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Welcome back to Write Answers Mostly, a podcast on what you didn't learn in history class, but you really wanted to. My name is Tess Palomo. My name is Claire Donald. Oh!
And we have friend of the pod. You know her. You love her. You probably follow her on TikTok. And if you're not, what are you doing? Literally. Hannah Brown. Oh, my gosh. Wait, Hannah, I just realized this is not the first time you've been on Ram. Yes, Scandival. That's when our friendship began. Is that the first time we ever met on Zoom? Yes. That's right, because then Claire logged off, and then Hannah and I talked for like 10 minutes about our past trauma because we worked at the same place in LA. Yes.
Wow. I know. That was like over a year ago. No, that was like two years ago. Oh my God. And I remember being like, they're really nice and cool. I hope we can stay friends. And we had the same thought. We were like, do you think she'd ever talk to us again? Literally.
And here we are. Welcome back, Hannah. Thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled to be here. You are just an angel. And we love following you on TikTok, hot girl anthropologist. We love your new podcast if you want to talk to the Rammys about it. Yes. Talk about your TikTok and your – what Tess just said. Oh, my God.
Gals, thank you so much. Yeah, so I'm on TikTok at Hannah A. Brown Zero. And I'm a hot girl anthropologist, so I mine hot girls on TikTok for information about how to be hotter and more confident. And even though occasionally there will be a troll that's like, I'm so hot.
I'm sorry, we? Are you including yourself in that? People on the internet can fuck right off. We understand. I am user 529972. Go back to your basement. You old troll. Yeah. Give me pizza, you troll. Thank you for picking that up. Guys, we have such another Bravo girly on here. It's family. It's family. It's family. It's family. And then I have a podcast called Not Aspirational with Hannah Brown. And
And I just brought it back a few weeks ago, so it's pretty fresh. I mean, I launched it initially in 2020, gave it a four-year nap because who among us doesn't need a four-year nap? Am I right, ladies? We get it. Yeah. So I recently brought it back and it's kind of like equal parts like pop culture, self-care, self-help.
All the things. You truly feel like you're hanging out with your best friend when you listen to your podcast. And like we are friends in real life, but it just, you have that way of speaking to your audience and being interesting. And you've really helped me in my personal life. And I was texting you about this, that I was like, I felt so crusty one day. And then I was listening to your podcast and on TikTok, you're like, go to Pinterest, type in these specific things. Like,
you know, figure out your wardrobe. And it truly just made my day. It changed my day. You are so good at like, you're so funny and you have so many good ideas. And then you're also very smart. And I think that's also like, it is aspirational because your podcast, you're like, oh my God, she doesn't even like stop. Like you never even say like an um, or like you're just like on it. Yeah, that's wild. It's good. It's some good shit, you guys. Thank you so much.
you so much. We need you right now. We need you. We're trying to do our best. We obviously wanted to have you on and then we asked you what subject you wanted to cover and you kind of came up with this immediately. You knew it like you had been thinking about it. Yeah. Talk about something that keeps me up at night. Yeah. So what are you talking about, Hannah? Today we're talking about recession pop. I'm so excited. Same. Well, when you first said that, I was like, what is recession pop? I mean, I could guess.
Let's start there. Okay. Guessing what Recession Pop is. Pop music during the recession? I think when I think of Recession Pop, I think of 2010. Just like I think about a lot of my life, I am thinking about 2010. Yeah. And I do think we all share this of at least like this was a time in life that I am very nostalgic for. Yeah.
American Apparel, Lady Gaga. I think a lot of Katy Perry. I don't know if you were. Yes. Were you a Katy Kat? Yeah. I mean, I don't think I ever labeled myself a Katy Kat per se, but I loved her songs. Okay. I would say that first album, what's it called? Like One of the Boys. One of the Boys. One of the Boys and Prism. Both amazing. Prism underrated. Yeah, underrated. What was the last one that wasn't so great? Not great.
The one with Chain to the Rhythm? That she decided to donate all of her album sales to the fire relief? No, it was the couple before that. She did like a 24-hour YouTube. That's when she had really short blonde hair. She had the Miley hair. Yes. Tough. Tough.
Really tough. Really tough. Yeah. But we love 2010. We love 2010. This jacket, for those of you watching, is an homage to 2010 indie sleaze. Of course. Which, recession pop and indie sleaze aren't the same genre at all, but they exist in the same beautiful 2010s Venn diagram of iconic music. So it's 2010, not like 2008? Yeah.
It was technically 2008 to like 2014. Okay. Wow. Well, this was a great time for pop culture in general. I feel like shows were really good. Celebrity gossip was good. Bravo was good. Oh, Bravo was good. Well, it's because it was like right on the beginning of Instagram. Yeah.
Right? So it's like Instagram was so fun to use. You literally took a picture and then put six filters on it and uploaded everything. Yes. And you had celebrities acting out on Twitter, like being chaotic. Yes. And like being chaotic on Tumblr. Like it's like they didn't care and or maybe know that people were actually going to be like combing through their social accounts on that level.
100%. And it's like the height of reality TV because of the writer's strike and the economy that they're like, this is the cheapest thing to make. Some of my favorite things to do when I'm just by myself and a little high is going so far back to like even a Bravo Liberty or like a new Bravo Liberty. I recently did this to Erin Leachie from New York. And I was like, what was she posting before she got famous and go back to 2014? Shocking. I'm not certain I want to know. Yeah. I'm not certain. You know what? I was like, maybe I regret that. It's not a safe space in there. Yeah.
I'm excited because we were all texting last night. I miss Tumblr. I never got on that era. I feel like the South really held me down. I wish that you guys, I would have met you in high school, that you could have introduced me to all these cool things. Because you guys, you grew up in Chicago area, right? And then Tess, you were in California. It didn't make it its way. Maybe I just wasn't cool enough. I dislike that.
I was very like preppy Southern, so I feel like I missed some of like the cool things like the Tumblrs. But you tweeted. Oh, I tweeted. But maybe tweeted was more Southern. Yeah, but just like Tumblr was like a vibe. You know what I'm saying? It was a whole aesthetic. It was like a culture. Exactly. It was who you were. Exactly. I want to kick things off. Set the scene for you guys. Okay? She's a theater kid. I'm a theater kid. I had to set the scene. I know. Cozy up, ladies.
Drink a Four Loko. Oh, my God. Take you right back. That I do not miss. The heart palpitations. 99 bananas. I've never had a Four Loko. That's probably why you're still alive. That's why you're like normal. Your brain is good. Yeah, truly. Yeah. Like when I don't remember something that I said five minutes ago, I'm like, it's probably because of the Four Loko. Yeah. The one. Yeah. The one. Can do it. Can do a number. All it took was one. Lack of college. Yeah. I miss so much. Ugh.
