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Welcome back to Write Answers Mostly, a podcast on what you didn't learn in history class, but you really wanted to. My name is Tess Palomo. And my name is Claire Donalds. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. What a week, you guys. Like, I mean, I'm so looking forward to this episode. Same. We woke up and chose violence with this episode. Yeah.

We absolutely did. We got some messages from people being like, are you sure you want to do this?

generally our Rammys because they know the journey that we've been on I mean hello we covered Justin Blake we covered Meghan Markle like we've been preparing for war yeah something about this year has just been like whatever you know what I mean whatever and like any engagement is good engagement and that's the truth we have figured out so it's like might as well just have some people hate us and people love us yeah I can't can't wait to get into it how are you by the way also clocking that Madewell necklace

You recognized it? I sure did because I've been frequenting Madewell recently. Yeah, I think I'm just kind of trying to explore a little chunky jewelry again. Like it was so dainty for so long and now I'm kind of into like a little bit more, especially for necklaces. I think it's just so chic to have like a bunch on with like a plain top. So if you're watching on YouTube or Spotify. Very Countess Luann. How could you say something like that to me before I start hosting? The silence was deafening. She's like, oh.

What an insult. No, I'm just, you know, relating you to your Taurus sister. Yes, and her beautiful jewelry and her jewelry line that everyone loves and adores. I'm crying. I'm so sorry. No, you look gorgeous. Thanks, Claire. Oh, my God. But yeah, I'm great. How are you? I'm good.

I'm doing much better. Yesterday, I had such a shit day and Tess really helped me get through it. So thank you so much. But I had a lunch with my friend Gina and it was in like a completely different part of town. I was like, oh, should I cancel because I'm having such a bad day? No, it's so nice to get out of your neighborhood. And you know what really saved the day for me? Say it. A BLT.

There is nothing like a really good BLT. I mean, Lord knows a bad BLT can actually set you into a true spiral. A spiral. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But got a crunch. The sour... Was it on sourdough? It was. And you know, I'm not the biggest sourdough girly, but I'm trying to evolve. It's really good on a BLT. I think it's the only way to do it. I'm going to say it. Well, I do love like a chunky wheat, but...

But the sourdough was sourdoughing and it was just like so fresh. It's like tomato season. We're getting into it. So I'm just, and if you're a vegan, you know, have you ever heard of a TLT, a tempeh? I love tempeh. I think it's so good. Love tempeh. So that really turned my day around and it was great conversation. Thank you, Gina. And lastly, there's a hummingbird nest outside of my window. And I think I'm going to make this hummingbird my personality.

Wait, so what's her official name is Joan? Her official name is Joan after Joan Didion and like Joni Mitchell. I know that they're spelled different ways, but really Joan Didion. Oh, okay. Yeah.

And she's nesting and like I really think that I'm her mama and she is my baby. And so yeah, I'll keep you guys updated on my hummingbird journey. She found you. She did though, like when I needed her the most. She was like, I got you this weekend, girlfriend. I got you. Yeah. So that's where I am. Tell me about you. Not much is going on. I am going to my mini moon this weekend. We're going to Napa. Yeah.

which I haven't been to Napa in a long time. We used to go a lot like when I lived in the Bay and then a lot of like 21st birthdays were there and it was like very much a place in my younger twenties. And now we're going back for the mini moon. It would be a very more luxurious experience, which I'm excited for. Oh, I can't wait. Um, we've taken two girls trips for my family to Napa and tear the place up. Uh, so we're waiting on if we can get into French laundry. Um,

You guys, if you don't know, French Laundry is a Michelin star restaurant. It is like the Michelin star restaurant, I feel. It's like impossible to get into. It's like literally one of the best restaurants in the country. I'm just picturing you TikToking it, being like, Tik and all. You might have like TikTok this whole experience. He's like, please don't ruin this for us. He's like, get out. But we have a connection there through friends. We're trying to see if we can get in, but –

We don't know. Helen knows the owner. Oh, you do? Well, I can't wait to hear if you do get into French Laundry and see the looks. Pray for us. Oh, yeah, we got some looks. I will be praying for you guys that you get into French Laundry.

Please, I want to go so bad. He'll be at the top of my prayer list. No, for real. Yeah, tell Joan Didion to put something out in the universe for us. Joan, you hear that, girlfriend? Can we put Joan? I'll post her on the story. Of course. I'd love her. She's a new member of the Ram fam. She is. She got merged, by the way.

She's like, I like a little crop top. Have my belly a little bit out. Hummingbirds have like the little bellies. Hummingbird heartbeat to bring it back to our Katy Perry episode. Wow. Thank you for taking it there, Tess. Thank you for taking it there. Of course. Of course. I actually really quickly, I did have a dream about Katy Perry last night and I decided to go to the concert by myself because no one wanted to go with me. Fair enough. And as I was leaving and went to the parking lot, I was robbed.

I do. Just these guys were following me. I was robbed. It was such a scary dream. That's the worst when you wake up and you can't shake it off. I mean, already with Katie in the dream, it would be scary enough. It was haunting. And like the concert was so bad. And like no one was in like the whole stadium. It was tough. Is she coming to LA? She is. She's going to the Forum. I mean, we talked about this. Like it's sad to me that she's not playing SoFi, which is the stadium in LA. Because it's like someone with that much, those many hits wouldn't...

would should be able to play stadium. I know Hannah and I looked at tickets to be like, what if we just went and said, fuck it all. And we were like, it's too expensive for like what it's going to be. And we also don't want to like feel angry and sad during a concert. And you would buy 100%. Yeah. It's just, it's not worth it. So that was my dream. Um, I'm so sorry. No, it's okay. But we're, we're here today to talk about, um,

Another person with number one hits. Exactly. Thank you. I was like struggling with the transition. Number one hits. Yeah, we just finally decided we need to cover Hayley, Justin, and Selena timeline. Wow. Oh my God. I am so excited for this episode. Yeah.

Same. What is your, because we're specifically be talking about like the three of them, the love triangle. We could do an entire episode on honestly, like each one as an individual, especially Justin. But we're going to be focusing on like the love in this little trio. What do you, what do you know? What are your thoughts?

Okay. Well, again, like we really should do a Justin Bieber episode and whoever thought that we would say that, but like, so I last night watched their YouTube series, the Haley and Justin, what is it called? Seasons or something like that, which I had no idea. It was like 10 minute episodes, which was very smart. Anyways. Yeah. I have never really been invested in the love triangle at all. You guys know how I feel about Selena Gomez. Yeah. Yeah.

She is. She's complicated for me. It's actually not that complicated. I don't enjoy Selena Gomez at all. You guys are watching on YouTube. Is she going to spill a little tea or no? Do you want me to? Do you want to? Selena Gomez and I are Eskimo sisters. Say it. Say it. Say it.

We need a premium episode on mine and Tessa's Eskimo sisters. But yeah, we are Eskimo sisters. That is some juicy tea, you guys. That's true. But that's not why I don't like her. I just don't vibe with her. And then like Justin Bieber, I was never a believer. Hailey Bieber, I think that she's gorgeous. When I was watching the doc, and we'll talk about it, but I was like, God, I mean, there's just so much of impact.

There's so much to unpack. I mean, she has grown into this like powerhouse and she was very much for so long his girlfriend, his wife. And now she's like, I mean, she's the it girl and it's sustained for years too. And it's also so crazy because when I think about Haley Bieber, we all forget like what was her maiden name, which the word maiden name seems so outdated now. Maiden name. I know it is crazy, isn't it? Yeah. Like you're a young maiden before you got married, but Haley Baldwin, like that's crazy. Yeah.

I know that she is a Baldwin. I mean, yeah, she's like, who's her dad? Um, Steven, I think. Yeah. He's like the least famous one. Well, I don't think he's the least famous one. I, he's very MAGA.

Is he? I think so. Interesting, because she is very not. Oh, is she not? No, not at all. Wow, that kind of surprises me. This girlie is always posting about Democratic things. Really? Okay. Interessant. I'm excited to get into it. But yeah, I'm not really... I mean, I'm invested, Luanne, but not so invested. Well, Claire, I think that's a beautiful place to be, and I think that's how we all should be going into this episode. Okay, so we're going to start the episode a little differently today. Okay. Okay.

