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for a million dollars a room. Shut up. I'm not kidding. This morning, there was no peep of a marathon happening. I mean, it was a ghost town. I think it'd be such a great thing to work towards, but if I did that, I wouldn't walk ever again. No. My knees would fall off my body. Would you ever convert to Judaism? I just, don't feel like you have to answer that. I just thought of that. No, no, no, I would love to answer it. Welcome back to another episode of MeGirlPod.

Featuring a baby. Tater's in the studio. I tried. I actually went shopping earlier today because I wanted her to wear something cute for you. And do you know, I was a bit shocked at the baby clothes prices. Well, first of all, she could be wearing a literal like...

and I would think she was the cutest thing ever. I'm having to hold her, you guys, because she, I can't set her down today because she just wants mama. She wants human contact. So we're holding her, but she's in this like, she looks a bit unisex. Dad dressed her. Wait, are baby clothes like crazy expensive? No, like typically not, but I went to Kith Baby because I was like, I want to get something there. And I was like, is the $85 just for the top or is this for the set? She was like, it's just for the top. And I was like, well, I can't like,

Did you get anything from Kith? No. I have a hard line where I haven't really bought her anything except I went to Target one time and I bought her a bunch of sets because she was too little for everything so I needed to get the preemie onesie stuff. Newborn stuff. Those were like $10 to $15 for one set. But this Kith stuff, I was like, I can't. Well, it's hard too because I feel like from the age of being born until a year, they grow so fast. Yeah.

They grow out of everything. And unless you're planning on knocking out like 10 kids right away, I don't see a point in getting like nice clothes until they're honestly like

five maybe? Even then though. They just go, they just cry. I know, I thought, I was like, oh my God, I'm going to be that girl that like goes in and like spends a lot of money on an outfit. But I thought a lot of money for a baby outfit was like $70. I was like, okay, I'll buy her something really cute from New York. Like I'm okay with that. And then I was like, just the top is 85. Nope. And I just left. I was like, I can't like,

No, like a pair of dunks are 110. For humans. Or adults. For humans. For adults. I was like, a baby? I was like, we can't do that. How much are dunks for a baby? Or not a baby, but like a toddler. I don't know. They had dunks in there, but I didn't even look at them. They're probably like still 80 bucks. Maybe. Or the same price. I don't know. I was just shocked. Also, before we go any further, Alex is in New York and in the studio. Oh, yeah. We're in. You guys should watch on YouTube. We're together. We're IRL. Yeah.

Tate is with Alex and she's on her chest right now, just sleeping away. Yeah, we're sweating up a storm over here. She's so cute. She likes to be warm. Also, I realized I wore this last episode too, so guys, it's just because Alex and I thought we were going to take pictures, but then daylight savings happened, so it's a little darker than we thought. Dude. I didn't know. It was daylight savings until maybe 8 p.m. last night.

Well, I did know it was daylight savings, but then this morning I was looking up, like, what does daylight savings do? Because I forgot. Yeah. And it just, the sun sets here at 4.49, it said. Yeah.

No, remember how dark it gets in New York? Yes. I remember we would be in the office and every time we would leave, even at 4 o'clock, it would just be pitch black outside. Pitch black. Yeah. It's dark. Wild. Also, look at how this matches you and I so well. That's like the mean girl monster. So I have the Ultra Fantasy Ruby Red Can and it's...

I always think of this as like the gender reveal can because like one side's pink, neither side's blue. But this is literally matching our sweatshirts. I love it. It's so fun. Yeah, are you going to crack it open? I am. Take a sip? This is... People are probably going to be like, don't do it. On camera or by the mic. But honestly, I love that noise. It's like so fresh. Did you know that people...

Like beverage cans, you know how you crack it and you can hear it? Yeah. So people who like create beverage cans, I was talking to this guy that started some beverage can and he's like pop it open and add like a real thick pop. And he's like, you know, you have to spend a lot of money researching the kind of crack you want. Like, you know how some of them crack easier and it doesn't have the noise, the pop. This one has like a medium pop and then some have like a big pop.

Interesting. They determine that based off what they want you to feel when you open it. Oh, I always thought it was like the carbonation quality. I did too. I was like, I never thought it was like the amount of aluminum or whatever on it. But they think about that. Also, gotta love these aluminum cans because, you know, Pete's really getting my ear about the microplasties. Evan Harris is too.

We're so, like, you can't be having any plastic. Everything I drink, do you know how many microplastics are in there? I'm like, I can't with you right now. What battle are we supposed to pick? Like, I'm like, oh, my gosh, you know, do we pick the food dyes? We just do nothing. The other day he was like, since microplastics are man-made, our body doesn't know how to break them down, and we have, like, X, Y, Z amount in us, and I'm like...

I'm still going to drink out of a plastic bottle. Sorry. And I would prefer a plastic straw. Please. Please. I didn't even think about the straws. Oh, it's everywhere. But I will say with...

Drinks, the aluminum. I do love aluminum cans for beverages. Oh, I do totally agree. And I just love those monster cans. I do too. They did a really good job with the branding. And they match our sweatshirts, which wink, wink, nudge, nudge. This is the best. Because yours has the girl on it, which so many people DM us. And they're like, what's that? And I'm like, coming soon. Just a cute little sweatshirt. And then I have, I'm just a girl. Wait. Yeah, I'm just a girl. Yeah.

I like saw your Insta story and I was like, I'm just a girl. And I was like, cool. And then I was like, oh, wait, that's what the sweatshirt says. You're like, wait, that's mine. I was like, wait, what? And then I was like, oh, wait, yeah. I was like, huh? So how has it been being back in New York? I feel like, what, has it been seven months? Well, I guess. You left in April, right? Yeah. So I don't know. No. Did you leave in April? Mm-hmm.

May, June, July, August, September. Yeah, six, seven months. Yeah. Does it feel weird? Are you just like back to norm? I was so back. You know what I mean? Like I remembered where everything was. We were just – and I like got my walking pace back.

snapped like right back into action. I love this city. Right? It's the... I'm happy to leave it. Yep. I don't want to live here anymore. I will report that. But I love... I want to come back a lot. Yes. I love dipping in. Do it like burning yourself to the ground. Right? And then...

Tornado out and leave. You could say it now because you'll be long gone, but where are you guys staying? A brand new hotel. It's one month old. Oh. Yeah. Do you know where the Butterfly Lounge used to be? Yeah. Okay, so that's the location of it. And basically the standard opened up a new hotel. It's called The Manor.

It's in Soho. It's a phenomenal location. Okay. I, like, love it. Like, I'll probably... I've never loved a New York hotel. The rooms are still small. I was going to say, because it's, like, so tiny. Yeah, it's so tiny, but that's where we're staying, and I really like it. Oh, nice. So is that...

Meatpacking? No, no. Well, the standard you're thinking of isn't meatpacking. Okay. They just own this hotel. Okay. Okay, fun fact. So the price of hotels have gone up. Like not, like paying for them, yes, but I'm saying the people that bought this hotel. Okay, so there's 103 rooms. Okay. They bought this hotel for a million dollars a room. Shut up. I'm not kidding. Yeah.

Wait, so when you buy hotels in New York, you purchase per the room? Well, I don't know. The guy we ran into on the street that was explaining it to us, I don't know how he knew. Of course you ran into someone. Yeah, well, Harrison knew him, and then he was like, oh, you're staying there. Did you know that it's the highest purchase of a hotel in New York history, I guess, per

A million dollars per room. But that's because all the hotels, like you can't, no one's building new hotels right now. Why? Just, I guess like no more real estate. And so they just took this one, redid it. And yeah. Wait, so, and where is it located? It's on Thompson and Prince, give or take. So is that? It's dead Soho. Okay. It's the heart of Soho. That's a great location too. It's a really good location. Like we haven't Ubered hardly anywhere. A million dollars a room? Yeah.