Tumblr for loco. I haven't really lived. Well, I tell you what. You know my birthday is in July. And I like a theme. I want to have a college-themed birthday party. Oh, my God. Hannah, this is amazing. We went to Hannah's Marie Antoinette birthday. You guys, you were the best. The outfit that you had was insane. Yeah, you were gorgeous. The outfit you had, stunning. Oh, thank you. We're just going to be building each other up all episode. Yeah, so get used to it, Rammies. Get used to it, Rammies. This is a positive space. We're in the 2010s today. We have a better time. Yes.
It's 2010. You're at a college party. It's September, first semester, and you have the entire year ahead of you. You go to this party with your chaotic roommate who at this point you think you'll be friends with for life. The party is in a frat basement. The floor is sticky. The lights are low. Jungle juice flows like wine as you sip room temperature beer out of a red solo cup. Your outfit, an American Apparel skater dress with a slouchy pirate boot and a braided headband around your head.
Oh.
Reminds me of losing my virginity. I got drunk for the first time on Jungle Juice in a garage. Oh my gosh. So, okay. So during this time, you're a little bit younger. I was in high school in 2010. Okay. I was a freshman, sophomore in college in 2010. Same? Yeah. I graduated in 2013 from college. I graduated in...
2013 as well. Okay. Because, yeah, we're the same age. Yeah. Yeah. We're theater kids. We're not mathematicians. Yeah. That's what we're here for. I graduated high school in 2012 and then just didn't go to college. Did y'all party in Arkansas? I partied. I went to like two or three parties my senior year where I got drunk. But like I was religious in high school, Hannah. She was a good girl. I really was. And that's like such a shame. You were Lucy from Crossroads. Yeah.
I was Lucy from Crossroads. Lucy from Crossroads. Britney in Crossroads. Britney. Britney Spears. Oh, my God. Yes. I'm like, am I okay? I loved Crossroads. Wow. That's like how everyone was back then. So also like my style, like, well, I love Jeffrey Campbell, but like I was wearing Sperry's and like Ralph Lauren polo. She's preppy girly. Like pearls. I don't, I actually don't know if I had pearls, but big fake rhinestone earrings. Important.
I wouldn't feel safe around me now, you know? But I'm going to lean in. But I think I always had like this Tumblr girl in me. You had it in you. It just had to take some years to come out. It had to be brought out by L.A. I was going to say, when you moved to L.A., I've seen pictures of you where you were very much giving Tumblr girl. Yeah, totally. Exactly. Like a statement necklace, a ballet flat, a little skater skirt. Yes. Oh, she knew. Exactly. A side bang, perhaps. I didn't know about American apparel until I moved to L.A.,
It's where we went for every dance in high school. It was like, go to American Apparel for homecoming and get a sexy little... It was... A sexy little number. A sexy little number. Remember the hot pants? I'm so sad I got rid of mine. They're like leggings. Oh, of course. I wore those all the time. But they were shorts. They'll probably be in the Smithsonian. Yes. Yes. Alice still has her pair. I got rid of my red skater dress maybe a year ago. God damn it. And I'm still mad. And I had that black...
leotard that was like mesh in the middle and then like it looked like leather and your tits were like I loved that talk I got that for my 21st birthday and I was like because I was like $80 for my 21st birthday worth it because it was like an expensive leotard yeah treat ourselves but it was like
trash material, right? Yeah. Oh, it was so cheap. Yeah. But I wore that thing into the ground and it turned into a puff of dust by the time I was done with it. Okay, sources include my nerdy narc cousin, Google AI, and my slutty Gen Z cousin, TikTok, and my edgy foreign cousin who got fingered in the back of the bus on a high school field trip, Vogue Australia. Oh,
Oh my god. This is why she comes on, you guys. We're going to fucking love that. You guys, we just added three new members to our team, to our family. That, oh my god. Like the Jessica. Well, Vogue Australia is so good. Vogue Australia. Well, they had an article called, What Exactly Is Recession Poll? And I thought, perfect. We're one of those entities. Yeah.
Recession pop is defined as a subgenre of dance pop that emerged in the late 2000s and early 2010s, roughly, I'm sorry, I misspoke before, 2007 to 2014. And it's characterized by its upbeat, catchy, and feel-good sound. The term is used to describe the wave of music that was produced in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis. So it's related to...
I can't speak. It's related to this idea that the shittier things are, the brighter and catchier and more fun music becomes. And it can actually be traced back to the Great Depression when Ram icon Judy Garland released a song called Life is Just a Bowl of Cherries.
They're like not going to want us. I'm not going to be okay. It's just going to be me cracking up the whole time. Just like, just keep talking. I was like, it all comes back to Ram. It all goes back to Ram. Come on. Do you want to say it? So like, this isn't the first time that this has happened. And part of why I thought it was a topical time for this is because the world is a fiery hellscape right now. And we're seeing an uptick in music that people are referring to as like the new wave of recession pop. And everyone's saying like, oh, this is,
The circumstances now are similar to 2007 with the financial crisis. And now we're seeing albums like Brat and Short and Sweet and The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess and Mayhem's coming up. And everyone's saying that that's a return to form for Gaga. So I felt like this was really topical in the zeitgeist. It's perfect. It's like pop music...
hasn't been this good in a long time and the world has never been worse. Yeah. Like at least in 2007, 2008, we had Obama. Yeah. So it's like the music needs to be extra good. The girlies need to really bring it this year. I know. And like heading into summer, I'm like, I, okay. Have you heard the new Addison Rae song? High fashion. I actually haven't heard it yet. I haven't. Is it good? So,
It's kind of a slow burn, but it is not like a shake your ass kind of song. Oh, okay. And I think for me personally, Recession Pop is so special because even if you're just driving around in your car, if you're listening to LMFAO be like, shots, shots, shots, shots, shots, you're like, I feel good. I feel like I can do anything. I feel high on life. I feel like I just want to hang out with my friends and be irresponsible. Yeah. Yes. And I want to do that. Yeah. And Addison Rae, you don't think is giving that. Would you say she gave that...
See, I kind of love this sexy pop that we're going into, like Sports Car with Tate McRae. Yes. And I feel like Addison Rae has been giving us some of that, but I didn't even listen to High Fashion. I think she's giving vibes for sure. I think it's – okay. High Fashion is the music video that you pregame to before you go to the party. Okay. It's not what you're listening to at the party. I see. Well, that's a good point about vibes, and I'm sure we're going to be talking about this. That's a great point you bring up about vibes. About, you know, vibes. Yeah.
Is that like, I think we got to get back to the music too. Because I think so many people are truly just like, is this going to look good for TikTok? Yes. And also like, what's my like, the outfit, the looks, which like, of course, I appreciate. I'm like all about that. But I do miss just some simple like, dirty pop. Yes.
Yes. Like scream pop. Drunk scream pop. Yes. Like being drunk and listening to Black Eyed Peas. Of course. Like drunk for like maybe the third time in your life. Yes. Was like a religious experience. Like I think I levitated. I've got a feeling. Yes. And you're just like anything could happen tonight. Tonight's going to be a good night. Or what's that song that's like, I'm on the top of my life. Oh. Hey, hey, hey, let's get it now. Yes. Every song is like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Woo.
