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I need my Uber driver with that like calming meditation whistle that she blew for me the other day. I didn't do that.

No, you're right. You did it. This lady was cool. She talked about frequencies and communicating with animals and kind of voodoo. Okay. Who wants to do the intro? Bev. Okay. Again? I don't care. I mean, I can do it. So this is so-and-so and you're watching Catching Up with the Camdens? Start with this is Catching Up with the Camdens. Then so-and-so.

I'm so-and-so. Bye-bye. Okay. All right. This is Catching Up with the Camdance, and I'm Mackenzie Mosby.

Okay, let's do that again. I was waiting for it. You tried to rush through it. This is back to like literally. I remember. Do you remember there was episodes where you used to say things as fast as you possibly could? What? When you would do your lines? Like she would be like.

I'd be done. Well, I was telling you that it could cause blindness, injury, organ damage, and death. It was like the disclaimer. It was the fine print. Oh, okay. Okay, let's try again. Ready? This is Catching Up with the Camdens, and I'm Mackenzie Rossman. I'm Beverly Mitchell. And I'm David Gallagher. And we are excited to, this episode, talk about how it all began. Like, how we got into the business. Yep.

The origin story. So who wants to go first? David. David. Me? You want me to go first? Yeah. All right. Geez. Well...

It all started when I began. So I'm from New York. And when I was 18 months old, my mom started taking me out to calls. This the way she puts it is that like she did it because she thought I was cute and she wanted to see her kid on TV. And so the first thing she ever took me to was a

like a print uh call in new york and i booked it and so that was like the kind of dopamine rush that she needed to be like well this is what we're doing now so uh and then um it just kind of it kind of went from there and i did my first commercial when i was like four and i did uh

And then when I was five is when this whole time, I'm the oldest of five kids. So my family was kind of growing this whole time. And then when my dad started working with me on auditions, I started getting more into theatrical stuff. And I did my first film when I was eight.

And that was the first time I'd ever been on a plane and ever like we had to go to Canada, like left the country. I did Look Who's Talking Now with John Travolta and Kirstie Alley. And such a cute movie. That's yeah. Yeah. Fun movie. And, you know, then that was a crazy experience. Learned how to swim.

on when we were out in Canada that time, like that was me and my dad. That was like our first adventure together. You know what I mean? So that was fun. And then, um, uh, after that I had did phenomenon and then after phenomenon, I did theater. So I got, which is another kind of crazy story, but I was not a theater kid. I could not sing. I couldn't dance, but I

for some reason I got into a audition for... There you are. Great. Yep, there it is. And I remember when it came out in '94 and like going with my family to the movie theater and like taking pictures in front of like the poster outside our local movie theater and stuff like that, you know?

And it was, you know, I was always just excited to like, to make my family proud and see how excited it made everybody, you know, like every, it was such a big deal to our family. And, um,

Anyway, when I was 10, I had gotten in on this Broadway audition, and I did Christmas Carol, the first year that that production was in New York. On Broadway? Yeah. It was off Broadway. Was it the theater that was attached to Madison Square Garden? I forget the name of exactly how that goes in theaters. My only theater experience was

And, uh,

And I was basically just the wild card on that set. Like all the other kids were theater kids that were trained in dancing and in theater acting is a whole nother ball game. It's a completely different thing. And I was just like the kind of like oddball, like loud New York kid that they hired. And I played young Scrooge and I was in a couple of numbers and stuff. And then right after that season, so that was over the winter season. It was the show.

My family decided because I had a lot of momentum at that in that moment in my career because I had the movie coming out and I just came off the stage show and my family was like we're going to California this year and we just kind of like picked up and jumped on a plane with most of our thing whatever we could bring and went to California and when I came out for that pilot season and

I was up for three things. So I had gotten into the first one. I remember specifically was the Pauly Shore show. Okay. So the, I was testing for the Pauly Shore show. The second one was a film. And honestly, I can't remember if it was one of the

Tim Allen movies that I had tested for. I've tested twice with Tim Allen back then in the 90s. The first time was for the Santa Claus and the second time was for a movie called Jungle to Jungle. And I tested for both of those films. I don't remember which one was this year. It might have been the Santa Claus. And then the third one was Seventh Heaven.