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I could not believe I did that. I was like, who is this girl? What has Alex become? I was like, I will never match my child. And I was like, it'd be so cute because we both have this outfit. And I felt cute matching her. I think you actually have said that to me before. You're like, I'll never match with my kid. Oh, I was also like, I'll never go buy my kid clothes. I still didn't do it. But I did go to do it. And we've taken her everywhere. I thought we would get babysitters here. But then I was so glad we didn't. Who do you get? Who do you get?

Well, and then, like, what do they do? Stay in your hotel room? And also, like, I don't know. That just seems creepy. Unless it's, like, someone you know. Yeah, and I agree with that. And I'm just, like, and I don't have the energy to, like, do a lot. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I still go back and I pump every three hours. And so it's, like, it's definitely, like, a different way of doing it. But, yeah, I don't want a babysitter. That's, I think, the one thing that I'll have the hardest time with is trusting my kid with people I don't know. Oh.

Like, I definitely will trust, like, the neighborhood kids who come babysit your parents, your in-laws, this or that. But just, like, you know how some people do, like, care.com? No. I just could never...

No. It scares me. No. I left her with her first babysitter for an hour and I was just like a wreck. Like I couldn't focus. Yeah. I went and saw Alex Wildeson. Oh, yeah. And I was like with her for the one hour and I just kept looking at her and I was like, I can't even like hear you. Like I just have to leave. Yeah. Like I was like, I'm just zoned out because I'm just like, what if she fell down the stairs? Yeah. You know, like what if, what if, what if?

Yeah, that's scary. Okay, so out of the whole time you've been in New York, the two days, three days, two days? Two and a half. What is the best thing that you guys did? Okay, so I fed her this morning at 4 a.m. And then I was done at 5. And then Harrison was wide awake. But for us, it was 6. Oh, and with the daylight savings. Yeah, so it felt like 7 or it felt like 6.

I don't know. And he was like, I mean, like, we just kind of slept like six, seven hours, which like I didn't in a row, right? Because I was getting up. But like, we were both pretty wide awake. And I was like, I would love to go walk the Brooklyn Bridge. Yeah, I saw that. And I went back and took a two hour nap afterwards. But like walking the bridge at sunrise was just like, so I've been dying to do that. So that's like totally the highlight of my trip. And I don't know. I guess actually the marathon started a lot later than I thought it would. I think like the first one.

You know, like some people will run in their... What is it called? Their tear? Their...

Well, I don't know. They're like the time that they start. I forgot what it's called. Oh, yeah. I know what you're talking about there. What is that word? Yeah. That they'll sometimes they'll be like 6 a.m. But we ran it. Pete and I ran into this girl and she's like, oh, yeah, mine isn't until 1030. And I was like, oh, so you're the last one. And she's like, no, we're one of the first. I was like, holy crap. It starts late this year. Oh, that I thought that there would be so much marathon like congestion. Yeah. Yeah.

I think I had some of it getting here now, but this morning there was no peep of a marathon happening. I mean, it was a ghost town. Oh my God. So coming down on the subway today, that was what?

4ish p.m. packed with runners. So it must have just started so much later than usual. That's really cool. Yeah. It's like really cool to do that. I know. I always get like an itch to run, but then I'm like, Jordan, you can't run. But it would be so cool. It'd be so fun. It'd be like emotional. I see all these like videos and I just, I think it'd be such a great thing to work towards, but...

If I did that, I wouldn't walk ever again. No. My knees would fall off my body. It's so, yeah, it's so long. Yeah, no. So that's a no for me. I agree. I'm going to do the turkey trot, the 5K this year. That's it. And I'll walk a lot of that. Wait, Tate, this will be Tate's first Thanksgiving too. Yeah, we turkey trotting around. Oh my God, cute. I know. Do you guys know what you're doing for Thanksgiving yet? No, I don't know yet. I can't decide. I don't know.

You're going to dress her up as a turkey? Yes. That's so cute. Totally. Oh, my God. You guys' Halloween costumes. Harrison did a really good job. You guys would have won a contest. I couldn't see the vision. I was like, what are you talking about? And then he was done, and I was like, whoa. Is he artistic? He's very creative. Okay. He's very artistic and creative and good at photography. He has that side of the brain. Because I was shocked. I was like, what?

I mean, I knew you guys would look cute, but I was like, damn, that actually looks professional. He did a really good job. He like pulled out the cart and I was like, oh, you don't say. I thought yours, he actually, he thought yours. He was like laughing out loud at his phone. He was like, Jordan's outfit is really good. Yeah.

cow shirt with my angel. But it was creative. I know. I hate Halloween, but I do love a good pun. Are those puns? It was a pun. I thought it was a pun, no? Right? Well, it's like the pun version of an outfit. Yeah. Like last year. It's a play on words? Yeah. Like last year, I was a serial killer, so I had like serial things all over me with like blood. This year, I was holy cow. How do you think of them?

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The inspo I saw was nothing cool. Like, not even... Or mine wasn't as cool as the inspo I saw. I just, like, bought a shirt and tape and put on, like, cereal boxes. And then this year, I was trying to think of words that go together. Like, I thought of, like, French kiss, like, wearing, like...

A beret with a kiss on my cheek. Oh, yeah. And then one of my friends, we were just kind of like spitballing. And I think she said like, holy cow. And I was like, holy cow. Holy cow is really good. I was like, perfect. That's what I'll do. It was really good. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. And easy. Like, I feel like you didn't want to deck the halls. Like, you know what I mean? And so I feel like it was right up your alley. So affordable, too. It was like 20 bucks. Really? Because the shirt was, I think, like.

15 in the halo is like 5 bucks oh okay okay okay bought the shirt yeah okay super cheap good yeah that's nice so it's nice I think

I think ours was cheap too. It looked homemade. It was. It was just foil. It was a bunch of foil. And then I forgot, was she in a hot dog outfit? Yeah. That's so freaking cute. She was in a hot dog outfit. I can't get over it. She was a rowdy hot dog. Oh, yeah. But what I was going to say is it's so crazy seeing you as a mom because, I mean, I see you like all the time. But obviously you're on video when I see you. Right. But the last time I saw you in person, you were so pregnant. Yeah.

And now you have a baby. Pregnancy was not for me. I love having her on the outside. It's so much better. But that was what, like two months ago? It's wild. It's... I'll sometimes be like...

Like your brain has to catch up to the fact that like this is your baby. Yeah. You know, like I'll be walking sometimes and I'll be like, wow, that's really cool. Like I have her forever. Like I don't have to give her back. Sometimes I see a picture of you and I'm like, who's that kid? I'm like, oh, wait, no, that's Alex's child. This is my little baby. I know. And I'm like, sometimes I think Harrison and I, I'm like, we get to keep her, which is great news. You know, it's like she's like ours forever. Like we're like a family. You know, I'm like, we're like a family unit. Yeah. Yeah. It's like wild. She gets her own boarding pass. It's really cute.

Really? You had like infant on lap. She flies for free, but she gets like her little pass. Yeah, it's cute. Yeah. How old do they have to be until you have to pay for a seat? Two. Oh, really? Yeah. So she flies like it's great. But she has to stay on your lap? Mm-hmm. Interesting. Isn't it weird that like they have to go in a car seat in a car, but if you were on a plane, they don't have to go in a car seat? Yeah. And what was it? That's weird. And what was the other thing that I thought? This is really wild. What?

