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2021/8/25
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Jess: 本期节目讨论了同性恋,特别是同性恋男性在社会中面临的双重标准和挑战。她认为同性恋男性比同性恋女性更难被社会接受,并且面临更大的压力和歧视。她还谈到了公开出柜可能带来的负面影响,例如失去客户和遭受网络暴力。 Prince: 他同意Jess的观点,并补充说,男性一旦发生同性性行为,就会被贴上“同性恋”的标签,而女性则没有同样的压力。他分享了自己曾经尝试同性恋关系的经历,并解释说这并不代表他永久的性取向。他还谈到了富有的同性恋男性和普通同性恋男性在社会接受度上的差异,以及社会对同性恋的刻板印象。他认为,公开出柜对普通同性恋男性来说风险更大,而富有的同性恋男性则拥有更大的平台和资源来应对社会压力。 Prince: 他还谈到了自己避免与一群同性恋男性交往的原因,因为他对这种群体中普遍存在的负面刻板印象感到担忧。他认为,在公共场合的亲密行为,无论异性恋还是同性恋,都是不合适的。他也不赞成将同性恋元素过早地灌输给儿童,认为这是一种不必要的强加。

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Jess and Prince discuss the double standards of sexuality, particularly focusing on whether having one relationship with the same sex defines someone as gay.

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And just like that, we back on the air. Welcome back to another episode of Catholique Reckless. I got my twin back. Say hey, Prince. What's up? What's up? What's up? Now listen, we played a lot and we had a lot of random shit that we talked about. I'm gonna be honest, we just ain't know what the fuck to talk about last week. And yeah, you know, y'all been with me up until this point. So sometimes y'all can take a little fumble episode, ain't nothing. But we are very serious this week. I want to touch on...

something that I feel like I can't touch on alone you know what I'm saying I can't touch on it by myself okay you know what I mean because I am not in the community and then I have been canceled by the community and listen I know what y'all thinking she keep on talking about gays that's why I went with like a nail but like no I'm gonna really get into something that I really have a problem with you know what I mean not against y'all I stand with y'all on this so um and I want to bring my brother in because he is gay

It just seems crazy to say like that. Because he is gay. Let me just say it better. Because he's gay. That's better. I like that. Okay, he's gay. So yeah. Gay, gay, gay. Say it now. I'm playing. I'm playing. I'm playing.

We just told them we were going to be serious. I know we are serious. We're going to be serious. Okay. So this was a part of a conversation that we were having, Prince and I. It's harder for gay males than it is for gay women.

And I do sincerely agree with that. I always, I mean, I've always felt that way anyway, that it's, it's easier for a woman to be accepted, you know, when she's gay versus a man, you know, that comes from, that hits from different aspects. It could be your family. It can be, you know, friends. It can be, you know, church family. It can be your platform. If you have one, you know, if you don't, it can be your neighborhood, whoever, how would you translate it? How, what would you add to it? Prince? Uh,

I mean, I stand with you. You know how you said it. Women can, in fact, choose when wisdom men can't. You know, it's like once you cross that line and that boundary, you just gay. That's it.

Like there is no, "Oh, I was just doing this shit for fun. "Or I was just doing this shit 'cause I was mad at my bitch." Like what? You let a nigga suck your dick 'cause you was mad at your bitch? Like this is something you've thought about. This has been something that's in your mind like, "I just need one more little thing "that's gonna send me over the edge, "that's gonna make me go see what this nigga throw about." Like hold up, what?

You know what? That, yeah. That is crazy as a motherfucker. Because, and I get it because a woman can do that. Yeah, a woman can be like, I'm going to let this bitch eat my pussy. Ooh, it's okay. And men is going to like to see that. Yeah. Ain't no woman excited to see two men fuck. Yeah. Or, there are some, but I know it's very rare though. The ratio is different. It's more men that enjoy watching two women than there would be women watching two men. Two men, yeah. No, for sure. Because listen, I can even put myself in it like...

No, I don't want to see two men. Wait, this is going left. Serious, guys. Serious, serious. No, at a young age, and I've touched on this during the Catholic Reckless episode before, I messed with a female, you know what I mean, when I was like 21. You know, this is right after I had Ash, and I just had enough of his dad, and I had enough of niggas, and I was like, you know what, fuck it. I'm going to see what's up. And I was always attracted to this girl. She looked just like young Lil Wayne, so I was like, shit.

