The Stock Market is Dramatic Part 2
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Hi, Rammies. Welcome back to Write Guess Only, where we interview interesting people about a juicy subject from history.

This time, we have Quinn92 as our third co-host as he explains the Enron stock scandal to us. Back in 2015, Quinn92 emerged with a disarmingly catchy and dynamic personal style of his own. He's accumulated over 3.5 billion streams across his catalog and earned successive platinum singles including Kings of Summer with A-OK, Straightjacket, and Love Me Less with Max.

He also happens to be a Ramy. In 2021, his album Change of Scenery 2 captured number one on the Apple Pop chart and number one on the Spotify US debut album chart. Not to mention he has sold out headline tours coast to coast, selling over 350,000 tickets as a headliner and graced the stages of festivals such as Lollapalooza, Bonnaroo, Firefly, Governor's Ball, Summerfest, and Electric Forest.

Now he kicks off his next chapter with his debut single for Republic Records, Backpack. Let's talk to Quinn92. This is where, and just to refresh my memory, Tess, because we have that Titanic compatibility. Doesn't it end with the painting scene and then it ends in the first take? I don't know why I answered that. Or he's like checking the dials on his like...

So when it, I think the last moment of the first tape is when they are drawing out the plans, like the architectural plans. And then he looks up. Like the route. Yes. Yes. And the architect. The coordinates. Yes. Like, so they're like. Oh my God. I love that scene. Oh my God. Same. Claire's like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? I've never seen anything like this before. Claire just leaves the studio. Yeah. But it's when they're looking up the.

the layout of the ship and then I think he says like we're fucked basically yeah like there's not gonna be an he goes the ship will sink in two and a half hours or something yes that's what he says right right yes

Also, what movie, I know we always come back to this, but what movie does that nowadays? You've never seen a movie be like, now pop in the next tape. It's all digital. I'm literally sweating thinking about it. It's the perfect. I want to watch it. Same. It's pretty genius. James Cameron? Yeah. Honey, you knew what he was doing. Jimmy Cameron. Jimmy. Jimmy Boy. Jimmy and Kenny. Jimmy Boy. Our boys for life. Yeah. Where am I? Let's see where I am.

They shredded a lot of paper. That's one time. Jeffrey tells all his employees, buy my stock, or not my stock, but buy stocks, buy shares of this company while he sells all his shares in private. As the media begins circling the story, criminal investigations were launched.

Cliff Baxter, this is where it gets sad. Cliff Baxter, a trader who often went on Jeffrey Skilling's wild adventures, like I was talking about earlier, he cashed in over $30 million from Enron stock. So it's funny because what I'm about to say takes a very dark turn. But this guy, another example of a person that got out, kind of scot-free. He was like...

He took out or he earned 30 million from Enron stock and could have just like been like it wasn't like FBI or anyone was after him. Could have kind of just like lived his life. But he's probably more like us where he was like, I feel so fucking shitty about what I've been a part of and all this stuff. And mind you, he had like a family and kids after being called to testify in court.

Cliff Baxter would get in his Mercedes, drive down a quiet street and shoot himself. Oh, my God. God. So it's just like, yeah, you know, it's just like it's like we the most of the stories like fuck that guy. He's the worst. Yeah. And you're like, there's real people here who are like there.

They're like conscious eating at them. And you're just like, I can't deal with this. It reminds you that it actually happened. Because I think sometimes these stories are so crazy it wasn't even that long ago. But you're like, whatever. So super sad in that regard. Let's move back to Andy Fastow, the chief financial officer. This was the guy that was like the face of the company as far as the public eye. Because no one saw an interview from anyone but this dude.

He would plead guilty to committing wire fraud. He ratted out and cut himself a deal to testify against other Enron executives. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison but only served six after he paid $23 million in fines.

I bet he owed his friends a lot of money after that. So if you say, might like give them inside scoop, your sentence is usually... Look, if you're paying the government $23 million, they're like, yeah, we'll cut that a bit. But also it's like, they will shorten your sentence if you can give them more. Like in Wolf of Wall Street. Exactly. If you can give them information on who's a part of it and all that stuff. So he like...

Maybe he's got a good bone in his body after all, maybe. Like, I know he, like, did a bunch of bad shit, but, yeah, he's, like, another maybe an okay guy. Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling were both found guilty of conspiracy and fraud, among other things. And when I say among other things, they were, like, upwards of, like, 30 different things they were charged with, but the most important, just to get the point across, is they were found guilty of conspiracy and fraud. But, like, wiretapping...

Not wiretapping. Wire fraud. Right. Like, again, different financial, like, like. Very white collar. Illegal things that, like, lawyers would know the terms for, but I don't. Totally. I'm not going to. No, hey, we can, we know the type. But the charges stacked up. Right. Jeff and Kenny do seem like the worst out of all of them. Yeah. Yeah. Like the douchiest. Yeah.