I can't remember what it was. Maybe like the subway or like a bus? I was too afraid to take her on the subway this time. Just because I think if she starts crying or something, you're like trapped. Well, and just like the subway is really dirty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. And I felt good about the plane because I felt like during COVID we learned that the plane was super like filtered. Yeah.

yeah remember at first we thought the planes weren't and then we learned that they were i'm not afraid of planes when it comes to germs you know that i know me i was like me no me either and i got the first seat because i was like i don't want people like passing by no one because everyone wants to stop and talk yeah everyone's like how old is the baby but one comment i got in the bathroom um i was like changing your diaper two people were like oh first time and i'm like how do you know

Is it the way I'm changing it? It's like mother. Is it? Was there? Were they women? Yeah. It's like mother's intuition. I swear to God. But you don't think it was like you look like it's your first time? Well, maybe they thought because like you just look so young. Okay. I was like, yes, my first one. How do you know it's not my third one? True. I went back up. I was like, why does everyone know it's my first baby?

It could be because you don't have any other kids with you. And I'm like, I guess. You like look back at the security footage and you're just like totally changing her the wrong way. I'm like being so fragile. And I guess if it's like you're just like whipping through it. Baby diaper still on backwards. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I'm still, I'm just not a good diaper changer. I just like, I just can't get over how she's just so freaking cute. Yeah. She's really cute. She's just been, she's been sleeping a lot here. She's been good. I know. Is she going to sleep probably the rest of the night? No. She'll wake up. She'll wake up and eat this. Okay, good. I can't wait for her to wake up.

Yeah, at dinner, Harrison will probably sit her butt on the table and feed her the bottle. It's really cute. Then she'll go back to bed, hopefully. No. Yeah, I know. Do you have any roses and thorns? I feel like we, I just chatted with you, so I'm like, I don't know. My roses being here. Yeah. Totally. Totally.

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Did you have roses and thorns? My rose is, obviously you guys are here and I get to meet Tate. I'm so excited. But also, so kind of a rose, not so much. More so question for you and also...

a rose connected to it have you guys been to any rest like what's the one restaurant you've been where you're like whoa that was so good while i'm here yeah well i'm going to all the places but i've been okay i went to a new spot i went to a new coffee shop okay

Fellini? Yes. Did you like it? I've gone every day. What did you get there? Black coffee with a pump of vanilla. So they... What? A pump of vanilla? Who is she? I know. I needed a little like sugar in my life. So no milk? No milk. So Fellini, they just opened up their like little restaurant part because they were... I don't know if it's because they were getting so popular or what, but like their food, incredible. It looks incredible. It's...

So good. Their coffee's great. It's so cute. I love that area. The vibe of it. So that's a block from the hotel. Oh, great location. So it's a great location in like that coffee shop.

Yeah. It's incredible. When they opened up their restaurant, I was like, good for you guys. That's cool. Yeah. Like, I usually think there was like a line and I was like, that's so dumb. And then I went and I was like, that's so not dumb. I would so wait in that line. Yeah. Like, it is so good. So the reason why I asked though is because, so I took Pete to Monkey Bar yesterday.

And remember when you and I went, there was that one Sancerre that was incredible. Yes. They had it. And I had it yesterday and Pete had it and we were both like, this is so good. It's like guzzle good. And you know what's so funny? You know how you texted me and you were like, have you ever had a Sauvignon Blanc Sancerre? Yes. Literally on the menu. I didn't even register it. Pete goes, what's a Sauvignon Blanc Sancerre? And I was like,

okay what and that's what it was oh really yeah oh because I saw it on a menu and I was like huh I actually didn't like the one I had but I love that monkey bar white wine yeah that one was really good that food I don't know I don't know if the chef at monkey bar or the owner owns other ones but their food is so good they own one thing one other thing

I don't know what it is, but another place that has really good food. So good. That was my rose. And a really good ambiance. Oh my God. The vibe. Where'd you sit? We sat in the bar area. I love the bar area. Where we sat, yeah. I would rather sit in the bar area than the actual restaurant, but like,

It's so good. Well, I just like the people watching is so good. And Pete and I were like in a booth, the booth that kind of overlooks everyone. Ooh, great spot. It was just so great being able to like tell, I love figuring out people's stories and

Yeah, but they're never right. Have you ever played that game? All the time. And you're like, they're in a fight. Well, so there was four boys who looked like they were probably 21. Like, kind of wearing, like, hoodies and jeans. And Pete and I were both like...

What 21-year-old boy goes to Monkey Bar on a Saturday night? Like, what's your story? Right. Like, you think, like, 21-year-olds are at the bar, like, going out to, like, a cheap restaurant. Like, this place is expensive. It's very nice. It's fine dining. Yeah. What was their story? You don't know. What story did you make up in your head? I thought that maybe they...

were just like visiting and had either on like a guy's trip or had like really rich parents. Okay. Or maybe they were, I actually have no idea. Yeah. That's like, that's interesting. But I was like, I wanted to, I just want to ask so bad. No, like seriously, like what's going on? Yeah. It's never as good as the one in my head though. No, never is. It's better to not talk to them. I love to create the stories and then never talk to them because then what I thought of was better in my head. Yeah. Have you, okay, have you seen the resilient Jenkins family on TikTok? Yeah.

No. It's so funny. Like the algorithms or like the whatever, the things you get fed. Yeah. Because like I am on this resilient Jenkins family feed. Okay. And it is. Okay. So I thought you were going to say yes because I thought everyone had seen it, but they haven't seen it. Okay. So it's this family. It's this couple and they have six kids and they live in a one bedroom apartment and

Oh my God. I know. Just because you said the one bedroom apartment, I saw their apartment tour on TikTok. The six kids sleep in the living room on mattresses on the floor. So they start out with that. And everyone like TikToks, like people are following them. You know, like let's get you the creator fund. Like let's help this family out.

Then the mom goes into the master bedroom, the one bedroom, one day and does a pano. The dad has a PS5, a bunch of stuff going on in the bedroom. And everyone's like, wait, wait, wait. What the hell's going on? Put some of the kids in the bedroom. Why are you having them all sleep out here in the mattress? That's kind of weird. Then something comes out where the dad's like, I won't work a night shift. Like,

Yeah, he's just kind of chill. Then this girl gets on TikTok, who I follow her. She's a nail tech in Seattle. Okay, so no relation to the Jenkins. Yeah, well, she's like, hi, my name is something with an A. She's like, I, the dad, the resilient Jenkins father, she's like, is my baby daddy. She pulls out the court document. She's like, this motherfucker doesn't pay child support. Yeah, she's like, he abandoned his kid.

Yeah, she just like takes them down. So now everyone's making these videos like stop following them. Do not like, do not comment on the resilient Jenkins.

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that maybe like this is an apartment they rented and they put all these things in there and like we're going to pretend that we all sleep here to get money. Kind of like people who dress up as homeless people and panhandle but are actually not homeless to get money. I wonder if people ever do that. Like they actually live in like a mansion down the street but they have like this one bedroom apartment they set up all the rooms in or the beds in.

Well, you could do this whole con on TikTok. Because these days, like when I'm scrolling sometimes, I will see like stay on here for 15 seconds to help pay for my dad's cancer bill. Yeah. I always stay. I like a comment. You know, I play it through. You're better human than me. But I like to think those are all real. You know, like I like to have some faith in humanity there. But there are some scenarios where like this resilient Jenkins thing, you know, and you could poke holes in it. It's like, remember that guy who...

He got famous on TikTok because he lived in the smallest apartment in New York City. No. Oh, my God. I can't remember his name. But now he's like, his dream was being like a famous broad. I think his dream was to be a famous actor on Broadway. And now he's like on Broadway. So we're all like, did he just like con his way in by like renting the smallest room in New York City to get famous? And like making a thing of it? Yeah. Yeah.