But I've only ever been attracted to that one woman in my whole life. And I tried it. And we had sex and shit. And then after that, I felt like I didn't know what I was doing. I was kind of weird. I didn't know what to do. I felt like we was going to be like thrusting our like navels together. It was just like. Not the scissor move. It was the scissor, scissor, scissor. You know what I'm saying? I was like, all right, bam, pow, pow. You know what I mean? And I just realized that I just couldn't do it. Then I was scared of the dildo.

I was so scared of it because it was like, I hate pap smiths. I hate anything going up there. That's why I don't like for a nigga to finger me. Like, yeah, let me play with your pussy. Uh, with your tongue. Like I, I don't want you to be up there with your two fingers. Just imagine your two fingers just going up there. And she's like, did you find it? What the fuck?

you looking for? This is not enjoyable to me. You know what I'm saying? It feels like I'm at the doctors, you know, so I never, I didn't, only thing that I will allow inside of me, you know, is a penis. That's just what it is. But I was still so fucking attracted to her.

And, you know, to this day, like I said, it's never been anybody else. So that made me question like, damn, maybe I wasn't gay. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe that was just a phase or maybe I was just so curious where I thought that, you know, because you never really know. Yeah, that's see that. Then that goes into like the different acronyms, like based on what you described, it

It would be like an asexual. Y'all ain't having sex, but you attracted to their personality. Yeah. You know, so I think that will fall under that acronym of asexual, whatever you want to say. Whether it's a man or a woman? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's like you're not having sex, you're just attracted to personalities or however that go or whichever one of the acronyms, you know, that people have to make them feel comfortable with who they are. And then back to what we were saying to complete the thought, look,

after I had sex with her, I went to sleep, woke up, and then I was straight. You know what I'm saying? It was just like, no. Hold up. Had sex with her, went to sleep, woke up, nope, back to this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then I never wanted it after that. So...

in my mind and to me I'm not gay you know what I mean and do I say I was gay or did I try it you know what I'm saying if you try it once does that make you gay forever as a male yes see that's what I'm saying for a woman you can't explain a story like that as a man to a woman and they be like you know I was growing up man and

My baby mother got on my fucking nerves. And man, my homeboy down the street looked like fucking Drake, you know? And I was like, you know, young Drake, you know, Degrassi Drake, like, you know? And, and you know what I mean? We just, we just sucked each other dick. But now I went to sleep and woke up and was like, this ain't it. Yeah. Back to eating pussy. Like, you know, yeah. Nah. It's just not like that. Niggas gonna look at him and straight up be like,

- You gay. - That's it. Where's the women gonna be like, "All right, bitch, fuck it, let's go, let's party." Like, bitch, what? Nah, let's party and everything, okay? And niggas gonna be intrigued. Like, the nigga gonna walk up to you and tell a nigga story. He gonna be like, "Oh, I don't hear what you saying, but I mean, you wouldn't try it again? What if it was a nigga in the mix and it was two of y'all?" Like, he gonna try to finesse some shit because niggas like to see two bitches together. - Right, right. - You know what I mean? The average nigga. There is some niggas, 'cause I have a homeboy who doesn't like that woman on woman action.

And he gets very defensive when his wife will dance with a girl in a club. He don't play that shit. Yeah, there are some men that that's not. Every man does not think that shit is sexy. Yeah, he don't play that shit. He don't like that shit. And he stands on that. That's why I know that shit is not just to act. He stands and he don't like that shit. But the average man is going to enjoy shit like that. Yeah, yeah. That shit is what it is. But nah, as a man, nah.

Yeah. Let me ask you this. Even outside of, you know, like being accepted by people, how else do you feel like it affects like your everyday living? Like, like when you go out into the world, like even in industry or if you like, or if you try to get a job, do you feel like it affects gay males, their, their sexuality when trying to do anything in life? You know what I mean? As versus a woman. Absolutely. Absolutely. How? And, and see, this is, this is,

It's a double standard when it comes to rich gay male sex.

and regular gay male. There's a double standard. Rich gay male can do whatever he want. He can say whatever he want. He can act as gay as he want. He can do whatever he want and doesn't have to give a fuck about people because he's in a position to be okay. There's going to be a fan base that surrounds him because he's thinking outside of the box. He's doing things above and beyond. He's representing for the community, per se. Right.