And I would like you to perhaps do the Girl Scout little finger. What's it called? Girl Scout. Honor. Yeah, the Girl Scout. You can put your hand over your heart. You can put your hand to the sky. Whatever you need to do for the – put your hand to Joan Didion. I'm putting my hand to my hummingbird, Joan Didion. That's where it is right now. She's reaching out. Whatever you need to do, and I'd like everyone to participate at home, and I'd like you to repeat after me. We do not know any of these people personally. Okay.

We do not know any of these people personally. Although we feel we have claimed Justin by having a crush on him, he is now married and has a child with Hailey Bieber. Although we have felt that we have claimed Justin personally because we had a crush on him, he is now married Hailey with a child. Gorgeous. Although he was with Selena Gomez. He is not anymore. Although he was with Selena Gomez, he is not anymore.

We will fully never know what happened. And this timeline is just found and researched from sources on the internet. We will never fully know what happened. And this timeline is just found from sources on the internet.

And lastly, it is not possible for a woman to steal another woman's man. And lastly, it is not possible for a woman to steal another woman's man. Say it again, people. Amen. Thank you everyone for participating. I hope that we can all take a breath and go into this knowing that we can try not like pitting women against each other, even though we're going to talk about how the world has changed.

This whole podcast is to dismantle the patriarchy and to try to explore why we villainize women. And let's just stop. So we're going to go into it with that. And I think it's going to be interesting to break it down. I love that. I cannot wait. Well done, Tess. Gorgeous. So our source is Cosmopolitan.

She's our sexy drunk aunt, I think we said. Of course. Acrylic nails. It makes so much sense for this episode. Wikipedia, ChatGPT, and the YouTube documentary series, Seasons. Love. Okay. So...

Let's bring it back to 2011. Okay. What were you doing in 2011? I was in high school. I was either in my junior or senior year of high school. Love. I was in my sophomore year of college. And, you know, 2011 is a time of great success for the Biebs, you know? His voice just got deeper thanks to puberty. We love when that happens. And when that changed, it was literally like you take off your glasses and you're like, oh, you're like, he's...

He's a man now. Well, he was – He still wasn't, but you know. Yeah. He was such a little squirt. Like he was just a little menace, you know? He was like, ah, I'm going to pull your pants down when you're not watching. Well, that never left him, I don't think. Absolutely not. Yeah. Because even in the YouTube doc, I was like, you're still a child. Yeah.

You're still a child. 100%. So he's, you know, he's at the peak of his career. My World Acoustic is about to come out. That's what has like one less lonely girl. One time, you smile. Never Say Never, his documentary is about to be released. I will never say never. His book, which I didn't know, Justin Bieber, First Step to Forever My Story is on the shelves.

Okay. So would love to know his ghostwriter for that. Would like Celebrity Memoir Book Club to cover it. Girlies, hear our cry. If you're listening. And he even has, you know, he has a Christmas single out. Like I think you do know that you've made it when like all I want for, you can cover all I want for Christmas and it's a hit. It's like a number one hit. Well, he has his own Christmas song, Mistletoe. That's so good. Was I under the mistletoe? Was I under the mistletoe?

How is the melody for that? With you, only with you, with you. Oh, that's right. Yeah. That's right. Didn't think I'd sing so much in this episode, but here we are. We do every episode now. That's so true. That's who we are. And Selena Gomez, also thriving. Who Says is out. I Love You Like a Love Song.

Billboard just featured her in the top 21 under 21. She's starring in that comedy Monte Carlo with Leighton Meester. Oh, yes. That's right. Did you ever see that? No. I didn't either. I don't think I missed much.

Yeah. I was just never like on the Selena Gomez train. I actually think that she has like really fun pop songs. Yes. And I like a bunch of her songs, but I never watched like Wizards of Waverly Place. So like if she was in a movie or a show, I wasn't like running to go see it in 2011. I watched a little of Wizards of Waverly Place.

Yeah, that was like a little bit too, like I just had missed it in my age. Yeah, I even missed it a little. And you know, Hailey Bieber at this point, she's not in the zeitgeist. She's not a star. She's not even modeling until like the next few years. So we're just going to focus on Jelena. Jelena. So Jelena.

Is their couple name, if you guys don't know. They reportedly met in 2009 through their managers. Okay, so Scooter, and then I don't know who her manager was. Well, so what's interesting, Claire, is their meeting was arranged by their respective teams. And according to interviews, Selena's mom was a big fan of Justin Bieber. And I want to say that her mom managed her for a little bit. And she was the one...

Her mom is definitely stage mom vibes. Well, 100%. And she was like, you know who you should meet is Justin Bieber. And I want to get you guys in a room together, which I just think is interesting because people are so like, Haley's a star fucker. And like she tried to get in. And I'm like, what about Selena Gomez's mom setting them up? I mean, again, like Jelena fans will be like, no, it's just they were introduced to work together or whatever. And it's like, whatever. Yeah.

Yeah, so it is what it is. So they meet in 2009. They're spotted holding hands in 2010 in a paparazzi photo. And then they make their official red carpet appearance February of 2011 when they confirm their relationship on the red carpet at the Vanity Fair's Oscar party.

Okay, 2009, they both had to be... Well, I think Selena Gomez is like a year older than him. Because I think he's my age. They had to be like, what, 14 or 15? They were so young. Like, honestly, their whole relationship. Like, I think when...

I was first hearing about it. Like they're a little bit younger than me, but now like doing this research, I'm like, Oh my God, you guys were babies. No being 15 at the vanity fairs, Oscar party. Also like, do we have any stars right now that are 15 year olds that are like major? Maybe we do. And I just don't even like know about them. I know. It's like not even in my, in my sphere. Um, she was wearing, I don't know if you guys remember the pictures she's wearing, like, uh,

red floor length Dolce and Gabbana. And then he has a black tux and he has a red pocket square that matches also by Dolce and Gabbana. So they come and they're dressed the nines and people are like, holy shit. This is the couple. The couple, like so many headlines being like Bieber fever strikes on Oscar nights, like Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez show major PDA. So throughout the spring and the summer of this year, they're spotted on several dates, shopping, vacationing in Hawaii. Oh, oh my God. It's just,

like they did you child stars live in a different world than we do because like they could literally just like buy a house for the weekend in Hawaii when they're like 14 with their boy can you imagine like with your boyfriend no I can't at all like we were meeting at Walmart to walk around together that's what I was doing with my 14 year old boyfriend

I didn't have a boyfriend at 14. I really wish I did, but that wasn't in my cards. They're attending each other's performances and award shows. There's tons of paparazzi photos of them just like walking around, kissing, holding hands.

She was hospitalized after a performance for something in 2011. And there's paparazzi photos of like him visiting her with flowers. And everyone's like, he is so sweet. And like, he is such a good boyfriend. Well, because everyone at this time watching is like, he's also my boyfriend. Exactly. But Selena too was so, she was very like loved, you know, like,

She always has been. I mean, she was like, I don't know where she stands now, but she was the most followed person on Instagram for so long. Which is just so crazy because I think once again, it's just like I never fully got there with her. And I'm like, damn, people really love her. They attended the Teen Choice Awards together later that year. They both won and they're kissing backstage and everyone's like, it's never going to get better than this, is it? No. So a little backtrack to May of 2011, shortly after they went public, Hailey Bieber...

in a tweet that she has since deleted. I'm for sure 100% team Jelena. Okay, so she's team Jelena.

And this is really where people are like, you are such a creepy stalker. You're a fan. You've been watching the whole time. She also tweets later that year. I don't care what anyone says, but Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez together is the definition of a teenage dream. Teenage dream. Oh my God. It all comes back to Ram. It really has been going back to Katy Perry, which is like, how do we get here? And I'm like, how I would like to get out. We will soon. Yeah. Yeah.

