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Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending to have it all together and embrace the journey of becoming a little more better every day. I mean, we're trying to. That's Melissa Fumero. Melissa? That's Melissa Fumero. And that's Stephanie Beatrice.

Hi. Hi. If you didn't know, now you know. That's what you're going to get today on this podcast. We're hanging on by a thread. Like many of you probably are. Treading water. Yeah. We're doing great. We both have coffee. My coffee of choice is iced. Melissa is doing what? I'm doing espresso in a little tiny cup with some honey.

Um, so it's like my slightly healthier version of a Cuban coffee. Oh God. It's not five tablespoons of sugar. Is that what you're doing that's more better this week? That's what I'm doing more better in this moment right now. The rest of the week is not really a more better situation. Oh, got it. What have you been doing lately that's more better, Stephanie?

been trying to go to Pilates. You know, I'm trying. That's a big one though. I enjoy Pilates. Yeah. It's, you know, the studio that I go to doesn't have a mirror, which is great because I'm not looking at myself, but I am looking at other people. Sure. So it can be very, I'm trying to go and just have the experience of like being in my body and trying really hard, but I'm like equal parts distracted by everyone's beautiful bodies and also very competitive. So like,

the person next to me on the reformer next to me, I'm like constantly like, I can see them out of the corner of my eyes. So I'm like trying to do better than they are. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I feel like you understand this. I do because that's the pro and con of going to classes. I like going to classes because I feel like I get, because I'm also competitive. And then I feel like I get more motivated than when I'm by myself. Like I push myself harder. Right. But then also you're trying. Yeah. Yeah.

Not to compare. It's like this weird double-edged sword thing that's happening. Mm-hmm. I find by myself, I will work out sometimes. Yeah. But if I'm in a class, if I'm in a class, I'm like, this costs 20-something dollars. I gotta, you know, I'm getting every single, I'm getting, I gotta sweat. You know what I mean? Like, this was expensive. I gotta sweat. I gotta stay till the end. The end. I'm going hard, baby. Yeah.

When I'm by myself, I'm like, eh, that was enough sets. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I know. I know. I do that too. I'm going to skip the last five minutes. Today she was like, do the blue spring if you want to challenge. If you need it to be less light, you could use the red spring. And I was like, it's a blue spring for me. Yeah. I was immediately like, blue spring. Ah!

Or whatever. I might have those backwards, but yeah. So that's what I'm trying to do that's more better. That's a good one. And again, it is distracting. It's distracting to look at everybody's hot bods. It's difficult. That's why I don't belong to a gym. I know. No, I hate working out in a gym. I just had to do it when I was out of town in the hotel gym. And every time there were people in there, I was just like,

It's so embarrassing. Yeah. It's so embarrassing. I can't do it. I don't like it. Why is it so embarrassing? I don't know. I think maybe I'm a little bit prude about people. I'm not sure. So on today's episode, we're going to be talking about owning your sexuality. If you have kids in the car, if you're listening to this with kids or preteens, this is not

child appropriate. It's not preteen appropriate. I'm just saying turn it off now. Yeah. You know, it's adults only for this combo. But only because we're talking about sex stuff and it's not. I'm so rude. I'm so rude.

I don't know what's wrong with me sometimes. I mean, I think I – yeah, I am too. I'm sweating. I'm already sweating and we haven't even started yet. Yeah. And I'm just going to be giggling like a non-adult person.

Oh, God. This is so embarrassing. Why did we choose this? I don't know. Because we're trying to challenge ourselves? You know what? That's the thing. It's like, I remember watching Sex and the City and being like, wow. Because at the time, when I...

Was living in New York and like, you know, in my 20s, like, oh, my God, people are talking about women having sex. They're talking about orgasms and blowjobs and like and and, you know, contraception. It was a revelation. It was. At the time, it was wild because no one had ever talked about it on TV. Not in that way.

And like they all had different sexual partners and like multiple different kinds of sexual partners and like and very rich, fulfilling-ish sex lives. And like, I don't know, I guess I thought I was like, oh, well, I guess as I grow into my 30s, I'll get more and more comfortable with my sexuality. And it did. Like it kind of happened. I mean, it kind of did. I don't know. Did it happen for you? Were you like, yeah, I am like in control of this part of my life.

I definitely remember being very influenced by that show and yeah, watching it and going, oh my God, like nobody is shaming these women. They're, they're not shaming themselves. They don't feel bad. Like, you know, which it was kind of holding a mirror up to like, right. I think all the, the, the pressures or opinions that I,

I didn't even know I had about my sexuality or other people's sexuality or being loud about sexuality, right? Like that was the thing. I mean, it was not perfect, but there were great things. It was just at the time, at that particular time, there was nothing like it. And it was kind of the first show to do that in a way that loudly. And yeah. And then, yeah, I don't know. I mean...