But it's weird because, like, if you look up Kenneth, he's, like – or, I'm sorry, Kenny. Kenny Boy. He's, like, an older man. Like, he's, like, in his 60s and, like – Oh. I don't know. Jeffrey's a little younger, but Jeffrey looks way more like a monster. Yeah. I felt that. I was trying to imagine what they looked like. I think I was thinking of, like, kind of Leo this whole time. Yeah, you'd think so. Or you would want to think that. You would want to. But no. It never is that way, is it? It's not, yeah. So –

They're found guilty. Jeffrey Skilling was sentenced to 24 years in prison and was actually released in 2019. Oh, and he got out to a pandemic. Because here's the thing, which is, yeah, yeah, funny way to reenter society. And this is where I wanted just to quickly say, and I made a note of putting this down, was like, it's funny when you deal with like,

Because these men are criminals, but they're not in the normal sense of like murderers or rapists or you know what I mean? Like, yeah, but they still need like a punishment. And I think that's what like, even though they did fuck over a ton of people, that's why you're only seeing them do like 20 years ish in prison. Right. Like it's not the work. They didn't kill anybody. Well, I mean, like a dude killed himself. He did. And it just does make me sad if like.

Your grandma like lost all of her money because they were lying and being selfish. It's just like it could ruin someone's life. Yeah. They're just like they're just like if you had a personal like connection to the story, you'd probably like, no, that dude deserves to be totally. Yeah. I guess it's different. Perspective. Perspective. Yeah. Totally. Yeah.

So, I don't know. That just, that always intrigues me. That is an interesting thought, though. Yeah. It's like, they're not the worst people on earth, but, like, they're shitty people. Yeah, they're just being shitty. Yeah, they're just doing really shitty stuff.

So yeah, he got out in 2019 and the craziest thing is he's like making his way back in the energy industry Of course, this always happens, doesn't it? They're like, now I have a product Yeah, yeah, a vlog Like swipe up for my vlog Link in bio He's gonna have a podcast He is We could have him on Wow, we should You'd be like, everything you said was not true Who the fuck is this Quinn guy? Yeah

X-E-I-I. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So...

Okay, he's now back working in the energy industry, which kind of blew my mind when I read that. Oh, my God. Kenneth died of a heart attack in the time between his verdict and sentencing. He was being sentenced to 24 years in prison in 2006, and he died of a heart attack before the sentence was read. That sucks. Damn. Do you think, like, the stress? Probably. Probably. And the drugs that he did while on Wall Street. Do you think they all were doing cocaine, these people? I think so.

There was nothing I found that was like they were all coke heads. Right. But one could presume that there was narcotics involved. Some recreational activities. I always liked what Matthew McConaughey said in Wolf of Wall Street. He keeps you quick between the ears. Can you imagine? I am surprised like

So with our Studio 54 episode, they went to jail for fraud and stuff. When they came out, they weren't allowed to work in the bar industry again. Like, I feel like when you go to jail for something like that, like, you shouldn't be allowed when it's that grand. There should be, like, a rule in place. Like, you can't come back to this job. Yeah. The trust is gone. The trust is gone. And it's broken. But to be fair, it's like, if you're stupid enough to go invest money with that guy again, like, you deserve to be broken.

to be pregnant. That's true. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Fair point. Yeah, so Kenneth Lay dies and he was 64 years old. So like not too old of a guy. No, no, not at all. 64 is not. And I think you're right, Tess, just from like stress and like I would imagine like a heart attack, like yeah. Yeah. Or he was like the most unhealthy person.

I would assume he was just like very like grief stricken. Yeah. In all, 20,000 people lost their jobs because of Enron. Oh, crazy. And again, like you have to feel for that's like 20,000 families, 20,000. That's a shit ton of ripple effect. Yeah. It's really, really sad. And the ripple effect that has on that ripple. Like, yeah, you know? Yeah. I guess that's what a ripple effect is. I want to make sure to touch on.

I'm like, ripple effect. Just seen it in my mind. Ripple, ripple, ripple, ripple. Yes, yeah. I wanted to, the last section here is about the auditing that took place. Because I think anyone now listening is like, that's an auditor's job is to be like, this is shady. Right. We're going to flag it and like cut it down before it gets even bigger. Right. How did it not? Right. So how did it not? Exactly. So.

Again, my first bullet here is the job of an auditor is to inspect an organization's financial accounts and make sure they're correct and comply with the law. Every public company legally has to have their financial statements audited.

Which, that's not like a new thing. That's been around since, I don't know when, but definitely in the 90s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2000. Yeah, yeah. The primary purpose of an auditor is to prevent things like this from happening so that investors can take an auditor's report and assess whether or not a company is worth investing money into. Clearly, I mean.

A lot of sense. Yeah. The auditors would have seen red flags all over the place if they were doing their job properly, but they literally weren't doing their job. So let me explain on this.

