Catching up with the Camdens: Barry Watson (Part 1)
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Mom, what's for dinner? Me!

Or we had, I used to eat corned beef hash out of a can. I'm like, there's nothing in the cupboard. They're like, there's corned beef hash. Do you know that when they gave us corned beef hash on Special Forces, it was in the middle of the Jordanian desert and that is what they gave us. With the little potatoes? We were all like, where's the toilet? What the hell is this? You said that with like an ethnic accent a little bit. With the little potatoes? With the little potatoes? With the little potatoes?

It was a little like you got excited and something came out. I did because I'm like, oh, we've eaten the same thing.

I've eaten dog food. That's a good one. Wait, so do you spend the night here? I do. You sleep here? Yeah. And for one night, we couldn't get the water heater working. Two showers. For two days. My post-plane shower. Are you down with cold showers? No. She is now. Well, the third time, I boiled pots of water on the stove and bathed myself with the pots of water and then in the bathtub.

And then I had a hot shower this morning. This is all good stuff. This is a pot in itself. I didn't mind. This is your house. It's my house now. Right now it is.

- Um, renters rights. - Okay. - No wait, you mean squatter? - Squatter. - Max is squatter. - No, I like this. - Hell yeah. - I like how you guys-- - There's a pod. - Do you mean this, does it go this way? Does the house go this way a little bit? - Well, we were trying to-- - That's the cinder blocks on your chair. - Yeah. - No, they're under here. - Also known as magazines. - Also, and books. You know, we're really professional here. Okay, we ready? - I'm ready. - Oh, you just ruined it.

And here we are again.

You need a fireplace. Bev, how did you find time to scrapbook between all of your extracurriculars? Are we in front of it? Yeah, we're in front of it. Now, this is old, obviously. Is this yours, Beverly? Why are we sitting on pillows around the fire and on the floor? Not right here. Your name is in seventh heaven. No, do you know Brenda made these for all of us? What? I didn't get one. Yes, she did. Why do I have nothing? She made us these. I didn't get one. You probably did. We can confirm this once we go into my mom's basement. I don't need anything. What year was this? Literally the only thing I've ever seen.

I have for this. This is great. I never got one of these. I can't. How do you have one of these? I'm so jealous of all your paraphernalia. Brenda was probably like, I'm not sending this to Barry. He's just gonna, who knows, it's gonna end up at his grandma. That is so sweet. Actually, maybe my mom has this. Brenda's gifts were honestly like so thoughtful, I think. Yes. Well, okay, some of them. Some of them you were like, what? But,

- I don't remember that. - From the vault? - Because they were Americana themed. - I didn't realize that was the 7th Heaven thing. - 2000, 2001? I should have gotten one of those. I think I was on the show then. - You're probably not sure? - Literally all I have is a Teen Choice Award. - I don't have any of this. Yeah, I have my Teen Choice Award. - How many did you get? - I just got one. - Okay. - I got three. - I got two. - Why do you have two?

I got one for actor. - 'Cause he's the most-- - Oh wait, so you do have to. - No, I don't. Was I supposed to? - Ensemble. - Wait, so you have one for the show? - I don't have an ensemble one. - I have an ensemble one. - If it was 2002-- - No, you were there 'cause I remember our pictures.

Hold on, let's Wikipedia this. No, okay, but wait, we need to focus. Well, all I know- I was supposed to have three. Let's focus. Because one year I didn't go. Oh, you won an actor. Oh. And when you don't go, they don't give you the thing. Bastards. Oh, rude. Well, here's- Reception. Oh, what do we do? Beverly Mitchell's Young Artist Awards. I got one of those. Maybe two. Those are in my mom's basement. Two Artist Awards. For sure. What? Is that the teddy bear? Yeah. No, that's the like, it's a gold thing. It's better?

Young Artist Awards? I got one of those. Oh my God. Look at this. So we won. Barry, you won. What? 2002. I did? Yep. David, you won in 2003 for Choice Actor in TV Drama. I did. George won TV Choice Breakout Star in 03. He was Breakout. Easy, Bev. Oh my God. I keep looking. More nominated, nominated, nominated.

