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Kay hasn't heard from her sister in seven years. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. What was that? That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. Can Kay trust her sister or is history repeating itself? There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams.

Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm. Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous life.

Sometimes chaotic life in marriage. I just filed for divorce. Whoa. I said the words that I've said like in my head for like 16 years.

Listen to Miss Spelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's when my mom started taking me out to like, to go to auditions and like do little things because she was just doing that with me. It was just me and my mom. It's so time consuming. Like when I think about all of the time my mom and your mom spent driving us to auditions. Oh my God. Wait.

I lived in the car. Literally, like, lived in the car. Don't you remember the smell of your backseat? The backseat of whatever vehicle? That's where I would, that was my, like, I slept, I did my homework, it was my dinner table, my breakfast table, like, that's, I lived in the car. I remember laying in the backseat and, like, looking up at the bridge, like, the 59th Street Bridge, like, going over the bridge all the time. So you were auditioning in New York before, and then you moved here. Yeah.

What made her decide to do that? Just your adorable face? My mom says that I was cute and she wanted to see me on TV. She was like, my baby's cute and I'm going to put him on TV and that'd be cool. And that was it. It was just like, and then it just became like the thing we did. Should we save this for... Oh, you are? Yeah.

- Especially starting, if anyone wants to. - Oh. Well, hey, should we introduce ourselves? - We can do that later. - You don't want to introduce ourselves to the-- - We could. - I mean, we could. - Are we just gonna say our names? - Gosh, we're-- - And our heights? - I'm Beverly Mitchell and I am 5'1". - Let's do that way, let's do it that way. - Really? - Yeah! - That was fun. - Oh my god, I forgot slating. - Let's do that. - Slating? - Yeah, we can't do it so long. - Don't make me do it.

Yeah. Oh, because then you also had to say how old you were. We're not going to do that. Oh, I mean, I don't give a about that. That's easy to-- you know, if I forgot ID, you can always just be like, look, I'm 21, see? Also, you should really watch my mouth. Google me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. All right, let's start. Whatever that means. Who wants to go first? I'll go first.

- Right, one an hour. - Wait, who gets the ? - Just one, we have to split it. - Yeah. - Okay, let's start. Hey everybody, welcome to Catching Up with the Camdens. I'm Beverly Mitchell. - Hi everybody, I'm Mackenzie Robinson and I am 4'11". - Oh, this is going great already. I am David Gallagher. - Yes. - And I'm 5'10".

Um, that was awkward. Hey everybody, this is Catching Up with the Camdens. I'm Beverly Mitchell. And I'm David Gallagher. And I'm David Gallagher. No. Pull it together, guys! I'm not trying to ruin it. It'll be funny. Okay, fine. Sorry. I feel like we're dealing with the Mac of, like, when you were seven. We're catching up.

- Okay. - Okay, all right, fine. We have to do a serious-- - What's great is we can just keep using all of these how many times it takes us to do an intro. - You guys thought you weren't gonna edit? - Jared's like, oh Jesus. Okay, ready? Hey everyone! - Oh no. - I swear we can do this. Okay.

Hey everyone, this is Catching Up with the Camdens. I'm Beverly Mitchell. I'm David Gallagher. I'm Mackenzie Rosman. And we are so excited to be here with you guys to share some of our favorite memories and to catch up because it's been a while. We're excited to embarrass each other as well. I mean... Oh boy. Oh god. There's so much. I know.

I'm going for the low-hanging fruit first. I can only imagine. You guys are pretty safe. My memory is pretty shoddy. Well, I know it's crazy because we have known each other for so long. Yeah? Well, yeah, sure, most of our lives. I blocked a lot of it out. Mack, you started when you were six, right? I was so fun. You were six, right? Yeah. And then you were...

When we started, I was 11. You were 11, and I was 15. We had so much fun together, though. Like, it was the best time. And then I heard about, like, how other shows people don't have fun all the time. Yeah, which never made much sense to me, honestly. I don't know what their problem was. It was great. It is kind of crazy, because I think...

