow tagged at this time. And yellow tagged is when you're like your gang affiliated. So they won't put you in with certain people. And I walk in the door.

Door slams and I'm looking at this dude out the window. He's just staring out the window and I'm like, yo, I just slammed this door. Homeboy didn't even look back. Finally, he looks at me. I'm like, yo, what you in here for? Because that's what I always ask people at first. I'm like, what you here for? I'm not going to be in here with some weirdo. You know what I mean? Some pedophile, what they call the ones with the sex charges and stuff like that. But so I asked him, yo, what you in here for? He's like,

Just vandalism. I'm like, all right. I was like, what you doing looking out that window? He's like, honestly, I'm going crazy in here. I'm like, no, I feel you. I'm like, so I'm sitting there on the bunk bed. And then I did the 21 days with him. And then like the week I was supposed to get out, some crazy dude comes in. He's over here bugging out in the COs. I guess he just knocked out two COs.

And he goes in the cell. He's like across from me. So like the corner cells, you could literally see right in their room. So I'm over here talking to him. He's some crazy motherfucker. And I'm like, oh, you need some tobacco? Show me a bag of tobacco. Give me like two dubs. Give me some soap. I'm like, bro, I'm not buying no tobacco in here, bro. I don't need a smoke in here. What the fuck? And then he's like,

Trying to get some soap. Like, nah, I'm keeping mine. And then, cause in seg, like, it's so hard to, like, buy stuff at the first week. You can't buy nothing until a week later. So, um, like, I ain't got no papers. They took all my shit. They only gave me, like, my, um, the stuff that I had, but I didn't have much cause I just, like, got in there pretty much. And I'm already in seg doing 21 days and then, um...

So, right, he's like, all right, whatever. So the SEALs come to his door and the SEALs didn't want to like, they open his trap because that's where they give you your food, the little trays they put it through. They open his trap and they're like, they put the milk on the side fucking with him.

And he's like, I want my milk. They're like, you're going to wait. Put your hands out the window and we're going to handcuff you. We'll give you the milk. He's like, no, I want my milk. He slams the thing shut. He's like, I want my milk. And I'm looking and I'm just getting out. You know what I mean? I'm getting out that day. And I'm like, yo, this dude bugging. I'm not even going to get out now. So, right.

Homeboy starts kicking the door. So the CEOs came with the pepper spray and they're like, all right, we're going to ask you one more time. You're going to give us the milk. Oh, they shut the vents off once they pepper spray you. So the fucking pepper spray can stay in your room. Boom. They, um, they pepper sprayed them once, twice. I was like, all right, you're going to put your hands out the trap.

It's like, now, fuck you. He's putting a sheet over his face. All you see is just orange spray on homeboy's face. He's eating it. He's not even coughing. I'm over here. It's going through the vents. I'm over here coughing myself, and homeboy's over there like, nah, I'm not giving you, I'm not pulling my hands out the trap. I'm like, eh, bro. I'm over there screaming. I'm like, yo, shut the fuck up. I'm about to get out, bro. Calm down. You feel me? Like, I'm bugging on homeboy. I'm like...

Bro, I'm getting out of sight, bro. I'm going to population. Like, shut the fuck up. And then the homeboy's like, fuck this. I want my milk. Boom, they pepper sprayed him again. They give him three tries. They pepper sprayed him three times. So his shit's filled up. His sheet's covered in orange. And I'm like, yo, this dude's crazy, right? And then they're like, all right, we're going to last step.

So they came back with a video recorder. They started video recording. I'm like, oh, shit's about to get serious. I'm over here watching. I'm like, damn, I'm about to get out. But honestly, I'm trying to watch this. And this old boy is over here bugging out. So they come in with these riots, the riot shields and mad gear. It was a straight movie. I did not know that shit was real out here in Rhode Island. I'm looking at this, dude. I'm like, damn, five of them's all riot shield up.

