7-10-24 McElroy & Cubelic in the Morning Hour 1: Future of the Big 12; Mike Gundy's viral comments; Pac-12 keeping status quo;
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Kelly Ford is with us in segment number two. A little bit of an analytical look at this college football season. Most watchable games coming up this season. And there's one omission that I feel like we need to have a discussion about. Scott Wright covers Oklahoma State. He's with us at nine this morning. But Big 12 media days yesterday. You guys know what other media days start today?

Anyone? Mountain West. Mountain West does start today. Hey, that's literally a guess. There's one other one. Pac-12? Pac-12, media day, media hour, media segment. Oh, my gosh. Are they going together because they're the same league? I don't even know if they travel. This could just be a Zoom media. Press conference, I guess. It used to be in Vegas. Where is it at now? I haven't seen the tape on. Reno. Reno.

Where that's going to be, how that's going to be, how it's going to go. Why are you giving such a hard time to Pac-12? I'm saying that they're media days. Why is it still called Pac-12? Although it's probably day. I assume it's singular, not plural. It is just the 10th. I don't feel like they would need to stretch that two days. The previous actual Pac-12 did it in one day. That would be pretty funny if they said we're going to stretch it to two days. Like one full day dedicated to Washington State, one full day dedicated to...

Just the whole day. You get every player on the team. You get it all. Have you looked at either one of these two school schedules yet? I have. Is there a reason I should pay more attention to it? No, it's just interesting. I mean, like, Washington State goes to Fresno, to Boise. Like, two of our favorite teams. They kind of have to to survive, apparently. At San Diego State, they're at Oregon State for the Pac-12 title. I mean, we got action. What? What?

Does that wrap it up? Is that it? If they get that one? Yeah, because I don't think they're doing a round robin home and home. And doing it on aggregate. Should, but missed opportunity. But no. They do have Texas Tech, too. Oregon State's schedule is a little bit more interesting. But either way, I mean, they're not bad. I mean, the schedules aren't bad. But they're very G5-y. I mean...

I don't really know how else to describe it. I mean, it feels like a G5 schedule in Washington State. So it could be two Power 5 wins for the Broncos en route to a possible playoff berth. Just saying. Things to be mindful of. If you recall yesterday, we gave you a tweet from BJ Raines who covers Boise State. You guys remember the Boise State kicker that's going to try to kick a ball over the pool at Circa, right?

You guys know him? The one who's eight field goals away from the all-time record? That loser, yeah. What's his name? Whoa. What? No one said no. Jonah Dalmas is his name. I have more news from Mountain West Media Day. It hasn't even started. Greg? Did he make it? I have no idea. I don't believe he's attempted it yet. But I do know that Boise State is sending running back Ashton Jeanty. Jeanty. You like him? Love him. Well, you know who doesn't love him?

Other teams. Circa in Las Vegas. Wow. Well, because you have to be 21 to get in. Yeah, that's kind of a... And he's not. So he can't go to media days. He will be doing his interviews next door at the Golden Gate Casino. How hard is it to find a fake ID at this point? Well, I don't know if the conference would be one that would look into that for you. Yeah, finding it is one thing. Or help Circa invent that. You can find one. But... Does it scan? No.

He is not going to be able to attend actual Mountain West Media Days because he's not old enough to get into the venue in which it will be held. So he'll have to go next door. I'm going to be honest. I don't know much about the Golden Gate Casino. I haven't been to Vegas in a while, but... Here we go. Cole turning up his nose at the Golden Gate Casino. I've just never heard of it. If you hate the Golden Gate Casino, then go ahead and just say it.

I have no idea what the Golden Gate Casino is. Is it nice? It's the knockoff of the Golden Nugget. Has to be. Gate sounds like an upgrade from a nugget, though. Yeah. I don't know. Do they have a scaled-down version of the Golden Gate Bridge there? Kind of have to, don't you? I would imagine. I don't know what the Golden Gate Casino is. It would be a loss if they didn't. I mean, it really would, would it not? I mean, it would be just a straight-up L. While you're searching that, do you know what Pac-12 Media Day is actually called?