We it was our normal so like we just I remember just the environment at work was like we truly were like family from the get-go even with like crew and Everyone like yeah, we had so much fun

That, like, when our guest stars came on, they were always, like, shocked, being like, you guys like each other? But we were also kids on a kid show. Yes. So, like, so our perspective of it being fun and exciting and looking forward to it all the time was so unbothered by...

You know what I mean? Whereas I think that's kind of where the others, because I mean, we've all been on other sets that are not since being a child and it has not been the same experience, you know? So, and also because there were so many of us, like that's part of why we

we look back on it so fondly and we had such a good time. It was never boring because it was always, you know. And there were like a hundred aunts and uncles to hang out with too. Yeah. It was a nice crew. What also is crazy is so many times a lot of shows had a lot of animosity and competition. Like there was no competition. Well plus we were all in a different age range too. So it wasn't like we were auditioning for the same roles and I was like, ah.

I wanted that part and you got it. I mean, Jessie and I were closest in age. We were. But she was, remember, I was, I'm older than Jessie and she played my older sister. Right. Because she's tall. Because she's tall. Yeah. Yeah. And because I'm not. And I also still look like a child. But it's fine. I'm not. I'm not.

But yeah, I think the crazy-- - You should start adding some free radical damage to your life. - You are too much. - I just also remember like, it was so fun

with all of us, and just being in this very exciting, very crazy time when we were the show that no one thought was going to do well. No one believed in us. No. I don't think... I think they still don't. I think even us. I just remember being on set through the first season and stuff, and everyone being like, well...

It was fun. Bye, guys. See you. Well, let's keep in touch. I remember nobody ever thought we were going to get picked up. Even after years, when we were really popular and doing well, we still thought we were like, well, that's it. Just waiting to get axed. Yeah, we just thought it was over every year. I remember that was like a running joke at a certain point. I know. It was kind of like on season 11 when we finally said,

Is this really goodbye? Because how many times have we said goodbye beforehand? We were tricked into saying goodbye the year before. Yes. Was that the RV one? Was that the 10th season or the 11th one? Honestly, you guys, I don't remember. We all waved goodbye from an RV. I don't remember.

That must have been the real finale. Was I there for that? I don't know if I was there for that. I think we adopted some other kids and put them in the RV with us, I remember. Yeah, a few of us bowed out early. Yeah. I rode that train until it crashed. I don't remember when we got... I mean, I remember that I had theories about how television worked at the time and that there had to be little people inside the box in my living room. We are those little people. Yeah, and then I was...

Except for your 5'10". And I still, you know, even after being on TV, I'm not sure I made the connection that I was on TV. No, I did. Okay. I was like, we need to school you on what that's like. What are you doing? I'm fixing nails. In the middle. So if anybody hears any emery board, isn't that what that's called? In the middle of, that would be Mac. Emery board. Isn't that what this is? It is, yeah. I was confirming you. Oh, okay. Okay.

So like and I think also One I just wanted to bring up like how we've all gotten here today because I think this has been a long time Coming and we finally like made it happen. You made it happen. You you you did this. This is you This is all for you. You did all you did all of this because it's all for us. It's all because of you Yeah, well, I mean I guess

I do have to say I have a lot of pride in that I have tried the best I could to stay in touch with everybody through all of the years at some point. Like even though sometimes there's been distance, what's great though, I also feel is magical about us is that when we all come back together, it's like no time has been lost.

Exactly. That's true. Yeah, that's yeah, I mean, but that's how it is with family That's how it should be with with family and I feel like we're like an extended family We've always been like that. We've always thought of each other and treated each other that way. Absolutely Absolutely, and I think also that's what would mean so much to our fans too And what is so fun to be able to share with them is that that is our truth like our truth is we had a

amazing, fond memories of our experience together. And we experienced a lot of life together. And learned a lot about different things. Right. Yeah. And then the bonds still exist and are still strong. Absolutely.

It is funny and I really noticed that when we all came together at 90s Con because that had been probably the longest stretch between seeing one another and it just felt so comfortable so quickly. Yeah, instantly, yeah. Yeah, which was really remarkable. Which was a relief. Yeah. It was. I think everybody was a little nervous. I had absolute confidence that we were going to be magical and wonderful and everything was going to be just fine. But it was...