Also, a party in the USA is like very much this time to me. Yeah. It's like every song was like, I might be broke, but I'm still having fun and I am going to keep drinking. Yes. I spent all my money at the club. Yeah. And I can't pay rent, but like we're good. But like, let's do it again. Let's do it again tomorrow. Like last Friday night, Katy Perry. Oh my God. I also feel, sorry, I know I have to get into this topic, but. I'm just having the best time. Me too. Okay. Thank God. I also feel like in these unprecedented times.
I my hope for everyone, regardless of age, is that we all stop taking ourselves so fucking seriously, because my problem is I feel like now that I'm in my 30s, I there are two. I'm two rats. There's a rat who wears a bow on her ears and there's a rat with an eye patch. And depending on the day of the week.
I want to be Bo Rat or Eyepatch Rat. And like not a lot of people want to be Eyepatch Rat anymore because everyone's like, oh, I don't get drunk anymore. I'm over 30. And I'm like, what the fuck?
the fuck is your problem? Obviously, barring people who actually cannot take substances, of course. Right. We respect you. And you can still be fun and you still are fun. We love our sober community. Yes. That's what I'm talking about. But we're not. I'm talking about people who judge me for wanting to have maybe one too many martinis. Let me live. I think COVID has ruined a lot of that. Yes. There's been a lot of... I read a piece in the New York Times that was like, this is an epidemic of loneliness and we're not going to parties anymore. We're not going to bars. No one's hosting dinner parties like they used to. Let's get more junk for people that...
have alcohol in their lives. Yes. I'm like still newly in my single girl era so I'm going out more than ever. So if anyone ever wants to join me you can join. I'm coming. Yeah. There is something for millennials that I think it's like what's happened? Why have we all just decided to be at home is like normal for four days in a row over the weekend. We're in our
early 30s and I'm sorry if you don't have kids like you're not fucking dead. 100%. Why do you need to go to bed at 10? Tell me. Preach it Hannah. Preach it. We feel very similarly that we're just like all like there's an epidemic going on. Of boringness. Yeah of boringness and it needs to stop. Yeah I'm like I love like a wholesome game night as much as the next person but like and I'm not saying I have to do this every weekend. I am saying I need people to like
fucking, like, follow through on plans. Show up. Were you saying at your Super Bowl party you went to, like, everyone was judging you for drinking? No one was judging me, but, like, no one else was drinking. Oh, yeah. It's at the Super Bowl. I think there was, like, a group of primarily dudes that were, like, in the backyard that were taking the game seriously that got drunk, but, like, I didn't take the game seriously enough to be back there, and I didn't want to, you know what I mean? So, like, my commercial-loving community wasn't on the same, like, party wavelength as me. I see. You know what I mean? Yeah, we're all just, like, a little...
Highly recommend people put Sex and the City on and see like what being in your 30s is really about. Exactly. Get a Cosmo and take the stick out of your butt. Also, I had a friend the other night be like, I read somewhere. And by that, I mean, they probably saw it on TikTok. They were like, I read somewhere that it's not actually college that we miss. It's walkable communities. Yes. And I was like.
Where's traffic? I'm going to go find it. Yeah. Wow. I was like, I do miss walkable communities. I do too. It's like feeling like you're living in your own little village. Yeah. Well, LA is a lonely place for that. Yeah. And it's hard to, hard place for spontaneity. Yes. You can't. No. And you're like, do I want to drive an hour to go get a drink or two? And then if I want more than two drinks, do I want to spend $50 on an Uber? But LA is better than a lot of places in the country where people, again, like you're 25, you're like old and washed up and you don't go do anything.
anymore. Yeah. I mean, we're lucky to live in LA, but it's hard like and then sometimes in comparison to. The logistics suck. Yeah, definitely. Like I miss a time. Part of why Recession Pop like is so special to me is because mentally it takes me to a time where all my friends were like a stone's throw away. It was like, I'm going to walk over to your house and we're going to watch Catfish together. Don't make me cry. Don't make me cry. It was a very special time. Back when I thought that Neve was like a good dude. I'm not sure how I feel anymore. Yeah.
Anyways, so Recession Pop wasn't the first time this kind of thing had happened. We had the Great Depression, and we saw the Roaring Twenties characterized by partying to excess, boozing, and the widespread popularity of blues and swing. We also saw a Recession Pop-type era during the British winter of discontent between the 70s and 80s, where we saw disco increase in popularity. Hmm.
And if you don't know what the British winter of discontent was, because I sure as fuck didn't, it happened in the winter of 1978 and 1979 when a wave of strikes erupted across Britain as workers rejected the labor government's attempt to impose wage limits in the face of rising inflation. So people were financially like really down bad.
So, like, during periods of hard times and empty pockets, music had to make people feel good, and it acts as, like, this cathartic distraction. Something's gotta give. Thank God we have it. Yeah. Yeah. To quote an article from Vogue Australia written in September 2024... Oh, she's good. This was the first era of recitation pulp. Between the years...
Keep going. Keep going. 2007 and 2014, pop music was marked by fest, frenetic BPM, scientifically proven to induce positive emotions, and hooky lyrics that waxed poetic on partying and relentless optimism. Enjoying life in spite of life and quite literally dancing our troubles away. Dancing our troubles away. Yeah. What else do we have if not for dance? Come on.
on. Like we had Pitbull and Neo chanting, this is the last $20 I got, but I'm going to have a good time balling tonight. Oh, I guess we didn't even talk about Kesha. Kesha. I mean, Kesha is like so much of this time. She changed everything. What was, oh, that's a Justin Bieber song. Bieber was like very big in that time too. Of the world's 2012, the world's going to end. What was that one? We're going to party like it's 2012 tonight. Oh, I can take it, take it.
We're all singing different songs. Until the world ends, the beauty and the beat. Yes. Yes. Let's do a mashup. Yeah. That was very recession pop. United States of Pop. Do you guys remember this? No. DJ Yerworm made me who I am today. What are you guys talking about? I know you want to dance. Oh. Rock and roll. Yes. Yes. I'm sweating actually now. So am I. In this fur coat that I chose to wear. Fuck it. Let's dance. And that's a wrap. Yeah.
I loved United States of Pop. I didn't know this. When did they stop? Isn't it sad that one came out and we didn't know it was going to be the last one? Much like Now 17. That was the last one? No, Now came out with another one. It's like Now 50. Oh, no. For me, it's like the 17s when it ended almost. I knew it kept going, but that's where it ended for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. These songs aren't relevant to me anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's always sad. What is on the nows now? Probably like Olivia Rodrigo. Yeah. But who's buying a CD?
Yeah, just make a playlist. Oh my god! We're old. I'm like, this is my camera. It's like...
Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, y'all, you know exactly the vibes. Like, the article listed, like, songs like Come On by Kesha, Like a G6, Dirty Talk, Girls, Good Girls Gone Bad. We had Mr. Worldwide, Pitbull, Neo, Flo Rida, My Personal Recession, Pop King. Okay. So I'm a little triggered by Flo Rida right now because... Explain yourself. At Tessa's bachelorette party, Molly...
turned on it was non-stop Flo Rida and like you would have loved it but I was kind of like this is just not the vibes right and we were like playing a game and Flo Rida was blasting in my ear just like on repeat and I just looked over at Claire and I was like she's gonna lose it I was like enough with the Flo Rida did you say that yeah I did so you're like trying to play this game and it's like welcome to my welcome to my on a cycle just like just associating because I'm gonna say something controversial here yeah
Recession Pop, amazing. However, it was played so much that now it is... I'm sorry. I'm scared to say this right now, but it's cheesy. I am... I'm just going to leave. You know what I mean? No, it's corny. Yes, yes. It's corny. But still comforting. Yeah. Yeah.
Yes. And I feel like that's if we were to use a word to encapsulate the overall culture of like the late 2000s, early 2010s, it's corny. Corny. Like mustache. Like
Oh my God. Like my session, like a fedora. And the black rinse glasses. Yes. Like the like quirky. But I think as millennials, we should lean into that and stop pretending to be Gen Z because like I miss coming up with like an amazing Instagram caption and having it be curated. Like I'm not good with photo dumps because I'm like, that's not who I am. Yeah. And I almost like wish that we could tap into our cheesiness. Yes. And not pretend to be cool. I know. You know what I mean? They're so mean to me.
They're so mean to us. It's like, why? They're so mean, but give them five more years and they will be us. That's true. They're scary. Of course. I love them. I don't even know what they're going to be like. They're like fucking losers. They're kind of going back to mean girls when we were in eighth grade vibes where they're like, you're all too soft. They're mean to Gen Z. They bully them. I love it. Fascinating. I know. And now we're just like the wine aunties. Yeah. And I love that. Yeah. The wine aunties. Yeah. Yeah.
This term has recently been applied to a new generation of mainstream music, as previously said, including songs by Sabrina Carpenter, Chapel Roan, Charli XCX, of course, recession pop icon Lady Gaga. And some say that the current economic climate and overall sense of dread we have as a country has created the perfect conditions for a recession pop revival. I will say, I feel like you were talking about how Flo Rida was ruining the vibes for some reason. Okay.
I'm so sorry. I knew this was not a safe space to say that. No, I'm going to look into this camera right now. If any Rammys have some hookup to a Flo Rida concert and you want to send me a private link or something, I want to go. If Flo Rida's manager is listening right now, or Flo Rida himself. Hannah, Flo Rida is playing at Bottle Rock in Napa in May. Did you know? What are the dates?
the dates. It's over, is Memorial Day in May? Yeah. That's late. That's late May. Late May. Botter Rock is very fun. It's fun for the millennial girlies. Yeah. I guess I'll be going. I know. We like truly considered it. Yeah. I'm like, with what money? Who's to say? It's my last 20 bucks that I'm going to spend on Botter Rock. That's my recession pop anthem. We are going to take a pause for a short break here and then we'll return.
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Now I just want to dig into Recession Pop as a set piece in our lives, because as we were previously discussing, even before we got on the mic, I just find this time period to be glorious and these songs to be incredibly evocative. So I kind of just want to ask you both, like, kind of about, we were sort of already touching on it, but like your herstory during this time, where were you? What were your favorite artists at this time? Songs that made you feel alive? I want to hear all of it. Please take it away, Tess.
So during this time, I would say I was more of an indie pop girly. I was very like Vampire Weekend and Passion Pit. And like that was like really my thing. And that was even ignited more when I went to college in San Francisco and then really leaned into my hipster era. So I was pretty preppy in high school, too. And then I got to San Francisco and I was like, I smoke weed and like listen to Phoenix, you know, on repeat. So I was more like in that era.
But God, I mean, it really just does remind me of college, pre-gaming, drinking heavily. I was really into Katy Perry. She was like my pop queen. So I went to all of her concerts. You were very much a Katy cat. I had my 20th birthday was Katy Perry themed and the outfits were amazing. People went all over. I did the white strapless like tube top dress with the candy and the blue wig.
Oh, yeah. And then had candy nails. Like, they were all, like, had, like, sprinkles on them. That's so cute. That night, it was a disaster, but that's for a different time. That's for premium. That is, maybe not even for premium. But, yeah, college also had some darkness in it. But, yeah, Katy Perry was, like, my pop queen, I would say. But I loved, like, I always went to my, like, concert place we went to in high school. We'd go back in college, and we'd go for Kesha, Flo Rida, I'm So Sorry. Oh, yeah.
Okay, I don't like actively hate Flo Rida. You're like, this has been a constant in my life. I'm going to have to make a public announcement to Flo Rida. A written apology. Yeah, truly. But yeah, I loved the pop. I love pop music. But I was very indie. You need to go to Just Like Heaven Fest in Pasadena. We went for her birthday. When? Last year? Two years ago.
Two years ago. Two years ago. I was there. You were there two years ago? I didn't even know if we knew each other at that point. No, we did because I remember that we like... That's right. And you were in the crowd with Ariana. Yes. Yeah. Ariana who? From Vanderpump Rules. You were with her? Yes. No, I ran into her. Oh, I was like, do you know her? No, but... Yes, you do, don't you? I've like hung out with her a handful of times, but we don't like text. Yeah. Yeah, we went to... MGMT and Empire of the Sun were like the big... The main reasons I wanted to go. Yes. And we had a nice time. Yeah. We did. We...
Really did. Clubs are immaculate, just like heaven, because it's just a bunch of, like, civilized millennials. So peaceful. But also, it's in Rose Bowl. It's not in the stadium, but it's at Rose Bowl, and it's gorgeous in Pasadena with the mountains and everything so green and the sunset. It felt like it took...
400 years to get in there. Well, it did. We also took a party bus there where people peed in cups on the way over. Talk about that was like a day that I actually was like, I want to drink in the morning. I want people to be insane on the bus and everyone delivered. Yeah. And that they were. Yeah. Last year before my sister and I went, we like took several shots of tequila and we're like, not sure who we think we are, but it's also such a long day. And it's like the temperature is like so sensible that it's, you don't really get that fucked up.
fucked up no it's really beautiful it was lovely I'd like to go again one year are you going this year yeah you are it's like your thing yeah it's the one music festival I attend because I'm not good in crowds yeah it's so fair it's fair yeah but for just like heaven fest I literally think feel free to cut this or not when I'm gonna go to a concert or music festival I think are these bands worth dying for would I be okay dying here
I just like having a festival. Yeah, I would die like at a Passion Pit show. That would be like such a millennial way to go out. Oh my God, it would. I'm so glad you reminded me of that. Yeah. A little sleepyhead. Yeah. Also Matt and Kim. Sorry, now I'm just going to start like naming. Oh my God, Foster the People.