I don't... Sometimes as we were, like, prepping this episode, I was like, what is owning your sexuality? Like, what does that mean? I mean, the super cheesy answer is that it's different for everybody, right? But, like, I think for me... For me, part of it was coming out as bi. That was part of it. But also, it was, like, embracing a little bit of my own... You know, like, I am a little prude. Like, I'm not always comfortable when...

There's like a lot of like sexy talk going on with everybody, you know? Yeah. For me, I want to kind of keep it between me and my partner. Yeah. That being said, I'm really loving this advent in all of the smut books that's happening right now because I love them. I think they're so hilarious. The fairy smut. Oh my God. I love it so much. Have you read any of it? No. What? Do you not know that this is a trend? No.

Oh my God. Okay, so my hairdresser, she was like, oh, I'm reading this series right now. It's called, I think it's called A Court of Thorns and Roses, Akatar. I'm in. I'm already in. It's this fantasy series where the first one is kind of loosely based around, I think it's kind of loosely based on the Beauty and the Beast tale. And it's this young woman who like, it's like her family's starving and she has to go and hunt in the woods and there's

there's wolves in the woods and they may or may not be magical wolves that maybe turn into hot men. What? Like, it goes on from there. I mean, it's very sexy. There's like a lot of like buildup, I would say, like literary foreplay in the books. And to me, so that to me is the really interesting thing about those books, right? Like, I think one of the things that gets forgotten about female sexuality is

specifically is that, and I can't speak for everybody, but I need to like build up to this, this moment of like whatever it's going to be. Yes. It's not like I can just flip it on and off like a switch for me. Other people might be able to do that, but I can't. And so like, I think that's common for a lot of women. I mean, I guess it depends on the person. I think, yeah. I think some people are like in a very horny stage in their life and they don't need that. Yeah.

They don't need that. They're just like, let's go right away. I'm like backstage of the horny stage. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. People on stage, they're like really jamming out. I am backstage in the bowels of the backstage area. I'm like in the holding room with like...

You know what I mean? I'm on the couch in the VIP holding room with a heated blanket on my lap in the green room of the theater next door. A cocktail in my hand. I get that. I get that. That being said, those books are, they are horny and they're fantastic. I love that. Highly recommend. Highly recommend you guys. I'm gonna get me some fairy smut books.

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Melissa, talk to me about

Okay, so I just want to preface this by saying I remember when we were in the beginning of Brooklyn Nine-Nine and we were all doing our – you had a friend that was like doing our star charts or whatever. Oh, yeah. Remember this? We were shooting a Halloween episode and we were waiting around for like eight hours to do one sequence. And my friend Dan, shout out Dan, did all of our birth charts. I don't remember anything about mine. Okay.

But I remember someone who will remain nameless audience. I will not. I will not. But they were like, oh, something about their chart. And they said, oh, that explains why me and my partner were so horny when we first got together. And you were like, oh, yeah, that explains mine, too. And I was like, oh.

I remember that. Because at that point, I knew David, too. And I was like, I don't want to think about my friends having sex. Mom and dad don't have sex. But I thought it was really interesting that, like, you were just, like, totally okay saying that at work. But it was about your husband, you know? Right. I don't know. Was that a part of it? Or did you really feel, like, in your own sexuality before you met?

David. Well, I met David really young. And so I think there was- How old? You guys were young. I was like 22. Wow. I know. And I think that I was a little bit in a phase of, I guess, not discovering my sexuality, but maybe like exploring, I guess, or just- Ah. Yeah.

feeling myself, I guess. I was very, very prude in high school and like half of college. Half of college. And then I will say I did have one experience in college. I did a show in college and it was Andrew Lippa's The Wild Party. Oh, yeah. Amazing, incredible score. I mean, if you've never heard it, get it, listen to it. We did that show and in that show, in the middle of the show, the climax of the show, there's like an orgy that happens. Yeah.

And so this was like third year of college. They're doing this musical. I audition. I get in. And it was all very respectful. It was some people got naked on stage during that scene. And there was – I know. And I played – I did not.

Okay. I got down to bra and undies, which was a big deal for me. And then I played this character, Jackie, who's a dancer and has no tongue, so like can't talk. She's mute, basically. In the Broadway musical, it was a man, but I played the role in this production. Okay.