Why are you laughing at me? I don't know, because you just said it was going to be just fine. You're bubbly and perky, and I'm impressed. But I mean, yeah. I'm not laughing at you. I mean, you are laughing at me, but it's okay. I'll accept it. I don't think of it as a...

I know it's with love. Of course it's with love. Bev, your confidence just, you know, permeates into all of our pores. But you know what was really cool and I thought was so special about 90s Con 2 was seeing how after all of these years, our fans are still like so attached. It was... Dude.

Like, my eyes welled up with tears meeting some of these people. Yeah. I mean, it was just really neat to feel like you were important in someone's life. And, you know, I think the best feeling in the world is when you're lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to be there for someone. But because of this show and hearing about them, we realized...

how much more of an impact we've been able to have on other people like that. Like when we ran into that girl outside on the sidewalk and she's like, "You made me feel comfortable being the only like browner person in a family of really white people." I was like, "Oh my God." - Really? - I didn't hear that. - That was when David and I went back to go get the thing. - When you went to go get-- - And I-- - Mm-hmm. - That's not what I would have thought of as one benefit of Seventh Heaven. - For context though. - But it was like,

On the bottom of my IMDB thing, there were all of the message boards were like, is Ruthie adopted? Ruthie's from Puerto Rico. That was a longstanding thing with you because I remember that, that like, that you were always like in question as like looking slightly different than the rest of the family. Officer Michaels, I don't know.

Christopher Michael. Is that his name? But I just remember his character name. I don't remember his character. Yeah, there was that. But for context, we're in 90s con. This girl was so sweet. I...

- Melted. - Mackenzie brings to, we all go to eat, it's our first meal together at this thing, we were all catching up. Mackenzie's like, "I brought something for you." And she pulls out this magazine with me on the cover and I look like a serial killer. I have this like, I have this like broody, I don't know what was going through my head. - Very Zoolander. - It was very Zoolander and broody and embarrassing and I look very intense.

I have another copy, I only gave you one because I had two. You know, I put it down and then when we left, we get back to the hotel and I realized I left it at the place and I was just like, I can't leave this thing in the wild somewhere. Like, we have to go back and get it because I don't want this thing to, I don't want it to fall into the wrong hands.

So we went back to get it and that's where we ran into that girl who stopped you. But yeah, it was just me and Mac. We like went on that tangent together. I remember. That's when I went to take a nap. She...

It was so sweet. It was so nice to meet everybody. And I think it was also, it's incredible to hear stories. Like, I mean, remember there were fans that came from... Jan, who came from Paris. France. Oh, my God. I have a little note that he gave me, and it's still, like, it's just...

Beautiful handwriting, by the way. But yeah, he was nervous about expressing himself in English, so he had written out a nice note. Did you read his note? Of course, yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was very sweet. It's so incredible. So nice. Just also because...

You know, you think of the people that we've, like, hit here in the U.S., and then you also realize that so many people from other countries also learned English by watching our show as well. And, like, how it's translated across the world has always been impressive. And also, it's crazy, too, because looking back at some of these episodes, like, you're reliving, like, your most embarrassing moments.

possible moments for the entire world to see over. Oh, there's some doozies. Like, yeah, that's an understatement. I mean, there's some things where, like, I really thought were, like... Well, your pilot story was... Oh, getting my period. Yeah. And, yeah, it was... The pilot episode was all about, like, Lucy wanting to get her period because that's normal. I don't know. And I remember also the most awkward part... I mean, it is normal. To be excited about getting your period? To get your period. Oh, I mean, I guess so, yeah. I mean, but what's crazy about it, in that...

Pilot I hadn't gotten my period so I didn't even know what I was like trying to be excited about yeah That's a theme of the show that like there were many things that our characters would have to deal with that we as actors as Children had not dealt with yet like I learned about the Holocaust because when we had did an episode about it Yeah, that was a big that was my episode. I had to dive into that and learn about a lot of stuff and

when we did that. I remember that was very intense. I mean, there's also, we learned about weed on the show from Catherine and Barry, right? I learned about weed in college. Okay. That's a whole other episode. I learned about weed when I should have been in college. Speaking of college. Didn't mean to derail us right there. Sorry. And we'll be right back.