I can feel it. Oh my God. So this is where the stalker, because I was always like, wait, what? Why is she a stalker? This is where that whole notion came from that she was like waiting for them to break up. I mean, Haley Bieber is a nepo baby, but she wasn't famous at this time. She's a normal teenage girl. Like, of course she was

love with Justin Bieber. You can't escape Justin Bieber. I mean, I wasn't in love with Justin Bieber because I was in love with like grown men at this time. But I was tweeting the same thing. It's like fangirling. I was like tweeting like about Christopher Walken probably, you know. Ed Helms. Ed Helms. All my bald men. All my bald middle-aged men. But yeah. Okay. So we've talked about this before too on Ram and we talked about it like on the Meghan Markle episode like

Isn't it the dream, right? To be a young girl when you have posters in your room. This happened with like Blake Lively and Leonardo DiCaprio, which I actually think people didn't talk about enough that she was like, he was my everything. Right.

And then we met and started dating. And no one was really giving her a hard time for once in her life, actually, about that. Yeah. Well, I don't think that a lot of people... Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think a lot of people know that Blake Lively and Leonardo DiCaprio dated. And there's old interviews of her of like, who's your childhood crush? And she was always like, Leo, of course. So it's just like...

I don't know. This shit happens all the time. Well, yeah, it's in Hollywood. And also like guys, just because you have a crush on them as a kid, like that shit fades. So it's not like there's some crazy stalker forever. And wouldn't you want this to happen to you? So like kind of when you get so upset about it, be like,

Just calm down. I will say that is humiliating for her. Like later on, but the tweets and I would delete it too. I would be like, fuck I'd, I'd hire like a crisis PR, which I'm sure that they have. Oh, of course. Like how do we, how do I get out of this? Of course. Okay. So November, 2012, Selena and Justin break up for the first time. Claire, they break up for the first time. Um,

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Number one, trust and jealousy issues. I mean, remember when you're 15, how you just are like, you looked at another woman and he's also like the biggest teen heartthrob in the world. And I would be very jealous too. Yeah. She's sensing that he's having some extracurricular activity. Yeah. And the reason why I assume that she was the one who was jealous is because like

Look at him. It's Justin Bieber. I mean, everyone, it was intense. Like he didn't grow up with it. The Bieber fever was, was real. Yeah. There were some rumors that he was already like starting to like canoodle with some other models, which we'll talk about later in the story. This kind of follows him throughout their whole relationship, but they also had busy conflicting schedules. They're two of the biggest stars in the world. There's media pressure and scrutiny, and they're also both very young and immature. I was just about saying, they're also like 18 years old.

Yeah, Selena did an interview with NPR in 2020 talking about it. And she said, you're in a phase of life where you experience love for the first time. And I think that can just be a little toxic.

Well, yeah. And also, again, it's not like normal teenage love. Like they're flying each other to Hawaii and like doing all of these crazy, really intense things. And then you're looking at like every time you go to the grocery store, there's a picture of being like Justin seen flirting with, I don't even know, like another star at this time. At 18, like that's so intense. Exactly. And so a source told people at this time, you know what? They're young. It changes from day to day. Right now they're broken up. It's probably not forever. Yeah.

And that was true, Claire, because they get back together in just a few weeks or a few weeks, a few months. Like the timeline is a little uncertain with this, but they are seen at the American Music Awards. They're also seen at the I think they like officially reconciled the American Music Awards, but they're seen at the Billboard Music Awards. And that's the whole thing with Taylor, right?

Talk about it. Talk about it. Okay. So that night he wins like a Lifetime Achievement Award or something like that. Like it's a big award. And the rumors were going on that he cheated on Selena. And they're there together. Backstage, he's waiting for her. There's footage. Like he is waiting around and someone taps him on the shoulder and it's like, she's coming. And she walks up with Taylor. And Taylor literally goes like doing like a gagging thing. It's so...

It's so Taylor, isn't it? It's the most Taylor thing that we've ever seen. Like she kind of was trying to make the whole night about herself. Like even when they're sitting in the audience and he goes up on stage, she like looks at her and she's like, are you okay? Like it's all very like, it's how he's acting high school, but they're all teenagers.

They are all teenagers. So it's like, who could blame them? And it's like crazy because our version of this would be like a yogurt shop and like your crush walks in. Their version is he's winning a Lifetime Achievement Award like at the Billboard Awards. And millions of people are watching you. It's crazy. So they're back for a hot second and then they split up again. And I had no idea that this whole timeline is literally like they're back together for two months. They broke up for two months. They're back together. Like it is so on and off. We'll probably never even like –

know the depths of it. But in November 2014, Selena and Justin break up for a second time. Selena confirms they've split when discussing her new single.

The heart wants what the heart wants. Oh my God. I was just, sorry. I was just reminded of that one performance where she sings this and she opens up and she goes, thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. They're all so religious. It's very intense. Religion in Hollywood. Jesus, Jesus is the main character in Hollywood, but you never know it. You would never know it. That is for sure. Um, so this time the rumors were that Justin was, um,

cheating on Selena with Kendall Jenner. That's right. He was like very in the Kardashian fam at this time. Well, there's also rumors that later on he hooked up with Kourtney. Do you remember? Yeah, no, I think that's like confirmed. Is it confirmed? Allegedly confirmed. But...

So Kendall Jenner rumors Selena unfollows him from Instagram. And this is like the first time that people are like, oh, they're officially breaking up because like he must have done something fucked up to her. What year is this? November 2014. Okay. Yeah.

And I think at this time, you know, they're like maturing a little bit and they sort of recognize, okay, what we're in is actually like a very dangerous cycle. And this has been happening for like, what, at this point, three years. And they're on and off again. Patterns are not serving either of them. Yeah. Well, you know, there's like a lot of ancestral stuff and groups with this right now because I think it's around this time that Kendall is also hooking up with Harry Styles. Oh.

That's right. Oh my God. Was that in 2014? Yeah. So I think like Taylor and Selena, like,

did not vibe with kindle at this time i bet not to sidetrack completely i'm so curious about the relationship the friendship between taylor gg because gg and kindle are such good friends and taylor and gg are such good friends that it is so i think like maybe in hollywood you just kind of have to like compartmentalize yeah with these because it's like i'm so intense about that kind of stuff it's hard for me to imagine like being friends with someone that like

I hated. Yeah. Or like that dated my best friend's ex. I don't know. It's just like, it's hard, but I think they're also kind of like, there's only such a small pool that they can choose from. That's so true. So true. Okay. So a couple months later, a month later, December, 2014 and Justin. So Haley's in the, she's, she's back in and there are some rumors that all of a sudden he is with Haley Bieber.

Haley Baldwin. I'm so sorry. Which is also so weird because Haley Baldwin is really good friends with Kendall, but I fully believe that Justin and Kendall hooked up. No, I know. So there's rumors because they spend new year's Eve together. Um,

He posts a photo on his Instagram. It's this like black and white selfie of them on Instagram. And he writes like, people are crazy. I'm super single. And this is just a good friend. You would know otherwise with a U, not spelled Y, you know, Y-U, of course. And they're like sitting in a car together and they're literally just like –

If I were Haley, I'd be like, well, that caption makes me want to die because I'm actually in love with you. I mean, truly. So I don't know exactly how they met, but I think they were kind of in the same circle. We know how they met.

Because her dad introduced them when they were young? Yeah, that was their first introduction. So that's when she was like 10, right? No, I think that they were like 14, but they both look so young. I mean, same thing. But yeah, it was when they were super young after his Today Show performance. That's right. And she was like, Daddy, but Daddy, I love him. But the way that he, on the documentary, they're like, she was so over it and so jaded or whatever. I think she was so freaking nervous that she...

It makes me LOL the video of them meeting for the first time. They just look like children. They look like children. Justin's being so professional, which is super creepy from like a 14-year-old. And she looks shut off. And yeah, it is just shocking. It's like before Hayley's work has been done. Like you're just like, this is like a whole different world.