That's wild. He got, like, millions of followers overnight. Started making bank on TikTok. Because his apartment was so small? How small was it? Like, so small? Oh, I mean, I think it was... Could a bed fit in it? A twin bed, but it was, like, on a loft, I believe. Wow. And then, like, it was one of those apartments where the bathroom was, like, a shared bathroom in the hallway. Uh-huh. Yeah. And not a real kitchen. How much was his rent, did he say? I can't remember. He has, like, a whole series on it. But, um...

Yeah, that happened maybe like two years ago. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. So it is wild. But people can do that. Like you can kind of just pop up out of nowhere and like do that. There's this one girl on TikTok who makes up stories to get views. And like in her description, it'll even be like satire, aka joke. But people like don't use their brain. So they think all of these stories are real. And they'll like comment all this stuff. And I'm like, you guys...

She's getting views for just like making up fake stories. It's not even real. It's just storytelling. Yeah. I'm glad she at least put satire in the... Same. Did you know that... Did you know, speaking of that, like...

The Sophia LaCourte girl. Yeah. Did you know she went to high school with Alex Earl? Yes, I did see that on TikTok. That was crazy. And that girl that did the video was just like two seniors. Like they were just two seniors. I cannot stand Sophia LaCourte. Like there's not a lot of people I dislike. At first I was like kind of vibing with just like on like a funny level. But now I'm just like...

You're just mean. I don't know. I haven't caught back up with what's been going on with her. It's almost like she keeps falling off and then she'll come back to light for just being mean. The problem with that is, I'm sure it's a little hit of views. Yeah. But then you go out in the real world and you still have to be that. She preys on people's downfalls. Yeah, that's not fun. Like...

Yeah, at first I was like, oh, ha, ha, ha, like, you're kind of funny. And now I'm like, oh, no, you're just, like, you're mean. It's tough, too. Like, she kind of had to lean in to the Hallie Kate stuff. Yeah. And then it was like – and then you had to make, like, your next move. And, like, what would that be? And I guess it was mean. I don't know. I didn't see it. Yeah, it was like she was –

uh like kind of like making fun not making fun of but like kind of hating on Brianna and Zach Bryant like their breakup yeah she was like going in on that going in on Brianna like kind of being like told you so type of thing oh that's mean she's just being mean I'm like you're just like kicking a girl down when she's down that's not cool yeah mean no it would be cooler if like

Yeah, girls went for girls. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, she's like going against them. Yeah, that is too bad. Okay, I didn't say that, but that's too bad. So now I give her the not interested in your content. Do you? You click the not. Okay, good. I do that to so many people because I'm always like, not interested. Stop showing me your content. What is helpful though, I think probably for them to like curate your algorithm. Question for you. Yes. Have you ever been love bombed by a friend? Okay, I saw... Did you make a video about this or did you put it in the notes? I...

Made a video about it and then I put it in the notes. Yeah, I saw one of the two or both. So I didn't notice this, but yes. Like it did not dawn on me until I saw that. And I didn't think too much into it because I knew we were going to talk about it. But 100% have you?

Yes. Like, in a very, very scary way. But now, there's a difference between, like, being in the honeymoon phase with a new friend and being love-bombed by them. Yeah, so the love-bombing I was more so talking about was when it becomes so toxic, like, that friend kind of love-bombs their way into your life. And then if you try to set boundaries, it's like a toxic boyfriend. They start to freak out. Or it could go, like, a different direction, and they could try, like, stealing your life or this or that. So...

It's so amazing how things happen in our life and we kind of like black it out. Yeah. Like it's never happened. You're like, wow, I forgot that happened. Yes. So I was watching this TikTok. It was like a spooky, scary TikTok. And this girl was saying how one of... She's like, sorry to talk about one of my friends trying to steal my life. And I listened to it and I was like, oh my God, that like kind of happened to me. What? So...

And like, I was thinking about all the sticks. I was like, I'm gonna have to tell this story. And so much happened. So there was this girl I went to high school with and we stopped being friends in college because she was just that friend that was kind of like,

she was just like obsessive with everyone but it was just like a kind of a joke like she just loved everyone like whatever okay and she'd always be like oh my god i love you i want to be you blah blah blah and then we went to separate colleges i always wanted to study abroad in australia like everyone knew i wanted to study abroad in australia she decided to study abroad in australia i'm like whatever cool and she went this semester before me i was like that's whatever i was like

I'm going to go the next semester. She decides to stay. And I was like, okay, that's fine. But like, I just want to like do my own thing. I want to experience studying abroad, blah, blah, blah. So she kind of like took that too seriously and would avoid me and like saw me one night and ran away. It was very odd. So like our friendship,

fully fell out. Okay. It was the weirdest thing. Like, I went up to her one time to say hi, and she just, like, ran away from me. Well, they're very... Those people are very all or nothing. Like, if you're not their very best friend, then she does kind of hate you. Yeah. So she, like, truly acted like she didn't know me. So I was like, okay, well, we are not friends anymore. Wow. So I didn't talk to her for a few years. We rekindled, um...

like a year before COVID because like we grew up that was literally in when we were sophomores in college. - Right. - This is like when we're in our twenties.

We're really good friends. And then she started getting super obsessive. Like it got to the point where she wanted to be with me all the time. I remember one time one of my friends, because I was talking about it with her. She was like, remember when you and I had a picture of us as your phone background and she took your phone and switched the picture from us to you and her? Yeah.

And I was like, I forgot about this stuff. That's crazy. Yes. That's crazy. And she started making all this drama in our friend group where I remember one of my good friends was like, Jordan, getting mad at me because this girl started drama. And I was like, I don't know what's going on. And she's like, well, XYZ said that you said this. And I was like, I didn't say that.

So like it just got to the point where it was almost like she was trying to make everyone around me like far out of my life. Because she wanted you to herself. Yeah. And then she started, it would get to the point where like in the middle of the day she would call me and she'd be having like a panic attack or an anxiety attack. And she'd be like, you need to come over now. Like I'm freaking out X, Y, Z or. Because she wanted your attention. Yeah.

I think and I also just think she didn't have boundaries. Yeah. And she I remember one time we were in the car started having a panic attack and I was in the passenger seat and I was like I was like you need to pull over right now. Like my life is at risk. And she'd like be like laying on the floor and like

Oh my god, so like she would be she would make everyone just like stop their whole night to come over and make sure she was okay. It was just like out of control to the point where I was like, I cannot be your friend. Yeah, it was just like wild. So I was thinking about that. And I was like, Oh no, she told like fully love bombed her way into my life. And then when she realized she wasn't getting her way, she got like really scary. And yeah.

It was just, it was scary. But now typically in love bombing, the one that gets scary is it the girl or the guy or both? It's both. It's the guy. If it's a guy, love bombs a girl. Yeah. Usually it's like the person love bombs and then when they don't get their way, they start to get like really crazy. Yeah. So like, or like sometimes it just like happens where both people just like love, like start to love bomb each other and they ride off magically into the sunset. But sometimes what happens is

Like if you were, if I was dating a guy, like let's say like I met Pete, he started love bombing me and everything was great. And then if I had people who were like Jordan, like he's not good, he's toxic, blah, blah, blah. And I started to push away from Pete, Pete would come on stronger and start becoming like scary and toxic and probably try to push my friends away and my family and because they want you all to their self. Yeah, it's scary. And sometimes you don't recognize it. They're possessive. Yes. Yeah. No, I've totally never had a guy do that.

I've had a guy do it. I've had guys do it, but the girl was the craziest. Yeah, I was going to say, the girl stories, now that I've never thought about it, but the girl stories are the crazy ones. But due to that story, I'm like very, I have my guard up with new friends. Like I get a little freaked out if you meet someone and they're just like, oh my God, I love you so much. You're my best friend. I'm like, you're not my best friend. We just met. Well, and I think like,

The older you get, because you do kind of, like, you learn in college about this love bomb situation. And the older you do get, like, any new friend I make these days, I'm, like, so careful to be, like, don't text them. Yes. Like, be so withdrawn. Yes. You know, because it is, you can just come off, like, we could never come off weird, right? But, like, so I've had it happen to where I'm, like, my guard's up the other way. Yeah. Totally agree. And it gets hard, too, because...