I don't think he knew how big it would be, how big the life I was given and live is.

I think he was like, oh, yeah, things come and go. But with me, it never came and went. Is she Donna Martin or a down-and-out divorcee? Is she living in Beverly Hills or a trailer park? In a town where the lines are blurred, Tori is finally going to clear the air in the podcast, Misspelling.

When a woman has nothing to lose, she has everything to gain. I just filed for divorce. Whoa. I said the words that I've said like in my head for like 16 years. Wild. Listen to Miss Spelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you.

Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session. 24 hours. BPM 110, 120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not. What was that? You didn't figure it out? I think I need to hear you say it. That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. This machine is approved and everything? You're allowed to be doing this? We passed the review board a year ago. We're not hurting people.

There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm. Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I took community college classes of like completely unrelated subjects like chemistry and sewing. Chemistry and sewing? Yeah, just like random things that I was interested in. The two subjects you needed? Classes? I wasn't really pursuing a degree but just... Just credits? Random knowledge. Getting some credits.

Yeah, he enjoyed it. Santa Monica is great. I mean, at the end of the day, that's why I bowed out early. It was because I had gotten into ESC. Through that time, I remember trying to, you know, trying to work it out so that I could stay on the show. And that's why they did that episode where it was like the 7th Heaven recap episode where I like narrated this slideshow recap. Do you guys remember that? I don't.

There's an episode where and I swear it's true. I remember this I'm not making it up where I narrated like the recap of our family's life because they decided to write that Simon was also gonna go to film school Because that's what I was doing. There was a lot of mirroring. Yeah, and so I did that and they'd written me off and then I

But then I ended up coming back anyway because trying to work out the schedule that didn't work initially ended up working out okay in the end. And so then I was kind of like back and then I was gone again. And I ended up not being there in the very end, which is why I think on your board over there, I am missing. Yeah, you did not sign it. But that's because... You didn't sign it now.

It's because it says that it's from '07 and that was the year I graduated. So there's definitely a year that I was not there. Well, yeah, because that's when the show ended. But isn't that the reason that a few of us, like Jessie, went to college? She went to Tufts. And that was kind of when she... Yeah. I went to Loyola, but I was still working on the show at the same time. So I would go, I did my mornings at

school and then I would come to work. How did you work that out with them? Because I tried to work that out with them and then for a while it did work out but it was tough to get. Probably the reason why they didn't do it with you is because it wasn't so successful with me. And so they're like well it didn't work with Bev so but I think also I was even when I was here it was so hard because I was trying to be a college student trying to get my classes in and then I was also trying to be at work full-time doing all of that. And I lived in

in the dorms because I like wrote to Loyola and I said I never get treated like a normal kid. I really want to live in the dorms and feel like a true college student. I moved into the dorm too. And so I lived in the dorms and basically I became everyone's mother and so everyone came to my dorm room for snacks. Surprise. Everyone.

- Surprise, surprise. - Whenever there was any drama, I was the one to have to fix it. - You were the house bunny. - Yeah, so I had to take care of an entire dorm filled with girls and then realize that this was not great for trying to also

work full-time. Yeah. Too much responsibility. It was a lot. You're like, this is like my last job, but it doesn't pay as well. Is that when you moved here? That's when we lived here, which is crazy. I mean, on a lesser degree, because I wasn't of college age then, I wanted to do the same thing. I wanted to be around people my own age. I had things to check off of my

Lists like get a boyfriend, you know, I think kiss someone not on TV in front of a bunch of people That was always the most your first kiss was on camera. Yeah, my first kiss was on camera and was it all on our show? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like I went to high school. That's all They were nice. Oh, I also remember I think I

I actually believe that Brenda was worried about me with my first kiss on camera. It was great. And I'm pretty sure... I think I actually cast someone I knew because I was like... Wasn't it Lance? No, it wasn't Lance. But, like, the awkward part was... You had to kiss a lot of people on the show. I kissed a lot of people on the show. And what's weird is, like, I think...