Whereas though, someone from your average neighborhood has to be mindful. You know, they have to only act based upon what's appropriate to the limit of their neighborhood or what their neighborhood allow because they grew up there. You know, the shit that Lil Nas X is doing, there's no way the average male can do that in his neighborhood. You just can't. You know, you can't. You ain't walking around...

ass naked or making no even if you are like a local gay rapper you ain't making no you ain't making no no no ass naked music video and the numbers going off the chain you know what I mean like that's not that's not gonna happen like so it's only you feel like yeah if it's only if you rich with a platform or if you just have a platform you know what I'm saying because

Like a lot of people look up to Lorna's ex and Saucy Santana and, you know, her Bobby Lights. And, you know, they look up to them because that's who a lot of people wish that they can be just like that. You know, I want to be myself. But you know how many, you know how many, you know how many,

gay niggas in the hood want to do the shit that Santana do. Yeah. Like they want to go to the, to the straight clubs and twerk, but they better the fuck not. Yeah. You know, like get their bodies done. Yeah. They want to get BBLs. They better the fuck not. Like you, you just can't,

They wanna wear long hair with full beards. They better the fuck not. - I think he better the fuck not. I keep telling them that ain't cute. Shit, Carisha done told him 80 times, but I love me some Santana, but go with it. - Yeah, but you can't do that in the hood. They can do that. Their platforms are larger. They have people behind them

that's bigger than them that's supporting and pushing them. You know, it's like, it's different shit. It's different. It's a double standard. Like you can't do that shit in your hood. You know, it's like, you just can't. Like Lil Nas X, I think some of the shit that he's doing is because of his platform. If Old Town Road didn't blow up the way that it blew up,

I don't think that he never would have came out and said he was gay. I don't think he would have never, not even getting to where he is. I don't think that he would have never came out and say, Hey y'all, I am identifying as gay or however he worded it. Cause I don't want to, you know, that's not verbatim, but in a sense he basically said, Hey y'all,

I'm gay. - I'm gay, right. - And it was like-- - And now he's extremely comfortable with it now. - Yeah, and it was like, damn, this song is rocking. You got everybody, everybody singing Old Town Road. I mean, everybody, everybody, everybody. And then it was like, the numbers, what it was, he made some money, he did what he did, boom, boom, and that was like, boom, this is who I am, this is what I represent. You think these niggas stopped listening to Old Town Road because now this man's gay? Absolutely not.

You know, but then there's some people that be like, man, I ain't listening to that because he is getting this and that third. But it's more because he has a platform and he has the money. And because, you know, everybody wants, you know, whatever, whatever their reasoning is, it was acceptable because of where he was. He couldn't have done that on a regular scale. Like, you can't just, nah, that's not acceptable.

Nah, they were crucifying. Even performance wise, like speaking on his BET performance where he kissed the guy, tongued him down. It's niggas that's been gay in their neighborhood for years and the neighborhood knows and they dare not kiss a nigga in the neighborhood. Like, kiss a nigga in public, period. Like, you just not doing that. You just not doing that. But he can do it. Like, who gonna check him? Think about it. Like, honestly, who gonna check him?

Has it ever affected you in a sense where you felt like you couldn't do something or you got a harder time because of because I know I've been there since you came out. You know what I mean? And I've seen and even things that I don't see. I haven't seen much change for you, but you never I I didn't know that when I met you. You know what I mean? Right. That you were gay. Like I just.

I just didn't. I'm like, oh, that's a very fashion forward nigga. He fine. You know what I mean? Like he can dance. It never crossed my mind that you were gay until you told me. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh shit. Cool. I mean, I ain't want you or nothing. Oh shit. I ain't want you or nothing. I want you or nothing. Shit. I'm like, okay. What changed once you came out?

A lot. You know, a lot of things change, but a lot of things, because I'm an image person, I shielded and I masked it away from, you know, the world. Like, I lost a bunch of clients behind it. And he is a barber. Yeah, you know, I lost a bunch of clients, man. You know, I got...

a bunch of hate emails, you know, like a bunch of... You never told me that you lost clients. I know you did get a bunch of hate messages and shit, but I never knew you lost clients behind that shit. I lost a lot of clients. But it wasn't nothing that, you know, it didn't, it just was like, for me, it was more of like a freedom of a mind thing. Like... Yeah. Yeah.

