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Welcome to Calfly Reckless, a production of iHeartRadio and The Black Effect. And just like that, we're back with yet another Calfly Reckless episode with your girl, Jess Hilarious. What I be doing? I be fixing mess and we got my girl Taylor here. Taylor probably not going to be talking today. She getting further and further into this pregnancy and she getting closer and closer to this due date. The man here. Oh, all right, my man. What, uh... What...

When is your due date, boo? July 12th. Oh, July 12th. Okay. Oh my God. So at least you don't got to go through the whole summer pregnant. I might keep saying that, but regardless, I'm probably going to be in size. I know, but I'm saying it's annoying as shit being pregnant and as hot as a bitch.

Yeah, because I mean, even how the weather's been going, I feel like it don't really get hot until June. Yeah, exactly. The seasons are all thrown off. Seasons are definitely different. But all right. So we got another crazy ass motherfucking story. I didn't really read all the way into this because I really like the element of surprise. I like natural reactions. So we're going to read this. Hello, Jessica. First of all.

Don't nobody fucking call me Jessica, but hello, Jessica. I just recently lost my husband of 15 years. We were lovers ever since college. So it's just so weird trying to continue life without him. What's even weirder is that's not even a word, but I'm gonna let you slide because your husband died. All right. What's even weirder is I, well, what's even more weird? Cause I can't even bring myself to talk that dumb. Okay. What's even more weird. I've learned more about my husband in the past week.

Then the 15 years we were together. Oh, shit. Shortly after the funeral at the repast. All right, this way I stopped. Okay, so it's about to get good. Oh, my God. I mean, rest in peace, but it's going to be good. Shortly after the funeral at the repast, I was approached by this woman who was clearly way younger than me. I'd say mid-20s. Okay. She asked me if I was his wife, and I said yes.

So this bitch is popped up at the fucking repass? Bitches is reckless as fuck. Okay. She told me that her and Edwin... Oh, yeah, this was definitely an old nigga. Her and Edwin, I can say the name. What is he gonna do? Uh-uh! Wait, what? She said...

She told me that her and Edwin, I can say the name. What is he going to do? Because, you know, I tell people that I keep it anonymous. So she just said his name. But she like, what are you going to do if he did? Oh, my gosh. She got a little sense of humor. Okay. Her and Edwin had been seeing each other and that he promised her a brand new car and a $10,000 check to start her business. Oh, yeah. This definitely sound like a sugar daddy. Because I used to have one.

I said, ho, is you out of your mind? She said she didn't want me to find out about her this way, but here we are. I asked her how long have they been sleeping with each other? And she says two years. I couldn't believe I didn't see this. She also tells me that they have an eight month old daughter. And I told her that that couldn't be true because he had a vasectomy. And she says, no, he just got it after they had their daughter. What the fuck?

She said, that's not true because my husband got a vasectomy. She said, no, no, no. He just got it after we gave birth to my daughter. Jessica, I choked. Oh, Jessica, I choked her. Oh, shit. Jessica, I choked her. That man told me he had a vasectomy two years ago because we were struggling to get pregnant. And I guess that was how he dealt with it. Oh, man. We definitely argued about it because that was...

I don't think so. Damn, that's corny. Unless you tell us that by the time I finish the story. But so far, no.

We definitely argued about it because that was another thing that was quite weird. But it's just crazy how he supposedly got a vasectomy two years ago when he met her. Now they have a kid. Wow. Back to it, though. It took three of my cousins to get me off of that wench. Yeah, she old, too. Call her somebody a wench. She ain't do shit. And I wasn't expecting her to, neither. This is all too much for me, Jess. I really...

Thought I knew this man. A kid though? Wow, man. How do I even deal with all this?

Oh, wow. Well, she ain't never say how old they were, but this nigga name is Edwin. So obviously he was a bit seasoned. And then she's more than likely older as well. What's she asking him for? I think she did the right thing. She said, how did she deal with all this? I think she did the right thing too. But what's so fucking heartbroken is that Edwin not even here. I know. Like, you know what I'm saying? You can't even kill him over again. So yeah, it's like you can't. Excuse me? Hey, y'all. Hey.

For real. I'm putting him back in the grave. That's so crazy. Dead ass, I would. No, I know, but it's like, oh, he not even here. You can't confront him. So now you're mad at your dead ex-husband. I mean, now that you're mad at your dead husband, you're a widow and it's fucked up. Honestly, that would make me...