It's amazing. So he does that. He denies dating rumors. And he now is he's a single man and he is hooking up with models. He's hooking up with model. Do you know who Yovana Ventura is? I don't think so. I think she was like kind of a semi it girl. And like this time I wasn't familiar with her. Also, this other model, Chantal, Chantal Jeffries.

who was with him during his arrest in Miami. Oh my God. Where he's like smiling ear to ear in that mugshot. Cause he, it was a drag racing incident that he got arrested for. And he had a DUI.

Got it. Yeah. Yeah. It was like a yellow Ferrari or something like that. That's right. Yeah. That's right. So he's kind of starting to go off the deep end. Selena is rumored to be dating Zedd. Oh, well, they have a song together, don't they? Oh, I want you to know. Oh, I actually don't know that song. Zedd is like the German DJ and you guys know Zedd. Yeah. Yeah. He's in a bunch of stuff. He's a bit older than her, isn't he?

It's so crazy in Hollywood though. Like, and this is not okay, but age just seems to not exist. I feel like it was just a few years ago that we were like, Oh, a 20 year old mod. I like 20 year old Camilla Marone talking about it is with a 45 year old. Like, is that strange? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Um, so, and Haley isn't public publicly dating anyone right now, but we'll get to her previous relationship. Um, um,

Okay, so cut to November 2015. Selena is reportedly serenaded by Justin. They have reconciled in some way. And she broke up with Zedd. And they're spotted at a hotel bar in Beverly Hills. And he's singing My Girl by the Temptations and his own song, Sorry to Her.

No. No. It's giving, you know, Ken and Barbie and Ken. No. Oh my God. But can you just imagine? He's like, baby girl, like, come here. He's like, you sit on this stool at this hotel and let me tell you how I feel. That is humiliating for his soul, actually. And for hers. Like, I'm humiliated hearing about this 10 years later. But you know that they were, she was probably like, like every song he's ever written is about me. Oh, she loves it. I mean, even, yeah. Yeah.

Whatever. She loves it. I mean, of course she does. She wouldn't have gotten back with him all the goddamn time. No, she loved it. You know, everyone ate it up. Imagine being there. And just being like, this is her story. This is her story. Like, this should be a, you know, like, it's crazy. Yeah. So, everyone's like, I guess they're back together, right? Right? This is 2014? This is now 2015. Oh my god, okay. But then in the shock of the century, Claire, in December 2015...

There's a photo that Justin Bieber posts on his Instagram and it is a photo once again on vacation with Hailey Bieber and they are kissing. He posts that? He posts a picture of them kissing. The photo is very passionate. It's a full body shot. It shows a lot of her leg and butt and their arms wrapped around each other and they are kissing.

I know I know celebrity culture, but I miss Instagram like this. I do too, where you're just like, we don't really know. These people are shocking us. We don't get a lot of access to them. We're not seeing them on TikTok. And then all of a sudden, we're like, whoa. They're posting on their public Instagram page like it's their private Instagram page. Oh my God, I know. And it's just shocking that he was so...

open because now we don't see that side of Justin anymore. He's very closed off. Well, rightly so. Rightly so. So the new year, the new year is 2016. It's in January. And Selena says that she is done talking about Justin in the wake of the picture and the romance between Haley and him in an interview with Rolling Stone. She says, honestly, what I would love to be printed is that I am so beyond done with talking about that and him.

Can you imagine how much that would fucking suck? It's like, he's just serenading you at a hotel bar a month before. And then to have the whole world see that, oh my God, my heart hurts for her. And like, you can't escape that. And she probably was like, why did you have to like, even if you have moved on, whatever has happened, like, why did you have to post it?

Exactly. Like, you know, you know what you were doing. I would be like, why even come back to me in the first place? No, I know. I'm sure it was very hurtful. She then did an interview with W Magazine the following month in which she says about her relationship with Justin. I honestly am so done. I care about his health and well-being, but I can't do it anymore. I think she's truly like, if you love someone, set him free.

Yeah, it's just crazy. It's like hard enough to go through a breakup and then to have to talk about it in a publication. But it'd be kind of iconic because it's like, you know, that person is going to read it. Well, God, well, you know what W Magazine always reminds me of? And we've talked about this before on Ram. Brad and Angelina talk about hurt.

That's actually, I think, one of the most fucked up things in pop culture. We could do an entire episode just on that magazine cover. I think that we should. If you guys don't know, obviously Brad and Angelina had an affair on the set of Mr. and Mrs. Smith. I think it was before the divorce was even finalized. They come out with something crazy, like 16-page spread, might even be more than that, of them playing house. Well, the really hurtful part of it was that Jennifer had just said, I...

I either like can't have kids or I never talked about having kids. It was something that like we never connected on. And then the spread is literally him with like their fake children as like they're like they have models and they're like holding them together. It's so horrific. I will never forget. I was at my grandma's house and she got every magazine under the sun subscription. I think she got like a hundred. She got like Vogue W, but then also like star and in touch and everything. Highbrow, lowbrow. And just seeing that on top and just being like,

I'll never forget it. Yeah. And then of course we thought that Angelina was evil. We did. And listen, that wasn't a kind thing to do, but like she wasn't the one who cheated on her spouse. Well, Brad didn't get the weight of that. And it was Angelina, which were, you know, a lot of parallels. Exactly. A lot of parallels. Here we are.

She's done – this is the year – and since you watched the doc, you know 2016 where he goes on a world tour and then he cancels some of it and he's just like, I'm drained. I don't feel great. I forgot that he's had so many ups and downs of this and how early it came on that he was struggling so deeply. I think 2015 is really the last time that he was –

That we were all kind of like, oh, he's just this kid, this superstar, this funny guy. And then we really saw the downfall in 2016. It was like 10 years ago. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. And just like, I mean, I can't imagine. Like he's never...

How old was he when he got famous? Like 11? No, he was probably like 13. 13. 12 or 13. I never will forget. I was at this girl who was on my cheer squads house and she sat us down and she went, you have to watch this boy from Canada on YouTube. He's amazing. He doesn't remember much of his life before.

The obsession. I mean, like you obviously have memories before 13, but like his whole life is celebrity. But his life changed so drastically. And like his fame and I texted to Tess last night. He reminds me so much of Elvis and the way that he was a young, hot thing that the world just kind of like tossed around. And especially Scooter and the Colonel with the management. I don't trust it. So many parallels. I mean, God, a child star like at this level. It's very upsetting. Yeah.

So he's kind of going through a hard time. He's just like, I'm burnt out.

I think I'm having a hard time like with the attention and with the fame. And so February 2016, Haley and Justin say that they're not exclusive and they split sometime thereafter. Right. What I'm guessing is that he was like, babe, we've been having fun, but like, I'm not going to put a label on this. And she was like, I'm heartbroken. Yeah. Yeah. She seems to have always been very in on it. Yeah. And I think, I mean, once again, I do not know these people, but Haley to me seems like a relationship girly.

From what we've seen. And like, they were friends before they hooked up and that's always really complicated to be like, well, we love each other as friends very much like a West and Sierra, you know, where it's like, we have that like love for each other and trust and like,

So why isn't this working if we're attracted to each other and love each other? When I think that's especially for women in those situations, I think breakups are even harder when there is that friendship key in there because it's like how you're mourning the loss of your romantic relationship and your friendship and not God, it's so true. But yeah, he talks about it in GQ that he was like, look, I don't want to rush anything with Haley.

And I think there's some coincidence with when that was published and then they break up. So I want to say that she saw the article. Like in my mind, I'm like, she saw it and she was like, goodbye. Well, again, like when you're going through a breakup, what if someone's telling you one thing and then putting something completely different in a publication? It must feel like such a mindfuck.

I would not be a good celebrity. I'm just going to be crazy. Just going to put that out there. So October. So we have a little bit of space. We have a little gap in the timeline. And then October 2017 through March 2018, Selena and Justin get back together. And then they break up again. I kind of didn't know.

I'm going to hop around two months after this. They didn't go to the Met together, did they? On this year? Because I just remembered who Hayley was connected to at one point. We're going to talk about it. Yeah, and I'm going to keep that to myself. I want to say that they did because there was a lot of speculation of Hayley was there with someone else and they were there together. God, I can't believe they got back together. But like, of course they did. Also, like, I'm sure they trauma bonded so much. Literally, I think at that point, they're just like, well, it's better than...