A lot of the times if you're loved by a friend or a romantic partner, they get so invested in your life that when you end it, it's traumatic because you're like, you were my everything. Like I don't have friends. Sometimes I don't have friends anymore. I'm not close to my family. I don't have hobbies because you were my everything. So like...

it can get like really traumatic for people. And I think every time love bombing ends, it ends in a complete breakup. Oh, it blows up. Yeah, it's a blow up. It's like a hard line in the sand of like, you have to be okay that this is ending. Yeah, there's no mutual like loving separation. It's like,

Never speaking to you again. Yeah. Like a total. Which I think at that point you're okay with. Yeah. But it would be nice to sense, I think now we can sense the love bombing earlier. Yes. And know what's happening and then just like withdraw and then be like, I'm not even jacking with that. But it's when you let it keep going and then you do get too close and then you wake up one day and you're just like,

I'm in it. I'm totally in it and it's bad. Oh my God. People start associating you two together and then you have to be like, there's the friend breakup. Happened just one time in me to college, but I remember it perfectly. Was it, was it one of those relationships where it was like never speaking again once it ended? Like, I think I would not know, not never speaking again, but very just like casual. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it can get really messy. It's a really good term, though. I think people only think about it when it comes to, like, relationships, like romantic relationships. But friend love bombing, totally a thing. I know. And, like, if people are always like, well, what are the signs? It's like anyone who becomes obsessed with you without knowing your personality. Yeah. Yeah.

And like isn't slow to build it. - Yeah. - Like that's, and they're like obsessive, yeah. - Like to, wait no, last episode we talked about the slow burn and I'm like the slow burn is healthy as long as like after a few months it starts to rev up. - The slow burn is so healthy I think. - You gotta get to know the person, you need boundaries.

Especially the older you get. Yeah. I think. When you're younger, it's like a bit more probably convoluted. But like the older you get, yeah, you do. Because it's also too like if you have someone who's love bombing you, they're not actually liking you for who you are. They're just liking you because they want like a warm body. And then I think you have to ask yourself too, do you even like them or are you just obsessed with like the attention? Yeah.

Exactly. Like, no hate to, well, kind of hate to this girl because she's crazy. But like when she was becoming like obsessed with me, I remember thinking like, this is so great to always have somebody. Yeah. Because I'm never alone. I'm never lonely. I always have someone to hang out with on the weekends. They'll do anything for you. Anything. And I remember thinking that. And then I was like, wait.

do I like her because she fills my cup or do I like her because I just don't have that feeling of loneliness anymore? It was like false loneliness. Yeah. Like you feel like a warm blanket, but in fact you're in the coldest. It's like, it's like icy. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a really uneasy feeling. So uneasy. I haven't had it in a very, very, very long time. But oh man, when you take me back there, I'm just like, oh yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. And they don't like you to have other friends. And so you're like tried and true friends. And then you see it with other friends when that's happening to them. You're just like, here we go. And sometimes they'll try to like push you away from your family. Like I remember I would tell her stuff and she would...

Instead of just kind of keeping an open mind, like let's say I was complaining about my mom, which I wasn't, but like let's say I was, she would be like, oh my God, no, your mom sucks. She's horrible. Like you're in the right, like you should probably like not speak to her for a while. Wants you to cut everyone out of your life. Yeah. Instead of being like a good friend where it's like, well, maybe just like see where your mom's coming from. Call her, have like a good conversation. Right. It was never like the healthy route. It was like cut her out. Didn't want the best for you. Yeah. Wanted the best for her. And she would like talk,

crap on like my closest friends and I was like I'm not going to talk shit about my best friends with you right but she thought that you would like put that like wedge between us and oh my god it was bad yeah it's really scary but isn't it so nice when you're out of it yes you're just like oh and then you're like never again because I knew yeah when you become friends with somebody like too fast it's always like that's not good

Wild, wild time. And now I like think back and I'm like, what happened like between the years? Like that seems like 20 years ago, but it really was only like maybe five, four. Nope. But time is weird. No, but when was it? Pre-COVID. It's like 2019. So that's, yeah, I guess five years ago. Oh my God. That is so wild. The fact that COVID was five years ago. That's wild to me. Yeah.

It was, right? It started March 14th or whatever, 2019, right? Or was it 2020? It started 2020, but the first case was December 2019, so that's why it was called COVID-19, but...

We left work and never came back. March of 2020. Yeah, because it was Friday the 13th, I think. Yeah, 2020 was the crazy. Yeah. Like that's the year that everyone's like, that's the last year. Yeah. Okay, now it's 2024. Okay, wow, that is crazy. Soon to be 2025. Soon to be. The fact that like one day, or not one day, when she's older, she'll just be like, I was born in 2025. It's like, whoa. No, like we're like, what year are you, 93? 24. 24.

And, oh, so I was thinking about it. Like, she'll be 75 at 2100. She'll be alive in 2100? Well, if, I mean, I hope she's alive. Wait. She'll be 70. Oh, my God. She's basically a quarter. You know what I mean? Like, 25. She's basically 25. She's 24. But, like, the year 24, 2000.

Yeah. 2024. Yeah. Harrison said that today. He's like, we could get something for the next like 75 years. He wanted to get like some book or something. And I was like, 75 years? He's like 2100. And I was like, so she'll be alive into, what are they called? Centuries. Centuries. Two centuries like us. Yeah. Yeah. Which is that, I do remember the century thing. Like that was so cool. Yeah. Do you remember it?

Which part? Like when this injury hit. I barely remember it because I was seven. No, I was five. Like four or five. I wonder if you had memories yet. I like barely remember it. So I just learned this though. I'm not surprised, but I did just learn this. So you remember Y2K? Yeah. A pain.

My dad thought it was actually going to happen. Wait, wait, no. What is it? So everyone thought the world was going to end because the computers, when they switched over, they wouldn't know how and they were going to explode. Wait. So people like truly built like bunkers and like stocked up because they genuinely thought the world was going to end. I thought YGK was a video game. No.

No, it was an actual occurrence that people thought was the end of the world. And your dad thought it was going to happen? Your dad, of all people, thought that Y2K was real? Okay, first of all, my dad, of all people, like kind of believable. He's a worrywart.

So did he build a bunker? No. So I can't remember what happened, but I was with my mom and dad and their family friends. And somehow that came up and they were like, Scott, remember you thought that was going to happen? You were trying to stock up on all the food and water. And my mom is the opposite. So she probably was like, this is not happening. We're going to be fine. But I am just so grateful I was too young to remember that. She thought it was going to happen. Wasn't there like a thing...

where some calendar ended that was 2012 the mind calendar yes everyone thought that was going to be like just the day like the world was going to explode no i genuinely thought the world was going to end and i asked my mom i was like mom can i say i'm from school this today i think like there's going to be a ride at school because everyone thinks the world's going to end and my mom's like you're going to school she's like no you're going to school honey like the world is not ending go to school and it didn't end and nothing even happened

So I'm like, what are we supposed to believe? Right? What calendar? I'm like, huh? I genuinely was in fear. It's like, and then didn't we like get rid of daylight savings next year?

Didn't the government rule that it doesn't exist anymore? Are we just picking... What is time? Are we just picking stuff these days? What? I still am thrown off that India is 18 hours and 30 minutes ahead of us. How are you not on our same... Who just picked that? Secondary time. Right. It's just the wildest...