Pac-12 get-together? No, no, there's an actual freeze. Pac-12 and chill? It's got a sponsor. Later today will be, and I quote, Wait! The Wendy's Double Decker Media Day. Not as good as this. Wait! The Double Down Derby Media Day. Ooh, we hate Houston. After hours with the Bees and Cougs presented by the Pac-12. I expletive you not.

I'll hear it. With the bees and coots presented by the Pac-12. Is that a new podcast that somebody, Pac-12 fan, is starting? No, no, no. It is the official media moment of the Pac-12. Cocktails and welcome begin at 5.30 p.m. Pacific time. The program begins at 6.15 Pacific time today. Sounds like a Garner Minshew, Jacquez Rogers podcast that's going to air on the Pac-12 network on Wednesday nights. It's at the Bellagio.

Nice. Ooh, nice place. Nice. The Monet one bar. Everyone's a hater until they get to the Bellagio. I'm going to be real. I'm looking at the rooms at the Golden Gate right now. This looks nice. Oh. You can have it. You shouldn't turn your nose up at it. Oh, I didn't turn my nose up at it. I just said I had never heard of it. Okay. They have dancing dealers. Just what I need. Wait. Like now or like in the 60s? Because there may be a slight difference. Just what I was always wanting was my dealer after she takes my money to do a little dance.

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This would be a place that, one, not a huge fan of downtown. So this is, did they redo this? They must have. Yeah, not big on downtown. So probably going to err on the side of caution. Big on the new school. I live on the strip. Yeah. I'm about that strip life. Wow. Part of the Fremont Street experience, it is the oldest yet smallest hotel on the Fremont Street experience.

Who knew? Did you say that it was part of the Fremont Street experience? This is essentially the Southern League a couple years ago marketing Joe Davis Stadium as the oldest stadium in the Southern League. Maybe, yeah. Knowing it was fully run down and almost barely hanging on by a thread to meet the fire code, we're going to market it yet still. Hey, if you can market it, market it. Come on down to the oldest casino in Fremont.

I have no idea what that accent was, but I was trying to go with something different. It does sound a little Western. I feel like you need a mustache. How do people in Vegas talk? I don't know. What's the Vegas impersonation? Come on down to Fremont Street here. That could work. I can't even pretend to tell you I know. The 1930s Yankees radio voice. Because that's what the Golden Gate Hotel and Casino looks like. It looks like a municipal building that someone put Golden Gate Casino on the front.

I do think that the... I don't know. Looking at this, I do think this does look like a pretty good setup. I mean, here's the thing about the Pac-12. One, it's become a punchline. It's not fair, but it's the reality. But they're doing the best with what they got. I mean, there's really no winning here. You know what I mean? They could have...

It done at the Taj Mahal in the front lawn and they could, you know, set up a stage on the gigantic pool that's in front of the Taj Mahal and people are going to make fun of it. I'm not saying that it's not warranted, but it's a pretty impossible situation to spin when looking at what's going on with Oregon State and with Washington State. No, like how do we like what would y'all do in order to save face around media daytime? There's no way you're not a walking joke here.

There's nothing you can do. 100%. There's literally nothing you can do. Not one thing that can be done. Even if you try to do this in the most stand-up fashion with no strings attached, no ruse, just, hey, we're going to be in Seattle at...

whatever center to do a press conference a couple hours each team. They're bringing a couple players. Coach is going to be like, we're going to try to do this the right way so you can have your access. We're not trying to make it a huge deal because we know we only have two teams. This is really weird. You're still going to be a punching bag for Jill. Still. You just are. It doesn't matter. You could have the best setup ever. You could have the best hospitality ever.

In the world for the media members that are there, and it still will be a very small number of media members. It's just an impossible. I'll give them credit for going to Vegas, because if you're going to be a joke no matter what, don't do a lame kind of something. At least make it look normal. Well, also, you go piggyback on the Big 12 media days in which maybe a couple people will come over today and –

Hey, listen, if you're a member of the media, this is intriguing. We've never had a two-team conference before. Yeah, I mean, that's the silver lining. I mean, there are questions that need to be asked. How is this going to work in the future? What are the plans? Like Greg said, the schedule, it's odd. And with Mountain West around the corner, maybe there are some folks there, too. Knock them out. One bird out with three stones. Three birds out with one stone. At least the conferences did come together and help make your trip to Vegas worthwhile. That's true. You have three...