They go lined up by this door one by one. And then fucking they're looking at him. They're like, all right, are you going to put your hands out so we can put the handcuffs on you and we'll give you your milk? He said, fuck you. Fuck you. I'm like, oh, my God. So right. Boom. They're like, all right.

Oh, he hears the buzzing. Door opens. They run up in there. He bangs the riot shield. Like, he hit that shit. And out of nowhere, he gets his nose cracked open. He's knocked out. So now they're, like, they're literally dragging him, like, in the air. Like, they got his arms and his legs. And he's face down like that. Everything's just gushing on the floor. And they send him out his way. And he's...

I got out, like, two hours later. I'm like, all right. Like, I was souped. I was out. But I was like, damn, that dude's crazy. Now, were there a lot of gangs inside the prison there? Or is it just, like... Yeah, I mean, mostly everybody be, like, banging something that's over there from Rhode Island. But, like, there was a lot of, like, drug heads. You know what I mean? Getting met the door and at the line, like...

Over there getting suboxones. Like, they'll say... I guess they'll be like, oh, I'm on some dope. I need something to relax me. So you get suboxone and stuff like that. But it was mostly, like, people in there. Like, I was in there where... It was mostly in there for domestics. Like, so many people. Like, the whole mod was filled with domestics. And I'm like, sheesh. And how were those people treated? I mean, they were, like...

Nothing really happened with them, but the people that would be having those crazy charges. So you get papers every month. And the papers from the counselor shows your charges. So if you look like a weirdo, you know what I'm saying? Like you're in there for some crazy shit. People are going to test you. They're going to be like, yo, what you in here for? And if you don't show those papers that month, then you're in here for some crazy shit that you don't want to show.

I had my papers ready just in case anybody tried to ask me, even though no one stepped up to my side because I got the face stats and stuff like that. So people didn't really look at me like some weirdo. But so, right. I had a couple of roommates that was on that time, like for little kids and stuff like that. I never knew. So I'm in here with some white dude and he's.

Everybody's asking him, yo, let me see your papers at the end of the month. Let me see them papers. And I asked him when he first came out, I'm like, yo, what you in here for? He said, I forgot what he said, but he's like, nothing crazy. I'm like, all right. So I'm over there doing the whole bit. And then the month came. I'm like, yo, I'm going to need to see them papers, bro, because I'm not trying to be in no cell or somewhere, though. So that month came. When that month came, he...

flushed it down the toilet, the papers. And I'm like, bro, are you serious? You know everybody trying to see that shit? He's like, yeah, I didn't think you guys were serious about it. So I just threw it in the toilet. I don't need it. I'm like, bro, I bet. I'm like, yo, what the fuck are you really in here for? He said, let me talk to you. We'll go back to our cell. I said, bet, say that. Yo, we go back to our cell. He's like, honestly, I did not know she was underage. Like,

She was at the park. We was having sex. And, like, she was... I was like, yo, hold on. I was like, yo, you fucking serious right now? He's like, yeah, I just didn't know she was on the edge. I'm like, all right, here's the deal. I'm like, I need your snacks every Tuesday. I was like, yo, I won't tell nobody, right? I was like, don't come near me. I'ma sit on this bunk. You are not coming near me, but you need to make an order for me every Tuesday. And I need that order. I'ma tell the whole block, right? And, um...

So he's like, oh, right, right. His dumb ass asked somebody else, told somebody else. Boom. So now everybody knows. People are running up in my cells, banging him, hitting him, taking his snacks. And I'm like, no, hell no, I'm taking that. So I took the snacks. I'm like, no, this is mine. And then so homeboy was like, he's just on the on the bunk with his head like this.

He's like, I should have never said nothing. I said, yo, where though? That's what you should have told me straight the fuck up. First day was in here. Like, what are you talking about? And then I was like, yo, you want to take away that pain? He's like, yeah. I'm like, yo, get that Kool-Aid right there. Yo, it was hilarious, right? I had homeboy with the Kool-Aid line, sniffing it, thinking he's really getting high.