And so I, I, we, we came out here, you know, on a kind of on a whim. And then I, I tested for all these things, but then one after another, I had lost them. Right. And so I, I lost a Pauly Shore show. I'd lost a film. And then the last thing I tested for was seventh heaven. And my, my,

my story about the test was that we talked about this a bit at nineties con was that, you know, we were all there for the, the mix and matches and the, and the, and the, uh, you know, the executive read, uh,

And my parents always did this thing. So when I worked with like John Travolta, like I was, you know, I was eight years old and I didn't know who John Travolta was. And so they'd always kind of go like, all right, so you're working with this guy and he's in, he's from these movies and he had this and they kind of break down for me for eight year old me. Like what, you know, the, the,

the person that I was about to meet whoever I was, you know, there to impress same thing with Tim Allen and, you know, everybody that I was, you know, you did your homework kind of Yeah, they would do their homework and then kind of break it down for me and go like go. And so the thing we did for seventh heaven, it was Aaron spelling. And they were they explained to me that who Aaron spelling was, and he'd produced all these TV shows and, and stuff. And I walked into the to the executive read. And I was just like, Well, before we start, I was like, which one of you is Aaron spelling?

And everyone just kind of, like the room kind of was quiet for a second. And then, you know, this little old man in the back kind of like raised his hand and smiled and

And I was like, oh, I hear you're a very big deal around here. I just wanted to shake your hand. And I marched over to the executive group and shook his hand. And then I went back and did my scene. And the scene for the pilot was all the audition stuff for me was the wanting happy. It was all about how I wanted a dog.

And I had a lot of experience in this because Look Who's Talking Now was also about me and my dog. So this was kind of like my lane at the time. Familiar territory. Yeah, I was kind of known for this. You know, the kid with his dog was my thing. But yeah, that's the thing that had pushed me over the edge and got me into the show with you guys was that, you know, that I had...

ingratiated myself to Mr. Spelling and kind of like, you know, made a fool of myself, but I'm sure in a silly, cute way. Not at all. I think that's actually what, like, I mean, I'd hire you. I think it shows, one, the gusto and also just like, I just remember, I do remember us all kind of just standing in line

like just being stared at to like for everyone to like look at us yeah to see us and I think I actually remember like you kind of like looking down and like just like sizing everybody up like he was all like I just remember like this little face just kind of like and I remember being just get back in line like I felt like it was almost like a lineup um it did feel a bit like that for sure yeah um

I was just fearless as a kid. You know, like I had that, we were from New York, we're very loud family. Like I was kind of big and boisterous and wasn't afraid of adults. And I wasn't afraid to make a fool of myself or kind of like put myself out there. And I think that that energy is kind of what carried me through my career when I was young and got me to all the, you know, through all the doors that I ended up taking my way through. Well, I just also remember immediately being taken by your maturity level.

Because I also from, you know, started not as young as you did. I started when I was four. I was throwing a temper tantrum at the mall because I was hungry and I was with my aunt and she just did not understand that you need to feed a child. So I threw myself down on the floor of the Sherman Oaks Galleria and got discovered by Corey Feldman's mom, who was my manager. Really? And that's who like discovered me and brought me into the business and, you

I booked my first commercial within just a few months. And then I booked my first big national commercial, which was Oscar Mayer. At that time, I don't know if you guys had this experience, but they used to book a lot of kids to do the same commercial because they didn't know if a kid was going to show up and actually be able to pull it off. So they would literally have five days of people...

the same commercial and they had five different kids and you had – but you also did multiple commercials. You didn't just do one. And then you never knew if your commercial was going to hit or not. And so mine was the Oscar Mayer commercial, which actually did do pretty well. And it actually – from there kind of it just kept snowballing and I kept working and doing like a lot of guest stars and all of that stuff. And I always felt like I was very mature and always like prepared and ready. You still are. I'm –

I know. I'm sorry. And I just, but I do remember at the WB ranch, which is so sadly not there anymore. What is it now? They're building new studios. I just drove by it the other day and it's so, it's heartbreaking because it's just leveled. It's gone. The ranch is gone. And so many of our WB memories were all there. Like that's where we tested. And I remember like,

For Seventh Heaven, when I first auditioned, they did not, I didn't get a call back. And I was like, no, this is my role. Like, I need to be Lucy. And I, it was the very first time in my life that I fought to get back into a room and to be seen again. And I fought to get back in there and made it all the way to network. And I just remember, like, being so excited and

And Jessie and I hit it off right away. I think I literally like made her sign her picture, her headshot. And I was like, we're going to do this. Like, this is going to be us. Like, I can feel it. And I remember you and I remember your maturity level. And I also was like, oh my

he's been in really big movies. Like he's like a movie star. And I was like, I was so impressed by you and Mac, you were just this like little pipsqueak that was just like completely, we never knew what was going to happen, which I loved. Um, which still rings true actually. And I also just remember Barry being too cool for school. Like I just remember him just being like,