I don't see the ensemble one. So how do you have a Teen Choice Award, Bev? It says Seventh Heaven. I have the ensemble one. Oh, no, no, no. 2001. TV Choice Drama Action Adventure, we won. 2002. Yeah, that's that one. And 2003. 2003.

See, so why do I? Yeah. So ensemble for O2, O3, you got an individual. George got an individual. So I only have my individual from O3. I have the show one from O2 and I have my individual one from O3, but I don't have the show one from O3. I'm missing O3. Mine does not look like that. It's a different pattern. So maybe I think it's O3.

- Oh, maybe we didn't all get one every time. Maybe somebody-- - Should we go through the Young Artist Awards? - No, okay, we need to focus. No, let's go, let's focus. - Oh, sorry. Well, this is material. - But we need to do the intro. - Oh, yeah, you're right. Okay, I'll do the intro this time. - Barry does it. - Okay. - Barry doesn't know what to say, which is actually perfect. - Barry's gonna do the intro. - Barry, you do it. - Kick us off, Barry. - Go! - Hey, everybody. Barry Watson here.

And I'm here with Beverly Mitchell, Dan Gallagher, and Mackenzie Rossman. And what is this called? Catching up with the Camdens. This is called, we're here, called Catching Up with the Camdens. And I'm not really sure why I'm here. I thought I was here for craft service today.

but all I brought was some almonds and one of those kettle bars or whatever they're called. Okay, well, we do have some things. 10 out of 10 intro. Thank you. That was actually fantastic. Thank you very much. Oh, I... By the way... I just was talking. Catherine was supposed to be here, but she... She had to go. She had to go. Yeah, she had to go pick up Katie. Yeah, so...

Nothing's changed. And Katie drives. And she lives on her own. But Catherine's got to go pick her up. Actually, you know what? She had to go pick up her dog. I named Katie. No, Katie's a good name. Everything that Catherine has at her house is named Katie. No, it's Katie's dog. That's how she does it. That's how she gets out of things. It's like, I got to get Katie. So what is your fondest memory? Oh.

So wait, let's hear no we'll do it like this right? Okay, Barry tell the story of Getting on to our show and like maybe the earlier however far you want to go but like your version of the story What's the story of upset heaven up for me you for you? Oh gosh Okay, so during that time, I guess it was what it was 95. We did the pilot 96. Oh

Oh no, I turned 21 during the pilot though. Which was? So it had to be 95. It was 96. Because I turned 21 in 95. Yeah, but maybe it didn't air until 96? Anyway, so I was, during that time, I was just really kind of like breaking in, you

to the business, I was doing a lot of recurring guest stars, stuff like that, you know, people were starting to notice me. And so I could tell at that time, like something was about to click, something was going to hit for me. And I was up for a bunch of different things like, you know, because just before seventh heaven came about,

You could see there was a lot of influx of younger generation shows that were being created. I remember I was doing Malibu Shores, a spelling show that was short-lived on NBC. I was playing this long-haired guy who raped people. I was always playing these really nasty, dirty dudes. I got the script for Seventh Heaven,

And I was just like, what the heck is, why did Aaron send me this script? You know, I'm working on this other show for him.

I'm playing this dirt bag and this guy is like a minister's son. He's like, oh, good. But they wrote this line in there about the hair. So they must be wanting something about, I think they want me for this. They wanted your hair for sure. Yeah. Because they had it already written in about the hair. And I was like, at that time, there wasn't a lot of young actors that had long hair. And I remember I kind of stood out in a way because of that. Right. So I go in and I end up

Getting the offer for it and I'll never forget my manager Mary Goldberg was like don't do it really she said don't do it and I said I'm broke. She's like no don't do it. No, she didn't say what I would never make it She was just saying there's other stuff out there. That's coming your way got it beep and she wanted me to be patient right and I was not I

because I was broke. I mean, I wasn't broke. I mean, I was, I think I had money coming in from commercials, like residuals and stuff like that. Cause I didn't like a sunny to like commercial or some shit. And, uh, so I had money coming in, but I, I remember when you do a pilot like that, you you're on hold for a while. Yep. You can't go and do another show really. Right. Without getting permission from, you know, the production company.