It's whatever now, you know, like what's going to be, it's going to be how, which, what, how much worse can it get? Yeah. You know, it's like, okay, now who's no more speculation. I said it. Boing. Like, you know what I mean? Like don't have a boing. Like that definitely was like the wrong sound effect. That's giving penis. That's giving dick. Boing. Like, come on. Ah,

Told you. You gay, y'all. Say, say, gay. And this is my brother and we play like this all day. Fuck y'all. All day. But, you know, I lost a lot, you know. Yeah. Um,

And still lose a lot, you know? And I think that a lot of things that I put together, even in my, well, mainly in my city, you know, a lot of things that I may try to put together, orchestrate, I think that people don't actually fuck with me because of the fact. Because of your sexuality. You know? And it's just like, damn, like, if I never said nothing, niggas wouldn't have known.

But I never felt like I had to tell anybody because it's like, yo, if I'm not interested in you, that's just what the fuck it is. It don't fucking matter. You my homeboy, you can be my homeboy. I can be gay with straight homeboys. And listen, that's another thing about you I noticed in knowing you for years. You don't hang with gay people, gay men, you know what I'm saying? Absolutely not. You don't. And why? Well, and they're going to hate me for saying this, but I mean, it is what it is, you know? I don't like the stigma that...

or the perception of groups of gay people hanging together. Okay. You know, and let me explain. Generally, when you hear gay, you know, faggy or whatever, you know what I mean, was generally associated with them,

is thieves. They steal. They do fraud. They do this. They do that. Like it's never, oh, he has a business or, oh, he has, he does real estate or he's a doctor. It's always the negative about groups of gay people that hang together, you know? And I don't know, he's selling ass or he's selling dick. He don't like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. So,

I don't want to be a part of that. Like I'm a community supporter, but I'm not a community member. The things that go on in the community, I don't partake in those things. I got a real life.

No, I feel you. Real shit going on. And I don't have time for those general characteristics of that group of people to be associated with me because I don't move like that. Right. You know? And there's nothing against how you get your money. Get your money how the fuck you get your money. I don't want you to be like, oh, he's stereotyping us and blah, blah, blah. Well, he think he a uppity gay nigga. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I got common fucking sense. Mm-hmm.

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Oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. All of these designers that we wear. Gianni Versace. When the niggas in the hood got problem with gay niggas, but they wear them around their ass. But they not ready for conversations like that. All these high end luxury brands that you spend your last on to keep up. Absolutely. Cause you a real nigga. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, you, you got, you know, it's just, and I'd be like, damn, you don't like gay niggas, but you wearing all this designer shit. These niggas were for sure gay. Yeah.

and was out about it. Like, yes, I'm out here sucking dick. Mm-hmm.

That's just what it is. And y'all gonna wear my shit. Y'all gonna pay top dollar for it. Wow. But you won't even endorse a nigga. Hey, but you won't even endorse a nigga in your neighborhood who maybe don't even like you, but you just got a problem because you worried about what your other straight homeboys gonna say. And you don't wanna be friends with him because he gay. Why do you feel like straight men have such a problem or such a negative guard up when...

you know, it comes to even being around gays or being friends, not, not, not being around, but being friends, actually having gay homeboys. If you're straight, you, it's like a rule. You can't have a gay homeboy or some shit like that. Why don't they hang together? Why do you feel? It's simple twin. Like it's real simple. The problem is that gay people have their own narrative on the friendship between them and the heterosexual. And in a gay person's mind that if, you know, the average gay person, um,

If a straight guy is treating them like the homie or just, you know, like being nice to them or, you know, looking past the fact that, you know what I mean, that they gay or whatever, they automatically assume that now the heterosexual male is flirting with them, you know? And now it's like,

they doing the most right i mean like one of the same keep just doing this doing that the whole time the straight nigga is just comfortable with enough with his sexuality to be able to be friends with you'll communicate with you but you fuck it up by making it seem like something is what in fact isn't yeah and now you're trying to explain to the hood that you ain't fucking this nigga but he giving off the signs like a bitch that you really is fucking him yeah and there's one thing that is

It's hard for a straight nigga to get off of his name

is that he's gay. Once a gay person say that, it's like they act like all the shit that gay people do or people in general do, they act like gay people tell the truth when it comes to straight people. Yo, you had, like, it's people that has died behind that shit, like, all that type of shit, right? Absolutely. People get killed putting that type of rumor on. But a lot of the times, the shit be true. And it do be true. You know what I'm saying? Not all the time. Then it's also a variation that it's not.