I'm Barry. I don't remember Barry at the mix and match. I remember meeting Barry when we met Stephen and Catherine at the table read. I think he was there. Maybe he left early, but I definitely remember Barry. No, and also I'm sure I was just in my own world. But that was also during

the times that do you also remember like it was always the same kids that you would go up against so like we always go to network with like the same type of kids like so it was always like and for me it was both coasts because I because there were kids that I always was up against things in New York right before and there were kids in LA that there were a few like blonde haired light-eyed kids in New York that were that I would compete with all the time but out in LA it

there were lots. So like, it was strange for me because in New York, I was more of a, of the, the alternative look, you know what I mean? Compared to most of the kids that were being cast in a lot of stuff. It's funny that you say about commercials, about how they'd hire multiple kids to see which ones would play out. Cause one of the things that I was really great at

back then when I was young is that I would get hired for the commercial as like, you know, like second string or whatever. And then on the day, you know, someone would choke and they'd be like, you, you're up. And I'd be like, all right, you know, I got it. This commercial's mine now. It's funny, I too did a hot dog commercial before 7th Heaven. Did you really? Yeah. Hormel's hot dogs. They're like fat-free hot dogs. What are some of the commercials that you guys did? I filmed it at the same house that we shot the pilot at.

That's crazy. The big yellow house in Pasadena. No. In Altadena. Oh, so that's the pilot house. But the other. Yes. It was Altadena. It was that house. The big one. Yeah. And then I did a Tufts Healthcare commercial before that. And it was kind of funny. So like they told all the little girls to bring their baby doll with them for this commercial. I don't know where this is going, but it's making me laugh. I brought my doll.

Her name, my doll, I named her Shana Jackson. And I never realized this.

But my doll was black, actually, my baby doll. And when I went to the commercial, they swapped my doll out for a different doll for some strange reason. Because I guess she didn't look like me or something. And I was just like so upset that I couldn't actually do the scene with my own real doll. That you couldn't do the scene with your doll who you loved. That was the point. Yeah. She was just the only non-creepy looking one at the doll store.

when I went to go pick her up. - It's a sign of the times though. That's definitely like something that they would have done back then. - Yeah. - In the 1995. - They would never do now. - That what they would not do now or it would be kind of the other way around. - Poor Shayna. So Shayna was great and our seamstress on "Seventh Heaven" used to stitch Shayna's head back on and her sides. She had a lot of repair from Lua.

Yeah, Lambert. It's a well-loved doll. It was well-loved. The best doll. Wait, but so what other commercials did you guys do? I think I just did those two. And then I did a Nike commercial while we were shooting the show. I do remember testing. And it's funny. I did something similar. They say, although I don't know if I actually remember this, but I've been told this numerous times, that I walked up to every person in the room and shook their hand. And I was like really little. And they were like, oh, that's so cute. Let's hire her.

And we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session, 24 hours. BPM 110, 120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not.

What was that? You didn't figure it out? I think I need to hear you say it. That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. This machine is approved and everything? You're allowed to be doing this? We passed the review board a year ago. We're not hurting people. There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm. Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling, as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous, sometimes chaotic life and marriage. I don't think he knew how big it would be, how big the life I was given and live is.

I think he was like, oh, yeah, things come and go. But with me, it never came and went. Is she Donna Martin or a down-and-out divorcee? Is she living in Beverly Hills or a trailer park? In a town where the lines are blurred, Tori is finally going to clear the air in the podcast Misspelling. When a woman has nothing to lose, she has everything to gain. I just filed for divorce. Whoa, I said the words. Yeah.

That I've said like in my head for like 16 years. Wild. Listen to Miss Spelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Angie Martinez. Check out my podcast where I talk to some of the biggest athletes, musicians, actors in the world. We go beyond the headlines and the soundbites to have real conversations about real life, death, love, and everything in between.

This life right here, just finding myself, just this relaxation, this not feeling stressed, this not feeling pressed. This is what I'm most proud of. I'm proud of Mary because I've been through hell and some horrible things. That feeling that I had of inadequacy is gone. You're going to die being you. So you got to constantly work on who you are to make sure that the stars align correctly.

Life ain't easy and it's getting harder and harder. So if you have a story to tell, if you've come through some trials, you need to share it because you're going to inspire someone. You're going to give somebody the motivation to not give up, to not quit. Listen to Angie Martinez IRL on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

So much of the game when we were little was just not being scared of adults. Oh, absolutely. Walking up to adults, speaking clearly, being confident. And that was most of the challenge for a lot of kids. A lot of kids could perform, but were still shy. You needed to have moxie. I think that was... It was at that time, the industry was like... The kids that came in... I remember one commercial audition. It was...