Being with someone else that doesn't understand our journey. Exactly. So there's rumors that they're first seen together because they're biking together and Selena is wearing Justin's hockey jersey. Wait, I remember these paparazzi photos. They're like in the neighborhood, right? Yes. We'll put on the carousel. You guys look at right answers mostly for all of the pics. I don't know why I remember exactly where I was like when I saw that. These things are just monumental. Yeah, of course. They just are.

And then so they even get on Instagram in March of 2018 and she posts for Justin's 24th birthday. And so people are like, oh, thank God they're back together. And then what happens, Claire? Two weeks later, they're broken up. Yeah. We saw that coming. And back to Haley for a second. So 2017 to 2018, this is the year where Haley is gaining a bit more press. She is in the public. She is dating. Say it. Sing it. Yeah.

There's nothing holding me back. Our king, Shawn Mendes. Girly, girly. Girly girl. Our girly girl, Shawn Mendes. She is dating Shawn Mendes. They make their public appearance together at the Met. I think they're only together for about a year. And there's like one interview that Shawn gives about her that's like, essentially we're together and we love each other, but it's like we don't really define anything. And I was like, interesting. They, I think we're wearing Ralph Lauren and it was for Heavenly Bodies. Yeah.

Yes. She has like short hair and she's in like a blue off, like off the shoulder. Does she have pinkish hair? Yes. And then she has like a little flower crown on. And it was like, people were like, oh my God, it's the new young couple. I thought that she looked cute. I did. I remember seeing that and being like, I like it.

It's like meh to me, you know, like Heavenly Bodies was just such an amazing year. For the time. Well, also, Haley Bieber was not like this was like the first thing that people were like, oh, shit. And also during this time, she kind of becomes not like an it girl yet, but she is. She does the 2017 spring summer campaign for guests. She's number one on Maxim Hot 100.

Which I didn't know. Yeah, this is where she's like starting her early modeling days that she's like making a name for herself. Yeah, she's walking on the Adidas show and she's in the Nicole Benisti fall winter 2017 campaign. She's on the cover of LUK. I do think that Shawn Mendes and Hailey Bieber were a PR relationship. I do as well. Yeah. I do as well.

Selena is killing it at this time. She has really good singles actually in like 2018. It ain't me.

I don't know that one. Um, nah, nah, nah, nah, Valerie. Uh, uh, uh, it ain't, it's, it's a Kygo song. She and Kygo. It's really good. She loves to collaborate with the DJs. She does. And I think that works for her. Yeah, I do. I think she has like some good songs with DJs. Um, wolves and bad liar. Oh, such good songs. Bad liar is a great one. Have we gotten to, um, uh, what is it? God, sorry. Hold on. Um,

I can't keep my hands to myself. Can't keep my hands to myself. God, what year was that? That was like...

That was during the 1989 tour, I think, to put that in like pop culture perspective. So it's probably already out then. Yeah. Yeah. So she's, I mean, God, she's always had hits. I will give that to her. She has always had hits. If you want to come and get it, that's another great one. It's yeah. She, she has really, she has a good team. I will say that. Yes. She has. Thank you. Thank you for clearing that up. I think she has really good producers and a good team. That's like, these are the songs that you should be making. This is your vibe. I think you should do a beauty line, all that stuff. She's a great team.

Yeah. I am wearing Rare Beauty Concealer right now. And I am wearing Rode. Oh, my God. So I guess I do. Wow. Battle of the makeup girlies. Battle of the makeup girlies. Just long. Yeah, do a little – God, Rode's so good. I want to do it like Hailey does it where she's just like –

The fillers. Like I could watch a woman with lip fillers put on lip liner and lip gloss all day long. So satisfying. I should have really over overlined my lips, but sometimes it's scary. No, I can watch it all day long. Like those pillows are just amazing. It's like, wow, how do you put things on them? It is so plump. And just to put in perspective of the music that's coming out right now, Justin just comes out with Let Me Love You.

And I'm sorry to say, Claire, I'm sorry to say, Cold Water. What's Cold Water? Isn't it running to and to cold water with you? I don't know that one. I think Ed wrote it. Well, Ed also wrote. Ed wrote, my mama don't like you. She likes everyone. Yeah, we know some stories behind that one. We do know some stories about that. Never heard the end of that, did I? Never heard it.

Never heard the end of that. We'll talk about that later. Yeah. On premium. On premium. But... So, do you know what happens in July of 2018, Claire? No, but it's serious because you just changed everything. What? Hayley and Justin get back together. And not only that...

He announces their engagement. Wait, so the public thought that they were broken up and then all of a sudden it's like we're back together and we're engaged? Yes. Oh my God. It was shocking. They were like, they knew that Justin and Selena broke up, but they did. Maybe there was like a tiny bit of speculation, but people were shook at this announcement. God, it's also messy, isn't it? It's also messy. And I'd like to read you what Justin says on his Instagram caption about it.

Was going to wait a while to say anything, but world travels fast. Listen, plain and simple. Haley and I are so with a lot of O's in love with, or I am so in love with everything about you. So committed to spending my life with you.

Every single part of you I love patiently and kindly. I promise to lead our family with honor and integrity, letting Jesus through his Holy Spirit guide us in everything we do and every decision we make. My heart is completely...

fully yours and I will always put you first. Okay, guys, this goes on for, I'm actually now like that. I'm trying to read it. I'm not even going to say it's going to take five minutes to read. Um, he says stuff just like you make everything better. It finally makes sense with you. Um, uh, the thing I'm most excited is that my little brother and sister get to see another healthy, stable marriage and look for the same. God's timing is perfect. He who finds you like it's a lot. It's very intense. God, uh,

I have so many thoughts for us. So they both admit that they were not virgins when they got married and they have had sex before, but they decide to save sex for their marriage. So they are celibate together. Hey, can I tell you something? I didn't need to know. I didn't need to know. Like you guys just do you and keep it to yourself. Well, of course, you know that, you know, it reminds me of, well, Jessica Simpson.

Well, of course. That's the only question that she's getting. So like, and because people know that she's religious. And so, of course, it's just like, have you, are you saving yourself for Justin? Did you have sex before? Like, are you a slut? All the stuff that, you know. Yeah. I would do it.

that going on right now? I just like, okay, Gen Z, baby, Rammies, you let us know if there's like someone like that in the zeitgeist. But I actually think that like the girlies are pretty sex positive right now. No, I know. It's crazy that there was a time when we just weren't. Not that long ago. It was just an obsession with virginity. Like,

And what men did not get this, but women really got it. Well, of course, because like men don't need to be virgins, but women need to be virgins to be pure and clean. And yeah, exactly. So we think Justin Bieber is a virgin. Like, give me a break. God, I wonder, I wonder what his number is at this point in his life. Me too. Probably the hundreds. Allegedly. I would say high hundreds. 150. Yeah.

I would say higher than that. God, that's crazy. Allegedly. Allegedly with love and light. And said with no shade. Yeah. I said with love and light. Well, yeah. As long as everything's consensual and you're wrapping it up or, you know, that we always say, whatever you need to do. Go off. And as long as you're not cheating on anyone. And there it is to us.

So they tie the knot, Claire. So they first tie the knot at a New York City courthouse in September, and then they have a ceremony in Bluffton, South Carolina at Somerset Chapel of Montage Palmetto Bluff. Yeah.

Why South Carolina? I think for like the vibes, you know? Yeah. Same thing with Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, but at least Haley and Justin's wasn't on a plantation. So. Say it. Say it. So they had a hunt. Yeah. It was, you know, it's a very pretty wedding. What did you think of like the vibes when you watched it in the dock? I mean, it looks so fun because it looks like it's like a commune almost where it's like everyone stays on an island. Yeah.