Well, so Tess's experience, I'm listening to it. I'm like, fuck, I don't want to go after her now because like, no, it's so cool. Again, I had no idea who these people are like in high school and recession pop, except for Passion Pit at summer camp. We had our counselors introduced Passion Pit to us. We had two dances a week at camp and they were so fun. You got to dance with boys. And I'll never forget the first time
I heard Sleepyhead and it became like our camp song. And I still think like, give me the ox. I will put Sleepyhead on at every party and everyone. Oh my God. I'm like, I have the butterflies when I'm thinking about that song right now. It sounds like rainbows in your head. It does. You guys put on Passion Pit by Sleepyhead. Have you seen the behind the scenes when they first started making it with all the kids? No. And they're like, come on, like start. And the kids are like, da, da, da, da, da. And they're like, yeah. And I'm like, this was a time in history that we will never get back.
Amazing. But like I never listened to any. I like still don't really know a Phoenix. Like I think I would know a Phoenix song if I heard it. Yeah, you would. And then Empire of the Sun, we saw them, right? They're Walking on a Dream. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which like I think all of that is great. I just never really listened to it growing up. Totally. But I listened and I was in high school. Like Party in the USA, I remember specifically dancing to at Homecoming like in the Rotunda. I listened to a lot of country music at this time though. It's okay. But that's cool.
Country music was a little better, but it was still... I don't like bro country, so I'm going through a therapy session. Yeah, but you were listening to like... You know every song by the Chicks and Kacey Musgraves. That's really cool. Well, Kacey's first album came out at this time, so I was obsessed with that. I was obsessed with Taylor Swift at this time, too. And then the pop music. You manifested being friends with Taylor Swift. Literally. She did? That's so trippy. I know. It was... Yeah. Because...
I was auditioning for her music video one time and I didn't know it was her music video and they were like, what were you listening on the way over here? I was like, I was blasting Taylor Swift. And they were like, how did you know this is for a music video for her? Talk about a... Manifestation. A like recession pop look that we are never ever getting back together. Yeah.
Like that time for her. Very twee. The time. Yeah. A little hat. Yeah. A little Oxford shoe. Always a little hat. A little Pinocchio shoe. I was obsessed with Oxford flats. They were so cute. I liked them too. Yeah. I thought they were great. I think they're so cute.
I think they're still cute, actually. I could see those coming back in like two years. Same. Yeah. Same. We're almost there. We're flats are like the first. Ballet flats. Yeah. Totally. Or mine. Totally. Oh, I have another recession pop person that I loved. Florence and the Machine. I always loved Florence. That was important.
Yeah. Very important. Yeah, I agree. A poet. Yeah, she made me feel like deep. Yes. That you were like, I'm smart because I love her. Yes, I'm deep. I feel things deeply. I'm an actor. I'm an artist. I saw her at the Hollywood Bowl like a week after I moved to LA and the weekend opened for her. It was incredible. She is perfection. She really is. When her and Lady Gaga collabed on Joanne. Wait, they did? Yeah, they sang, hey girl.
Oh, right. Oh, wait. But I was a Lady Gaga fan from the start, too. I was sending you guys pictures. I went to see Lady Gaga in Oklahoma City in 2011. And I know that you love Lady Gaga. Yes, but I was kind of late to it. Sorry, what were you going to say? No, no, no. I was going to say, but you were saying you weren't a little monster until...
I was a little monster. I was, okay, so like Just Dance came out and I was like not that into it. And then Poker Face came out, not that into it. Then Bad Romance came out and everything changed. Everything changed. And I was like, this is my identity now. Like my friends like who were monsters before me like taught me the choreo. We would do it at parties. Like it was like very important. I remember being in Forever 21 and hearing Lady Gaga and just being like.
This is everything. I love Just Dance. I loved it. So good. I fell off of Lady Gaga, I don't even know when. Probably during Joanne. 2016? But it might have been a little bit before that. But I remember being like, I want to watch Five Foot Two and stuff. But in her recession pop era, I loved. Yeah. It was really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
The same. The same monster. Tess is like, and I'll leave it at that. The Rammys know how Tess feels about- Hey, I don't need to- Complicated. I don't need to talk about it today. I feel complicated with her too. Like when she's really in the theater kid energy, it's a lot. It's tough for you. It's just triggering for me personally. Yeah. Yeah. But she's always been like an ally. I mean, she's incredible. She's an amazing person. Like she's an amazing person and artist. Like I literally am like, she's great. She just triggers me personally after a star is born. Yeah.
Yeah. And the documentary, to be honest. I mean, I think what's hard about, like, I think about her and Ariana Grande as people who are so at the fucking top of their game, like, literally doing what they were put on this earth to do, but they're so good at performing that you're almost like,
Is any of this genuine? Like, am I really? And it's like there's an argument to be made for like maybe it's not our business to know pop stars on a deep personal level. And we have like weird parasocial relationships with celebrities. But it's like I'll see like a really sweet moment with either of them. And I'm like, I know you're always just kind of like, are you human? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was your your experience with Recession Pop? I mean, I really think I know that there are haters out there being like Hannah. Yeah.
We fucking get that you miss college. Like, if you don't shut the fuck up about 2000 – This is how I feel, too. Get a fucking life. And I'm like, I can't say that, like, I don't have anything I'm happy about now. But, like, of course I was happier when I was, like, doing theater with my friends all the time and, like, had no responsibilities and, like, no job. And all I had to do was just, like, turn out looks and go to class and party. Yes, a great time in life.
Come on. And like house party culture, like where the fuck did that go? I love a house party. I know. And you bring back house party culture and I attempt to as well. It is just important. It's important. It really is for people's mental health. Yeah. But you know what I miss about a college house party is like the random uninvited people showing up where you're like a little mad. The group and you're like, can I make out with one of them? Yeah. Or like seeing your crush like walk through the door of a party and you don't know if they're going to show up or not. And then you see them and you're like, oh my God. Your like stomach drops and you're like, I love my outfit tonight.
When I would host parties in college and random people would show up, I would go into like, I was Dorinda Medley, and I would literally be like, wow, so disrespectful. You didn't introduce yourself to me. You didn't bring anything. Like, it was always a joke of like, oh, God, Tess is going to get mad if strangers walk through. And I'd always be like, you need to respect my house. I cooked. I made it nice. That was literally me. But love seeing strangers at other people's parties.
No, I'm the same way. There was one time my friends and I, my roommates and I had like a Mad Men themed party. I had one too. In 2010. Yeah, it was like around that time. And there was like some underclassmen who showed up that we like had beef with. And we were like, why would they come? Why would they come? But like we loved the drama.
Of course. You know, you've got to lean into it. But also I'm like, looking back, I'm like, good for fucking them. I would have been way too scared to show up as an underclassman to like an up, like a bitchy upperclassman party speaking about myself. What's an underclassman? Like a freshman to a junior? Okay. It was a freshman and sophomore. I think I was a junior and they were sophomores at the time. And like, and now we all keep in touch on Instagram and everything's lovely, but you know, like petty college drama. Yeah, exactly. Um, I miss like,
LMFAO a lot in like Jersey Shore culture. Yes. You know? Yeah. LMFAO. I'm like, I feel like I might have seen LMFAO in concert. Yeah. Like it's really buried in my mind. What happened to them? What happened to them? One of them, their dad started Motown. I thought you were going to say they're dead. Oh God, same. I was just going to go no. One of them, they're dead. They're dead. Sorry to tell you. They're dead. Yeah. It's funny because they're not dead. There's a little nepotism in the word of School of Rock. One of them, dad started Motown.