I was in the waiting room for over three and a half hours. I remember telling my mom I was hungry. Let's just go home. And we knew the casting director. She's like, no, we can't. We have to stay. You know, this is...

that we know. And so we finally, I went into the audition and I was like, you couldn't find anybody already? Like, what is taking you so long? Like, honestly, you've seen everybody. And they're like, you got the job. And then I finally just was like, let's go get something to eat. And I just laughed. And,

But it was something. And that's actually what I feel like what's sad now, because so many people who are getting in the industry right now don't get that experience. Like the joy for me was auditioning and being able to like go in and audition

and have those relationships with the casting directors and like being able to like express yourself that way and show who and what we are. Now everything's self-tape and like it's, you find so many actors that like

They talk to themselves in the mirror for so long that they forget how to interact. It's weird. It's different. I don't know. I tend to actually like... Not that I audition anymore, but after 7-Even, I had a lot of anxiety about auditions because I don't actually... I was so young when I started and got 7-Even or the part...

That I don't really have the memory of like going in there and owning it. Well, yeah, because you started. You had 7th Heaven when you were 6. So I really do not find auditions a comfortable place to be and struggle with anxiety about that. So the self-tape is like ideal. All right.

I could just do this and send it in. I know auditions was life when I was a kid. I loved auditions. That was the way of life. You go into the city, do three or four a day. Yeah. I remember I got my start because I was hanging out with a friend in kindergarten one day. And this guy stuck... My friend was in acting classes. I was not. I was just hanging out. And his mom was watching me because my mom...

was not watching me and this guy sticks his head out of a window and was like that's a really cute little kid you should call my friend and his friend became my first manager Terrence whom I recently I love Terrence yeah he was so sweet I caught up with Terrence uh this past year and he's a sweetheart he I'm

said that he had been having a conversation with his friend. He's like, you know, I think I need, I'm looking for like a little, a young kid like to develop. Like this is exactly what, like,

what his parameters were for the next client that he was looking for. And then like, I just walked down this hallway apparently and was that, that was it. And his friend's like, I got your girl, you know? And, um, I only did really good. If we didn't know Terrence, this story is actually quite creepy, but we actually know that Terrence is a good person, but I will have to say,

to say that like the retelling there's part of it that seems like these days would send up like red flags being like well yeah no but I'm saying is so you were good and he was a great he's a great yeah but I also feel like back then the discovery out and about is kind of like a more traditional story I think it's

Like, back to probably weirder or like that, like when I was a kid, my mom just kind of like... No, no, absolutely. We, I mean, I just remember like the first, you know, two years of us, because I only moved to California when I was four and we didn't move to be an actor or anything. That's not, we moved because my dad got a job out there. But...

you know, I just remember being on the freeway a lot. I remember sitting in my booster seat for a long time. I got really good at reading in the backseat of a car without vomiting and an important skill, lots of auditions and lots of Polaroids. And, um,

A few commercials and then I was, you know, at my family's house in Rancho Cucamonga, which is where I lived during the first year or two. My God, you had to drive so... I didn't drive, girl. Well, that's true. Like, we established that I didn't drive until I was 18, really. But I rode a lot. Yeah, so my grandparents, I remember they, like, helped us pay for my SAG dues the first year when I had to join SAG.

you know and it was eligible like you know it was exciting right and and but I didn't really know a whole lot about it and I'm like yeah your show got it got picked up and and I'm like great what's that you know I remember shooting the pilot and those slippers they had these slippers that I would wear all the time and they made them like look really disgustingly dirty on purpose and

I remember us jumping around in circles holding hands by that banister. There was a staircase nearby where we were. And then my mom was like, you know, you could do the pilot, but you never know if it's going to get picked up. Most of them don't get picked up. And I'm like, okay. Which is very true. And then the phone call happens, and it gets picked up! And then it's like the phone call every year, and it's picked up again! And again! Do you remember where you were when you found out the pilot went?

Yeah. Do you remember that moment? I was in the kitchen next to our kitchen phone of. The house phone. The house phone. Because they used to have those. By the way, there was a two hour commute each direction. To Santa Monica. To Santa Monica. Yeah. Because that's where we shot. A lot of time. Ten. I actually don't remember finding out that we were picked up. I don't, I don't.