I wouldn't even feel sad about him dying anymore, though. Yo, to be honest with you, I was literally about to say the same shit, you know? Like, all right, fuck it. Because that's so fucked up. This is easier for me to get over. Yeah, it's so betraying, though, because it's like, nigga, and then it's like, nigga, you died and got away with this shit. Right. That's what would piss me off and get me upset. Yes, he literally took it to the grave.

That's crazy. Yeah. But I ain't gonna lie. I sent that bitch with him. There ain't no way you knew he was married. You knew she had to know. She did. That was a sugar daddy. She ain't a lot of niggas. Yeah. She had a baby. He was probably he was giving a bread and she like, look, I'm just going, you know, because and it's the thing you had to hide your child. You hid your child. Yeah. But her asking for

Her going up to the wife, what's that supposed to do now? Yeah, that was pointless as fuck. Hold up, hold up. I know this shit getting good, but listen to just a couple seconds of a commercial. If you love me, you'll listen.

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Because are you expecting money from her then? Yeah, because he probably didn't leave a will or anything. You know, if he did, shorty and a baby not in it. You know what I'm saying? Because then that would alert his wife that something was going on. She's obligated to do that though? Obligated to what? Pay, like, it was child support. Oh, they were married. Yeah. So all your debts become...

like inclusive that's wild you motherfucking right that's why Andy didn't want to marry Mendeecee the real way like you know remember um

It took them a while to really finalize their marriage, to officiate their marriage because he was in a lot of debt, I think, like, with, like, courts and shit, court proceedings, like, all of that type shit. And if he would have married... Yandy would have married him, his debt would have became her debt. Yeah. So she waited until he got all that shit situated and then may officiate the marriage. Because, no, I don't blame her either. But I think that's a lot of people in that type of situation, though. Yeah. Like...

People just think, oh, married and no. You got to think about other shit. All of that shit. I heard Wisham Calls say this. Well, not that, but what's her name? Ari Fletcher. Saying she don't want to get married in a sense because... But she already married a big.

They already married. When? They're married. They've been married for a while. They've been married for like a whole, what, year or two? I remember her saying... She tied the knot with that nigga, yep. They went and got married quietly, some... Well, privately. Not quietly, but like privately. Well, how do you know that she...

she showed the ring and they found out yeah I think it went viral I don't think he gave her rings but I didn't know if it was they're married she is Moneybagg's wife she is Mario's wife I remember by the time she was saying like she didn't want to because of the child support or something like that but either way

But she probably didn't want to marry a nigga who couldn't afford child support because then that becomes her bill too. But Moneybagg, yo, better be able to afford that motherfucking child support. Her name's Moneybagg. Yeah, exactly. You can't be walking around your name Moneybagg and you broke his spot. Like, come on now. I know manifestation works in many different ways, but that's not it. You know? So... But...

But this lady's story is complete asinine. Like, it's crazy. And I feel for her, but I'm upset. Yeah, I know. Right. It's like, could she divorce him? I know. I wonder what type of measures could she take to. And they had a prenup. Would it be the same thing still? No, right. I'm not sure. We got to ask Lauren because she know all the lawyers and shit.

I have no idea. It's just like I'm almost at a loss for words. I don't really know. I mean, the advice that she's asking for is how she can deal with all this. The thing is, you have to kill two bodies. You have to kill the wife. Hey, so that's crime. I don't think she... I'm just thinking, though, like... I know you did it. It's serious, too. Like, we're really...

sitting here trying to plan the murder. Because I was thinking like if you, if she wants to, you know, do something to the girl, it's still the baby. But then the baby's left without a mom. And she don't want that baby? It's not about even a mom though. It's still like that was a dad though. So it's still, she's going to have to take care of. Right. Cause she, because if she killed a mother, she going to have to take care of that child. But then. Cause that's her stepchild, honestly.

Right, but it's eight months, too, though. A child from a mistress. She could honestly get away with, because the baby's eight months. She could make the baby hers if they don't have any kids, too, though. Because the baby's not going to remember at eight months. I wonder how old Edwin was. Listen, those fish were still swimming, honey. I'm thinking about this, though, because if it was me, I would be like, you know what, I would have to kill her off.

and then just raise the baby like I adopted. Oh, okay. So you wouldn't give the baby away in better hands? No.

I would be so triggered every single day I looked at that baby. And I know this episode is probably going to get us canceled, but it's all right. Go ahead. I could probably trick my mind like, no, this is my child. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You got to almost develop a mental illness. Yeah, you do. Like, you know, trick yourself into believing that the baby is yours. Yeah. Because both of the parents gone. Yeah. I wonder how he died.