Conference media days today, Mountain West today and tomorrow, Pac-12 today, Big 12 yesterday, today. That is all entirely and completely accurate. Here's the other thing that I think is really interesting. Media days has yet to become the dog and pony show that it is for the SEC and the Big Ten. The Big Ten, even though there's 18 teams in the Big Ten, are squeezing it into three days.

This is like the one thing that the SEC and the Big Ten just aren't arguing and or trying to fight about. I know that they're collaboratively working behind the scenes in order to form a better future for college football. I get that. But is it not surprising when looking at the media day schedules for all these different schools, all these different leagues, that the Big Ten is only doing three days?

With 18 teams? That is a little odd. Right? Yep. The SEC is rolling out the red carpet. 16 teams, four days full, 12-hour coverage. 12-hour coverage from sunup to sundown on SEC Network and on ESPN. And you have the Big Ten, which is doing theirs in Chicago, but they didn't even try to

to go after the SEC. Like if I were the big 10, I would put it head to head right against the SEC. We're going toe to toe. And guess what? Mine's five days. That's what I would do. Actually, it's in a Lucas oil stadium, Indianapolis, Indianapolis. Yeah. Less so. So instead of having a glitz, like there is, but glitz and glamor of Chicago releases, a whole bunch of stuff to do. You're just in the end, just in the stadium. Well, based on last week in Chicago, I think Indianapolis is probably a better choice. Maybe. Yeah. So, uh,

And maybe you just go primetime, Greg, if you're with Big Ten. Because then you kind of counter the SEC having most of the day in the morning, and then you're right there at night. You have the power of Fox behind you. Not to say you impreempt your normal nightly programming, but you've got Big Ten Network and FS1 at your disposal. FS what? One, I assume. If it's out there still. Oh, my God. I haven't flipped over to it in a while. All right. There goes Cole's Leverage.

I'm good. I'm good. All right. A lot more to get to. We will hear from my Gundy what he had to say at Big 12 media days coming up a little bit later this hour. When we come back, Kelly Ford going to join us. Some sort of statistical analytical look at this upcoming season and who he believes are the most watchable games.

this year in college football. We'll start that discussion right after this on Mac and Cube in the morning. Catch up with all things McElroy and Kublik in the morning by subscribing to the podcast. Mythically, he's grown. He's almost like a little bit bigger than a player, right? Like the myth of Bo Jackson. Like, rate, and download the show from the Jock Gap or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back in. McElroy and Kublik in the morning, Wednesday, July 10th, 717 a.m.

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Brett, your mark. I had a couple things to say yesterday, GMAC, that I thought were a little bit interesting. And the confidence that he sort of displayed in his new conference, which, listen, he should. This is a league that we all thought was going to fold. What, two years ago? We thought this thing was done.

He bet on himself. The Pac-12 or the Big 12 bet on him. He was able to go out and essentially beat the Pac-12. Now, he had some assistance from the Big 10 pulling a couple teams out that helped him stay afloat. And now it looks like he's continuing to sort of barrel down this road of finding different ways to be relevant and be successful.

But you have to give him a lot of credit for kind of where the Big 12 is right now. Well, I think he thinks of things through a little bit different lens. He understands their place. I think he's been proactive, and that's been really helpful. I mean, I look at other leagues and how they've been handled throughout this chaotic few-year period, and I don't think anyone's handled it better than the Big 12. Yeah.

The Pac-12 is obviously a disaster. The ACC might be too little too late with the additions they've made this last go-round. So looking at the Big 12, I mean, they went out, they added the best G5 programs they could add in BYU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati. I think they've done a great job, a really, really good job. I think Jormark thinks of it differently. He says, look, if we try to do and play the game that the big boys are playing, we're dead. We can't go head-to-head on brand power

alongside the SEC and the Big Ten. That ain't going to happen. So we've got to do things a little differently. And that's why I want to commend him for how he's handled this situation because I look at the G5 in particular and the FCS, they are going to get squashed because they're just thinking, hey, we'll just keep with the status quo. Nope, they're going to be dead if they don't adapt and adjust to the changing landscape. And I think, Brett, your mark is...

really good at seeing where things are going and anticipating the moves that need to be made on behalf of his leagues. It's pretty cool to see how he's revitalized a lot of things and rebuilt a lot of portions of it. He discussed the expectations for the Big 12 yesterday at Big 12 Media Days.