And so we did the pilot and it got picked up. And I remember having to borrow like money from my manager at the time because I couldn't pay my bills until I got that first episode paycheck.

And I remember, you know, Mary still like going, I don't know why you wanted to do this. While she's paying your bills. She's like, I told you. And then it was just sort of, I think I was one of the first ones cast, actually, I think, from what I remember. Maybe I'm making this up. If I am, I'm so sorry. That's okay. We've done a lot of that.

Yeah. So I've been butchering stories. So you guys have been making this whole thing up. Yeah. And so now the reason I'm here is fact checking is to find out how it really happened. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cause you just talked to Catherine and,

Catherine doesn't remember a thing. I'm kidding. Not really. No, but I think I was one of the first people cast. And then I remember hearing about you guys. I didn't know who you guys were. Or no, David, I think I remember because of the movie that you did.

Phenomenal. Yeah, phenomenal. And you were like, oh, you're the kid from that. And then I remember going to, I think it was at the spelling offices, the first read-through. Yeah. And we were still waiting to, I think, have Catherine and Stephen's deals finalized. I don't know if you guys remember this. We were all waiting around. Yeah. We were in the room waiting for somebody to come in, right? We were waiting for Stephen and Catherine because their deals weren't signed yet. Right.

No, they came into the read-through. We were all there waiting, and they came in kind of last. No, because they hadn't signed their contracts yet. Until like that day. We weren't going to start the read-through until their stuff was signed. You guys don't... I remember that. By the way, it seems very... That's a deep cut for us. That makes a lot of sense and actually seems like waiting on Catherine to come in. Yes. It's never stopped after that. You know what? She was early.

Really? Yeah. It was like we didn't know what to do with ourselves. Everything's changed now. It's weird. It's flipped for her. It's kind of strange. But she also, she left like on target. Yes. The way. Yes. Yeah. So that was. Oh, I'm done? Bye. Yeah. Goodbye. Yeah. Hugs. Great seeing you guys. Yeah. She did say goodbye. And we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you.

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Well, when you did work with us. Well, most of the time I was talking to C stands or X's on the walls or whatever with Lynn. You know, Barry probably knows our colors better than we do. Do you remember all of our colors? I've blocked that all out. Yeah, I've blocked it all out.

all because let me get to where I'm going. So no, so yeah, I didn't work with you guys a lot. But I thought you guys were all cute. You know what I mean? Like when we did the pilot, I was like, Oh, this is so cute. I'm like part of this like little TV families so weird, you know, and

But I remember after I finished, I was offered stuff and I would not do stuff with minors for a while. Because we scarred you. We ruined you. No, it was just because I was like, I want to work with the people I'm supposed to be working with. And not just listening to Lynn off camera feeding your guys' lines. Or Dawn. Or Dawn. Dawn. Dawn, oh my God. She would get down and pretend. She was worth her weight in gold. She would get down like...

And it'd be, "Did she talk like you?" And it was supposed to be you, and I was like, "Mac doesn't talk like that." But she would get it wrong, and I'd be like, "Yeah." And her live readings were so good. But yeah, it's not the same as having seen the eyes of the fellow actor when you've done their close-up or the master, and then you just don't have them for them. So you're just kind of like, "Okay."

What was their close-up like when they were looking at me? And I just tried to kind of like pretend that the little X on the C stand or the wall was those eyes. Your eyes, your eyes, your eyes. I think you definitely celebrated when I finally turned 18 and was like, I could be there all day with you. Well, I knew that it was going to take some hours. Off of you. Off of me. Yeah. And that was nice. Because, yeah, the first couple seasons, I mean, I was working. I was there for 18 hours every day.

- Every day. - Well, it was a cast of seven, but only three adults. - Yeah, exactly. And Stephen and Catherine were just like, "I'm Stephen." I mean, as nice as he tried to be about this crap, he would come up to me. It was the same spiel every time. He'd be like, "Hey, listen, so I'm... Are you okay if I..." And he'd be like maybe getting ready to do this close up or whatever.