not. You know, the people, honestly, everybody that I hang around, straight. Up and down, straight. And they don't have a problem with being around you, but you're not. Absolutely not, man. It's like I move carefully and respectably upon the people that I'm around. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, it's not that

I'm hiding who I am. It's just certain things aren't permissible in certain atmospheres. Certain people can't go certain places. I'm not going to invite my straight friends to a gay event, which I really don't go to. But, you know, I'm not going to invite my straight friends to a gay event. I'm not going to invite my gay friends to a straight event. Why? I don't have no gay friends. I was going to say, yeah. I don't have any, but I'm saying if I did, I wouldn't do that.

Because that's just like, you know, you got to learn how to entertain people appropriately. It's like you have friends, you know, just off subject, you have friends that when you hang with them friends, you don't hang with other friends because, you know, they just don't mix. You don't put oil and water together and then get an attitude because it's not working the way you want it to work. And that's just how my mindset. But even heterosexual, homosexuality, whatever, I don't believe in public affection. It doesn't matter. You know, when I was dealing with females, you know, it's like

I don't gotta do all this outside. We spend time together behind closed doors. I just think that it's unacceptable. I'm not gonna do the most that's just in public. I'm just not.

To nobody. Absolutely. What if you're doing something out in public and it's a kid around watching. You don't even know this kid is watching you. And now his parents have to explain to him the birds and the bees or the bees and the bees and the birds and the birds or whatever the case may be. And they're not even old enough to have this conversation yet. You just got to be conscious of what's around you at all times. And do you think that is why they are trying to interject gay in everything now? I think that is the stupidest shit in the world.

Okay, one time for the people in the back. I think that is the stupidest shit in the world. Okay, yeah. You are teaching these kids that, and I don't want to say that it's okay to be gay because so many people have, that's like a politic response. It's very political. It's like, oh, it is okay to be gay. I don't want to get into all that, but I think you're forcing the kids to,

to learn something that wasn't taught to us. Instead of just leaving them opening to finding out, you know, later on or whatever. And I just got into a debate about this with somebody in a barbershop. I was like, you know, I felt, she was like, I feel like the TV and this generation is forcing the kids to be, you know, interested in this because if they don't know about it, what's going to make them curious about it? And I get it.

You know? I get it. But my rebuttal to her was, you know, well, also I feel like it's not even just TV. I feel like it's social media. She's like, what you mean? I'm like, well, does your kid have Fortnite and all this? She's like, yeah. I'm like, you're not listening to what these people saying on Fortnite all the time. Oh my God. You're not listening. It's no age barrier on what the fuck, you know,

No, it'd be Ashton B playing grown men online. Listen, listen. Fortnite, grown women. And that's some dangerous shit. Yeah. There'd just be so much shit going on. And nowadays, these kids have, because of social media and other things related to it, these kids have an option to have a personality. We don't have no fucking personality as kids. So if you got a personality, now you become curious. Right. You know, we didn't do shit because our parents told us not to do that. Don't fuck with the same sex because that's wrong. Period. Yeah, yeah.

That's it. Now, if it was done, it was sneakily done. You know what I mean? It wasn't, it wasn't, niggas ain't even want to know if you was fucking with a nigga. You better not say that. And if your mother knew, she would tell you, you better not say that shit out loud and you better not embarrass me around the family and let them find out. So whatever you're going to do, you do it in private. And you see how everything has evolved from that. Like everything has evolved. And now everything has, it's like everything is inside out.

Like Batman and Robin. They just made Robin gay. Why? Robin is bisexual. Why? What the fuck is saving the world has to do with sex? Has to do with what? See, and this is the thing. Growing up as a kid and you watch this shit, you're not worried about who Robin fucking is.

You're worried about who he's saving. You're actually, we don't even see Robin enough for him to know he gay. Like, when the fuck did he tell us this? So what is he like kissing, kissing, kissing a boy in a movie or something? Like what the fuck? He's bi. They don't have him as gay, but they have him as bi. So you was ready to get up and hit something. He and he mad as a motherfucker about Robin. Cause I don't like it. It's like, I know it is very, it's, it's, it's like,

i don't i just don't like that man it's it's it's it's like a brainwash mechanism like yeah these things are an option like yeah you know this is the way this is the way it's supposed to be you know but these things are an option and then it's like here are some more options if you don't want to be straightforward and just say you gay now we have all these acronyms and half of the fucking alphabet like you know weird shit like just to make somebody feel like that

it's okay for what they doing. If you gay, you gay. Period. You straight, you straight. Period. You know what I mean? If you mix with, you know, both sex, cross-contamination. Period. Like, that's what the fuck it is. Cross-contamination. That's right. It's no ups and it's no downs. And I know, you know, the community is going to hate me for that.