Well, even with, I can't remember, I think it was Yom Kippur. One of the two is like the Jewish New Year. Yeah. And we like celebrated it. But then I'm like, so that's their calendar. Yeah.

the new year was like a couple weeks ago. Yeah. But then, you know, the new year of the whatever calendar is January 1st. Well, and like the Chinese New Year is a different time too. Yeah, like how are these years just starting at random arbitrary times? And why does ours get to pick when it's a new actual number of the year? Yeah, and like what are we, so we're all just on different like year calendars. And then the other thing is this current, like why don't we use the same metric system?

Like I told Harrison today it's 38 degrees outside and he's like is that cold or hot? And I'm like you're still in the other one. Oh my god. Like he operates in Celsius so I always have to convert it. He's Canadian. Yeah. So does he know like grams and... Like kilometers. Like his car was in kilometers. Like pounds they use kilos? Yeah. Yeah. So like at the gym is he ever thrown off like... His sister said something to me. Um...

She was giving me the weight of either Tate or something. But it was a different... And I was like, wait. And I, like, Googled it. I remember when I was in Australia, like, all the weights at the gym were in...

Whatever the K1 is. And I was like, this is so weird. Like, why can't we all just be on the same? It would be a lot easier. Also, why aren't Canadians on our metric system? I feel like we're practically the same. Or us on theirs, right? Or vice versa, you know? I'm like, all North America, we should operate on the same. Also, every single country but us is on the same one, right? Oh, are they? I'm pretty sure that everyone is Celsius and we're Fahrenheit. Right.

They use God, not America. Just being like, no, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, they are. They are all because like Europeans are Celsius. Australia was Celsius. We're the only ones on our what is it called? Metric system. Is that it? We use the metric system and they all use the. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This we don't use. What do we use? They use the metric system. We use. We use the market system. Imperial system.

I believe it's something like that, yeah, because it was like English, I think, to begin with. The metric system is a decimal-based system of measurement for length, weight, volume, temperature, and more. The International System of Units, SI, is the official metric system for most countries. So most of them use that. Yeah, we use... What metric does the U.S. use? We use a hybrid of systems, both the metric and the imperial system. Why don't we just, like...

use the same one as everyone else. That is crazy. It's impossible. Yeah, kilos, that's what it is. Also, who invented? Right? It's like so, yeah, it's a lot. That's wild. Would you ever convert to Judaism? Don't feel like you have to answer that. I just thought of that. No, no, no, I would love to answer it. Okay, so I love Judaism. I didn't know anything about it. I can scoot closer to this now, actually. Okay.

- Oh my God, her eyes. - I know. - They're so blue. - Yeah, I guess at six months they really settle into what color they will be, but yeah. - Wait, what color is his hair, Snav? - Dark, like brown eyes. - And you have blue eyes, okay. - Yeah, but I think that all babies are born with blue eyes.

Could be. Don't quote me on that. I know that they do, like you said, the color changes. Yeah. Wow. Hers are like deep blue though. Yeah, they're really blue. I know. I hope they stay. Okay. So, okay. Judaism. His parents, yes, very. His family, yes. He is the least of them all, but like still very into it. Okay. Not very into it.

I love it for her because she gets to practice, like, Judaism and Christianity, which I think is, like, really cool. Yeah. So I want her to do, like, Christmas. Yeah. Like, you know, like, she can have Hanukkah and she can have Christmas and she can do Easter. She'll love that as a kid. And she can do Yom Kippur. Like, we're going to do them all. And so that's, like, my version of religion is just, like, doing all the, like, okay, so, um...

Shabbat is every Friday night, which is where like you just celebrate the week. Like you just say like, oh, the week has ended. You like gather with friends and you're like thankful. Like I like love that. And is Sabbath every Sunday? It's like Sabbath. Remember in the TV show? Yeah. They like you put your phone away. Maybe that's only. No, I think you could be right. I don't know. I know Shabbat's Friday. I don't know. But the religion is like really, really cool. Sabbath is not. Oh, wait.

The Sabbath is observed on Saturday, the seventh day of the week, in remembrance of the Hebrew Sabbath. Okay, and then... Catholics are Sundays, the Lord's Day. Okay, so Saturday... Oh, but the seventh day of the week, that's funny. So Saturday's their seventh day? Yeah, because you know how sometimes on the calendar they, like, Sunday's actually the first day of the week? Yeah. So that's their... Yeah. Yeah. I like the idea of it, though. I like the idea of her doing both in... Yeah.

But would I ever convert? I don't think so. Because I don't really know that I need to. It's a lot of work to convert, too. Especially to Judaism. But the TV show, what is it? All... What was it called? I never could remember the name. What is the name of it? All... Am I seeing it? All... This Is It? Nobody Wants This. Nobody Wants This. I know. I can never remember either. I was like, what is the name of that? That was actually pretty accurate. I...

Like to like how you feel? Yeah. And to like the religion and yeah, I feel like it was. So you know that they're making a second season, right? Yes. I'm so happy. I'm so excited.

I cannot wait. People ask me all the time, they're like, is that true? And I'm like, yeah, and it's pretty similar, except Harrison's family is like so welcoming of me. Okay. Like so, like so, so, so welcoming. Can you imagine if... Oh my God, because you're blonde. Yeah, I'm the thing, the shitska or whatever. I like felt attacked watching it. I was like, do people think that? And like his mom has been...

so sweet to me and like helps me make the challah bread and like it's the total opposite of that movie but when I saw like the non-Jewish blonde girl I was like you're a blonde for the podcast I'm like that's what I I just felt so I was like oh my god like could you imagine you go to you bring a charcuterie board over to Harrison's and they yell at you because it has what's the meat that they can have it's prosciutto was in the charcuterie board yeah beef and

But then I wonder in her life if she did find the mom eating it. She said that she did. Like everything. Oh, I don't know what they eat. Well, actually, I don't know. I feel like maybe that was a lie because that's kind of. Because I would like totally take the mom down. I mean, that wasn't a good look. But she said like the show was so accurate.

To their life. Wow. And so does the family like her now? I guess we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Really great show. Like, really great show. I mean, it's a little less intense, I feel like, in real life because he's, like, he was a rabbi on the show. In real life, he's just, he works in the entertainment industry. Yeah, he's not really the rabbi. Yeah, yeah, which is...

No, I... No, okay. And I will say this, actually. I would be open to converting. Okay. Just because I appreciate just any type of, like, religion. I, like, understand it. And I... So I'm very open to all that. Yeah. But as of right now, no. That's cool. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. So last week, you said that at the end of the episode...

We need to talk about bench holidays. Yes. I used bench holiday the other day. You did? How did you use it? Because somebody was talking about how they hate Thanksgiving, and I was like, it's just your bench holiday. Who hates Thanksgiving? I think that the least bench holiday... Okay, hold on. Before bench holidays, I saw a lot of people... So we're recording this on Sunday. Halloween was on Thursday. Don't you think Halloween, if it's on a Thursday, the Halloween weekend is the weekend before? Yeah.

You stop celebrating it once it's November. Yes. You never celebrate a holiday after it's happened. That's what I thought. Yeah, that's weird. Unless it's on Friday, I could maybe make a case for Saturday. Maybe. Yeah.

Yeah. And the only people who I will allow that weekend is college kids. Totally agree. But if you're above college and you're self... It's weird to me. Last night, Saturday night, there was a full-blown... Like, I went to jeans. And there was a full table of costumes. That's weird. I was like, we're done. It's November. It is full-blown Thanksgiving. I mean, but now that I think of it, I did still see kids wearing costumes this weekend walking around. Right? Which I'm like...

No, it's over. The time to celebrate was the weekend before. Yeah. And Thursday was like, I think Thursday is like a fabulous day for it to fall. I agree. Because you can totally do something on Thursday. I completely agree. Okay, so binge holidays. I love the concept. So do I. So your binge holiday? Yeah. So first, if you guys don't know what a binge holiday is, Eli Rallo, I believe, coined the term on TikTok and she said binge holiday is everyone has one holiday where they can take the bench. They don't have to do anything. Yeah.