He probably, he said he was old. He probably had a heart attack or something. All right, but he ain't, he better not be that motherfucking old. For real, you out here cheating? I thought like, oh, that shit supposed to expire at a certain age. Nigga, you old as shit. That's crazy. Lord Jesus. Anyway, so you just want her to just find a way to kill the lady, kill the side chick and take the baby and figure it out. He just said she wants the baby or not. I just feel like, okay.

You know, because the baby's innocent. Definitely so. No, the girl is not innocent in any of this shit. No. Okay, so Taylor could be feeling her hormones right now. But I think...

To deal with it, because that's what she really wanted to know, how to deal with it. I think you should definitely start some type of therapy for yourself. And I know this seems repetitive. All you've probably been hearing from people is, go to therapy, go to therapy, go to therapy. And listen, I've never been to fucking therapy, so I don't know if that's going to work for you or not. But it's really, really a great outlet. I've seen so many people do work on themselves, and the work that they're doing on themselves, they get from...

They're therapists, you know? I'm not mad at people doing it. Yeah, I'm not mad at people doing it. Like, before, like, 10 years ago, black people really didn't want to do that shit. I can't speak for whites. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't. But I can only speak for my people. And mostly the... It's an outlet to talk to someone. Yeah, it is. You know, and the problem with black people, though, like, we don't trust motherfuckers.

We don't trust people with our business. We don't really like for our business to be ever thrown back in our face. I know that's the thing, but we're just guarded as a people anyway. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people, a lot of us hold shit from our friends, like really good friends. A lot of us like sit with secrets. We sit with shit and that's how people go crazy. But a therapist, I mean, the only thing is a therapist probably going to just tell you

their person yeah yeah nah I feel you but I I do kind of understand why like for instance Rome my ash dad Rome has been trying to gather himself to push toward therapy for about seven years

He cannot do it. Charlamagne even referenced him to like three of them. He did one session with each therapist and was like, yo, nah, I just don't feel right. I'm like, what is wrong though? Maybe. I don't know. Or is this the fact that he, because I think he has to get out of his mindset that he's a therapist. Another person that is not biased and that won't judge you. You just got to lay it all out, but you got to tell the truth. You got to keep that shit a hundred. It's like,

Yeah. Cause Rome will hold back. Like, that's what I'm saying. No, if this is a therapist, you gotta trust them. You have to trust your therapist, right? Cause then you'll lie about shit and they can't really fully assess you if you're not giving them everything, you know? But I do know that Rome was, at first he was very hesitant because he felt like a lot of therapists were white and he didn't want to be looked down on by a white person. Like, he's just like, no, if they, if they not my color, they can't relate to me. Like, that's exactly how he feels. Yeah.

It's a lot of black therapists. So that's exactly what Charlemagne referred to him. He referred black therapists to him, two men and one woman.

And Rome trying to flirt with the woman. I'm like, listen, this is not what you do because it was virtual, obviously. And he was like, shorty bad. I'm like, look, no, you're bad and you're trying to be good. So just focus on the, you know, the whole subject here. Like, let's focus on the goal. If you love me, you'll listen to this commercial and then we'll be right back.

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Kids were being pushed to their physical and emotional limits as the family that owned Shane turned a blind eye. Nothing about that camp was right. It was really actually like a horror movie. In this eight-episode series, we're unpacking and investigating stories of mistreatment and reexamining the culture of fatphobia that enabled a flawed system to continue for so long.

You can listen to all episodes of Camp Shame one week early and totally ad-free on iHeart True Crime Plus. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts and subscribe today. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone. Most of all, his wife Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me.

Caroline's husband was living another life behind the scenes. He betrayed his oath to his family and to his community. She said you left bruises, pulled her hair, that type of thing. No. How far would Joel go to cover up what he'd done? You're unable to keep track of all your lies, and quite frankly, I question how many other women may bring forward allegations in the future. This season of Betrayal investigates one officer's decades of deception.

Lies that left those closest to him questioning everything they thought they knew. Listen to Betrayal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. He just needs a therapist. Like, I don't know how his friends are. That's just how the movie's a setting. Right, and then Rome don't really have many friends. You can count on one hand how many friends Rome got. Same here. I mean, I don't think that's—I personally think that's a problem. Yeah.