I don't have that memory. I remember. I remember we were about to leave the house. I mean, I don't remember much about the context of it, but I just remember my family was trying to get out of the house, which is always a process with all of us and all the kids. And then the phone rang and everything stopped. My parents found out and then it turned into like... Did any of your others, your siblings audition? Because Chandler did some auditions as well. He broke his arm in one audition.

He broke his arm in an audition? In an audition, yeah. How do you do that? When we were young, we would do this thing. Someone would pick us up, and then we would flip back upside down. And my four-year-old brother does that to the man he's testing with in the audition. The guy dropped him. Oh, man. Broke his arm.

That sucks. Poor Chandler. I don't think I ever had an injury in an audition. He didn't really enjoy auditions very much. That's probably why he didn't continue on an acting. It's not a great experience. Yeah, it was. But didn't you, I don't remember if any of your siblings did it as well. Yeah, all my brothers and sisters like tried it out for a little while. My sister Michelle did.

did a movie with with Mira Cervino and Michael Imperioli back in the indie film called Sweet Nothing. And she played the obviously she her and I think she had a brother that was two little kids. And there was a sequence in the film where I think it was Michael Imperioli like comes in, he comes slamming through the house and breaking stuff and yelling and whatever. And they didn't tell you

you know, they wanted to get the kids reactions to it kind of organically, which they certainly did. My sister flipped out and then she was like scared of Michael after that and like didn't really understand. And, and then, and, and after that, I don't think she wanted to do it anymore. Like, and she just kind of like all of my brothers and sisters did it for a little while and kind of didn't really attach to it in the way that I did. And, and,

I kind of went as far as I did in this business because I would go out on a ton of auditions and I'd go home and I'd be like, great, I'm going to play my Nintendo. And I would out of sight, out of mind, like I was done with the auditions. I didn't care. So I just moved on. If it's not that important to you, it's much easier. It's when you make, when something is all the, everything, you know, that you are about, then it definitely,

- But I also was lucky in the sense that I had a certain amount of success each year. Every now and then something came through and I would get to be on a set and being on set for me was like the best. Like that to me was the best. I loved being on set. - Me too. - I still love being on set. - 100% me too. - My most comfortable place to be. It's like, I know what's expected of me, what to do, where to stand, how to be. It's just like. - Yeah, and you feel like you're contributing and you have a job to do and you feel important and it's great. - And you know how to do it.

I think also my mom used to say that when I was auditioning, she always used to say like, your turn will come. So I always remembered like when all of my friends would like get, because we'd always be the same people. I was like Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, like all these people I'd go up against and I'd be like, oh, okay, well they get it. Like, you know, and yeah,

So I knew my time was coming. And I think, you know, I also knew that's also part of, like, why I fought so hard for Seventh Heaven because that's the first and only part that I, like, really was like, no, I really think that this should be it. And I actually think I may have initially went out for Mary and then switched to Lucy. I'm not sure. I think that that was part of it, which obviously Lucy was far better for that. Because you guys...

obviously only read for because yeah yeah but there were other things that you would read for different ones i did and i just remember reading i wasn't reading for simon's part though i remember reading the whole pilot too and just boy and his dog thank you had no shot that was me and we'll be right back

Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous, sometimes chaotic life and marriage. I don't think he knew how big it would be, how big the life I was given and live is.

I think he was like, oh, yeah, things come and go. But with me, it never came and went. Is she Donna Martin or a down-and-out divorcee? Is she living in Beverly Hills or a trailer park? In a town where the lines are blurred, Tori is finally going to clear the air in the podcast Misspelling. When a woman has nothing to lose, she has everything to gain. I just filed for divorce. Whoa, I said the words. Yeah.

That I've said like in my head for like 16 years. Wild. Listen to Miss Spelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session, 24 hours. BPM 110.

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Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just remember reading the pilot also being like kind of horrified because it was like that period episode, which is like so uncomfortable and awkward and weird, but also feeling like I'm going to dive for this. Like I'm really going to like go all in and like really like...

I just even remember talking to props about how the tampon had to fall out of my shorts pocket and how the pole had to be big enough for the tampon to slip out. But also being very methodical. Did you drop it and then run away? I did. I had a flash of this in my head. It had to fall out of my pocket. Also because the sound. Remember the music on 7th Heaven was just...