Got 16 great coaches. We've got a lot of star power. You know, when you think about the quarterbacks, you think about the running backs. Many of our programs had been building over the last couple of years. So I think it's only natural and appropriate for us to think that way right now.

We were a very deep conference last year, but we got deeper now with the four corner schools. So I'm expecting great things from our schools this year. I think last year we underperformed a little bit. Candidly, I don't expect that to be the case this year. Every week will matter. And as I said earlier, November, we will brand the month as a race to a championship because I think it's going to be really tight this year. And it will take until towards the end of the season for us to determine who will show up at AT&T Stadium for that championship game.

So he's confident in what his teams are going to look like, what his teams are going to be playing for. And speaking of that confidence, Brett, your mark still just on how good he thinks his league is right now. We're one of the three best conferences in America and we're getting better. Think about where we were just 24 months ago and think about where we are today. So I will not stop until we're the number one conference in America. That's my ambition.

I shouldn't have anything but that. And that's what I you know, that's that's the ambition of our conference. It's the ambition of our presidents and ADs. Why would we be doing what we're doing if we don't aspire to be number one? But we continue to get better. And I like I like where we're going. Do you agree with him that they can be number one?

Not necessarily that. I don't think any of us are going to truly believe that or think that. But when you're thinking about where their place is right now and that they're continuing to get better? If I had to bet on one or the other right now, the Big 12 or the ACC, I'm taking the Big 12. That has nothing to do with the member institutions because I don't know who's going to be in the ACC in a couple years. And there are teams in the ACC that are actively looking for a way out. At least I know for certain, right, wrong, or indifferent.

I know for certain that the Big 12 schools are not actively pursuing other opportunities and are not taking the league to court about their grant of rights. Do you believe some of the rumors floating around yesterday that the Big 10 has kind of decided no on current ACC members? Completely. And the SEC is like, we don't really have room, so we're going to kind of... I do think the big portion of all this, Greg, and you kind of hinted to it yesterday that...

Realignment may not be done even before this upcoming season, at least an announcement of which. But the thing around all of that that I just – I kind of hear people refusing to discuss is if you go add more teams, that's more of a split in your revenue. And everyone is coming in for more money. But you're all of a sudden going to chop up the money that's going to everybody else if they were to go and do that without having a new deal in place before it happens. So –

I just feel like that's one part that's never really explored that a lot of people don't really talk about, but it's also real. I mean, you go add two, four more teams, you're not immediately going to have extra revenue coming in. That's going to be potentially a split in that revenue. Those other schools aren't going to like that. I mean, Texas, Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, they're not going to be happy if two more teams come in and they say, well, that's coming out of your chunk.

No, that's not what we agreed upon. It's not what we wanted. Same thing for the Big Ten. You think Penn State and Iowa are going to be cool if they go add four more teams and say, well, just so you know, at $72 million you thought you were going to get the next few years. We're actually going to have to chop that up, and that's going to go to them. So it's going to go down a certain amount. Nobody's going to want that. No. No matter who the teams are. If I were the Big 12, I'd be going hard after Florida State and Clemson and all these other schools.

I've seen some people say that there's a way the Big 12 could make it work to where they could give those schools more money than they're getting now. Not Big Ten or SEC money, but potentially more than they're getting right now. That is fascinating to even think about. I think that's accurate. Think about it. That's wild. Well, they're stuck. They can't. There's no upside. The thing is ESPN is not going to let it happen. I mean, ESPN has Florida State, Miami, all these other schools for a song. I mean, they like.

The ACC signed the worst deal ever. In college athletics, signing a 12-year deal or however long it is, like a 15-year deal, I don't recall exactly how long it was, but they had to sell their soul essentially to get the ACC network launched. And it hasn't worked out very well with the long-term tie-up and where rights have gone in the last couple of years.

At the time, it was security. It was solid. You now have a linear platform to support your sports, and it'll be valuable, and it'll be a cash cow for the league. All those things were true at the time. It's just now sports rights have gone up exponentially, and they're kind of stuck holding the bag. So I really don't know about what's going to happen with realignment.