Yes. You grow into yourself and you grow away from other people, grow apart. Maybe...

He's never just gonna sit back with have a blindness hand talk to him. Yeah. Yeah setting maybe he's thinking too much like oh, he's trying Yeah, yeah, cuz cuz yeah Rome don't like for it to feel like an interrogation Like why am I just telling you all my information like and I'm uncomfortable in this clinic or we in this office and this is just set up to It's too corporate like so yeah, I do get it. But I

What therapist will smoke a blunt and hear me out? If I was a therapist, I would. You definitely would give that outlet, right? That's different. Right. I like that. Because now, in a sense, no, seriously, because you might be really on to something because it's the settings and you have to provide that safe space and that environment for somebody to even open up to you to be vulnerable. You know what I mean? That's different. That is different. All right. Let me ask you this. Smoke.

hookah that's different all right what about wine I would say no hard liquor I would just say wine because but then sometimes it really opens you up hard liquor really may open you up I'm not saying like drink champs this shit but I'm saying like at least three shots two shots whatever and your therapist is not drinking you're you're comfortable enough to drink they may have a glass of wine or they may a mocktail they may act like because they still got to do their job

but now you really might be on to something. Say, I don't know what policy and protocol that might go against, um, letting a client, um, deal with drugs and shit, you know, cause they would classify that as drugs, you know, white people. Yeah. But like I said,

If it's therapeutic for you, yeah. You might be on to something. I never heard anybody refer to a therapy session with spirits. And when I say spirits, I mean wine, liquor, and shit. Wine and spirits or even hookah or marijuana just for stress relief and just to open up.

And loosen up. Yeah, we talk over a blunt, over a glass of wine all the fucking time, you know. And sometimes those are the best, most needed conversations. So, yeah, I might look into that, you know. I wonder how long you got to go to school to be a therapist because that might be something I might do. Like just go to school and then allow my clients to...

to smoking shit. If anything, y'all heard it here first and Taylor gave me the ideas. I know she's going to want some money. But exactly, exactly. Or edibles. You got to eat the edible. Oh yeah. I was going to say, you got to eat the edible like 10 minutes or no. I mean,

30 minutes before you come to my session so you can be loose. What? Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is different, yo. Don't they need like a person there? Yes, they need a shaman. They need a guide, a spiritual guide. Yeah. Well, yeah, that is definitely a form of therapy, the ayahuasca. Yeah, you're right. But those people, that shit can go. And that shit lasts for so long. I want to try.

I do too. Oh, that's what's up. You're not scared to try ayahuasca? That's cool. That's what's up. I want to as well. I love when Charlemagne was like, yo, because I was like, how do you do it? He said, it got to call you. Yeah, he said, um...

Or people make it seem like you see a whole nother light of understanding of life. See, that's what I want to do that, though. But I feel like they don't do that shit nowhere in America. I think that's like you got to go out the country or something because it's like a whole camp is like a treatment camp, a holistic therapeutic camp or some shit. Yeah. So we got to do that. As soon as you drop my baby, we got to go in and do that. Had it with the tea.

Oh, you had Shroom T. That shit hit you quick, didn't it? Yeah. I was cracking the fuck up. Oh, yeah. I was watching Bad Trip with... So you did shrooms and watched Bad Trip? It's a funny movie. Okay, all right. Because Bad Trip, you can have a bad trip if you... No, I don't. It's a funny-ass movie. Okay. This movie. Bad Trip. Who else is in it? Is that Mark Wahlberg? No. No.

Oh, who is it? Lil Ro. Oh, Eric Andre. You've never seen this? No, I never saw Bad Trip. It's on Netflix, so I'm going to watch it. Okay. I feel like you've never seen that. I never seen it. I never even heard of it until just now. No, I'm telling you I didn't. Shit. All right, I got to watch it because they my peoples. Yeah, I watched that and then I started crying. Oh, why? Yeah, you was definitely big high. I don't know.

know I was just you don't know why right mm-hmm yeah that's what shrooms are yo I feel like yo it makes you it puts you in touch with your feelings and then things that you bottle up that you keep inside and that you're just scared to like that shit will make you release it and to your point ayahuasca is that too but it's just that times 10 yeah

So yeah, we're going to do some drugs. Well, after you have the baby. But we've come to yet the end of another Carefully Workless episode with your girl, Jessalyn. What I be doing? I be fixing mess, or at least I be trying. Y'all say bye to Taylor. Taylor, say bye to the people. Catch us next week. Peace.

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