And he's over there, my nose, my nose. And I'm like, yo, keep going. You're going to get high, bro. I'm telling you. He's like, my nose. And I'm like, he's like, this ain't working. I'm like, yeah, you're a fucking dumbass. Obviously, Kool-Aid ain't working to get you high, nigga. So, right, after that, I did like 10 more days with him. I was going to, that's when I was going to Medium. So, boom, I went to Medium. Yeah.

And I went to C Block, I think it was. Yeah, C Block. And then I had like one person in there I really like messed with because I didn't really mess with people like that. I always try to like not get close to anybody in there because I don't know anybody like that except for the people in the streets. But like medium, big, you got the yard. You have to go through the yard. You know what I mean? To even get to your block to go eat chow.

And you don't even got to go eat if you don't want to. Like, they'll be like, oh, child time, child time. And child time is where you go eat your dinner, your breakfast and your lunch. And so if you don't want to go eat, you can sit in the block, make phone calls, take a shower, do whatever you want.

And me, I was over there freaking stressed out about, oh, my girl's out there and not out, you feel me? So I'm making the phone call. I'm not even going to eat, you feel me? And then, yeah, that bit, I was going through it mentally. But then I got out. Once I got out that bit, I came out for like probably like a few months this time. And then what did I get locked up for again? Right after that, I think it was...

What was it that time? I think it was larceny, conspiracy or something like that. And that's when I got locked up back up again. What did you steal? So I was going through this time where I was like, so if my brother's out here in these streets, homeless, doing whatever, and I got my crib with my moms and stuff, my step-pops, whatever.

I'm staying out in the streets with my brother. You feel me? Like if he ain't coming in my crib, sleeping where I'm sleeping, I'm going out there with him. So at this time, that was the situation where my brother was homeless and stuff like that. So I stayed, I sticked with him. And, um, so we're out there running through cars and stuff like that. And I found a cop, a cop's car. And, um, my dumb ass stole the badge and stuff like that. I was trying to find the guns. But, um, so cops pulled us over, uh,

and once they pulled us over they've surrounded us like when i say like usually we'll run like we'll run from all the cops like like i was fast when i was younger and i did box uh i did boxing too so like i had a lot of energy in me except for like smoking weed and stuff like that that's what me up in boxing like i'm mad that i smoked because i would have been probably on the mike tyson wave right now for real so right

Boom, cops surround us. And supposedly we went through like four cop cars. We didn't even know. And we're over there going through the cars just to get a couple bucks to go eat. You feel me? Like, because like usually like we'll go rob stores and stuff like that. Go rob like drug dealers or something like that. But this time we had no licks. Like we'll wake up, go to Jenk's.

Who we robbing? And that's what I regret in my life because now I'm just a straight hustler. Like, I just hustle. But then it's like, damn, man, like, who we getting today? That's where I had most problems with, too. Like, robbing everybody, even on that live five, two minutes away from me. You know what I mean? And so, boom, this time we're just going through the whips because we got a lot of shit when we went through whips, like retards. And, um,

That's when I got locked up again. Actually, I got out that time early on three years suspended and three years probation. So probation, I was on for a long time. Probation was hard, but I hated probation because anything you'll just violate. So I just kept going back and stuff like that. But

Why do you think you wanted to steal? Like, why do you think you didn't want to work a regular job or anything? Honestly, I think just, like...

When I was going through it, yeah. But the thing is, it's mostly because the drill, whatever you call that. The thrill. Yeah, the thrill. The adrenaline, yeah. Yep. So, like, I loved it. Like, I loved doing it. Like, I loved fighting because the boxing made me love fighting even more. Like, when I did boxing, like, that just teach me how to fight even more. And my brothers right now, like, I fought all my brothers. Everyone I chill with, I fought all of them.

Any day. Like back then when we used to chill at Jenks all the time, we always went head up just to learn how to fight. And yeah, it was just fun to me, to be honest. And like, I regret it because like, damn, I got all these charges now. I can't do what I want to actually do in life.