Yeah, it was right on cue. Always. And so, like, you know, it falls over and it's like, do-do-do-do. Yeah. But, like, what was, like, one of your favorite scenes in the pilot? Or do you remember? I think the scene, I mean, like I said, I was really little. And I just remember when you and Jesse and I were holding hands and we had to jump up and down around in a circle. That's in the opening credits. And I remember those really, those big giant slippers that I was wearing for, like,

Many episodes. And you were wearing the overalls, right? And the overalls, yeah. Wait, actually, I have some pictures. And, uh... Wait, let me... I think I have a picture. Happy. Oh. David, that's you and... I remember in shooting, like, we took a bunch of pictures outside in the backyard of that house. Wait, you guys. Look at that. My white blonde hair and my Timberland boots. Now this is, um, just classic us. Yeah. Look at that. Look at that. Aww. I wore a lot of denim.

You did wear a lot of denim. Everybody wore a lot of denim back then. I think we all wore a lot of denim. It was... The Canadian tuxedo. This is also, by the way, I found... These are straight out of my scrapbooks.

Because remember, I had all my scrapbooks. Very funny. Reliving all these pictures from the pilot. And I think actually these were all the ones from us getting our photo shoots. For like to try to get all of our. Oh my gosh. Look at, okay. Look at just one of my favorite things too is like we worked back in the day when they would say rolling and that's because it actually was rolling. And when we had to say cut, check the gate because there were gates everywhere.

Like everything wasn't digital. Like we really had to check the mag. We grew up, yeah, taking Polaroids every day for continuity. Absolutely. So many Polaroids. It was a very analog time. And it was, oh, look at Ewan. There's Ewan Berry. Oh my God. With that hair.

My mom's hair is pretty cool in this, too. We've got. Oh, my God. This car. Eric's first car. Did they crash it or something? The station wagon. And do you. I think we did. Or did we drive it? No, I think. No, I think Jesse and I did it. I think Jesse and I crashed the car. But remember Sam Wiseman, our first director. He always used to say energy, energy, energy, energy. And then we had to do jumping jacks.

Like 10 jumping jacks before every scene. Or actually before every take. Did I remember that too? Well, and for context, like... Dawn holding my feet to the ground. So I didn't wiggle out of frame. Every episode of TV, directors come in and rotate. And eventually what happens is you get your kind of favorite directors come back and you amass like a set of directors that will then rotate and the style kind of...

uh, streamlines. But in the beginning, you never know what you're going to get with a bunch of rotating directors. So that I remember, especially in the first season, we stylistically with the directors, it was kind of all over the place. Yeah. And the high energy stuff always felt strange because we were, we were a family show. We were a drama. Yeah. It wasn't

I mean, I guess it was kind of melodramatic, but like we didn't have like sitcom energy. That was not the vibe. The director was in charge. You'd always have to kind of follow the leader in that way. And so like playing that game with with

All the different directors was really funny in the beginning. And for everyone who's listening and you want to see some of these pictures, we will absolutely be posting some of this magic. And you also might see some of my great scrapbooking skills and lots of stickers because I require apparently a lot of

- Your scrapbooking has some great 90s colors, by the way. - I also have some really good-- - You have the pink, blue, and the yellow. - I have some great captions. - There's a standard 90s palette, some orange in here. - And apparently you hit it out of the park and you are part of my Bev's Buds section. - Let's do that. - With Mac and David. - Bev's Buds. - You are my Bev's Buds.

I love that you captioned all these. Do you remember the honey wagons? Of course I do. Because, you know, a lot of people... Look, here are the ratty slippers I was talking about. I know, I remember that. Because, you know what? A lot of people used to think, like, it was very...

like on set, you've like really made it and you have all these beautiful like trailers. We were all in the same Honeywagon. That is not the situation. No, I spent most of my early career in Honeywagons. You were number six, right? And Honeywagons, Five. For the audience to understand what a Honeywagon is, it's basically like a glorified closet with a toilet inside it. It's like literally, You can't even really sit down actually. No. The bench is just, just wide enough to be slightly uncomfortable for the human behind. Yes. And so I remember Jesse and I were,

I were right next to each other so we would open up our honey wagon to make it feel bigger right we would always there was usually a honey wagon is just a big trailer truck with like eight

eight or nine doors, right? So little hallways going down the side of the truck and each one, you know, as you have rotating actors coming in and out, everyone would kind of get one and then they'd rotate them for new actors as they'd come and go. But in the beginning, that's what we all had, honey wagons. And then you get a half banger. Dang, that's when you get a full trailer. Getting the half banger though, that felt like we made it. That was like, ooh, we had a nice trailer. Who did you share your half banger with?