You know what? Yeah. Matter of fact, I think they're going to hate me too. So no, I take back that second cross-contamination. You can do what you want. If you like pussy on Wednesday, you like dick on Thursday, do that. That is the nastiest shit in the world though. I just think that is nasty. Like you can't dip and dab. Yeah. Like that. That is crazy, man. Like you got to choose. I'm really feeling the cross-contamination. I love that. You got to choose, man. Like that's just, I think it's not fair.

to heterosexual relationships is not fair to homosexual relationships because if you divvying and dabbing, I guarantee you, your partners don't know. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and that's where I get the cross-contamination from. There's no way you're going to stick your dick in a man's ass and then later that night or tomorrow, you're going to fuck your wife with the same dick in her, like, nah. Nah. Shout out to the movie cover. Yeah.

Oh, did you see that? He said, you got something in your eye? You want me to blow it? Yo, yo. I wish the fuck a nigga would ask me that shit in a motherfucking movie. Not good game. Hey, yo, hold up. Sorry. Yo.

It means so much emphasis. Good gay movie. Hold up, yo. Yo, that's the... Y'all said you got something in your eye, you want me to blow it. First of all, sir, we are in the bathroom. If you don't back the fuck up out my face, right? I think you got something in your eye. You want me to blow it? That was like the pickup line to have gay sex with a male while they were in restaurants with their wives, man. And this is shit that goes on today. I know multiple situations where niggas had

Live with bitches. Well, we have a lot of time. Niggas. Live with bitches. And we'll sneak out the house to do shit with a nigga. Yeah. I think that is the most disgusting as shit thing.

and you are in fact right that that is that is disgusting you know especially because you're not giving your mate a choice you know what I'm saying you're not even not being transparent right and I'm telling you there are women that are okay with men being bisexual just like there are men okay with some women being bisexual but when you sneaking around it like like the scene on cover when she because Leon played the master gay he was like the top master gay he was the one like shit he was the Leon so damn sexy and smooth in that month and

every movie I forgot Leon was in that movie yes he was the shit and he ain't give a fuck you know what I mean but he loved his wife but he still loved men you know and

She was like so stressed out. It's not even about him cheating. It's like, yo, if it was a woman, I can compete with him with a woman. I can't compete with a man like you don't. I can't. It's deep, man. That shit, that shit is deep. You know what I mean? So she felt like, yo, like, damn, like I'm useless to this man because I'm not really what he wants.

You know what I'm saying? She probably feeling like I'm just an arm piece. Yeah, you know, so that really broke her heart. Really, like the movie, cover. I'm just a cover. Yeah, there you go.

Hold up. I see what you did there. Cover. All right. That's exactly how she felt. And again, it's a lot of people who live like that. They have four families, four wives, but their side piece is a nigga or a male. I don't want to just keep saying nigga. You say nigga, you think just black, but it's a male. And I do think that is disgusting though. But it is hard to...

for broke gay niggas than it is for rich gay niggas. Man, I do understand and I believe it's hard for men, period, as opposed to women. Yeah, that's just what the fuck it is. It's a double standard. That is literally what...

we wanted to address like i really wanted to have you on here to talk about that shit because like i said if i would have tried to do this episode they would have canceled topic by myself oh no i'm like this bitch is off her fucking like you don't have a right to her like the baby yes you don't have a right to say you know what i'm saying but i i just i see that and i i know it like i have you know family members who i've seen

And a lot of my church family, you know, they're not biologically related to me, but a lot of my church family, you know, I have a lot of, you know, gay cousins who grew up in church and shit. And they, I watched people like disown them, you know, their dads and even don't come back to this church. Like crazy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I know a couple people that got kicked out of that house.