But do you wish you stuck with boxing to keep you on track? Oh, yeah. Give you a hobby. If I stuck to boxing, man, I was a monster at that. I was killing it. If I stuck to that, right, I would have been chilling right now making money off of it. But yeah, I just the streets just got to me like it was just too much fun. I was like Pawtucket. Like it's like we ran Pawtucket like we did whatever we want.

Like, we had this place that we was robbing cars from. I'm picking up a girl. Like, I'm little, I'm like 15 years old picking up a girl in a brand new Nissan Pusher Stop. She's like, what the fuck? And like, I'm chilling. And I remember this one time when I got locked up. It was for, what the hell was it for? Oh, it was for my gun charge. And the cops pulled me over.

I'm off these Zans, these Zan pills, and I'm all fucked up. This is the first time I ever got back for even having a gun. And I'm in an all tinted out whip, all black. They cannot see through that. And boom, the kid that snitched on me, this kid Tyler, he, for that car crash and stuff like that, I was messing with his girl. And like, I'm talking to his girl for like two days.

And when I talked to his girl for like two days, I got locked up two days later. And I'm in the cell. I'm like, damn. I was off the Xan because I had three Xanny bars on me. And the cop pulled this over. I'm like, fuck. I'm not going to jail for drugs and a gun. So I ate the Xanny bars. I wasn't supposed to. I was going to go sell them. And then once the cop came to the door, I'm over there like.

That's why on Google it says I was looking all nervous and stuff like that. Honestly, because I was fucked up, man. So, right? I'm over there like, yeah, we got nothing in here. He's like, all right. We're just going to search you. I'm like, sheesh. All right. I'm calling my lawyer. I was like, you can't search me. Let me call my lawyer. He's like, get out the car. He dragged me out the car. I'm like, yo, I'm not going to lie. I got a gun in my pocket. Boom. So, um.

Yeah, he arrested me. And then I don't remember nothing in court because I just took those bars. So I went to court, went to the ACI, woke up in the ACI heated. I'm like, all I remember is getting pulled over that day. And so, right, I'm in there so mad at myself. I'm like, did it again. And then...

Like two days later, I get a visit. I'm like, yo, who knows I'm locked up? I'm like, it's definitely my mom. She's always keeping track on me. You know what I mean? Like if I don't answer her, she's calling the police station. So I'm like, damn, it's definitely my mom. I'm looking for my mom in the whole visit area. I don't see her. I see this girl, this kid's ex that snitched on me sitting there with mad makeup on. I'm like...

Yo, you really came and visit? She said, I'm getting you out this day. I'm going to bail you out. You could live with me. I'm like, damn, all right. I'm challenged, all right. She bailed on my mom. She was with my mom, my sis, and like,

One of my boys and stuff. And I was getting out. I was in there with my boy. We was in the same mod together. We was chilling. And he just caught bail the same as that time I caught bail. So we're walking out together, souped up. And then, yeah, man, I lived at her house for like two days and then just left there. And then this time my mom was homeless and stuff like that. She was going through it.

So I was just in the streets, just honestly, like just trying to make money, just freaking sleeping outside. Like, yeah, it was rough then, but then I was sleeping in this stolen car and I had a stolen car because I was like, fuck it. Let me get one real quick. Let me sleep up in here in these projects near my house, near my old house, North Bend projects. Like that's where you bring any kind of car that's stolen, whatever. No cops is in there at all.

So I'm sleeping in there for like a month. And then boom, I got pulled up. Just that one time, I'm like, got locked up again. And this is like recent, but not recent. This was like... Because I haven't been locked up for like three years now. Because I've been doing my father time. You know what I mean? I went to the streets to become a full-time father, single father. So...