Oh, I don't remember. Then we all integrated a whole full trailer. That was a while. That took us a while. It took us a while, but eventually we each had a trailer. I remember. Look at us now. I remember sitting in front of the furnace of my...

trailer like oh i used to do that get the burrito my favorite my favorite thing for catering was like a blt i had a blt every morning i got the same thing every day too every morning six months i'd eat the same thing every day for breakfast and then i would switch and eat something else for six months straight the best part of sets by the way is the fact that you have catering and you can eat

Like if your caterer is really cool, then you can have whatever you'd like. Like if the caterer loves you, they'll make you whatever you want. And Juan and Aligio, Aligio and Juan, man, they were awesome.

And I just remember just being like, you just have whatever you want for breakfast. They make me pancakes every day. My favorite too is like, they would have it ready for me every morning. Like I never even had to order because they knew like one, I was quite predictable. And so they always had it ready for me. I think most of us all settled into like our favorite breakfast. Yeah. What were your top three breakfast meals? Mine was the same thing. I had a BLT every morning.

Was David at Pancakes? It was Pancakes, usually. If I was feeling fancy, it was Pancakes or like a breakfast burrito.

Mine was a breakfast burrito with turkey, mushrooms, ham and cheese, or an English muffin sandwich with ham, eggs and cheese. Or the other third option was scrambled eggs with turkey and toast. Nice. And I would just rotate between those three dishes. They couldn't pre-make because they didn't know what you were feeling in the morning. Because I'd make the switch to one for a season. Oh, got it. And then switch to the other one.

It was hard the day where you switched breakfasts. It's like switching time zones. They're like daylight savings. It's like, ugh. So were you guys ever like, let's go back to the pilot. We've jumped ahead. We veered, yes. So back to the pilot. You know, I don't really remember necessarily being nervous or if I was nervous, it was like when I got home. But like being on set, I just remember like,

I always stepped up and felt like this was where I belonged. And like, it felt like home. So I always felt like safe. My favorite place to be. And it was like where I was comfortable and just knowing what's expected of you and how, you know, that's a compliment. I always felt super comfortable on set. I was never nervous on set. And everyone was so nice. They're in supportive. Like,

What's not to like? It was great. I know. I think it's, again, we had such a unique experience because it wasn't the norm to have a set that was so warm, welcoming, and where we truly were all there for each other and, like, were...

I mean, it was a kid-friendly set. There were so many of us. And so I think in a way, you kind of keep set drama away from the kids. Like it has, you know, like so... If it was there, we weren't aware that it was there. I'm sure there was set drama that was happening around us and it just didn't have nothing to do with us and that was fine. You know, but from my perspective, it was always friendly and fun. And so much of the crew was like...

was like family to us and would hang out with us. And it was kind of a young crew, I feel like too, right? Was it not sort of like, I remember? Well, I think there was definitely those that were more experienced that were definitely like had been around for a long time. And then there were, there were definitely a lot of people I felt like that I could play with. No, maybe it was only me thinking I was playing and they were just like,

You know, maybe it was pestering. I also remember you looking straight into the camera thinking that they wouldn't notice. I also would cross my eyes a lot thinking they didn't notice. Then I would like fold my... This like weird eye trick and I also thought no one could notice. Yeah, and then you also would...

You didn't like to be straight on your mark. So I remember Dawn literally standing underneath you. Well, that's because I was like this. And then they started giving me Adderall, which was like. And then I also remember sandbags. We had to sandbag you too. Like put the sandbags around your feet. I had to wear skorts all the time because I would sit with like, you know, like this. I do remember that.

And I had to sit on fernie pads a lot too. I also remember I used to drive. I have a little girl. Skorts are where it's at. Skorts are where it's at. Yeah. I mean, what were they thinking trying to put a five-year-old in a skirt? It's probably their fault, not mine. And I also, I do remember that Jesse and I used to have our own battles though too because we were so close in age and so entirely different personality-wise. Were you competing for Barry's affections?

I mean, for like a millisecond, we thought Barry was hot until like then we got to know him. Just a millisecond. All of us thought Barry was hot for just a millisecond. It was a millisecond. Not any longer than that, I promise. As soon as we got to know Barry, it was like, no, you're not hot anymore. You're just Barry. Which, by the way, today is actually Barry's birthday. Is it? Yeah. Today. Because I thought it was like last week. No, like today. No, it's today. I guess it's today. Happy birthday, Barry. Which actually, I believe,

I believe... So once Bev got to know about Barry's personality, hey, happy birthday, Barry. No, I'm just saying... No, let me go full circle. I'm coming back up. Actually, on the pilot, it was Barry's birthday also. Really? So wait, is this the anniversary of the pilot being shot? Obviously. It would be, yeah. I guess it is. Yeah, we're pretty close to it. That's why we're shooting this today. That's why we're shooting the podcast is because it's an anniversary of when we shot...