Are you okay if, you know, maybe I just, you know, I'm not there for your off camera. And I'm like, yeah, go ahead. Go do what you guys gotta do. I'll just add another piece of tape. And then Catherine was already gone. Catherine didn't even ask. She's just gone. So then it's just me. And then we're just trying to figure out how to shoot more stuff with me to get the day done.

And so I shoot a bunch of my closeups and stuff like that. It was hard, but it also, I felt like I was really, really, really, um, bonded with the crew. Yeah. You know, you know, I'm the one on Fridays. I, I take all the crew out for drinks and stuff like that down the street. And, uh,

Or I think Larry Humberger, he had a margarita machine on the camera truck. - Oh, I'm Larry. - And then Joe, what's his name? The one producer, he got rid of the camera truck margarita machine. That sucked.

No, but it was cool because it'd be like, hey. There was a bar nearby that I remember once I found. San Francisco Saloon. Yeah, once I was able to go. And I was like, I remember feeling so grown up that I got to be with everybody. Oh, yeah. No, it was cool. And at San Francisco Saloon, I remember they had great chicken fingers. And Carla was always like, oh, the chicken fingers with honey mustard.

And I was like, I know they're so good. Yeah. You had a funny story about when you finally like tried to have. Oh, I remember at one of the late in the game, we were at a WB event. Some, and I don't remember for what or which one, if it was an end of season event or a start of season event or whatever it was. But I remember I was drinking and I was like, Barry, have a drink with me. And you looked at me and you went.

nope. And then you turned around and you ran. You ran away from me. And I was like, Barry! Come on! Were you of age? I don't remember. I don't think you were. I don't think you were. And this is why I always was like, you know, I...

I was, you know, I want to say that I was though, because that's why I asked. I was trying to, I was like, look, you can do, we can do this now. And you were like, no, but the one thing I always had, I always did though, is I always wanted to, because I felt like, and maybe I'm wrong that you guys actually did kind of look up to me as like an older brother. And I did, I always as goofy as I was and whatever. I always, I knew I was somewhat of a role model for you guys.

Maybe, maybe not. Sure. But no, but I was always on time for work. I was never late. I always knew my lines. I always did this. I always tried to show up and be a good example for you guys because...

you know, I don't know why, but it seemed like a good idea because it seems like you guys needed like maybe an older, a real older brother figure, um, to just try to hopefully, you know, set an example. And, you know, I mean, I wasn't perfect, just like I'm not, none of us really had older brothers. No, but it was, it was, I remember being younger and having an older brother and having an older sibling is kind of a cool thing. We were

I think you were a prime example of being professional, but then also being able to have fun. Yeah. And the environment on set and your relationship, watching you interact with the crew and how you would always interact with us. But like, as soon as we were ready to shoot, like,

you were able to like pull it right back in. No, I'd always just turn it off and like, I'd turn off whatever was, I was goofing on it and I'd try to just hit it. Yeah, absolutely. And then I'd go back to being a goofy.

- Totally, exactly. - But I think that was the big lesson that I think that I did take from you though, was that you were always present. You had a presence on set. Everybody loved you. You were always friendly and fun and like laughing and having a good time. Even if no, like, you know, 'cause there's days, especially on a set that's long running, like, you know, you're gonna have good days and bad days and not every day is,

Fun or great, but you were always like positive and a good mood ready to have fun. You got to figure out ways to um

keep enjoying yourself yeah because otherwise you're going to get yourself into like this miserable place of like and to extend that relationship to the crew and not just to us which wasn't was a great but was something i took from you that i always tried to take to other sets and and to always treat the crew like friends who were there having the day with you and needed to laugh and have fun well i you know i always i've always approached my work as like i don't take

myself too serious. I take my work seriously, but I don't take myself too seriously. And that's how I always try to approach my work is sort of that way. You can have fun and still get the work done. And I think that's the perfect way to be on a set. It's a great way for an actor to be. And most actors get that wrong. You take the work seriously, but not yourself. Well, I haven't. There's an example. It's funny because I did this movie in New Zealand and I