Like three, like four years ago, this is the last time, three years ago, this is the last time I was locked up. Got locked up for sleeping in that car. And then that was the bit that just, I didn't have like nobody pretty much. I had my brother throwing money at my account, my mom's throwing money. But that was when I was in A block. And when I was in A block,

They were selling like these kids was like selling all these pills and stuff like that in Suboxone. So I had a roommate that was selling the Suboxone. I'm like, all right. And the way he said that he took the Suboxone, he got it prescribed to him. He would go. He had dentures. So he would make his mouth so dried up and he would go get the Suboxone and put it under his denture.

And then lift his tongue up. Oh, I did it. I did it. And then boom, walk away. And then he's like, yo, look, I got the strip. I'm like, then one little strip of Suboxone, like it's $40. Yeah. That shit gets expensive. Yeah. So, right. He did it and sold it. And because he had his boy doing it at the same time that did it, but would give it to him to sell for him to give him a couple of snacks. Yeah.

So I'm over there. I'm like, damn, that's disgusting. But I do your thing, bro. Like, I'll help you sell that bitch. So we're in there like selling some boxing and stuff like little ass strips, like a little piece. One time homeboy, he's like, you want to do some? I was like, I mean, I'll put one under my tongue. I'll try it out. See what it is, I guess. But yeah.

I ain't trying to do that shit. He's like, nah, just do what you want. I'm like, yeah, whatever. So I put a little piece under my tongue. I was fucked up, man. Like, I was puking in the cell. Never again. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Homeboy, right? The way he did it, this motherfucker grabbed a toothpaste, a little toothpaste. He took the cap off. Once he took the cap off, he filled the cap with water.

And the little cat filled it up with water. He put the Suboxone, a little strip in it. And he grabbed a pen, like these little rubber pens that we had. And he started mixing it inside the cat. And he'll sniff it. So when he sniffed it, he's like, bro, this is way better. I'm like, bro, I don't even like this shit. I'm over here puking every single day. I'm good. I don't want that.

He's like, bro, I got you by him. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. So right, the whole block gets raided. I'm over here taking piss in the toilet. I'm like pissing, pissing, pissing. I don't know why I hear the doors slam. That's when either a new inmate just came in or the CO just coming in for something. So I look out the door. I'm like, who's new? I always try to catch the person before they come in so they don't catch me first. And then...

I'm like who's new I look out Maceo's coming I'm like damn we're getting raided I told my boy He started eating this box And he's like I'm not getting caught by this So right They open the doors All you hear is Do do do do do All the doors start opening They're like drug test And bro I was only in there for Like five days Like this is time I just got in I was in there for five days And

I'm like, bro, I'm going to fail for weed anyways. Like, I'm about to fail for bud. I'm about to fail for this boxing that I did. The homeboy just was like, yo, try it, try it. I'm going to be puking on it. And then I'm like, fuck. So, right.

They're like, oh, you got two hours to pee, telling everybody. And, like, I just took a piss. So, like, I'm like, yo, I'm going to fail anyways. And they're not looking for Zabox. And they were looking for these things called Jays, whatever the hell it was. It was some other pills that they were all selling in that mod. So, I was Gucci. I'm like, I'm going to be good. I'm not going to psych. And then...

Once they was like, yeah, you got two hours. Here's one cup. You get one cup of water. Like, all right. Chug that cup. I'm over here hitting myself like this in the stomach. I'm like, yo, piss, piss, piss. I'm not going to say it again. Right. And then that two hours came up. I really couldn't piss, bro. I was heated. So, boom, they brought me to SAG.

And then this is when it was an H block, Helmod. That's what they call it. And so, boom, they processed me in, took my shoes. Because you could go in there with your shoelaces and your regular shoes that you walk up in there with and intake. So you have your own shoes, all that. But when you go to sec, they take it and give you these orange slippers and shoes.

So, boom, I'm getting processed then. And now I'm already gay. I'm gang related at that point. And I got the yellow tag. So they put me in a cell by myself. And boom, I'm in that cell every day. I'm like, they're like 30 days for not peeing. I'm like, what?