The weirdest part about it was like I am like probably the prudest, like most boring, normal girl. But on the show. Yeah, you've been kissing the same guy for quite a while. I mean, ever since. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah.

Maybe not. No. But it's like, I, on the show, I was like so promiscuous. Like I had so many, so many boyfriends. But like in real life, like I could not get a boyfriend if I tried. Actually, Michael was my first boyfriend. You got a boyfriend. And I married him.

All of us took that trajectory though. Once we became teenagers, then the show was like, well, it's time for you to date everybody. Yeah, that's so true. Did you get a tattoo that said T-bone on your lower back? Because I got one. Did you really? Yeah, I had a giant tramp stamp.

That said T-bone? It said T-bone. Who was T-bone? I forgot. My boyfriend. No, I mean... Colton was his last name. Oh, Colton. Yeah, he'd give me a ride to work and a ride home. Really? Yeah, because then my mom didn't have to go in. My God.

He lived nearby. And it was enjoyable. He was fun. Do you still talk to Colton? No. T-Bone? T-Bone. T-Bone Trevor. No, I don't. I mean, I remember I had Jimmy Moon. Oh my God, there's a name. He was like your first. And he had the haircut, the very 90s, like DiCaprio cut. Like DiCaprio from Romeo and Juliet. Yes, Jimmy Moon. That's such a weird... You guys are saying Jimmy Moon and my brain is trying to like...

Go through the index. Well, there was also, I don't remember what his character name was, but I just remember the one guy had very... Fish, yeah. Yeah, he had... Yeah, he had a... Very big lips. How was kissing him? There was just a lot of lip. I think that's where the show lost the plot is when they just started having us date everybody and it became a dating sim instead of what kind of body we started. You know, I will say,

I will say something about the first kiss thing is that I feel like having to do it on in front of like a hundred people, but it's a part of your job. It sort of takes all of the anxiety you might normally have had about it out of the window. Like you're going to focus. Whether you like it or there's no question of, does he like me? Does he not like me? Blah, blah, blah. So for that, in that sense, it's the opposite. All right. Pucker up. Let's go.

But, yeah. Do it again. And I think what's really cool and what I'm excited to share on this podcast is to really, like, dive into such stories, like, you know, about our first kisses. I mean, that's like a whole episode all on its own. Oh, man. Even more than what we've just spoken about. I mean, also talking about, you know, our favorite behind-the-scene memories. And then also reliving some of these moments that, I mean, have you guys watched the show? I mean, I didn't watch it a lot when we were doing it because I was, like... Living it?

Yeah, and I was horrified at how much worse my performance appeared than it felt. So it was really hard to watch. But I like watching it now because we're so little that it's sort of like watching home videos. I haven't seen episodes since. I don't watch it regularly, but I have. I'm like, "Oh gosh, Little Weaver." And then I go in the other room. I have not seen the show.

since probably we were making the show. So this will be fun to read some of these comments. I showed my daughter the one, the episode with my stepsister who she's named after and grandpa, her grandpa is in that episode. That's actually really special. It's really special and nice that you have that for those reasons. It's cool. It is really crazy how the show had so many aspects of our own personal lives slowly integrated in very different ways.

Some good and some bad, but I think yeah, you know It's gonna be fun to kind of relive this with the fans and to share it here on catching up with the Camden's and also just get to be with you guys and to get to kind of reconnect and go on this journey yet again and also the fact that we're like kind of semi adults and Have children of our own. Yeah, I think we all qualify as adults Not even young adults

Not even young adults, no. Just standard garden variety adults. Yep. A friend of mine tried to call me. He was like, you're middle-aged now. That's rude. Well, no, it's fine. But, I mean, technically, isn't that like half of what your life expectancy is? I don't know if there's like a hard line where that's true or not. I think it's more of a feeling. I'm almost halfway to 70. I think at some point you just know that you are now middle-aged. Yeah. Ugh.