Hopefully I'm not giving away who it is. Everyone knows now. No, but I was working in New Zealand and I was working with this actor and I just remember, and I was kind of on that chute sort of the same way that we were. I got really close with all the crew and probably I got closer with the crew than the cast. I truly did. And I just remember him coming up to me going, can I talk to you? I was like, yeah, what's going on? He's like, so you talk to the crew a lot. I was like, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I do. And why? He's like, well, I don't, I don't, I've never worked with anybody who talks to the crew. I was like, well, you obviously haven't worked that much. Because how can you not talk to the crew? They're all here all the time. They're in your face, man. They're like,

- A hundred. - I mean, that's what you're dealing with most of the time. - When you look past the camera, that's who's there. - He's like, "Yeah, that's just not my thing, you know, to do that." And I was like, "Oh, okay, well, sorry, whatever." But what was great is a month later, at the very end of the shoot, who was there at the back of the camera truck having a beer with me and some of the other crew? This actor. Like, so he kind of like... - He came around. - He came around. - What? That's good. - And everybody was like, "Hey, man, yeah, here's some beers," you know, whatever.

Celebrating the end of a long, hard week where everybody, you know, did what they're supposed to be doing. I think it makes you a better actor and a better, maybe, like, there's the...

Being an actor is about what you do for the camera that ends up on the screen, but it's also who you are on set. Yeah. So to that, I have to say a lot of actors don't like watching themselves on screen. And like I was that way initially. But the truth is, like, I still don't like seeing my face, but I want to see the whole production. I want to see how the lighting turned out, how the camera and how everybody else did. So you could just...

get past that because there's so much more to it than just your like stupid performance. Yes. There's the whole thing. Yeah. And that's what I want to be like, oh my God, look at the wardrobe. They did such a great job. And just like,

Yeah. Anyways, that's my point. But yeah, like you get over, you have to suffer through what you don't like to see the things you do like. The people that act out on set, which we've all come across or worked with people that act out in some way, they either aren't prepared for what they're supposed to do that day or they're really not happy with themselves. And so they feel like they need to act out on somebody else or.

or whatever they need to do. I mean, most of the times when I see these people that act out on sets, because I was like, okay, they just show up and they're not prepared. And it's everybody else's fault.

Yeah. You know, it's everybody. And everybody has a bad day where I'm like, I just can't remember this week. I'm like, why can't I get this line out today? You have to just laugh at yourself though and not take it seriously. You'll get through it. Just relax, get through it. Well, and I think it's about being able to have grace in those moments and know that even the people who are the most prepared and are always like have their stuff together, like sometimes we fail. Sometimes we have like

Like you said, five bad days. And that personal bar is... And I think also being on a set in which we all were able to pick up the slack for each other when needed was also magical because, you know, just down the way there were other sets that were not as welcoming and didn't have, like, the relationship. And I remember people would always come being like, we wish we could come work with you guys because you guys look like you're having fun. The personal bar, too, like, is your own ego. Yeah.

Well, when you're hired for something and you show up, you know, look, the director sets the tone or the showrunner sets the tone or the lead actor sets the tone. It's like you got to show up for jobs, right?

and be an asset for that production. Yep. You know what I mean? You know, that's what you are. And, you know, we're sorry that we weren't more with you with those first few seasons. Maybe that's why I tried so hard. No, but you guys were always whisked away. And by the way, there was no, I never had like problems with you guys. I was always happy because I really was like,

And you guys probably don't remember this. I was like, get out of here. Go be a kid. No, you always used to say that. I would always say, get out of here. You always used to say that. Get out of here. Go be a kid. I remember I was actually excited when I turned 18 because I felt like, I'm like, Barry, I'll play other parts. Like, I'll be, who do I play? I'll be your John, Barry. Like, who do I play?

Because I just remember also feeling like being able to be excited that I could participate more. And that I could show up and be a team player more. I could be here for 18 hours. Like Barry. I was like excited. I'm like, Barry, it's 17 hours. You can go home. I'll take one. That's why I don't know if you guys remember this, but one of the episodes that I directed was,

There was one day that I don't know if you guys remember this, but I got us done in like six hours. Six hours. I think I remember that day. And it was basically, I was thinking about it. It was because I always felt like this show can always shoot so much quicker. Yeah. And the reason why at the beginning we didn't because Joe Wallenstein? Joe Feigenbaum? No, no, no. Joe Wallenstein? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he always wanted second meal.