So why are they irrelevant now? I know. It's a great question. But what happened to bands? What happened to bands? Why aren't there like bands? Well, 1975. Oh, yeah, that's true. But I almost think of, I mean, they're a band, but I think of it as Matt Healy. Yeah.
And same with Bleachers. That's just jackass. I know. I love Bleachers, though. Bleachers, to me, gives almost the... I guess that's indie pop. Similar vibes. Similar vibes, and I love it. Same. Their latest album was so good. I feel like we need to send you a playlist of the best indie of 2010, and you will be obsessed. I actually loved Fun, and then Bleachers, but I loved it at that time. I was dipping my toes in. Dipping your toes, yeah. Yeah. I feel like now...
Now I feel like every band just sounds like Gautier. Oh my God, I loved Gautier. I'll never forget being in high school and playing that for my high school boyfriend and be like, prepare for your world to be changed. Was it? Yes, of course. You know who passed on that song? Katy? Katy Perry. Oh my God. She says it's the biggest regret of her artistic life that she was like, I was like, I don't know what the song is. I bet. What's her name? Kimber or something like that? The singer? Yeah. No, no.
I got eyes for Melva.
I think that she's like Australian or something like that. She would be, respectfully. Is that one of the best songs of all time? I really think that it is. It's like incredible. Did I tell you this story about, okay, so like, you know, like every apartment building in a college town is like literally made out of like sawdust. Like the walls don't exist. You guys will be good. Yeah. And there were these like three straight guys who lived across the hallway from us and they were like kind of dorky, but we were like friends with them. And one time, one of them was like going through it and
And played that song on re- I've been there. We've all been there. I was like seven hours. Like when it came out and I remember my boyfriend at the time was like, is everything okay? Like you're in a happy relationship and you're just like laying in bed.
Always thinking about an ex. No, I've definitely been in that phase, though, on repeat on that song. Yeah. You're Joseph Gordon-Levitt in 500 Days of Summer just listening to that song. Truly. Yeah, I was going to rewatch that movie, and I'm not in the place to do that right now, but I want to soon. Can I make an apology to you on this podcast right now? To me? I think about it often. What? For your birthday, I got you single AF cocktails, thinking that that was a thoughtful gift, and...
I think you were like going through a breakup like very shortly after, if not during your birthday. And I was like, I'm so insensitive. It wasn't with my long-term person. It was the end of a situation. I know, but you were sad about it. That I'm like right back in the same place. Oh. Okay, great. So it's fine now. But I literally, I got you like a mixer in that book. And I was like, oh, that's like cute because she's in her like hot girl, single girl era. Oh my God, that's such a sweet present. It's so cute. I literally was like, this is perfect. But then, no, you don't even need to say that. Thank you. But then I feel like shortly after you were like sad about it and I knew and I was like,
No. Oh my God, not at all. I was not sad about the book. I was sad about the situation and shit, man, not being there. That's a great gift. Oh my God. That's such a great gift. I didn't want you to, every time you wanted to make yourself a drink, see that book. Oh my God, no, I remember you texting me about that being like, I feel awful and I was like. I couldn't remember if I actually did that or if it was.
It was an idea. No. And I was like, she would have told me if it made her sad. It did not at all. She was like, this is so sweet. I thought it was so clever and perfect. You've given me great gifts also, the Joan Didion book. You're a good gift giver. Yeah, you really are. Because you pay attention. And you're good gift givers because you pay attention. You got me my favorite candle for my birthday. It was the Mason-Louis. Yeah, Marie, number four. Bought it back. I love that.
one so much. She's elegant, girly. I do my best. I wasn't during the Recession Pop era. No one was. Who was? No one was. Except for Obama. It's going to keep bringing him up when I write a game. I bet he liked indie pop a lot and Recession Pop. I bet him and Michelle were just like grooving. When did they start the playlist? I don't know. You should do that. It's like
I don't know why I'm calling you out for this, but make Obama's playlist indie pop, though. We should do that for Ram. Oh, my. We'll do that for the Carousel. You must. That's cute. You must. Do you watch Newlyweds? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. She should come back on for just a Newlyweds episode. Yes. I think about them all the time because he was such a dick to her. And I saw something on Valentine's Day of the Ashley Simpson show where she's like, you didn't even get me a card or anything. Ryan Cabrera? Yeah. Wow.
That was so good because she did that voice in the elevator. Yes. I stood in line. We got checked out of school and we stood in line for Ryan Cabrera concert tickets and then we won them for a radio contest. It's very like you. On the way down. No, anyone actually won those. Yes, we did. And then we went backstage and I'm sure he was like, who are these seven-year-olds? He probably loved it. He's like, thank God I have fans. Yeah. So true. Yeah. He opened for Jessica
for Sweetest Sintour. Yeah, of course. We all were wearing matching gadzooks. Do you guys remember gadzooks? Yes. Tops that were very inappropriate for elementary school girls. Gadzooks was like a store kind of like Wet Seal. Wet Seal. Wet Seal. What a name. Not Wet Seal. I remember a Wet Seal. Now we're just going on a tangent and I'm here for it. I'd say. Also, you guys are going to have to tell me when we're at time.
Whatever. There's no time. I remember at Wet Seal, like, in the fitting rooms, like, I was going there with my sister at, like, the age of 12. We'd be, like, like, my mom would, like, drop us off at the mall, like, during her lunch break and we would just, like, beat pop around. But I remember there was a sign in their fitting rooms that was, like, it's okay if you steal, like, steal our bracelets. We'll give you this free pair. And it was handcuffs. Oh, my God. Like, you'll get these bracelets for free. And you're, like, 10. Yeah. And I was, like, what?
Wet Seal was intense. It was like very intense. Wait, did you guys have the store Rampage? No. Rampage? Rampage. I don't think we had Rampage. It was like Wet Seal adjacent and also Arden B was like shit.