You want my opinion? I don't think there's any chance the SEC adds any of those four teams. I just don't see it. I think Florida would absolutely throw a complete fit if you even discussed the possibility of adding Miami and or Florida State. And Florida is a great school, and the Big Ten would be all over Florida. So I don't see that happening. As far as Clemson, there's a redundancy in a –

In a state of about 5 million people. They already have South Carolina. So I just don't see it. I think if the SEC were to ever expand, we're talking North Carolina or Virginia. I'm not talking about the schools. I'm talking about the states. So I think that's the only place they go. And I could definitely be wrong there. I don't have any inside information. I would be shocked if they added redundancies to states that they already dominate.

It's going to be intriguing to see kind of how it goes, how it happens, who is added, why, when, because it's not over. But the fact that the Big 12 now might have some advantages that we never thought that they actually had is just – it's insane to think about. Speaking of Big 12 media days, Mike Gundy made a lot of noise yesterday.

at Big 12 Media Days with some of the things that he said. We'll let you hear those on the other side. We'll discuss those. You can tweet into the show at Mac and Cube. You can always listen online, joxfm.com. The app is in your App Store, iPhone, Android. Download that, listen on the go. You can text into the show, 205-834-9450. At Alabama, heat and humidity can be brutal. Don't let it affect your home and family. Keep them comfortable with an affordable train cooling system.

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Eldridge Blake Sports and Fitness Center. That was a mouthful. I'll say that. Good luck with the playback. Welcome back to the St. Thomas at the University of Virgin Islands Eldridge Blake Sports and Fitness Center, folks. We are here for UAB in Longwood. That's a pretty sweet place to go play. I've always been jealous of basketball players that they get to go to these Maui Invitationals in Longwood, Hawaii, 5-0, 5-0.

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That took a lot of turns. I don't know what was more compelling right there. Mahama Beach Jam. Cole's sentence right there or the building that they're playing in. The Hawaii 5-0 Longwood Beach Jams. Exactly. College basketball preseason is basically that Beach Boys song. All those places. Yeah. They just go play there and have fun. That one. Yeah. I do think that college basketball...

would be super fun um heck they plan on an aircraft carrier yeah that feels dicey i'd be in outside of the humidity where you couldn't stay on your feet well cole would struggle because we'd dive in after loose balls and they'd have to go off the edge man overboard like when they put the rope out for them to the hook to grab onto when they land they'd have to put that down for cole like on the edges so he'd have to grab onto it as he's going overboard um but i do think that

Having those trips, they used to do them once every four years. There was a mandate. Once every four years, you could do an international trip. Now I feel like they're doing it every year. And they fly private. That's huge. You're flying private to St. Thomas? That doesn't stink. We flew private to Columbia, South Carolina. Slight difference? Yeah, and to Fayetteville. Great places. Awesome places, but no disrespect to Fayetteville and Como and

Auburn and all the other great places. No, it's not Venice, Italy, where they're playing Kentucky's Gone. I'm so jealous of these trips. Have you thought about, though, also, because you said something that caught our attention on Monday, we're heading into our longest college football season ever. Yeah. Have I thought about it? Are you kidding? Have you thought about where we're going to be? Because how many people are programmed to...

to turn the page to college hoops when college football ends. We're going to be a quarter of the way, if not further, into conference play when the college football season ends this year. Pretty much, right. Well, when the college football season ends for two teams. I think that's the saving grace. Okay, but let's take the end of December. I hear you. Usually people would, I don't want to say dial out, but kind of...

make some kind of switch in december because you know okay we've got a month until the playoff or something else we just had conference championship we have a little time to breathe and relax not now you got a week off you're going from conference championship games yeah to playoff games and also other bowl games back-to-back weekends of massive amounts of playoff games it's not great for college hoops no it's terrible for college basketball um

I've always proposed, and I know they would never change it. I think it'd be amazing if college basketball started...

started on January 1st. Like that's when the season started. Uh, then you have May madness as opposed to March madness. Now they would never do it. Um, but it'd be amazing because I think more of the season would be consumed. I think it gets lost in the shuffle throughout the fall. And while basketball coaches have come on this program mad at that notion that people don't tune in in time for things to really get underway, it's the reality. It's,

And if you look at the numbers, they reflect that. I mean, the numbers last year on Duke, North Carolina, that's the unofficial from a television perspective. That's the unofficial like start of crazy, hectic basketball coverage. The numbers, that's when it ramps up. And I just think if we were to start conference play at that point, like I can live with the non-conference. I think the holiday tournaments are fun.