I thought her name was Ellie. No, it's Eli. Eli. Yeah. She's a lot of good hot takes. Yeah, she does. She does have a lot of good hot takes. So I want to say mine is Halloween. I will always like celebrate a little like wearing a t-shirt with a halo. But if I didn't have to celebrate, I'd be so content. Or New Year's Eve.

Frickin hate New Year's Eve. New Year's is mine. Is that yours? It's yeah, I just think it's overrated. I agree. Like the whole going out at night thing. I do like the concept of like a reset. So I do. Yeah. Yeah, we're struggles. I'm like, just let me say my pajamas. Give me a charcuterie board, a bottle of wine. Call it a day. I'm with you. Now, I think that I think it's sad if you've been to holidays or Christmas or Thanksgiving. Not sad. I think it's fine. But those are my like favorites.

And 4th of July. Rank your holidays. You love 4th of July. Thanksgiving. First? First. I love Thanksgiving. My grandma is the most incredible cook in the world. Okay, that's really sweet. It's a great holiday. Christmas, but only for the fact that I feel like it's a holiday that people actually take multiple days off, so everyone just leaves you alone. Well, and the thing about... Okay, we'll keep going, and then I'll make a case. Um...

what other holidays i fourth of july's because it's in the summer i like for the july also a time people take off what easter yeah then are there any other ones besides halloween and new year's eve flag day my birthday i don't know like uh what's the green one oh saint patrick's day that's one i do i used to love saint patrick's day um like in college and stuff that was fun

Those are the main. Yeah. Valentine's Day. Oh. That's a good one. Now that I have Pete, Valentine's Day is fun. Yeah, that's a good... That's a total valid binge holiday. Yeah. If you're single, I'm so down for you to binge that one out. Yeah. But that's the most eaten out day of the year. So that's a full-blown valid holiday. Any holiday that allows me to go out to eat, I'm happy with. Yeah, that's a good... Yeah. Okay, so rank them. Okay, so Thanksgiving, then Christmas, then what? Fourth of July? Yeah, I guess...

But maybe Valentine's Day now. She throws Flag Day in there for real. Definitely Flag Day. Valentine's Day, 4th of July. Easter is kind of like whatever. It's just a reason for me and my family to get together. Yeah, I was going to say, you like go home for it. Yeah. Yeah. And then Halloween and New Year's Eve are way at the bottom. Okay. What are yours? Well, okay. So the only... Oh, I love Halloween. So that's... Okay. So mine are going to go...

The reason I don't like New Year's Eve, I do agree that it's overrated. But what I do love is Halloween, like when it hits October, then we're in holiday season. So like Halloween gets you right into Thanksgiving, which gets you to Christmas. And then after Christmas, it's not that depressing because you still have New Year's. So like I do appreciate the cadence right there. Wait, you said you...

Love Halloween or hate Halloween? I love Halloween. Love it. So if I had to rank them, oh gosh, it's hard. I like Halloween because it like kicks off the holidays. So Pete was like, do you think Alex and like Tate will dress up? And I was like, oh, I was like, this girl is obsessed with dressing up. She will be dressing up. Anyways, I would be totally like, oh my God, going to pumpkin patches. Like, but I don't know if I can put, I kind of think I go Thanksgiving, Christmas, Halloween, 4th of July, Thanksgiving.

Okay. Then New Year's. So New Year's Eve is your bench holiday? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Were you pregnant for Valentine's Day last year? Mm-hmm. Okay, so this will be fun, though, for you and Harrison. Yeah, I was in bed, I remember. Oh, my God. Happy one year. Oh, my God. Thank you. Tomorrow. The 4th of November. Yeah. Yeah.

Isn't that so funny? So you guys came to New York then for your anniversary? Well, not on purpose, but then we realized and we were like, okay, yeah, we'll call it that. Like, sure. So will you give him a gift? I don't know. No, it's tomorrow. I don't have one yet. I got him a card. Okay, that's cute. Yeah, I kind of like perused around today looking for something cute.

And I just, like, if I get him a pair of shoes, like, he has his staples. That's his gift. This, exactly. I wanted to, what I wanted to get him was a matching pullover with her, but I couldn't find, nowhere had, like, two of the same. So no gift. Do you think he'll give you a gift? I don't know. What I think happened is, like, we're both, our hands are full, so I assume neither of us, the vibe I'm getting is neither of us are getting each other a gift. Which, honestly, once a baby's born, like, nobody has, I can't even believe we're, like,

Like, I think it'll be the cards and then, like, we'll be on the airplane. Yeah. I think that's it. Also, life just gets so expensive with the baby. Like, no gifts needed. Yeah. We're good. You're good. Yeah. Because I forgot, the Louis Vuitton that he gave you, you made a video about, was that for a Jewish holiday? It was Thanksgiving, Canadian Thanksgiving. Oh, cute. Yeah. And that was...

I mean, that will just never happen again. Will he ever give me anything like that? I was literally, like, shocked. I think his mom and sister were, like, they did a better job of it being, like, such a sweet moment. I was, like, my jaw was on the floor. Because I just, I never thought, you know, I don't know. It was sweet of him. But it was more so, like, having her. Yeah. I think. And then, like, him being thankful. I love that. Yeah, it was sweet. That was cute. But, yeah, I didn't know Canadians had Thanksgiving. I didn't either. I didn't either.

Well, he said, actually, it was never that big of a deal there until, like, Instagram came. And then everyone started seeing, like, what we did for Thanksgiving. Because Americans are Thanksgiving is a whole to do. Yeah. So then I think Canada was like, let's start doing ours, too. Wait, what day of the year is it? It was, like, a few weeks ago, right? Yeah, it was on a Monday. I think theirs is a date where ours is a Thursday. Okay, yeah, it's the last Thursday of November. Yeah, like, ours is...

A moving date. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It is a moving date. That's so weird. Yeah. I think theirs is a fixed date. Well, I didn't know that Hanukkah is also a... Wait. Is it a moving date or is it a fixed date? I think it's a moving date because isn't it like the first someday of the week of the month? No. Isn't it like the first Wednesday or something? I don't know. I don't know either. I don't want to mess that up. I think it is a moving date, though. It's a moving date. It needs to be a fixed date. Yeah.

It's bizarre to me. Like thanks or Easter is a moving date. Yeah. Like, oh no, this is why I think that Hanukkah should be a fixed date because people will remember it more. Yeah. I never knew my Jewish friends growing up. I never knew when to say happy Hanukkah to them. Because like we would very much say like if I was talking to you for the last time before Christmas, I would say Merry Christmas. Yeah. Tell your family Merry Christmas. Mm-hmm.

But for my Jewish friends, I never knew when to say happy Hanukkah because I never knew when it was. That's so true. Yeah, so Harrison's thing is like they should make it a fixed date and people will know. I agree with that. Then we would know when to say like, yeah. You guys should petition for that. I'm going to. Do you want to do the listener question? Yes. You're going to have to read it. Do you want me to read it? It's a long one. Okay, I'll be good. Oh, no. Okay. Okay, so this one's a juicy one. Am I the asshole for insisting on having a best woman at my wedding? That's the title.

I, 28 male, just proposed to my fiance, 26 female, Sarah. I have one child from a wife that passed away in 2021 from the virus. I honestly thought I'd never find love again, but I did. The problem is that my fiance doesn't want my best friend, Zara, 29 female, to be my best woman at our wedding.

For context, my best friend and I have been friends since we were seven years old. She and her family moved in next door and we have both been bonded over not having the best family situations. We've always had quite the sibling bond and even people who don't know us sometimes mistake us for siblings. I love Zara like a little sister. She was there when my mom passed away and when my wife passed away in 2021.