I don't know what that is. And Bebe. Bebe, I know. And Bebe. And Bebe. You know what's also recession pop era? BCBG. All my prom dresses were BCBG. Oh, my God. That was like where the It Girls got their prom dresses. Where else would you have gotten it from? I just did not know. Yeah, I don't know. Mine was from some department store. A lot of the girlies were Jessica McClintock. Hello? Oh, my God. Mine were all just hand-me-downs from my cousin and my sister.
for their formals. That's smart. Yeah. And tell us in your prom. The blue one? No, the red one. Oh, that one had quite the back. You were essentially like... It didn't have a back. No back. I need to see a pic. I'll show you. And put on the carousel. I'm sure your tan was insane. Of course. I've been getting spray tans since I was 13. They've come a long way since then. Yeah, they have. I'll tell you. I got a spray tan for eighth grade graduation. So I was like 12. And I remember this kid that I went to school with was like, you look like Elphaba from Wicked but Orange. And I was like,
And I was like, oh. I thought I was such hot shit. And then some kid told me I was orange Elphaba. And I was like, that was not what I was going for. Well, that's that on character building. Yeah. Hello. I had to be funny because of the trauma. I think it was for 2020. Well, it's probably for the best. I was wasting so much time. I know. I was wasting so much time. I mean, it is healthier than, say, a bed. It is? Yeah. I went to a bed for senior prom. I said, I'm not risking looking like Elphaba again. I'm doing this the right way. You're like, I'm doing it the real way. Yeah.
Like a real woman. Give me those movies. Literally. That was pretty much the end of my notes at this point. We could talk forever. No, I literally... We really could. God. I'm just like trying to make sure that we didn't forget anything. I know. Because there were so many iconic moments with pop, recession pop, because of Gaga, really. The meat dress, the egg. The egg. The egg.
Yes, also her VMAs performance where she was like dripping in blood. Blood, yeah. She's like, mama. That's when I checked out mentally. I'm not going to lie. I remember like watching that live and my like really good friend and roommate was a little monster before me. And I remember looking at her during that performance before I was in the gallery being like, are you fucking seriously into this person? Like BFFR. Yeah. And then Bad Romance came out like a month
played her and I was like nevermind that and we all talked about Speechless Speechless gorgeous that song is stunning that song will wreck me yeah well I guess also during this time like music videos were just so good and like what came to mind such an intense like I think there was an intensity to them like do you remember the Rihanna
Just gonna stand. With Eminem? Yes. I thought that you were talking about. I was like. And Disturbia. I was like, this is like a feature film about, truly about being in a physically abusive relationship. And the We Thought Love video. Oh, my God. I thought. So good. With Rihanna, you were going to talk about the, I don't want to do this anymore.
I don't want to be a murderer. That music video is stunning. It's so intense. Work of art, really. Rihanna is recession pop. She is. She really is. She can do no wrong. Umbrella? Umbrella. Oh my god. What music videos did you guys make in your theater kid era with your friends? What did we not make? Okay, you need to answer this first because I'm not certain.
Oh, we, we made so many home videos. Um, well we did seven things I hate about you, Claire shout and Lindsay, um, that are listening, loved Miley. Um, so we did that. I did the same ones as well. But I did, um, the, I don't want to do this anymore. Walking through my dad's house and looking in different mirrors. I was like, you get me from this shot. And Marty Michaels. Literally. I am what I am. You know what I mean? Oh,
talks about Lana. Lana's recession pop. Or is she right past it? I think her and Ellie Goulding. Ellie Goulding. I think they both count as recession pop. Very 2012? Yeah. It was 2012. Wait. And that's very Tumblr. Very Tumblr. Do you remember the song Anything Could Happen? Anything could happen? Oh my god. That song was like
End of college, me and my like two best friends to this day. Shout out Shayna and Liz. I remember us like putting that on the touch tunes at our favorite like Irish pub and like dancing senior year, like second semester of that song. Just being like. That song also, yeah, like represents recession pop. You're just like anything can happen. The night is young. I am gorgeous. Yes. We have no money. We have no hope. But we do have recession pop. Exactly. I don't know how to have sex still, but I hope I do tonight. Yeah. Oh, my God.
The more things change, the more they say the same. I was so scared of being fingered. I didn't have sex until I was like 22. Good for you. Oh, really? Good for you. Not for religious reasons. I was just so scared. Well, I got fingered and it was terrible because no one knew what they were doing. And they didn't realize that it wasn't about the penetration. It was about the motion of the ocean. Just about the outside. It was about the outside. It always goes back to fingering. It always goes back to fingering.
Always. And I remember the first time that actually was like, like it was effective for me, like in a positive way. I literally was like, I think I'm going to pee. I mean, truly. I'm just kidding. I literally was so frightened. And that's what recession means to me. Yeah.
green no not there's nothing there's nothing better than a little you know yeah we appreciate foreplay here of course the art of a hand job also I think we've been lost no yes on the holiday I was just watching the holiday and Jude Law's like how do you feel about foreplay and she's like overrated he's like god I
I love you. I was like, what? Shut up. Cameron Diaz. She's so pick me energy. I never cry and I hate foreplay. Shut up. You're so annoying. You're not a friend of mine. It's crazy that a woman wrote that character actually. It feels like a man would have written her. 100%. Cry every day. Love foreplay. Yeah, please. My two favorite things, crying and foreplay and naps. What more could you want? Literally. Come on. They're so good. What? What?
We all just were like. Yeah, just like, ha. What recession pop artist who maybe has lost a little bit of relevancy would you love to see make a comeback? That is a great question, Anna. Who are some that come to mind? Go.
I have one. Say it. Do it. I don't know. Is this Recession Pop? This actually might be too early. No, please. Nelly Furtado? Sure. I think it's a little early. I think that's like early 2000s, like 2005. Ignore her. Yeah, but she's still amazing. She's amazing. Her songs are, they slap, okay? But I'll, you go. I was thinking, which actually now it might be too late because I think she's more like 2013. Do you ever listen to Ren Weaver? Mm.
Ren Weaver was like such a moment for me in time. She sings Octahate that's like, lost in the sun in the sun. I would not have known her unless it was for you and us. She's one of my favorite, like that album actually is probably top three of my favorite albums of all time. I'll send it to you guys after. Send it to me. I need to listen. You're going to love it. And she did tweet the other day being like, something's finally coming. She dated Benny Blanco, who was like terrible to her. She went to NYU. Anyway, I would love to see her come back. Yeah. Oh my God. Who are some that are like, have fallen off? Black Eyed Peas, All My Theo. Yeah. Um.
I mean, Gaga's returning to form. True. You said. Neo. Oh, yeah. Neo. Is he problematic? No, he is in a polygamous relationship. I was literally with some girlies this weekend. So he's in the mix. Yeah. He literally kissed his three wives or whoever they are to him before he went on stage. I think he's from Arkansas. Is he? So he was like, see you after the show. Literally. And we were like, what order would you want to be in if you were one of the women? You know what I mean? Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Because it's like save the best for last maybe or is it like then you disregard it? But then you have to kiss all the other. Exactly. I wouldn't want to be the middle one. I'd want to be first. I wouldn't want to be any of them. Oh, my God. Save it. Couldn't be me. Yeah. Oh, Neo. Wow. Who do you want to see come back? Yeah. I mean, Flo Rida. Flo Rida. This episode should just be titled Flo Rida. But you know what also sucks? I'm going to say something. This is controversial.