Uh, there are a lot of fun and they're good matchups and you can learn a lot about teams and where your kind of place is, but it'd be incredible if conference play started at the end of college football season. Uh,

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at Big 12 Media Days. Made a lot of noise just taking running back Ollie Gordon after he was arrested on suspicion of a DUI a couple of weeks ago. Gundy explained, first and foremost, just why he didn't suspend his star running back. So I looked it up on my phone. What would be the legal limit? Like, in Oklahoma, it's .08.

And Ollie was .1 based on body weight, not to get into the legal side of it, but I thought really two or three beers or four. I'm not justifying what Ollie did. I'm telling you what decision I made. Well, I thought I've probably done that a thousand times in my life. And, you know, it's just fine. So I got lucky. People get lucky. Ollie made a decision that he wished he could have done better.

But when I talked to Holly, I told him, I said, you're lucky you got out light because you make a lot of money to play football. So back in the day, being able to cover the cost of what he's going to go through would be difficult for a college player. It's not for him. Now, I'm not speaking for him, but I'm just saying that's not an issue for him. So nobody got hurt. I said, we see people doing this and people losing their lives across the country, not just football players, but everybody. So you got out lucky.

There are a lot of different ways to go with this, and there is no excuse for it. There is no way to spin it into any positive manner. It's completely uncalled for, especially with services that we have available nowadays. Yeah.

There are portions of this, Greg, that I respect about the honesty and Mike Gundy being up front, which is what his thought process was. And I understand why some people don't like that. I understand how it came across in a way that probably could have been should have been phrased in a much better manner. Yeah.

But there are also aspects of this in which I respect Mike Gundy for saying he's got to face the music. We're not going to shield him from some of these questions. And if he's going to be our star running back, play for our team, this is what you're going to have to deal with. You're going to have to face that noise yourself. I think there are a lot of life lessons in that. And there's a lot of assistance that can help him through the rest of his life with that. Because I can tell you personally, from experience, this does not go away.

This is not going to be forgotten. This is not something that people are never going to bring up anymore. And he's got to deal with that the rest of his life. And it ain't easy. And I can also speak from experience there. It's not fun. It's challenging. And 10, 12 years later, it's still hard as hell when people bring it up.

So I understand Gundy's phrasing wasn't exactly what a lot of people wanted, Greg. But I do think that that was him just attempting to be honest with what his thought process was with how he handled the situation. Well, I also appreciate, hey, a lot of coaches in the past as it relates to media days specifically said,

A lot of coaches at the best said, no, media days is a privilege, and you have lost the right to come to media days by making a bad decision. No, what you're doing is you're protecting that young man from the dumb decision he made the weekend before and or the month before or two months before or what have you. You face the music. These guys are treated like professionals now. You face the music. When you have a bad game, you have to go and do media.

When your team loses, you have to go and do media. You have that responsibility. They're no longer there to be shielded from the criticism that the professional players receive because these guys want to make money like pros. They got to act like pros. So I think I appreciate a lot about what

was done yesterday, not as much about some of the things he said. I thought there were some things that were a little bit off-putting, but I do appreciate the fact that he made his star running back go and answer the difficult questions and address it head-on. He would go on to explain, Ollie, being there at media day and the potential punishments and what they finally did choose for his punishment.

We're in a time where you guys are essentially employees. You guys make lots of money to play this game. It's different than it was five years ago. And your punishment is going to be facing the facts. That's why we brought him here today. I said, you're not going into hiding. You're going to face the music. You're going to have to stand up and talk to people and answer questions. And hopefully, more than football, you can learn from the situation you've been in. Because if not, then we have a real issue here.

But he's going to play, and I'm going to do what I think, what we think is best for Oklahoma State football, and I think it's best for Ollie to play. If there's any punishment, it's make him carry the ball 50 times in the first game. He would go on to discuss how long it took him to get going last year, how he wasn't really a factor early in the season, and that was also part of that, and so...