You know, after, you know, moving in secret for so long and then being axed, like, you know, what is the truth? Tell me the truth. And then you tell the truth and they still cut him the fuck off. Yeah. You know, they just cut him the fuck off. Shit, shit is, you know, it's rough. It's rough. The community will say,

You're wrong for hiding what you're doing behind closed doors. But then when you come out of these closed doors, now you're wrong for being it. Yeah. You know, it's like, damn if I do, damn if I don't. And then if I try to act like I like women, I'm still going to be looked down on. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's no. Because now you faking. Yeah. You pretending. You wasting. You taking, you know, you taking advantage.

pussy out here that's for the straight nigga. Like, it's just so much shit that you get scrutinized about. And it's like, damn if you do, damn if you don't, you just never right. You know, you just, you just never right. As far as the, like, pansexuals, asexuals, intersex, like all those different, you know, groups, you know,

Or, you know, committees. What would you say? Colonies or something? I'm not sure. It's just they're all subtopics, again, to make people feel okay with what they're doing, except for intersex. Intersex isn't more so...

Sexuality. Yeah, it's not a sexuality. That's something that you're born with. It's basically a homophobic. It's when you're born with both. Oh, hermaphrodite. Okay, okay. Yeah, so it's like, you know, when you're born with both. So that's something that you can't control. Yeah. You know, you can't control it. So it's just like...

Damn, so you got to pick and choose which one. Or not even pick and choose, like whatever you feel you are. If you don't have it surgically fixed, you know, you got to choose. Oh, so you can get that surgically fixed. You can. But damn. Some intersex are born with breasts and then some aren't. So I guess you can choose, like, you know, even if you are born with breasts, but you want to be, you know, identify as a male, then, you know, you do what you got to do. But the other things are just...

and make people feel better about themselves. Make them feel okay with what they're doing or to make it seem less gay. As a male, once you cross that line, that's it. You just, no matter what the fuck you is, you can't be like, oh, I'm just gay today, but tomorrow I'm straight. Like, bitch. Nah. It's done. You gay forever. I feel you. I feel you because a lot of people feel like, you know, like I'm attracted to, like for instance, I think Willow Smith is a,

something where she is she doesn't see man or female she just sees love so it's like then you buy like you like both but she's like no I'm not bisexual what the fuck are you you know what I'm saying like I don't know it's just like people it's just like it's just an acceptance thing of a mind it's like that's a mental thing like I'm free like okay you're a goddamn hippie that's cool but it's you know why is it so

Like, why is it so defined? It's so difficult. It's like, yeah, why is it, yeah, like, why is it a definitive word? You got to ask people in the community when you meet them, you know, how do you identify, what are your pronouns like? First of all, I'm not walking up to nobody and say, hey, how you doing? What are your pronouns? Like, what the fuck? Fucking like a robot bitch? I don't know, I'm a person. It's just extra because at the end of the day, like you just said, the first and foremost, you're human. Yeah. All that other shit is irrelevant. It's like, it doesn't, it doesn't, I don't think, I personally,

Don't feel as though that it takes that much to identify yourself as who you are. If you gay, you gay. If you straight, you straight. If you're a cross-contaminated, you're a cross-contaminated. All right. We're going to end on that. Not if you are cross-contaminated. You are cross-contaminated. That was Prince that said that, not me. So he's never been canceled before. Cancel him. See how he feel about that shit. It's like, no, no, no. But I did want to touch on this shit because it's a lot of it that people don't talk about.

Absolutely. They scared. They be scared. They're scared to talk about it. So I really, really wanted to dig into it. What else? Not a gay conversation and dig into it. Damn. Oh man. See, you on your gay game again. There you go. Digging into it. What are you talking about? Shut up. I said shaky.

Oh my God. Listen, I love y'all, whether y'all gay, straight, hermaphrodite, or Prince said hermorphodite, but whatever, you know, we're going to come back to that. It's morphin' time.

And I love you. Thanks for stopping by. No problem. I'm out, bitch. I thought he was going to get on me because he definitely was like, bitch, if you ever thank me for stopping by. Remember last week you said that shit? He was real high last week. I was high as a bitch. Thanks for stopping by, bitch. I was not walking down the street. But look, we'll see who the fuck we got on here next week. I might bring my cheating ass far up here.

Hey, y'all. Like, niggas look at each other like, hold up. What? Hold up. Cheating as far as this bitch. You know what I'm saying? Hopefully he be walking past. Thank him for stopping to fuck by. Make sure y'all tune in each and every Wednesday. That's hump day. And in my Pam voice, peace.

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