Always wanted second. He would keep things going all day. The second meal was always steak.

I'll never forget this. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Let's keep going. And I went. We never made it to second meal. I never got here. No, I was in for second meal like every day. I remember second meal was always soup. No, it was steak. It was always steak. And Joe was producer. He was just like, and I look, I go, Joe, we don't need second meal. What do you do? Let Juan and Jose go. What are you doing? We can get this done. He's like, it's steak tonight. I'm like, dude. I'm

How about the Christmas meals? Oh, those were always good. Those were always the big elaborate Christmas. What is it? Lobster and steak? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Dwellings always. Steak. Not everyone got, you know, that every day, really. Yeah.

There was Beef Wellington. Yeah, it was Beef Wellington and lobster. And Aaron would make an appearance. I think I would leave and go to Shabu Shabu down the street. I'd be like, hey, enjoy the holiday meal, guys. I'm going to go have some sake and eat some Shabu Shabu. Oh, my God. And we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you.

Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session. 24 hours. BPM 110, 120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not. What was that? You didn't figure it out? I think I need to hear you say it. That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. This machine is approved and everything? You're allowed to be doing this? We passed the review board a year ago. We're not hurting people.

There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm. Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous, sometimes chaotic life and marriage. I don't think he knew how big it would be, how big the life I was given and live is.

I think he was like, oh, yeah, things come and go. But with me, it never came and went. Is she Donna Martin or a down-and-out divorcee? Is she living in Beverly Hills or a trailer park? In a town where the lines are blurred, Tori is finally going to clear the air in the podcast Misspelling. When a woman has nothing to lose, she has everything to gain. I just filed for divorce. Whoa. I said the words. Yeah.

that I've said like in my head for like 16 years. Wild. Listen to Misspelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Do you remember that little, I just, I don't know why I thought of this just now, that little piece of concrete that was like through the gateway to get to the Camden backyard that had all of our handprints on it that they made us do? Like, where is that? Right at the beginning? I don't know. Someone must have saved it. There's a train track right through there. Yeah. By the train track. No, there is. There's a train track right there. Do you remember that little thing?

It was like, right when you step through the garden gate to get to the backyard. - Yeah, I remember. - I didn't put my hand prints there. - I think there were only three hand prints. - Mine was there. - I don't. - I think mine was there. - Like us. - I refuse. I was like, I'm going home. How'd the kids do it? - You were one of the kids. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I put Happy's paw there. - I think Happy's paw is there. - I think it was there. Yeah, Happy's paw was on that. - I don't remember that though. - I do. - I do. - I just remember that awful backyard. It looked so fake.

- It doesn't work. - That was so fake. - Well, we were saying that like in the beginning-- - I remember David Plen was just like, "The backyard." He's like, "How do I make it look real?" - The basketball hoop. - Yeah, he's like, "I'm a GP. "How do I work with this crap?" - You guys come from the house that's I guess over there. - You guys don't remember, there's always talks with set deck.

the construction and David plan about that backyard. And it never got green. No, it never changed. But I remember we were saying how like our show was so we were so efficient in the way that TV shows. Yeah.

- Yeah, towards the end, especially. - In the beginning, we had a few locations that we would go to once in a while. And then as soon as we figured out-- - It was all locations the first year. - Yeah, but then as soon as they figured out which locations we were gonna use all the time, they just built them on the set. And we had the pool hall, we had the-- - When they start building the sets,

That means you're going to come back for another season. Because that costs money to keep on building more sets. It ends up being like, that means they know that the set's going to be here for this next season. Yeah, they're going to get their ROI on the set. Yeah, I said, when you stop going on location and they start building sets, that's when you're going to, you know that the show is doing well.