Again, I understand that there are a lot of folks that Mike Gundy, just his personality is not going to be for them, not going to be one that they like or they gravitate to. But I do think you have to appreciate the transparency and the honesty because we don't get that from a lot of coaches. There would be so much coach speak around this with so many other guys. We're not here to talk about that. We're not going to let that be a distraction to our team. That's not a focal point for our team.

Gundy kind of seems to be taking it head on. He fully admits it's a mistake. He fully admits it was dumb. The transparency of himself saying that he had done that. And I know that's a bad look, and that's probably not something that somebody should say. But we get mad when these guys give us co-speak all the time and don't answer questions and run around questions.

And I do appreciate the honesty, although the phrasing probably could have been better. And he addressed it on Twitter last night saying, hey, what I was trying to say was this. But having the life lesson in taking someone and saying, we are going to place you in front of people who are going to ask you about this, and you're going to have to answer those questions. Once again, I can speak from experience here. It's not fun, and it's not something that's enjoyable, and it will never go away for him, unfortunately. But –

He's putting this player in a spot that I do think is going to assist him and help him for the rest of his life. That's my opinion on it. Well, that's encouraging. But at the same time, I think we also live in a world right now where people are like, you want, why is he not missing a game? Why is he, he should be suspended all the time. That's, I mean, I, that's, that's your opinion. We are kind of living in a world now where guys suspend themselves for bowl games.

Bowl games. Bowl games. Half seasons. Half seasons. North Carolina State's starting quarterback removed himself from the team with more than a third of the season to go last year. Like, guys suspend themselves for nothing because they don't want to play. And I'm not suggesting that's what's going on with Ollie Gordon. I don't know about that at all. I'm not making accusations. But the desperation...

And the penalty of, quote, missing a game is not what it once was. And I hope people understand what I'm saying when I say that. Like, okay, does he miss out potentially on a Heisman Trophy? Does he miss out potentially on the Doak Walker Award? No. If he misses a game, though, look at his numbers in the last ten games of the year and his numbers in the first three games of the year. He missed the first three games, basically. He had like 15 carries. Seven, nine, and three. Yeah. Yeah.

And he finished with 1,732 yards and 21 touchdowns. And he went seven carries, nine carries. He didn't have 20 carries until October 6th. Yeah. So that goes to show you. Like, guys, you tell Cole and I back in 2008 or 99 or 2000, whatever, you say you're missing a game. There is no greater punishment. Like, that is the worst thing that could ever happen to you.

Now it's like perfect. Less carries, less risk injuries. I don't think that penalty is as much as it used to be. If anything, do a fine or make a huge donation to Mothers Against Drunk Driving. That's how you penalize these guys. You hit them in the pocketbook just like you do the pros. Yeah.

We'll hear from Molly Gordon, Oklahoma State running back. On the other side, also from Big 12 Media Days next, right here on McElroy and Kubelik in the morning. Catch up with all things McElroy and Kubelik in the morning by subscribing to the podcast. Mythically, he's grown. He's almost like a little bit bigger than a player, right? Like the myth of Bo Jackson. Like, rate, and download the show from the Jock Tap or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back in. McElroy and Kubelik in the morning, 7.49 a.m., Wednesday, July 10th, right here on Jocks 94.5.

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continue to create customers for life. According to Matt Zenitz, UAB is expected to hire Lino Lupinetti as general manager and director of player personnel, previously director of player personnel at Virginia Tech and Michigan State. So it seems like that would be a good hire for Coach Dilfer if he can make it happen. Back to Big 12 Media Days, Oli Gordon discussing just being there at Media Days despite what had happened to him here in the last few weeks.

Yeah, you know, you really just got to watch the decisions you make, honestly. You know, one decision you can make could be the last one you make and it could be bad for you, or you could, you know, learn from your mistakes and prevent it from happening deeper into the future, you know? So, you know, I take it like that. And plus, I didn't want to leave my teammates and my coaches out here for them to answer all the questions when I could be able to do it. You know, that wouldn't be very, you know, responsible to me. I do respect that portion of his answer, maybe more than anything else.