the pilot. And of Barry's life. And yeah. So many years ago. 1996, baby. 1996. 1996. 96. 96. Yeah. Yeah. From what I remember of shooting the pilot is that all of my audition stuff was about the dog. All my scenes in the pilot was talking to Steven about how

um, that I was praying to God because I wanted a dog. Did you know God is dog spelled backwards? All of these things are where, where my, my moments in the pilot. And what's, what's funny about it. What I remember about it is that I was the New York kid and I was fresh out of New York. So my New York accent was thick. And, and what,

many people might not remember about the 90s was that back in the 90s, New York accents were pretty standard. They were like, it was normal for in films and in television shows for people to have New York accents. And like, it wasn't a thing. It was just, it was kind of American. And then in the late 90s into the 2000s, New York accents like

like kind of the California became neutral American like accent. And I had to learn to not sound like I was fresh out of New York. But all of my lines were about

axing God for a dog. And I couldn't like for the life of me figure out how to not sound like that. And I remember the directors trying to help me and everyone trying to help me. And I remember them going to my mom and being like, um, he keeps saying dog. Uh, can you talk to him? And my mom looks at the AD and goes, what's wrong with the way he says dog. And they were like,

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At some point, I remember in one scene, and you can probably see this. I'm sure if we watch the pilot, you can hear it. Because I had to say that I asked God for a dog, which is easy to say now. But I couldn't say ask. That I asked. You asked? Oh, that's actually... Right? Asked. Asked. Right? And that was the hardest. It was like the biggest challenge I'd ever had on a set. And Stephen was like,

just say asked. And I was like, I can't say that. And he's like, you can, it'll be fine. So I did. And that's how I got through it. I said that I asked God, I asked God for a dog and I could manage to say dog, but I couldn't say asked.

And yeah, so we'll have to read, we'll have to see if you can hear it. But, but I specifically remember that like, that was the trick that like got me through was that I had to like, say it a different thing to kind of like squeeze it in there and get it, get it past everybody. Yeah.

But yeah, that was my struggle was that I still was, had a very thick New York accent and none of you guys did. And so I had to hide it. Did you lose teeth? Like we had like the, to get a flipper or not to get a flipper conversation. I went through that on, um,

On Look Who's Talking. Yeah. I had to get it. Oh, do you remember getting a flipper? Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. I lost my tooth right when we started. For all of those who are listening. I have a great story for that. Who don't understand what a flipper is. So a flipper is a fake tooth that you can wear. It's like a retainer with a fake tooth. It's a retainer with a tooth on it. So that way you don't have unsightly gaps in your teeth as you're talking.

If you're a kid who loses your front teeth when your character doesn't, then they put this in there and they fill it in with a fake tooth. Oh, wait. I think we found that scene. So let's take a look. Does Grandma like dogs? Simon, what happened to the sea monkeys we got you? Remember the sea monkeys? This was definitely my audition scene. I see. And what about the ant farm? They ran away. You dropped them.

Still. And the goldfish. Who knows how much a fish can eat, Dad? See, Simon, a dog is a lot harder to take care of than all these other pets, and I'm just afraid you're not responsible enough. But, Dad, all that was a long, long time ago. All that was in the last six months. But I'm all grown up now. I can take care of a dog. I swear. Don't swear. Sorry, Dad.

But what if a perfectly good dog that was out wandering the streets on its own and could get killed anywhere, anytime, by anyone just happened to come into our yard? Can we keep that dog? I mean, chances are he'd have a better chance of surviving here with us than out in the streets, Dad. Please, please, please.

- You're a pretty good negotiator, you know that? - That was not the scene, but it's... - I did hear the little bit of the New York accent. - I'm just glad that I'm saying dog. - Because I was looking for it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, you were just looking for it. There was like one word. - You definitely said dog. - Dog. - Oh, you said dog, yeah. - But by the way, that's also the cutest scene ever and you are absolutely adorable. - So cute. - My hair looks bleached.

Your hair was so blonde. I know. I think a lot of people didn't realize that was like you. Yeah. No, I mean, I was that blonde. I was the blonde kid. And my bangs really were that strong. My bang gang. That sounds terrible.

I strike back. You got that backwards, actually. I'm not even gonna say no. I just... Oh my gosh. Insert foot in mouth. Oh, man. Oh, boy. You keep going. Okay. Can cut the tension with those bangs. So I think that this is a perfect spot for us to end this episode, and I hope you guys really enjoyed it and get ready to come back to catch up with the Camptons.

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