Yeah, because they don't want to start throwing money into like building all that stuff. Yeah, storing it, you know, over, you know. Were you a part of the musical episodes? We're still like, I feel like I have a mental block. Were you there when we did the musical stuff? I think that I... Did you have a song?

I don't think I did because I didn't want to do that. Neither did I. But I had to like panic and like refuse because I was in one of those episodes and I was like, no, I'm not seeing. I don't think I was because, you know, remember, I left after season six and then I came back and directed. I wrote an episode, directed a couple, and then I came back, I think, for season six.

Something. Yeah, something later than six. Like 10 episodes in season nine or something where they just had me do a phone call. It was basically all what I went through the first couple seasons. Yeah, were made up for. They were made up for. I came in like once a week for like an hour and did like a phone call. And I was like, this is amazing. Because you were a waitress.

school. Yeah, I was away at medical school and they really wanted me to come back. I said, look, I'll come back but what am I supposed to be doing? I'm in New York. My character's in New York. And so I remember Brenna was like, she's like, look, you just come in once a week, you do a phone call. And I was like, yes, sign me up. I'm back. Matt's back. At least we made up

for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was probably the best gig I had going on was that one year. Because you're the only one that actually had this experience. How was it

actually writing an episode of Seventh Heaven. Well, honestly, let's be honest about this. Because the episode I wanted to write had nothing to do with what the story arc was for what the season was. And so I just remember kind of coming up with this idea because I really wanted to put Steven in like a pickle costume. You

Yeah, I just kind of wanted to with Steven a little bit for some reason. I don't even know why. And so I was like, I'm going to start writing. Steven was like a pickle and it had to do with like the kids and he lost some, I can't even remember what it was. And so I started giving this to Brenna and Brenna's like, yeah,

This is not what we're doing. Oh She's like you have to stick with with the whole story. I said it's hard to do Brenda I said cuz I kind of just want to fuck with everybody I just kind of just do something that was just so outside of what the seventh heaven norm was because when I was working on it, I was always trying to come up with my own ideas just to make it interesting for myself and

to play Matt, you know? Yeah. Because sometimes I'm like, "Oh, I got Matt since you're freaking poor. What do I do to make Matt more interesting for me?" Yeah. And so I think that's when I had that writing, which basically Brenda wrote the good chunk of that. I mean, I think I did some of the dialogue and stuff like that. She did a pass on it for you. I'm good with dialogue. When I write, I'm good with dialogue.

I'm really, really good. Really good. And modest. Every night I go to bed, I'm just like, man, I'm good. If ad-libbing, I just throw it out there. Oh my God, I remember that.

I do remember some zingers sometimes, like when we'd be in a scene, like sometimes you'd like throw something in it. It would always make me break. Like it would be like... Well, that was always what I was trying to do. I was just trying to make everybody... At the end, I was trying to just make everybody break. Like I would sit there and make Steven break all the time. Which was...

All the time. They loved ad-libbing on our show. Yeah. Well, and Steve and I had that fake sort of alter ego show called Bucky and the Rev. Oh, let's get into this. Oh, that's it. Oh, my gosh. We haven't talked about this at all, but go ahead and give a like. I don't want to talk about it too much because I actually think it might get made one day. Okay. Well, a little bit of context for Bucky and the Rev. Because I just found my Bucky and the Rev shirt. So that was like, I was just, I

I think there was one of those days I was just like bored and just trying to come up with like ways to entertain myself. And so I just started telling everybody to start calling me Bucky. You know? And I was like, from now on, you guys all call me Bucky. And then I was like, and then I started messing around with Steven one day. I was like, oh man, wouldn't it be great if it was like,

It's like, we had the spinoff of the show. It was like Bucky and the Rev. And he's like, that's genius. And I was like, it's great. And so he wrote a song about it. I probably have it on my phone somewhere. He wrote a song, like a theme song for Bucky and the Rev. - I don't think I knew this. - Oh, you don't? - I never knew that. - No. - That's excellent. - I don't know how I can find it. I probably have it on my device somewhere.