It seemed – and look, so they had 154 guests, which is big. But for like a celebrity wedding that is small for like how big he was. And so they just said it was actually very like intimate and romantic and lovely. A 154-person wedding when you're Justin Bieber and Hailey Bieber is like really intimate. Like tiny. Okay. But you know what I will say is that I noticed on the doc it seems like they didn't –

And listen, you can edit this however, but it seems like they weren't like together a lot. You don't mean? Yeah. There was really only like the wedding day and, or like the reception. I felt like they were together. Same. But even that, like, I felt like they were together. And again, he sat her down and sang one last lonely girl to her. He did. And she wore a leather jacket that said wife, which I was like, I've,

I thought it was cute. I know. I actually think that him singing One Less Lonely Girl to her at her wedding is actually fun. Like, that's the point. It's like we can laugh at each other. Him singing that to Selena in the hotel, like, cut it out. I know. And during the doc, you could, like, hear her that she was like, it wasn't my idea. It was his manager's. It was Allison's. Because I think she's just like, God, this is going to – people are going to be like, wow, this is what you always wanted.

If she got it, good for her. If I was marrying the Biebs, I beg you have to absolutely do this in our prenup that you have to do it on our wedding day. A hundred percent. Or I get everything you own. Cause it's cute. It's cute. It's cute. Matching Tiffany's wedding band. She had a custom wedding dress designed by Virgil Abloh. Is it Abloh?

I think it's Abloh. Yeah. RIP. RIP. He serenaded her, like we said. And if you want to watch, there's episodes like 10 minutes about it on YouTube under Seasons. And just watch it. It's cute. It's fun. Well, I feel like her veil like really shook everyone. It says, tell death to his part. It's very them. It's very them.

It's so them. It's also so 2018. You know what I mean? A hundred percent. It was just like a time. I remember seeing it and actually not like loving her dress. Um, I don't know what it is. The boobies looked amazing. I really liked her veil. Um,

Yeah, I don't know. I think just strapless with the long sleeves, it felt like a little like outdated or something to me, but she looked beautiful. She did. I mean, it's very lace, so I think you really have to love lace. Heavy on the lace. Heavy on the lace. Yeah, yeah. So in October of 2019, Selena seems to react to the news of their marriage in a new song. Do you know what song it is? No. Actually, that might not be the one. I was going to start.

Is it? I needed to lose you to love me. Yeah. Ta-da!

Yeah. Lose you to love me. Oh my God. Because on one hand, I'm like, Sleaner, like, let's not. They're married. And on the other hand, I'm like, but that's your life. I completely agree. And there's lyrics like, in two months, you replaced us like it was easy. And so people are just, and like, they had just been together. So last night, Alice came over and she was like, are you going to talk about the 35 texts that he sent her, that he sent to Selena on their wedding day? Yeah.

I had the same reaction. I gaffed. I clutched my pearls. All just rumors. There is literally nothing. There is nothing concrete. There is nothing, no sources. And I think it was created by Selena Gomez fans. That was like, he called her. I went to Reddit. I did deep dive you guys. And there's no concrete evidence of this. I feel sick.

I do as well. Even though it's like we have no evidence. There's no evidence and it's just been shut down. I don't know. I just think that's something that's like so crazy. Who knows? Who knows? All the rumors and the nastiness. Once again, maybe it fucking did happen. We don't know these people. So I think all of us should just say we don't know. We got to remember the oath, you guys. We have to remember the oath. Should we bring it back for a second? Or let me know at any point if you think we should. Okay. I think a reminder right now. It's just good to- Raise your hand. Yep.

We do not know these people. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So, so this now kind of gets into, I'm going to preface this by saying some of this stuff is so petty, but it's like what the internet was just fascinated on. And I think ever since Justin and Haley got married, then there was just like microscope into everything that Selena or Haley posted being like, it's about this. I totally forgot about this. Cause we're going to talk about Kylie in a second. Aren't we? Yes, we are. I,

wow, it's all coming back to me now. This is journalism. This is journalism. It's a deep dive, kids. And sometimes it's uncomfortable. It's a little

It's a little uncomfortable. I'm not going to lie. I'm just scared, I think. Me too. I'm scared. So October 2019, Hailey faces backlash after posting an Instagram story later that day because Selena releases the new song, Lose You to Love Me. And later that day, Hailey uploads a screenshot of the song,

I'll kill you by Summer Walker to her Instagram story. And fans were like, she's responding to Selena. She's saying that she's going to kill her. What do you think? Really quickly. What's what housewife goes? I will kill you. Oh, I don't know. Oh, Brandy Glanville during game night. Oh, yes. It always reminds me of just that. Just drunk. Just I will kill you. I was like, that's what it's giving. It's giving Brandy. Here's the thing. Okay. I don't know if that's.

If that's true, if it's not, if her saying like, I'll kill you, but you are under a microscope and you're in the public eye and you know how that could be interpreted. So she clearly didn't care if people did think that. Well, and that's what I'm saying. And like, again, do I think that she actually was threatening Selena's life? No. Do I think that it was completely innocent? No. I agree, Claire. I'm on the same page.

So she quickly shuts down rumors about that by responding to comments online. And she says, please, please stop with this nonsense. There is no response. This is complete BS. Cut to a few weeks later, 2019, October 24th. Selena asked fans to be kind to Haley after she starts receiving a lot of hate.

The following day when promoting her new single, Look at Her Now, Selena doesn't exactly mention Hailey by name, but she does say, I do not stand for women tearing women down. I will never, ever be about that. So please be kind to everyone. She added, it doesn't matter what the situation is. If you're my fan, don't be rude to anyone, please. Don't go off and say things that you just feel in the moment.

Okay. So she didn't say, don't be mean to Haley. She just said, don't because if I were Haley and she said like my name, I'd be like, keep my name out of your goddamn mouth. I actually think that Selena did the right thing in there. I think instead of just being like, guys, be nice to Haley. She, it's a very like classy PR move of just being like, if you're my fan, we stand for kindness and support other women. And I will really respect her for doing this. Like, do I love Selena? Yeah. Now I'm like, wait a second.

Everything has changed. Everything has changed. Sorry to bring it back to Ed Sheeran. But look, yeah, I think I don't know actually if I'd have the maturity to say something like that. I'd be like, keep being mean to, I got at least at the beginning, they just got married a few months ago. I think I'd be like, keep it coming. No, I wouldn't say that.

I think I would just probably be like quiet, but then like, I don't, I just don't know what it's like to be this level of celebrity. I have no idea. And you know what? Even if she didn't want to, I'm sure her team told her to do this. Like once again, she's a great team. Well, and you know, what's so great about this point of celebrity is that you can take like have someone take your phone and just write it and you don't even have to, and just know that's the better move. And then bitch about it to your friends. Like as you should. It's so true. Um,

So we're going to jump ahead a little bit because it's quiet for some time. We're not really seeing it. Haley and Justin are out and about. People are getting more used to them as a couple. You know, they're doing appearances. They're posting on Instagram. And I'm sure Haley's Instagram is just being, you know,

completely she's getting harassed but there's nothing like really going on okay so we're gonna cut to august of 2021 okay okay hayley likes selena's magazine cover on instagram she had posed i believe for l okay and l and selena like did a cross like you know they both posted at the same time and hayley liked it

And literally everyone is like, is there peace? Have they reconciled? Have they had some kind of discussion? This is also a time where like Selena is very vocal about like focusing on her mental health and healing. And people are like, ah, maybe the angels are singing. Yeah. Okay. But then April of 2022, Haley comes out with a video begging fans to stop leaving comments about Selena on her social media. I mean, this video. No, but I just like would lose my mind. Oh,

I would lose it. I, this just showed up on TikTok the other day. She's talking to the camera and she's so irritated. Like you can just feel that she's trying not to like scream. And she literally just goes, leave me alone. At this point, I'm minding my own business. I don't do anything. I don't say anything. Leave me alone, please. Every time, like,

enough time has gone by where it's valid to leave me alone. I beg of you truly. That's my only request. Leave me alone. Go be miserable somewhere else. Wait, I've seen that, but I saw it the other day and I thought it was a recent video, but that was from, Oh, okay. Well that,

That's so sick that I thought it was a recent video that you trolls on the internet are still attacking this woman. Yeah, that's from 2022. And forgive me because I actually forgot to put this in the timeline. But I wonder if this is around the time where Haley and Justin go to the Met together where she's wearing the sunglasses with the strapless YSL. And people think that Haley may have been crying.