And so – and Jackie has a solo dance number after the orgy while, like, everyone's passed out around the stage. She has this, like, moment and does this dance solo. So I also, like, couldn't be naked because of that. But I did a dance solo in, like, underwear. And also, like, the choreography, there was, like, simulated sex kind of moves in the choreography and just being around naked bodies and da-da-da. So it was, like, this incredible experience. Yeah.

Half of my best friends were in the show with me. The whole cast, we all got very, very close. It was a great group of people. And something about doing that show just, I think, made me feel for the first time like

Really accepting of my body. I think I was also like coming out of an ugly phase with body and like insecurities. And it was a really empowering moment where I felt, I mean, also like, let's be real, like I was dancing so much at the time, like I was in such good fucking shape. Yeah.

But still had my friend Vernon shade in abs before each show because I was self-conscious about my stomach. And I was like, can you just bronze this bitch up? And he did. Oh my God.

And I think experiencing my friends, the ones who did get naked and like because there was nobody that was like, yeah, I'll get nude. It was like a journey for everyone. You know, everyone was scared to do it. Everybody was – it was nerve wracking. Everyone was really supportive. I don't know. After that, I just was like more confident, like more open, more like –

sexuality is beautiful and like owning your body is beautiful. And I, yeah, it was like such a powerful experience and, and, and it's, and it's like a queer show too. And, and it just was all the things, you know, and it was just like, yeah, this is, this is life. It's not black and white. It's colorful. It's flavorful. It's all the things. Um,

That is such an incredibly healthy – It really was. Healthy experience. That's crazy amazing. And through like a creative expression. Yeah. Yeah. And so – and I met David maybe four years after that experience. Yeah.

And then David came along. And then David came along. No, but I, you know, and I remember when I met David having like, we fell in love like very, very quickly. It was like very whirlwind. And I got, there was a moment where I was, that was scary. Yeah.

And I just, I think I even said something like, I'm only 20, like I'm young and like this feels really serious and I don't know if I want to be serious. Like I want to have fun and be crazy and I don't know, have experiences. And his response was just like, okay, well we can do that together. And I was like, okay.

It's so real, though. It's so real. There's two schools of thought about it, right? There's like one school of thought, which is like, oh, I want to have the same partner forever and ever. And that's the only person I ever want to have sex with. Right? Yeah. And then there's another school of thought that's like, you should have different experiences so you know what you like. But like, right. You know, there is a little bit of a meeting of those

both of those things for you. Like you just said, like we can try all those things together. It's more like, can we grow together? Yeah, exactly. And I think because we've grown together, like for me, it's been an experience of like being in a partnership for so, so long. There's a lot of empowerment in that, you know, and a lot of like growth and like knowing exactly what each other likes and all that. Yeah.

Ew, mom, I'm so sorry. Sorry. No, I'm just kidding. No, I think you're right, though. Like, I think that's so real. That's been unexpected for me, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that, ugh, I started sweating again.

Oh, it's so hard. It's so hard to talk about this stuff. Like, you know what's funny too? Is it, you think it's going to be easy with your friends. And like with some friends, I do think it, it's like, you can sort of joke about it or whatever. But at least for me, it, again, like I can talk about it, but there's parts of it that I only want to talk about with him, you know? And I think that's like totally fine. I mean, I'm not,

I remember when I first started dating Brad, someone close to him was like, but don't you have like multiple partners? And I was like, well, just because I'm bisexual doesn't mean I'm polyamorous. Yeah. Those are two different things. Some people are bi and polyamorous, but they're not the same thing. I would imagine. And I don't know if anybody's listening and they are polyamorous. Tell us, because I'm so curious, like.

You must have to be like super open and communicative with all of your partners about what you like, right? Because or maybe it's like with this partner, I do this and with this partner, I do that. And that's sort of how I keep it, keep them separated. I don't know. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. I personally would be so stressed out by that situation. Yeah.

too much of a people pleaser to handle that. I could never. I could never. I would never. My calendar would just be a fucking mess. Like I could barely keep my dentist appointment straight. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I know. Like I can't keep boning appointments straight. It's not going to happen. Hell no. Are you kidding? I think the other interesting thing when we talk about all these different topics and just the idea of owning your sexuality and like another thing that I've

It's like it's a spectrum too. Do you know what I mean? Like I think that it's not so black and white. And when I had that realization for myself, it was just like, I don't know. Just – I don't know why people get so – well, wait. Let me not say it like that because it was about to sound like so judgy. Oh, what were you going to say? Sorry.