I was so heated. I did less for a fight than not pissing. And I'm only in here for five days. I was like, I'm going to fail for weed anyways. They're like, yeah, well, you got to piss. Yo, as soon as I walked up in that cell, I'll tell you not, right? I walked up in there. I took the longest piss a day of my life. I had to pee so bad as soon as they closed that door.

I was so heated at myself. I was over there trying to hit myself, trying to pee. Yo, I literally took the biggest piss. And, um, they're like 30 days. And I was, oh man, I was so mad at myself. So right now we're in there and I'm by myself. So like, it's even like more like, damn, nothing to do. It's just a bunk bed and a toilet. There's no desk, no nothing. I got nothing in there. Books, like nothing.

It's so hard to even get a book. I asked the CO, I'm like, yo, let me get it. Like, if you know a CO and you're cool with him, then yeah, you're going to, you'll get a book right away. You'll get some paper right away. You'll get to write out some letters right away. But nah, if you're not cool, I didn't talk to none of the COs. So I'm sitting there just talking to some homeboy that's been in there for six months inside of SAG.

And he's from New York. And I'm talking to him just to kill time. I'm like, yo, you really been here for six months? Yeah, blah, blah, blah. And then next to him, like he was like next to me. It's called this kid called Kwanzy. Kwanzy, he was a nutcase, like homeboy. He had mental problems. I don't know why he was in jail. Like it's fucked up. But I guess he goes there every day because he's homeless and stuff like that.

So your homeboy was sitting in his cell, putting that shit all over the wall. I'm like looking in his room. I'm like, yo, nah, I'm gonna go sit back down. The cop is over there. One of the CEOs will go to his cell and fuck with him and be like, yo, you won't eat that. Like messing with him when he knows he got some mental problems. You know what I mean? It's like, bro, why are you messing with a kid like that?

He said, you won't eat that, homeboy. We'll eat it and everything. I'm like, yo, that's disgusting. Yeah, this is crazy. And then I had next to me some military guy that lost it. Homeboy, every single morning. I couldn't sleep all night. We got people... Because in seg, people are screaming, kicking their doors. Bro, there's no peace in seg. So... Because the lights are on 24-7 too. So...

You can't even cover the lights. And I'm like, damn. So you got people screaming. And then, yo, I had this military dude that lost it every single morning. Good morning. Banging on my wall, banging on the door, screaming. I'm like, yo, shut the fuck up. Yo, I'm over there like...

On all these people screaming But now I'm screaming I'm like Yo shut up Shut up Homeboy's over there And then you got Kwanzy over here Singing some crazy shit Singing some songs I don't even know What the fuck he's talking about

And freaking they got him butt ass naked with no mattress, with no blankets because he's shitting on all of it. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, bro, he got mental problems, bro. Bring him to a mental hospital. So he's over there freezing cold all night. And I felt bad. So right one day he said, yo, is that Jamie? Jamie?

I said, yeah, bro. I feel like I'm his boy. I'm like, yeah, it's Jamie. I'm just killing time. You know what I mean? And then, so, yeah, I was just killing time with him. And then the food, like, they gave me, I was starving. Because inside, they give you one piece of bread with, like, a little bit of tuna.

And then some days they'll give you mad tuna with no bread. And I'm like, yo, what's going on? So this one day I was starving, bro. Like I'm over there like, yo, I need some snacks. I need something. I'm hungry. I'm like, you're going to get like, can I get homeboys bread? He's like, oh, no, we don't give no other people's food. I'm like, yeah, whatever.

So, right, I'm yelling outside the cell. I'm like, yo, everyone. I'm like, yo, you guys want more food? Yo, let's bug out. Like, the girls do it. Like, when the girls be bugging out, bitching and shit, they get what they want. Yo, let's bug out. And everyone's like, ah, nah, nah, chill. I'm like, no, fuck that. Yo, I stopped kicking the door.