I wish that Chris Brown never did the things that he did so that we could still enjoy his music. And still listen to Forever in the Car. Because, oh my God. You talk about a recession pop king. Like, it fucking sucks that he's such a bad person because those songs are so good. And like, planning my wedding playlist, my like reception playlist, I was like, I wanted it to feel like a college house party. Yes. So it was a lot of recession pop at my wedding. David Guetta. Sorry. I also want him to make a comeback. Oh, what a time. Yeah. He was on like every song. But like,
I was like, Jake, we can't play Chris Brown. He's like, no. And I was like, that's so sad. This is a controversial question I have for you guys. If you could play one song that you're not supposed to play. Well, we know what yours is, Tess. You're like wanting to say it so bad. Keep going. I don't think I should even say. It's like almost too bad. She loves this one song that we all love. I feel like you bring it up weekly now. No.
You're mourning the loss of it. When we had our talk with our DJ who's coming to our wedding a couple days ago, he told us a story that they requested this. Another couple requested to play it on the dance floor. It's Ignition. I'm just going to say it. I don't listen to it anymore. I would not play it on Spotify. One time I did play it on a YouTube fan site so he wouldn't get the plays. Okay, I love that. But on the dance floor, they were like, we want to play Ignition and everyone wants to listen to it. And he was like, are you sure? And they were like, yes. And so then the whole party did. And I was like, I would never play it.
I would never. It does. But I miss that song. I will say I miss that song for what it was. Yeah, mine would be Yeah Three Times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to see you tonight. Wait, who sings that? Chris Brown. Oh, right, right, right. Yes. I remember the feeling of getting ready to that song, drinking some shitty vodka, being like, I know I'm going to see my crush tonight. And my outfit is so good. I borrowed my roommate's top. I have a smoky eye and a lip that blends in with my face. And I'm fucking...
ready to go and I just did my nails while watching Gossip Girl on Monday so they're fresh before we knew Thursday night was always the best going out night of the week it was it still is
If you're going out on Thursdays, I will be there. I'll go to the West Side. Oh my God. Let's do a 2010 Thursday night. Let's do it. Let's get margaritas and then let's go out. Let's do it. Mark off Friday because nothing's happening that day. I'll be throwing that properly. Claire and I always cancel work on Fridays. We're just like, we'll deal with this on Monday. And everyone cancels work on Friday. Of course. I shouldn't be a day. I don't really online.
We're in a recession anyways, so. Please. God, should I not have said that about Ignition? No, I really think that. I don't think you're alone in that. Also. Guys, you know it's just the song. Yeah, no, I'm not worried about it. That's the thing. We have a nostalgic tie to this music. That's like the whole theme of the episode. Exactly. Exactly. You're not condoning his behavior. No, no. I would never listen to him. I would never listen, but I do miss him.
That, of course. I mean, Lady Gaga, like, collabed with him after those allegations were floated around. She did? She did. On ArtPop. And then she had it removed from, like, her entire discography. You cannot find that song. Well, thank God, unlike Katy Perry, who's actively making music with, what's his face? Dr. Luke. Well, she's like, yeah, he's the producer. Well, I mean, he has a whole publishing company that, like, who knows? So many artists are...
Can I say something about Katy Perry without being offensive? Yes. I know we're, I know we're, we got to wrap up soon, but I'm like, how long have we been going? I could go for hours. No, that's my problem. Same. Please say it. This is safe, safe space. Well, Claire started it. Um, Katy Perry. I was, I recently nailed down what bothers me about Katy Perry and it's that everything. It's actually everything. It was her on call her daddy actually. No, um, that was a tough interview. She, she's like, I'll,
Stop. Yeah, I was like, stop. I was like, I don't need to know. No, it's that I feel like artists like Lady Gaga...
decide what's cool whereas Katy Perry waits to see what's cool and then plans her next album around that so she's always a little late to everything like the Miley Cyrus hair the Dr. Luke of it all that's actually a great 10 years ago that's a great observation but feels inauthentic and it's not that she doesn't have the talent to back it up it's that I don't think she as an artist knows what she wants to say or if she does she's not working with people who are letting her put it out in the way she wants to put it out
And I think what separates artists like Sabrina Carpenter and Chapel Roan and Charlie XCX is like, these are... And Beyonce with Cowboy Carter, it's like, these are albums where it's like, that artist was like, this is what I'm fucking doing. And you're gonna get on board or not. And I don't really give a fuck. And we were all like...
I know. When did that change for her? Because I think she was so comfortable in her. One of the boys, Thinking of You is such a good song. One of the best, one of the most heartbreaking songs of all time. And she wrote that on her own. That whole album she wrote on her own. And also Teenage Dream, every song she wrote. Oh my God. And it broke records. Every single song on that album was a number one single. Teenage Dream is so good. That whole album and that song. I know. And then she just kind of got like...
She questioned herself, I think. It was the Chain to the Rhythm album that like is, and the swish, swish, bish. It's the blonde haircut. That is when it changed. It was like Samson and Delilah. Yeah. She cut her hair and lost her powers. Lost her powers. And then she collabed with that weird backpack kid that was good at flossing. Oh my God. I blame John Mayer. I blame John Mayer. Wow. They dated, didn't they? She and kept getting back together. Same thing with Jessica. Yeah. They were always trying to save him. She says that like to this day, because Call Her Daddy asked her best lovers of her life.
And she said John Mayer's the best sex that she's ever had. And then Orlando. And then Diplo. Wow. That would be hard for me to say. That? Like your husband just watching? I see. That's crazy that she said that. Also, like, Diplo? Ew. I'm...
He's not a good person, but he is hot. Okay. To each their own. I'm not into DJs. Except Dom Dalla. Have you seen this man? No. That mustache is mustaching. And I'm officially really done with mustaches after being on Hinge for a week. My God, we've got to stop with the mustaches. But Dom Dalla, you keep it. I think I like a little DJ, like a little douchey DJ, actually. Yeah, a little dirty. When I saw Kygo, all of us were like, he's so cute. He's the same font as Dippin' Dots.
Diplo, Dom Dalla. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, Dom Dalla. Who did you say was hot? Kygo. Kygo. What's he look like?
Oh. Let me see him. He's just like a guy. He's just like a Swedish. Oh, he's cute. Isn't he cute? He's cute, Jess. Oh, he's cute, Jess. He is cute. He looks like David Guetta to me. I also forgot that you said Beyonce. No, he doesn't. Beyonce was everything in high school to me. For that album, we used to just sit in a Walmart parking lot and listen to that. And then Beyonce. And I also saw her in Oklahoma City. You could see that I was not from a town where concerts were going to. How old did you get to Oklahoma City? I don't know.
Um, three hours. Tulsa is two hours. That's where I saw Jessica.
But now it's starting to come to my town, Marcus Walmart. But this is an episode on Arkansas. It could be. Well, it should be. No one wants that. It could be. Well, this was fun as hell. This was so, like, we needed this. We needed this. Thank you so much for having me. Let's do, first of all, let's do our pregame night where we go out. Let's have you back on and talk more pop culture. I think that we should also, if you're down, have you on premium. So, like, because we've all been in LA for a long time. We have stories to tell. Oh, my God. And I can talk more about getting fingered.
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