I'm trying because that was for the that was for the Gilded Age. I know it wasn't. That was her white, white style one. It was the one after Heavenly Bodies, I want to say. Ramis, I'm sorry, but please tell me. Please do your research and please tell me. But this is all after, isn't it? Or are we still going to get to the lip stuff? We're getting to it. Okay, okay, okay, okay. And the mascara. Okay, okay. Yes, we're getting to it. So there's speculation at the Met in some time around here that

That Selena was there and they were there and she's crying. And everyone's like, look that – and people edit these videos together being like, look how Justin is looking at Selena as she walks by on the red carpet. And like those are all cuts. Like he's not like staring her down. People do that with Daisy Edgar Jones and Paul Mescal like so much. Which I do think he was in love with her, don't you? I haven't seen normal people in so long. Yeah.

Just the interviews, he's like – He loves her. He's really – the energy is intense from him, but not so much from her. Oh, tell us about Moscow. I know, but she may have been dating someone during that time. That's a whole other – A whole other episode. A whole other episode. So she's begging the internet to shut the hell, which I would be too. Same. And then in May 2022, Selena shuts down accusations that she shaded Hailey.

After Selena posted a video showing off her makeup routine shortly after Haley shared a similar video on her own account, many began to speculate that this was a big dig at Haley. Yes. She said, quote, this is why I believe in taking care of your mental health guys. No idea what I did, but I'm really sorry. Zero bad intention. Deleting soon. Selena commented on her own video, according to his fan screenshot. Right. And then,

Okay. We're going to get to the lips. We're going to get to the lips and eyebrows and all that. You're like, calm down. Okay. It's just crazy because I just feel like, well, I feel like that was so long ago. I know. It's only 2022. That's crazy. You know what Kyle Richards always says on Housewives? I like this expression. Like you're looking for tits on an ant.

Yes, that's such a good expression. Well, it's also just exhausting where you can't just live your life because everything is being dissected. Also, these are two women that are doing very similar things. Like, I think at this time, Hailey is trying to become like a, you know, TikTok personality with makeup because I think the plan was always to do lip stuff. Selena has rare out. They're just, they're two women doing their makeup routine. Everyone's like, wow. Yeah.

They're doing their makeup routine. Right. It's not that serious. And you know what it was? Not never that serious. Something like that. That's how it goes. Yeah. Um, what song is that? No, it's like a, it's an internet sound. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Did you listen to her Haley's interview on call her daddy in September of 22? No, I never did.

It's interesting. She talks very graphically about their sex life, which was fascinating. Tell me more. Yeah, I will send you the clip. Please do. Because I will say, watching those two kiss, me likey. Me likey. They have very good sexual chemistry, I think. Well, they're both just so hot. It's like, what's not to like? Truly, they're both so hot. He will touch her chin in a way. Tess and I have both sent each other pictures of us watching the doc being like,

You know what it is? He's like, you're my baby girl. Yes. And she's like, yeah, I think he's, there's a clip of them like talking like that. He's always just like my fucking angel. He's like, you are just like my princess, which like I like, I like, he's obsessed with her. So she goes on Alex Cooper's podcast, call her daddy. And she addresses claims once and for all publicly that she had never stolen Justin from Selena.

Quote, I can say period point blank. I was never with him when he was in a relationship with anybody. That's the end of it. I understand how it looks from the outside, but that was a situation where I know for a fact I was in the right for them to close that door.

She acknowledges that it makes sense why people are so into it. Like she's, she's like, yeah, like I get it. People love him. People loved her. I get that. I came in and like, she's totally like in people's minds. I don't blame like the speculation, but she's also like, that was so long ago. And now we're married, like give it up. And she was like, there's literally no drama with Selena. It's all respect. It's all love.

She's being a lot nicer to those trolls than she really has to be, by the way. Exactly. And she even says that the two have spoken multiple times since the wedding. Really? Yeah.

Well, I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that one. Same. I'm like, what do you think that like interaction is like? I think they don't, they're not going to ever going to like really like each other. No, that's fine. They're both being their fakest, nicest selves. Like it's probably like their voices are probably like, Hey, how are you? Like, hi, love. So good to see you. Yeah. Oh my God. You look gorgeous. Congratulations on everything. Thank you so much. It's been great to watch. Yeah. It's been great.

And they hate each other. But we have to talk about like how it is impossible for a woman to steal a man because that makes it sound like men have no power over their choices at all. And it's like going back to like that siren narrative that these women are just like tricking these men. So I posted a TikTok the other day talking about this and someone literally comments being like, I bet that you have stolen someone's man before. I was like,

Again, we are just like giving men that pass to be like, they're just so innocent and they don't know what's going on. You know, like, give me a break. It's just I I'm sure that that woman that commented was triggered because she has been cheated on or but this situation, they are all saying there was no cheating. Like we moved on. We broke up. They decided to get married like that.

It's fine. And that's my second point. You guys, again, reminder, we do not know these people. When we find out about news, about relationships, about divorces, all that stuff, it's been happening for so much longer. They're not going to put it out in the public until they are ready for us to know.

Most celebrities, when they do interviews saying, this is actually what really happened, they were like, it was a year before we even put out, at least a year before we put out a statement. Or like, I don't know, I think of Reese Witherspoon and her husband. I think that they were separated for three to five years. Okay. And premium Ramy's know that we were sensing that and Jessica Simpson and Eric, we had

had our finger on the poles for a minute. We're actually pretty good at predicting celebrity breakups. Yeah, we really are. And it's like not a good, it's a blessing and a curse. No, I know. I'm not like happy about it, but we have to say it. Yeah. So actually, Claire, in October of 2022, just a month after this interview comes out, the two girlies posed together for photos. Do you remember the picture? Wait, were they in gowns?

They were at the Academy Museum of Motion Picture Annual Gala. Yes. I do remember that.

And who knows? That could have just been a quick, like, do you guys mind? But they look nice. God, this is all so girl confusing coded. It's so confusing sometimes to be a girl. You know, it's like we're all just like pitting ourselves against each other, you know? No, I know. And it's also like, which this is a whole other conversation, but it's okay. Like, I think like women have so much pressure to be a girl's girl means that you have to love everyone. You have to say yes to every woman. You have to vibe with every woman. I think it's very fair to...

That's like an unfair... That's also the patriarchy of just being nice to everyone. And you guys all need to be in this little... It's also okay to be like, she's not my cup of tea. A hundred percent. And I'm not going to be rude, but she's not my cup of tea. Of course, we're human. We're not going to love every single woman, nor should we, nor do we have to. Just don't...

tear them down but you can also just live your life and be like yeah we don't vibe exactly mean that you're not a feminist that doesn't mean that you're not a girl's girl the girl's girl term is like kind of gotten out of control it's literally like oh you like it means that you have should have no boundaries or agency over your own life or decide who to let into your life like it's okay not to like other women that doesn't mean anything yeah exactly that's just human nature truly yeah so they do pose together for photo people like oh my god um

And now we're going to get into the little Kylie TikTok of it all, because this happens if people are like, maybe they're all good. And then in January of 2023, Selena reacts to claims that Hailey shaded her in a TikTok video, which Hailey publicly denies. This is 2023? Where has time gone? Where has time gone? So Hailey, along with her two friends, one who was Kendall Jenner,

goes viral in a video which shows the trio mouthing along to the words in a TikTok song. I'm not saying she deserved it, but I'm saying that God's timing is always right.

So they're like, you know, like close up and they're like, I'm not saying she deserved it, but I'm saying that. And they're mouthing it and giggling after. And the video mentions nothing about Selena, but it was around the time where Selena was being trolled on the internet. Yes, I do remember this. People were not being kind to Selena right now. And I don't exactly know why. I might actually know why. Why? Why?

She was going through some health stuff. Yeah. Or like, I think people were like calling her like unattractive. Yeah. That's I think it because she was going through health things. I think that's disgusting. And I think is also like, I'm maybe I, it's not, but like lip syncing or something like that too. I think it was like your lip syncing. You are being kind of cold.