Ma, ma, give us more food Ma, ma, give us more food And, um Yo, everyone started doing it I'm like, oh, yo, let's go So when they started doing it I'm like, yo, when they come for your trays Cause the trays are thick Like, they could be used as a weapon You could knock somebody out with that So the trays I'm like, yo, don't give the SEALs your trays Everyone's like, alright, alright So, um

CO goes to the door. People gave their trays and like seven people. So boom, they sprayed the block up. And then they came around again. Once they sprayed all of us, they came around one more time. They're like, all right, are you guys going to give up your trays? And then fucking...

It took six people that still didn't want to give up their trays. Once they came to my door, I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I gave up my tray, bro. I'm like, I'm not getting pepper sprayed again. Here you go. Even though I'm the one that started this, here you go. So, right, gave up my tray. And them seven people just got fucked up. Like, they pepper sprayed them again. And they ended up giving their trays because they're over there coughing and dying and shit. So, yeah.

So yeah, nobody snitched on me for that because like in seg, you don't see nobody until they let you out for 30 minutes into another cage. Like you got a fence that's outside those metal, like the regular fences inside the mod. So you're in there by yourself inside the cage. And so some people come out.

But the other people that are scared because they've been talking shit to inmates the whole time, screaming out their window, fuck you. They don't want to come out to be noticed by another inmate they were talking mad shit about so they'd be scary and staying in their cell. I come out proudly. I'm like, yeah, I was talking mad shit about you. Like, what's up? And we're over there just looking at each other through a cage. And then, um...

Especially, yo, when they put us in the showers, they're disgusting. Like, that place is, like, infested with mold. Like, black mold everywhere. And I'm like, yo, you have to have slippers. If you don't have nobody in there to give you slippers, bro, I'd rather not even shower because that shit is disgusting. It's horrible. You better find something to put on that floor. And, like, the new people that come in don't know that, like...

They're just going to go in there barefoot and get some fucking foot fungus or something. So, like, in SAG, this was the old mod. So they'll handcuff you frontwards. And I'm over there in handcuffs trying to shower, bro. I'm like, yo, I can't do this shit. Like, can you take them off? Like, oh, no. And I'm like, all right, whatever. So you got no phone calls. Now, I guess they changed the law because someone that I knew,

He went to SAG, but he hung himself. I don't know how he was a big boy. I don't get it. So he hung himself. He died in SAG and stuff like that. I'll repeat on him. But yeah, they changed the laws in SAG in Rhode Island where they could only put you in there for a certain amount of time. They can't keep you in there for longer than whatever it is and stuff like that.

It was just, it was terrible them days. I was in the old sags. Like, I was heated. I'm like, damn. Did you like being in prison? Like, did a part of you like it because you thought it was cool and fit the image you were going for at the time? I mean, I'm not going to lie. Like, I didn't like it. But the thing is, I thought it was like a movie to me. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo.

If you don't make it... If you don't go to jail and you're like, all right, I'm in jail. Now I'm a jailbird. I'm not going to think about the out. Then you'll last it, man. But if you don't think about it like that and you're just thinking about the out, you're going to go crazy. People will be going nuts. And it's like, I couldn't do that, bro. I did that my first bid. Never again. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to just...

I get locked up, then that's what it is. I'm going to just be a locked up baby and not even think about the hour. Like, the phone calls is what fucks you up. The visits fucks you up. Stuff like that. Like, once you get all that every single week, you're like, damn, I need to be out. But once you don't think about it, you're like, you're hustling in there, playing spades, whatever. What changed after this last prison sentence? Yeah, so, like, now...

After being locked up for every single week, every month, whatever it was, like, I just... I had my daughter, my other daughter. So, boom. I'm over here having my daughter. And now I'm like, damn, I gotta change my life. And I was... I'm like, yeah, I gotta change my life. So, right? And then, like, a year later... Yeah, like, a year, two years later, because my son is about to turn three and my daughter is four. So...