We're going to find our groove. Or not. Either way, it should be fine. Don't worry about it. And we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session, 24 hours. BPM 110.

120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not. What was that? You didn't figure it out? I think I need to hear you say it. That was live audio of a woman's nightmare. This machine is approved and everything? You're allowed to be doing this? We passed the review board a year ago. We're not hurting people. There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm.

Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous, sometimes chaotic life and marriage. I don't think he knew how big it would be, how big the life I was given and live is.

I think he was like, oh, yeah, things come and go. But with me, it never came and went. Is she Donna Martin or a down-and-out divorcee? Is she living in Beverly Hills or a trailer park? In a town where the lines are blurred, Tori is finally going to clear the air in the podcast Misspelling. When a woman has nothing to lose, she has everything to gain. I just filed for divorce. Whoa, I said the words. Yeah.

that I've said like in my head for like 16 years. Wild. Listen to Misspelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

All right, so it had been a while before 90s Cunt. I think I missed the last get together because I had just moved to the East Coast. But David, did you go to that? I haven't seen you in like over a decade before 90s Cunt. Wait, was it that dinner? I didn't go to that. Or was it at Jesse's restaurant opening? There was that. Were you there to that? No, I didn't. I don't think I was there for that. I saw you all at Jesse's thing.

Wait, Jesse's restaurant opening? Is something cooks the place off of the kid-friendly restaurant? Yes, yes, yeah, all of it. Yeah, I went there. I don't remember David being there. I was probably not there. You were not? Okay. I don't seem to remember that. So I haven't seen you in like a million years. I wasn't sure whether you were still alive, actually. I'm alive.

The last time we all got together where I was there was when we all went to dinner on Ventura. Yes, Manti. You called me, though, right after I moved to Maryland to tell me that you'd had a daughter. And I remember that. I remember where I was standing. I also remember you at Marmalade Cafe in Malibu when you came and had lunch with the kiddos. And you were riding the motorcycle, and I was terrified for your life. Because...

Mack rides motorcycles and I was never thought that that was a good idea. I wrote it to that restaurant yeah. Yeah. The one also Jesse's restaurant. Oh you wrote it there too? Yep. Oh wow. How'd you valet the I guess you can valet a motorcycle. You don't valet them. You just find E's parking right in front. Put it right on the sidewalk. You don't need to valet it. So the things that I don't

- I know, and now here we are with five kids amongst us. - Yeah, we all have three. - So I got three. - Oh yeah, I was like, how did we get all the way to five? It's 'cause of you. - Yeah, 'cause of you. - And Barry brings us up to eight. - And then Jessie's to 10. - Wow. - Topper's 11.

Yep. Ours are our newer generation. Yes, ours are the young ones. Yes. I know it is crazy just now being parents. Like, it's still kind of a trip for me. And it was really cool, though, because Jessie and I...

were pregnant at the same time with our youngest. So we were actually experiencing that at the same time, which was actually very fun. They were holding hands in the delivery room, actually. I mean, if my hand could reach to Montana from L.A. Because we were both, we had COVID babies. So we were in the midst of COVID having children. I lucked out with Lily because COVID.

COVID kind of timed out where she started school right as that was ending. So it's... So lucky. Yeah, it all kind of worked out well for us. I hear that like a lot of children who started school during COVID really had a hard time adjusting to it after. Yeah, understandably, yeah. Like socially and things like that. You know what? I think they're probably similar to how we were growing up being on a set.

Yeah, I mean, you guys, we all went to school, right? Like, during the show? Did we all do that? Did you actually go to a real school? I did, like, probably 50% of the time homeschool, but then I would also do private schools. But I honestly thought, like, when I went as a senior, because I, like, needed to know that I could get along with people my own age, it was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be. I thought that...