Like you don't look the best you've ever looked. I mean, women, you can't do it. You can't do anything right. Well, also we know how society works. We build women up to the top just so that we can tear them down. And so like, of course that that was her time coming to that, which is disgusting. Um, Hmm. So they do that. And then the videos brought to Selena's attention and she shuts down any misgiving saying it's okay. I don't let these things get me down. Be nice to everyone. X. I mean, I,

God, it feels so targeted, doesn't it? Well, it's kind of like going back to what we were talking about with her posting all the Kill You song. It's just like, why do it? Why do it? Especially it's one thing if you're by yourself. If you're with your two best friends, it automatically just feels like a bully. And you're with Kylie Jenner, who's famous too and has power and is popular. So it really just feels like that's

They didn't have to do it, did they? No. They didn't have to do it. It's just nasty. And saying she deserves it. It's not like that's not such a far stretch to be like, that's kind of pointed. A hundred percent. Like, you know, people are going to say you're going to do it. So you better be okay with backlash. Exactly. And also like knowing that's going to hurt her.

So Haley comments on the TikTok and she says, I never comment on this type of thing, but we're just having a girls night and did a random TikTok sound for fun. It really wasn't directed at anyone. Okay. I mean, I don't really believe that, but, and I'm not saying like, oh my God, Haley Bieber is a terrible person. Like she just had like a catty moment. It seems. I agree. I agree with that. Um, so after, so now we're

We're going to talk about the laminated eyebrows incident. There we go. Yes. Okay, let's go. After Selena mentioned that she accidentally over laminated her eyebrows, a few hours later, Kylie Jenner took to the app TikTok to post a picture of herself with the words, this was an accident over her brows, followed by an image of Hailey Bieber's brows. This led fans to wonder whether some serious shade was being thrown towards Selena and her eyebrows. So crazy.

I mean, but again, I would say if people are going to be like, huh, and you don't want to be categorized as a mean girl, don't do it. Well, I think where people automatically like, didn't she come out with an eyebrow line like immediately? Kylie Cosmetics, you know that Kris Jenner, after she posted that, called up and was like, hey, we got to make an eyebrow line. Kris Jenner is literally like Kris Jenner for Robert Shapiro.

Like there is no way there was an eyebrow line in the making. Of course. Of course. If there was, she was like, we're going to use this to promote it. Exactly. So Kylie responds saying this is reaching no shade towards Selena ever. I didn't even see her eyebrow post. You guys are making something out of nothing. This is so silly. And then Selena even comments back saying agreed at Kylie Jenner. This is so all unnecessary. I'm a big fan of Kylie.

Okay, well, it's not reaching, though, you guys. Like, it's not reaching. Yeah. Like, we're not dumb. Yeah. God. Yeah. But, you know, Selena is playing this all right by being, like, letting it roll off her back. Yes. That is – and I really respect her for each time just being like, keep being kind to everyone. So what I wonder is, like, again, hands up, we do not know these people.

Why is there some stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about? You know, people are talking in Hollywood. I think their teams talked a lot. Yeah. You think that their teams talked? I think that both of their PR people were kind of always being like, what do we do? This is what the girls just posted. How do we mend? What should Selena say? Haley, this is how you respond. Like, I think they...

Would be a lot less mature in this, both of them without their teams being like, you have to comment. Interesting. See, I think that there's also stuff going on, though, like without even the PR teams of like mutual friends and like the rumors spreading and nastiness and like talking shit about each other. Well, because, yeah, they have so many mutual friends. Like, yeah, they were not –

They did not get along. And even if they're commenting that all love and saying that on call her daddy, it's not all love. No, that'd be impossible. Can I say something? Yeah. Where's Justin and all this people? Where is Justin and all this? The one that like, we're even the reason for the season. Claire, that's a very beautiful way to conclude the episode. Because what I was going to say is that in my research with this, I looked at timeline and timeline and timeline ended up mainly going with this Cosmo timeline. Cause I felt like it was like the most detailed, informative, um,

She's like, where's Justin? I just kept being like, and what's he doing? What's he saying? What's he commenting? Nothing, Claire. Nothing. That's wild. See, if I were Haley, I would be like, please, I'm your wife. Like, say something about this. I think sometimes he would like, I don't know. I mean, he would, he's always posted a bit of big like wife guy. Like he posted a lot about her being like my biggest supporter. She's amazing. She's so kind. Like he's always like,

tried to tell his fans and the public like what a special person she is and how much he she has helped him truly like she's like she saved my life

Yeah. But he doesn't respond directly to it. He doesn't mention Selena. I mean, honestly, if I were him, though, I wouldn't want to either. No. This is their high school relationship. So I guess that – He has to get that perspective. I guess that is him responding, right? Yeah. Always posting her being like, this is my woman. This is my wife. I love her. She's a great – she's so kind. You guys don't know her. So I guess without talking about his ex, he is sort of defending her.

her totally but he still doesn't get the brunt of any of this it's all just these two women pinned against each other yeah my god it's just so crazy again it's like why do we care about their high school relationship like he's married they have a kid now we've got to let the mouse go literally and that's like truly the end of the timeline is that guys she's engaged to benny blanco on may 9th 2024 hayley bieber announced her pregnancy they did a um

second vow ceremony in Hawaii where she wore this like Versace outfit. And it was Justin did. Oh, wow. Yeah. Do you remember that? They did like, there was like a video of them and she's pregnant and there's like someone marrying them in Hawaii. Maybe. It's gorgeous. And now they have a son and Selena's engaged and everyone has fucking moved on. I mean, clearly we haven't because we just did an episode about it.

But it's because it's back in the zeitgeist. But it always will be. Yeah. And it always will be. It always will be. So that's Haley and Justin and Selena. That's the timeline. Wow. Well done, Tess. Thank you. I really hope that Justin's doing okay right now. And that is the thing. Like, he doesn't seem to be his normal self. He seems a little...

There's like a little area of concern, you know, around how he's acting. Yeah. And like, I wish him well, because like when I was watching their doc, every single person around him besides Haley, honestly, it made me feel so uneasy. Just people trying to like benefit from his success. Like these, all these creepy adults. It's all these creepy adults. And I really hate that.

for him um and then hayley like we've seen her grow so much in this relationship because in the doc too she is by his side she's like giving him vitamins it's like a very weird like keeper in a way they're like each other's keepers she's like helping him do exercises when he starts to feel like he's coming out with a panic attack and she's like explaining it in the doc of like this is what he does and this is what people around him need to do and she knows all like the terms and

And she's just like in his studio, like binge watching shows while he's working. And now I think that she's, which is what we see. I mean, I can speak on my personal experience. How I've changed from 22 to 30 is I've grown into myself as a woman and developed some more self-esteem and purpose on my own. Yeah.

well i think she's like oh i'm with the biggest star in the world like i have to be there in every aspect i have to be there physically and emotionally and spiritually and now it's like oh actually i want to have my own business and now she's so successful and so popular and that's amazing to see it's also yeah she was young yeah and i just really hope that they grow together and i'll say that i hope so as well yeah i hope so as well claire

Wow. What a journey. I mean, so many things I completely forgot about. I know it is pop culture gold. It is. It's like, it's, there's so many moments that, you know, it was just such a time, but yeah, I think we all just like before you literally the moral of the story is before you say someone has stolen someone's man, just take a moment and be like, why am I saying that? And what does that mean? Yeah. What does that mean? Are we perpetuating? And it's not a good one. No, it doesn't benefit any of us as women. And there are three sides to every story. Claire, isn't there?

theirs, theirs and the truth. And we'll never know the truth. We will never know the truth. Wow. Well done, Tess. I mean, it was light. It was, you know, I needed like a little, I need a lighter episode this week and I hope you guys enjoyed it. Levitate. Yeah. I'm so curious to hear y'all's thoughts and like, I was about to say whose side you're on, but I am curious, like, listen, let's not pity women against each other, but I'm curious to see where you fall on all this. Yes. I'm curious to see who you have resonated more with.

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