Listen. I was about to be like, why do people get so hung up in like what people like or don't like or like, you know. Everybody gets there though. Like we're all so hung up on what other people like. Yeah. You know, Americans are pretty prude in general. Like, I don't know. I mean, and we're nosy as fuck. We're so nosy. We're like, what are you doing over there? We're so nosy. But then also like clutching pearls. How dare you? Yeah.

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That made me think of when you were talking about the wild party. It made me think of when I was in New York, when I was in my 20s. And I remember the first time that I ever asked a dude out was this guy at a party that I went to. His name was Tim. He was very tall.

And I think we got each other's cell phone numbers. And back when you'd say cell phone, can I have your cell phone number as opposed to your home number? Now it's all one. And I asked him to go to the Museum of Sex. Do you remember the Museum of Sex in New York? Yes. It had like just opened or something. And he was so flabbergasted that I wanted to go there. And I got super cool. Like I was like, oh, she's so cool. Meanwhile, I was like shitting my pants that we were going there. I was very nervous about it. But.

It was also to me, it was like a clear sign that like, hey, man, I'm interested in doing this with you because I'm taking you to this museum. So we're going to like talk about and look about look at sexy stuff. We're going to learn stuff and look at sexy stuff. My two favorite things probably. And then we're going to have sex. And then we're going to have sex.

And when we were there, I remember we were in the... It's a bold move. It was bold. I was, you know, what's funny is like now that I think about it, I am way more prude now than I was in my 20s because in my 20s, I was like, whoa. And now I'm like, whoa, no, don't do that. Why do you think that is? I think when you are a younger woman, you're like...

And sexual and free and like there's a certain amount of like power that can come with that. And and like this element of freedom that you're feeling for maybe the first time. Yeah. And then somewhere in there you can start to feel like, oh, I don't know if I'm in control of that. I feel like I'm in control of elements, but I'm actually not sure that I'm in control.

in control. So like, yeah, there's a sort of give and take and back and forth. And like, there's no, you know, it's hard. Like, I remember with an ex one time, I feel like I've told you the story. But like one time, I had this pair of hot shorts that were now for the kids. Hot shorts are very, very small shorts. They're very teensy.

They're usually made out of some kind of corduroy. Yeah, they're short shorts. Daisy Dukes. They were pink. They were really, really cute. They were made out of stretch corduroy, so they fit me like a glove. Yeah. And I loved them. I would wear them all summer with, like, my little wedges, my little Corky's wedges. And I had a partner who was like, why do you have those shorts? And I was like, because I feel great in them. I feel phenomenal in them. This was in my mid-20s. And...

They were like, why do you need everyone looking at you? And I was like, I don't. I like took it as a personal like challenge of like, I don't need everyone looking at me. But really, it was that person trying to control me.

Yeah. The the response to me in those shorts. Right. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like the response is what whatever you wear, the response is whatever it's going to be. Right. Like it's but I was choosing to wear those shorts because I felt great in them and I knew my legs looked great. Like, yeah. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I was made to feel like there was something wrong with that, which I think is why I express myself.

a lot of my sexuality is expressed through clothing and like, that's why it shifts so much all the time. Like some days I'm in like a really little like tight something, you know, mini whatever. And then other times I'm like very, very, very like dressing for the sort of

What do they call it? The girl eye, you know, which is like big giant jeans and a big oversized shirt and like very cool shoes or something. Yeah. When I think about owning my sexuality, it's also like comfortable in your body. And like, yeah, having those moments, it definitely took... Not until... I don't think I...

It was very like on and off for me in my 20s of like that same thing, you know, wearing something with like cleavage and having usually a dude say some comment about like, oh, why, you know, like what's up with that? Oh, who are you dressing up for? Who are you dressing up for? And it's like I'm dressing up for myself. But when you're younger, you're just like, oh, you know, there's like all the horrible things that boys say to you that, yeah, and like there is something –

Amazing about like you said, wearing those hot shorts, wearing the low cut thing like just for yourself because you feel fucking great and you know you're going to walk into a room and walk in with confidence because what you're wearing and it's not even really what you're wearing. It's just like I feel good in my body today, how I feel today. Yeah.