I would have sort of a difficult time, but it was definitely easy and everyone was nice. Yeah, I always, the whole time I was in a school. Teenagers can be mean, so. Yeah, definitely. As someone who was a teenager, obviously I was a nice teenager. No, it was crazy growing up and trying to juggle being gay

an average teenager and what that life was like and trying to just understand what's going on with the social circles, that was more challenging than like trying to deal with your homework and the school stuff. - I think the worst part was having to go to bed when it was still light out because you got up at like 4:00 a.m. and all your friends are playing outside and you're just like looking out the window. - I don't know, but I never had like a bedtime enforced on me so I would be up really late and then I would just get up early

Shower it off and go to work and it was fine I was like 17 Still has a bedtime. I had to make sure that she was well now it's self-enforced. Yeah Actually last night. I was like do you think this cameras here? Oh?

She's watching what time I get home. I was actually worried about you. I was like, I hope she got home okay and everything's fine and she was able to figure it out. But I didn't, I forgot to turn on the water heater, so I apologize for the cold shower. But just making sure you're like fresh as a baby. I said I wasn't going to be high maintenance. You did say that. We needed you to be sharp this morning and awake. I mean, we did bring you from the East Coast all the way here, so we definitely need to keep you awake. Awake. Awake.

I mean, you have had two coffees. I've had two venti lattes this morning. Yeah. I'm doing fine. I'm doing just fine. Question for you. Do you think being on a show helped or hindered the awkward teenage years, like in school? I think being on a show amplifies your awkward teenage years, but I also feel like it puts it in a way that, like,

I guess I felt like I lived it out on television so I didn't have to, like, really deal with it personally because it was just, it's just like you literally throw it all. Like the first kiss thing. Yeah. You know? I mean, it was awkward in the fact that you're doing it in front of a hundred, like, of your friends.

Pseudo dads and moms that are watching and judging you not judging you. It's a strange They were so supportive like that it's weird to compare cuz you just like I only grew up the one I only know the one way that I that I kind of lived through school and that and I was always working Through all the years that I was in school so it kind of does both things like it amplifies

Like in school I was cooler than I ever would have been having not been on TV but I was also made fun of a lot more than I ever would have been having not been on TV. And so like it did both things. Like it amplified the best parts of school and the worst parts of school. The thing that I always...

appreciated about it. I guess looking back on it as an adult, I was kind of like a ghost in school. Like I would just, no one ever knew when I'd be there. I would show up on a random day because I'd have whatever, I'd have a Thursday off this week. And so then I'd be at school that Thursday. The way that I did schoolwork was that my teachers would have to like

Send work ahead for the following weeks so that I could kind of keep pace with whatever they were doing in class But it would never be exact because you know I would do things at different days And so I'd be at school, and I'd usually be doing something that I already did yeah, so being at school was just kind of like

the social exercise for me largely because I would go there and not be kind of on pace with everybody on stuff. That was crazy because you also went to my high school, the high school that I went to. I did, yeah. Yeah, and so it was also... Shamnad. I went there for one year. They asked me not to come back, though. Are you serious? I wasn't following the homework orders, but it was mostly the dress code. Like, I wore the wrong shoes all the time.

And so they were like, they banished you on dress code? That's what I'm going with. I feel like dress code is one of those things that a lot of people didn't respect to the fullest. No. They was like, black or white shoes only. So I wore black Uggs. Apparently, I wasn't okay. They were like, don't ever come back with your fuzzy shoes. Oh my goodness.

I wonder how much extra work it was for the teachers to send our packages of work. It was definitely extra work for the teachers. Because the relationship with the teachers was also, in the same way that it was with the students, it amplified the good relationships you had with teachers who liked you, and it amplified the bad relationships you had with teachers who did not like you. Agreed. So it was fun for me, though, socially at school, though, to go in and not be a part of the system. Mm-hmm.

I just got to kind of float around that day and be friends with everybody. Like I didn't fit anywhere in a clique or have to be a part of a group. I could just, yeah, I just kind of floated on top and got to see everybody and kind of

kind of go right you were like a tourist of the school yeah i just i just kind of once once or twice a month i just appeared for a day and you know you never knew when i was going to be around you're still equally as elusive that's good good i still got it i think this is a perfect place for us to wrap up this episode and we're so excited to share so many more little tidbits and

memories and also answer some very fun fan questions. Probably fun. So join us next episode on Catching Up with the Camdams. We out!

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