I don't know. I'll have to find it. I'll send it to you guys. But from what I remember, was it Bucky and the Rev that was like your alter egos? He was the Rev by day. Yeah. And then by night, you guys were like hard-boiled detectives? Yes. When the cops can't get it done? When the cops can't get it done, they call Bucky and the Rev. Bucky and the Rev. Yeah. Right. And so this was like a thing. But what was your day?

if you're detected by night, what was your day? I was Bucky. He was Matt. I was Matt. But at night, I'm Bucky. Yeah. At night, he was like a superhero. Yeah, he couldn't call me like son or anything or Matt. He had to call me Bucky.

Right. We got this. We got it done. I imagine you guys like slid across the hoods of cars a lot and stuff like that. You know, like it was like that kind of like. We tried. We tried. And then you slowly onboarded the rest of us into the sketch because then we all kind of eventually had. You never brought me back. I was never.

of it. No, no, you were, you know, Catherine was named like Blaze, something like her, I don't even know, something stupid like that. Right. But the funny thing, we made those t-shirts. Yes, I had one. So the t-shirts, here's the funniest thing. I still have one. So we made all those t-shirts for the whole crew, Bucky and the Rev with our faces. I can't remember who shot it and who did the art for it. I think it was one of the, Stork maybe? Somebody. Possibly, yeah. But I'll never forget. Years later, I'm driving, I still lived in Topanga Canyon at the time.

And I'm driving up to Pangaea, going home from work, from something else. I think another show I was working on. And there's this guy, like sort of homeless guy sitting outside the Furnwood Market. And he's wearing a Bucky in the Rev shirt.

And I was like, holy shit. I'm like, hi. What? Where'd you get this shirt? Like, oh, weird. And he's just like, staring at me like, this is fucking off. And I was just like, oh my God. And I went in and I was like, this guy's wearing a Bucky and the Rev shirt. So then I called Ronnie High because Ronnie High lived in Topanga County as well. Ronnie? He's like, hey, Barry. What's up? I was like, did you give your Bucky and the Rev shirt to some homeless guy at the Furnwood Market? He's like, no. No, I didn't.

No. I was like, oh, really? Really? It just happened this guy has a Bucky in the Rev shirt. Yeah.

Well, I'm proud to say I still have mine. You do? I do. I will take a picture. Oh, my God. I wish I still had it. I wish I had some. I'd make my kids wear them. Yeah. Maybe we should like print them. I wish I would need a reprint. Because my kids wouldn't be able to tell it's me on the thing. They'd be like, oh, there's a cool t-shirt. Dad, thanks, man. Oh, it's Bucky and the Reb. I'm like, don't worry about it. And then they'd be forced to wear my face around it. They wouldn't even know it. Okay, well, we might just have to bring that back.

that back. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. To bring that back. Okay, we don't have to go through this. I thought it was more just I thought since we were visiting grandma's house, we should look at the photo album because when you visit family you look at photo albums, right? I am not grandma. There's no more.

You've reached the end. Well, I'm looking forward to finishing this, Bev. It's been years. Why aren't there more in here? I mean, because I just found all the other pictures. There's plenty. And we will share these all on social media. Whoa. What's this? Can I show this? Oh, yeah.

150th episode. Yeah, you were on that one. Yeah, there's my face. Yeah. That's me. Yeah. What is it? Because we realized that... Yeah, and then Jessie's right there and she's smiling like that because she just farted. She laid one out. Hopefully she didn't turd her pants on that one. This is a great picture. I don't remember this one.

Oh. But by the way, cleavage? Right. Jesus. Boobie McGee. What's going on? See? How can you not speak all your lines into that? That's what you were faced with every day. This is a really racy photograph. I mean, you've got this lace thing on, but... And that's

- That was not even where her shirt starts. - I know, what's going on? - That was from the WB, that was like a WB shoot. That was like part of the dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-a-dub-

I mean, this is crazy. What? Oh, we're closing this. Okay. I'll never be allowed on this podcast again. I don't know. I think you might be our favorite guest so far. Well, on that note, do you have to go? Do you have? No. No? Do you guys want me to do more? No. If you can. Yeah? Yeah, if you don't mind. Yeah, man. Join us next time for part two of our interview with Barry Watson on Catching Up with the Camdens.

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