I'm in my body. I'm not commenting on my body. And those moments, I think, kind of go hand in hand with just, yeah, you know, your sexuality, your, you know, how you are with your partner, just like everything. Yeah. It's all connected. But it's tricky. Tricky is a word we're going to come back to a lot in this podcast. If you want to…

If you're not driving and you wanted to do a drinking game and every time we say tricky, just take a little sip. Just take a little sip. Go right ahead. The thing that I think like I'm excited about for, I guess, the future is that like I can tell that the kids that are younger than us are doing this differently. Agree. You know what I mean? Like I can see that like Gen Z is being...

smarter or, or I don't even know. I'm more better than us. More better. Whoa. I think more open. I think more, you know, uh,

accepting more, uh, my God, I just love how they're all online with like whatever body they're in and just like wearing whatever they want and looking fantastic while they're doing it. And all of them are gay. I mean, not all of them, but like so many of them are queer. It's so nice. Yeah. It's like Gen Z is a very large percentage, uh,

identify as queer, which again, I think goes back to like that idea that like sexuality is a spectrum. And I think that they're kind of the first generation to sort of really understand that and like the least judgy generation about that. They're way less judgy of each other. Which gives me a lot of hope. Yeah, me too. Especially having small kids.

Like, oh, maybe when my kids are grown, this won't be as big of a deal. Yeah. You know, like the hard work. Maybe my kid won't be in her 40s being like, I don't know, I'm prude about this. Yeah. Which is also fine. It's fine. If you want to be a little prude, it's okay. It's totally fine. It's okay to be prude too. It's okay to have a little prudeness. It's fine. It's fine. Before we wrap it up, I have to...

Okay, I'm just going to ask you this point blank question. You don't have to answer it. Do you have a sexual fantasy? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. As I clutch my pearls. I mean, you don't have to tell me. I will say this. The eight most common ones, I have them on a list. Oh, yes. Number eight, making love in a romantic location. I mean, that feels basic. Number seven. Okay. S&M. S&M.

That was a big jump. Big jump, big jump. Number six, sex with acquaintances. Number five, having sex with total strangers. Ew. Number four, enjoying a romp in public. That one for me is actually that I would never, but it sounds awesome.

I would never in public. Never. But no, it sounds great. But it's right. It would maybe be like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I can't believe we're doing this. Yeah. Here we are in Pell's bookstore. Just going at it in the stacks. Number three, sex with other women. Quote, 59% of women fantasize about sex with other women. No shit, Sherlock. We're gorgeous. Unsurprising. Number two, a threesome. And number one, BDSM.

Isn't BDSM the same as S&M? No. BDSM is like, you know what? I don't engage in either one of those, so I'm not an expert. Yeah, we could Google it real fast.

Isis, do you want to Google it and tell us the difference between BDSM and SM and watch your algorithms change? Do you want to just watch your entire Google search shift dramatically the way we have destroyed Isis's algorithms? Oh my God. Hi everyone. Producer Isis here.

So, okay, BDSM stands for bondage, dominance, and sadomasochism. Masochism?

Wait. Okay, so BDSM... Yeah, okay, so the difference is... Go ahead. BDSM is bondage, dominance, and sadomasochism. And S&M is just sadomasochism. So sadomasochism would be like whips, and the bondage and dominance would be like chains. So one is both, and one is just one. Ooh. Okay, BDSM.

is bondage dominance and what? Sado masochism. Get ready for the audio memes of you doing that over some club music. Okay.

Bondage dominates sadomasochism. Listen, if any of you out there are into making music, please send us your sample with Melissa saying sadomasochism over it. We will play it on the pod. We promise. More, more.

Melissa, what did you learn today? She's crying. Melissa, what did you learn today from this discussion? That it's hard to talk about sexuality. But that also we should all accept our sexuality. Oh, that's beautiful. That's so beautiful. What did you learn, Steph?

think I learned that I'm not quite as prude as I think I am. I don't think you're prude at all. I think I get in my head about it and I get kind of nervy about it, but thank you. I don't think I'm prude either. No. Wow. Good for me. I mean, if you're prude, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. But maybe I'm not as prude as I think I am. I don't think you are. Yeah. Do you feel more better? Yeah, I actually do feel a little more better. I feel more better that this conversation's over. Just kidding.

Everybody, check out your local library and, you know, just on the off chance there's a hot librarian, maybe just walk up to them and be like, hey, can you point me in the direction of your smut? Check out that fairy smut. Check out that fairy smut. We'll see you next time. See you next week. Bye.

Do you have something you'd like to be more better at that you want us to talk about in a future episode? Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried one of our tips and tricks? Shoot us your thoughts and ideas at morebetterpod at gmail.com and include a voice note if you want to be featured on the pod. Ooh,

More Better with Stephanie and Melissa is a production from WV Sound and iHeart Media's My Cultura podcast network, hosted by me, Stephanie Beatriz, and Melissa Fumero. More Better is produced by Isis Madrid, Leo Clem, and Sophie Spencer-Zavos. Our executive producers are Wilmer Valderrama and Leo Clem at WV Sound.

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