She used to bring over food for my son and I. She and her then boyfriend and now husband would take him out of the house when I needed time to be alone. She's been there for me for all my worst in my life and I want her to be a part of my new chapter of my life. The problem is that my fiance really isn't her biggest fan. When they first met, Sarah said when she spoke to her, she sounded rude and condescending, which is kind of true because Zara has a much deeper voice than most women do and is on the spectrum. So she sounds monotone at times.

I've explained that to Sarah, but she thinks it's just an excuse. She's also very sarcastic, so pair that with a voice that people don't really like and they think that she's rude. She's actually very kind. She offers to take Sarah out for a girls' night.

when she and the other girlfriends of the friend group go. She's made an effort to bond with her, but according to Sarah, they just don't really click, which is fine because not everyone does. Sarah and I were discussing our wedding plans the other day, and I brought up having Zara as my best woman, and Sarah shot it down. When I asked why, she said she didn't want Zara to stick out among the groomsmen. I assumed maybe she didn't want Zara to wear a dress because she loves her dress and she's the bride, and I said, fine, she can wear a suit. And she said, no,

And I got confused and asked why she didn't want Zara in the wedding. She said she didn't want to give her friends and other people the wrong impression of me. I insisted that I want Zara as the best woman because as much as I consider my fiance my best friend and want to make her happy, Zara is also an important person in my life and I want her by my side.

she got frustrated and isn't speaking to me anymore. And her friends think that that means that there's something going on between Zara and I. Am I the asshole for wanting Zara to be my best woman at my wedding? I personally think he is the asshole. I wouldn't want my husband to have a best woman. And I also don't, I wouldn't want my future husband to have a best girlfriend. Like if he had a best girlfriend,

And was like, Jordan, I'm going to have her be the best man at my wedding. I'll be like, no. So, you know how he said, like, she's like a sister? Mm-hmm. Well, just if she was like a sister, then, okay, so, like, if you had a best guy friend that was like a brother, I would assume Pete would have him as a groomsman. Yeah. But then if Pete and him didn't get along, then he wouldn't have him as a groomsman, and it would just be, like, understood. Yeah. Yeah.

I just, I think it's so weird when the opposite sex, or when your partner has a best friend of the opposite sex. The only time, the only time I find it fine is when they're gay. Yes. That's when I think it's fine. Yeah. And I knew Zara was going to be gay.

but then Zara wasn't. But she's not. And so then I was really confused and I thought it kept getting weirder. Because like when he was like, but she has a husband. I'm like, I don't care. Like, yes, you are the asshole for falling on this sword. The Zara should be your best man, best woman. This is your wedding and you want. Don't you have a guy? Yeah. You want another woman standing by your side that's not your wife. That's not a lesbian. Yeah.

In no... Yes, I think in no world. Also, if Zara was a true friend, I think she would just understand and move on. Well, she's obligated to understand because it's...

It's more, it's not traditional. Yeah, no. So you just like don't even have to say anything. Like your best, also like best friends of the opposite sex start to die off when you find your person, don't you think? Yeah. You know how I feel about opposite sex friends. Yeah, they don't exist. They don't exist. No, I think it's weird. I mean, it's a really long written like petition. Yeah, that's a no for me. Especially here's the thing, like if your fiance thinks it's weird, just walk no further. Yeah.

Yeah. Right? It's the wife's way or no way. Yeah. Happy wife, happy life. Let's not start off on the wrong foot. Like, he's choosing Zara over his wife, essentially, in this situation, or fiance in this situation, and I think that's just...

A recipe for disaster. And it's one thing if like your, your, if your wife, your wife to be doesn't like your best man option. You know, she's like, he's just like a party or he's a bad influence. But I kind of like, okay, you got to get it, get over it. But in this scenario, her having a problem with it, I totally get. I, I completely agree. This isn't a thick skin situation. I thought she was looking at me for a second, but then I was like, no, she's not. She could be. She likes eye contact when she feeds. Yeah. She's like, I just want the bottle. Um,

Okay, yeah, so you are the asshole. Oh, I hate to say it, but like scary. Brutal. At first I thought like, I was like, oh, this is easy. Yeah. No big deal. Zara's gay. It's fine. Zara's one of the guys. She's not. And she's married. So you would think her husband maybe would think it was weird too. I would imagine he does. I wonder if Zara wants to be the best woman. Yeah, that's actually a good question. I wonder if she's like lobbying in the air or if she's silent.

I'm just like, no idea. Yeah. That's interesting. That's a very good question. I wonder if he has a brother. If he has a brother. No, it didn't sound like he did because he said that Zara was there for him when his mom passed away. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. But then it would even be weirder. Not weirder, but... Yeah. I don't know. I'm not for the opposite sex being in the wedding party unless they're gay. Or they're like in the wedding party. Sorry, I mean, I'm not for like...

having a woman stand next to him on his side or a woman having a man stand next to him. I'm for a sibling. Yeah. I can see that. If Zara's your real life sister. That's fine. I'm cool with that and I would imagine your wife wouldn't care. She should be on the wife's side. I agree with you. I agree with you. Totally agree with you. But I can like understand if you wanted to do that. Yeah. But the friend, just the female friend, I'm not.

It's a no for me. Yeah, it's a no for me as well, even with the context. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting.

Okay. Do you have any recs quick to wrap it up? Well, I really love Tell Me Lies. That's still my rec. I'm just like obsessed with it. Thank you. Yeah, I downloaded it for the plane. I appreciate it. Yeah, really. Thank you. It's good. It's dark though. Oh, so dark. So I'm at the part where Lucy. Will it be season one or two? Still season one. On the plane. I watched all 10 minutes of the show. I think I'm on episode eight. I can't remember. It's the episode after they go to the lake house. Oh.

Evans Lake House, I think is his name. So Lucy and what's the main character's name? The guy. Steven? Steven. Lucy and Steven just made out in the crowd while Diana was up on stage singing. And I thought that was real mean of Lucy. Oh, just you wait. Okay. Okay. Wow. Just you wait, Alex. Oh, I'm so jealous.

Yeah, the characters are like still developing. Like I still don't have a total pulse on Steven. Just when I think he's the asshole of the century, do I think like, okay. You know they're dating in real life, right? Wow, no. Don't tell me anymore. I hate knowing real life characters when they're like married to somebody else. No, but no. So that scenario I like. Yeah, they're great. Lucy, who's Grace Van Patten and Steven, I don't know his real name. They're dating in real life. And they started dating before the show. Wow. Yeah.

Wow. Okay, that's crazy. But they didn't get casted because they were dating. They got casted differently from that. The director and everyone didn't know that they were dating until I think after. I think they told them like the first day of filming or something. That they were dating? Yeah. What are other scenarios of people that have started dating? Did Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie start dating because of a movie? That's such a great question. I kind of think they did. I feel like a lot of people who started dating because of a movie or a TV show never last. Never. Never.

Because I feel like it's like fake chemistry. Oh, did you see Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz broke up? Didn't they just get married? Did they? I think they broke up. No. Not that they were really cute. I'm pretty sure they're like engaged. I think. Oh my God. Did they break up? Alleged split? Yeah, I know. I know. I was shocked. Whatever. You don't believe it. I mean, I do. It's just stupid.

And then Giselle's having a baby. Of course she is. With who? The guy, the boyfriend. And is he, was he her yoga teacher? I think so, yeah. Is that the same one? Yeah, she's pregnant. I'm over it. Over what? These breakups. Oh, okay. I'm over it.

Okay, well, we have to go to dinner. Yeah, this little girl's got to do something. She needs a location change. Yeah. Okay, guys. Well, we love you so much, and we'll see you next week. See you next week. Yay.

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