And I do think that was one thing, Greg, that Gundy focused on is the distraction that other like I'm going to have to answer for this. Your teammates are going to have to answer for this. They're going to have to talk about this if you're not here. Right. And probably still will. Obviously, Gundy did. But trying to take a little bit of that off. I respect that. And in wanting to go face it yourself, I have some respect for that. There are a lot of people that will look at this and say, well, it's a reward to go and he shouldn't be able to. That's that. That is absolutely one way to look at it. And I'm not saying it's wrong.

But there are also different ways to look at this from the how are you going to learn, how are you going to move forward, how are you going to let this change who you are perspective that it sounds at least like Olly Gordon is allowing some of that to creep into how he'll handle things moving forward. No, I think that's good. Look, there's an accountability factor here.

Like you broke the law. There's an accountability factor there. This will have an impact on everything in his life moving forward. His, his draft prospects, this will be brought up throughout his pre-draft experience. Owners will ask him about it. Probably not just costing money right now in lawyer fees and what have you, but it's also going to cost you things down the road. So,

That's not great either. It's just such a different world nowadays, isn't it? I mean, more than anything else, it's just such a different world with how guys are penalized and how they're protected versus now, hey, you just kind of got to take it in stride. There's no protection. You just got to go and do it. We have really changed in the last few years with how we handle things like this.

No, I'm with you. And it's just going to be interesting to see sort of where all the fallout goes from this. But there are a lot of people angry yesterday. There were some people that kind of saw this from a little bit of a different perspective. We haven't seen many situations like this be handled this way. So from Oklahoma State's perspective, I do feel like that this will end up allowing them to move forward much more quickly and

and allow it to be less of a distraction to their football team. Not that that's the most important part. Olly Gordon facing the facts and obviously his punishment and then how he handles himself moving forward, probably the most important aspect here.

and how things will turn and what things are going to be. So that was sort of a big portion of media days yesterday. I mean, that thing took off, and that was all anybody wanted to talk about. There was some other commentary that showed up. We'll get to that for you. Let you hear from Kenny Dillingham, Joey McGuire. We heard from Brett Yormark, the Big 12 commissioner, a little bit earlier. But as you have stated before, GMAC, this is going to be a deep league. This is going to be an entertaining league.

and this is going to be one that I feel like if folks would give it a chance and don't pay attention to it, there's going to be some good football. It's going to be really good football. It is, but the problem is the best team might be ranked 18th. You know what I mean? I think there's going to be a lot of carnage. Everybody just assuming, hey, in comes Utah. They're just going to go and wipe the floor.

With the rest of the league, they've almost been to the playoff a couple times. No one really, outside of TCU's experience a couple years ago, that could say that in the Big 12 right now. Arizona's got everybody back. I think Arizona's going to struggle a bit.

relatively speaking, but they still have a chance to be pretty good. Kansas State, they got their new quarterback. They replaced four on the offensive line. I mean, that's not like having to replace four guys up front when you're Kansas State. We're not talking about Georgia here. We're talking about Kansas State. Having to replace that many guys up front is not easy. Kansas got lightning. They can run. I mean, this is an athletic football team that looks like the Big 12 of old, but they were a little bit better defensively.

defensively than they'd been in the last couple of years. But they lost their offensive coordinator, who was real creative and did a good job bringing in a guy that I have a ton of respect for. But either way, man, if you just kind of look at everything, shoot, Big 12 to me might be the most compelling race because there's only probably going to be one team that gets in, so you better win the conference or else you're not getting in.

Speaking of quarterbacks, yesterday, Big 12 Media Days, Utah quarterback Cam Rising, eligible to return for an eighth season of football next year, Greg. He coming back. He was asked if he'll be back for 2025. Quote, that's not the plan. Seven years is more than enough.

Okay, then. Who knew? I got a Benjamin says he comes back. Also, Mike Gundy tweeted out 14 hours ago, my intended point today at Big 12 Media Days was that we are all guilty of making bad decisions. It was not a reference to something specific. So we discussed the respect that we have for Ali Gordon and how he handled certain situations. There's another player in another conference that garnered a lot of respect yesterday for something he did.

We'll talk about some other conference media days and a couple other things around college football next. This is McElroy and Gubelik in the morning.

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