They're like right there. So I had another baby. I have my son. Like, yeah, I can't be doing this. You know what I mean? And then, yeah. So when I had my kids, I got a crib and stuff like that, a house. And I was just like, yeah. And then I got off probation after the three years. Like, it's crazy, too, because like I never went to probation when I got out that last bit.

Like, I did not go to the probation meetings. I did not go do nothing. So, right, after three years, it was my birthday. And they called on. They're like, you haven't been here. And I'm like, nobody called. I haven't got mail. Like, what do you want me to do? Like, what the fuck? And then, right...

So they're like, all right, come in. If you call any new charges within three years, then we have to violate you. I didn't catch no new charges. Only like traffic stops and stuff like that because I've been good for three years. And then so they're like, wow, you actually been good, you know? All right. You got no more probation. You're done. Even though you didn't come for no meetings or anything like that. But I was blessed, bro. Like I had my kids now. I'm over there like...

Well, I had my daughter at that time because it was three years later. And then, yeah, I was blessed, man. What do you do for work? Well, I'm a maintenance and stuff like that. But, yeah, I'm trying to work on that. And with this music, I'm trying to, you know, I've just been...

trying to work every single day trying to come up with like make new songs and stuff like that because like i said i've been doing it for so long and i see everybody now i'm seeing people from rhode island actually go on top of the cage and actually because it's hard of what i with a small estate you know what i mean and no everyone's not even noticing us you know but um

Yeah, you just got to work hard every single day to get actually notice, stuff like that. That's why I'm out here right now. How will you make sure that you don't go back to your old ways? So my kids is what's making me not go back to my old ways. I get them times. I'm like, damn, man. Like, I was always, like...

So I call myself Hop Out Bomb for a reason because when I was younger, I always hopped out on all my people I beefed with, all my enemies. They send the address, I'm going right to your door. You know what I mean? So I always hopped out. Boom. Boom. That's when I started calling myself Hop Out. But I never rapped at that time. I only just freestyled and stuff like that. But so yeah, it's just...

I'd be stuck in those ways a lot, but my kids is what keeps me out of that. You know what I mean? And I got some, I got a good supportive grandmother and grandfather that I love them to death and they, they be helping me out. I got my mom. She's the best. You know what I mean? So like, I just be trying to change my ways because now I just think about,

getting money you know what I mean like before I just was old I get money but I'll just smoke a drink the money away you know what I mean and um now it's like damn I'm trying to hustle and actually get a buy a house for my kids and actually do this because like I'm a full-time father I just take care of them go to work make some music and I just you know

Literally just, it's crazy to me because like I was out there in these streets every single day before my kids, every single day. And then I, now I'm just a full-time father and I'm like, damn, this is crazy. Like even my brother said it to me one week. He's like, yo, I never seen you so happy a day of your life. And then like, he's like, yo, I actually see happiness inside of you now.

since you've been having your kids and stuff like that because when we was out in the streets we was out there struggling and stuff but um yeah it's like it's a blessing for real what's some advice you wish you could tell your teenage self now that you're older and wiser don't catch no felonies that's what i i wish i didn't catch no felonies because stuff that i actually want to do like with the maintenance stuff and stuff like that it's like especially with the face tats too like

I know I got the feelings, but with the face tats added to it, it's like it doesn't work out with a lot of places. You can still get like a good job and stuff like that if you want, especially with that construction and all that. But I ain't trying to break my back all my life. Trying to actually, you know, relax sitting like this while I'm getting paid. You know what I mean? And my brother's doing it. He's over there doing coding and all that stuff like that.

Over there, like, with the insurance thing, he's over there. He just got out of college. And I'm like, damn, bro, I wish, like, I wish I started my life like that. It's not too late to start over. Yeah, it's not too late, but it's harder, you know? Definitely harder. Yeah, I'm going to have to, especially with two kids trying to change and go to school. Oh, man, that is not going to work out. Yeah.

It's just going to be too hard right now. Well, brother, I appreciate you coming on the show today, making the drive up and sitting down to share your story. Of course. I appreciate you having me. Absolutely, brother.