In fact, they weren't... Okay, I said, in fact, they weren't doing it at all. Enron was paying them to look the other way. So Enron was bribing them. So among the things that Skilling and Leigh were accused of, bribing had to be in there. Of course. Yeah. They were like, look, here's...

I don't know, whatever amount of money. Like a criminal offense. 100%. What's this all like? Well, a criminal offense to the auditors, too, no? Yeah, right? Like, don't they? So, I never found, let me, okay, let me go a little further here. Because I never actually found, so the auditing company, Arthur Anderson, that was responsible for auditing

was also among going back to like the top five list they were in the top five accounting firms in the country at the time so it was arthur anderson deloitte which is still big kpmg pwc ernst and young and i have to shout out ernst young because my brother-in-law works for ernst and young i also performed at an ernst and young event recently in boston oh my god like a work event it was

weird yeah yeah as you would imagine you know there's like 30 like young people and then like a bunch of old guys in the back like who the fuck is this guy yeah yeah but you just had to you gotta play them all had to throw that in yeah of course and then Arthur Anderson which was uh yeah like who we're talking about almost all major companies at the time would use one of these five accounting firms to audit their statements and

This list has now decreased to four because since this, Arthur Anderson has also gone bankrupt. They're like, no one wants to trust your guys' word because you were fucking helping Enron. Oh, my God. Of course I wouldn't. I'm not going to hire you to audit my company that I'm looking into. Wow. Yeah.

Reputation and trustworthiness with accounting firms is paramount. It's everything. Right. So the minute they were involved in the scandal, investors did not want to work with them. So that goes without saying. God. The auditors didn't do a good job of protecting investors from Enron's scandal, but they weren't fully to blame. So I want to make that point also. I didn't see anyone from Arthur Anderson, the firm,

like deal with like jail time or which is very interesting yeah because they took it right they played into it no they were conspiring against like yeah they were guilty by association yeah right right not even by like like

fully aware of the association. It's not like they were just like, oh my gosh, what happened? They were encouraging it. Yeah. So I could be wrong, but from the research that I did, I didn't see anyone from that firm that was sentenced to prison time or fines paid or what have you.

which I thought was very fascinating. So lastly, guys, the Enron aftermath. This scandal has since drastically impacted the way that the accounting world makes its rules, which it was like the biggest benchmark from how now people deal with accounting. The government has since created huge requirements for record keeping and also has enforced criminal penalties for security law violations. The new standard for auditors and the checks and balances that go along with the

that go along with the accounting industry in general has risen drastically. Like, for example, Luke, my brother-in-law, he's like, we have to go through so many hurdles to, like, be like you're officially – you've officially been audited. You know what I mean? Like, it's not just like, oh, yeah, that looks good. You're good. You know what I mean? It's just like so many, like –

Again, this is me speaking from no history of working in an accounting firm, but what he's told me, it's like there's a lot of shit they have to do. Yeah, I bet. One of which is that...

Since Enron, a regulation has been passed stating that CEOs and CFOs legally have to sign off on financial statements and certify them so later they can't say they never saw them or weren't aware of what was going on, which is literally exactly what Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling were doing. And you'll even see if you look it up on YouTube, Jeffrey Skilling was under oath for

It was, like, on C-SPAN. I don't know if it was in front of, like, the Supreme Court or something, but it was, like, he was being interrogated, and he was, like, at no point during any of this did I know any of this was happening. Like, playing dumb to the fullest. And now it's, like, no. Like, you... If you...

have your company being audited, you have to sign off on it. You have to be like, I've seen the statements. Let's move forward. Yes. I mean, thank God. That makes sense. But like how though? How in like 2000 was that not a thing? Right. God, but when you think of so many things in 2000, like 20 years, you know, you're just like, damn, we're in a different place with so many things. Technology has changed things too. But honestly, even like in, you know, I just watched that Woodstock documentary from 99. It's like the way like women were treated in like,

Yeah. It's not that long ago, but drastically different. We have a long way to go, but so much has changed. It's so true. Yeah. It's really crazy.

The company has since become a symbol of corporate fraud. Right. That's great. Yeah, good for you guys. Yet it leaves a long legacy. And this is actually what's very fascinating. It leaves still a long legacy of products and services that we take for granted today, from energy trading to streaming video. So Enron did a deal. So back when I was telling you guys about how they would – if they were like, let's do a deal for $50 million in 10 years if we think – or I'm sorry –

Do a deal with a company and we'll speculate it's going to make us $30 million. And like, that's how we'll put it down in our books right now. And like we're worth 30 million. They actually, to give a real life example, they did that with Blockbuster. They were going to make the first streaming service in 2000 with Blockbuster. So it was like way before I even thought streaming services was even a possibility, but apparently it was. And they did a thing with Blockbuster, a 10 year deal.

And I keep saying 10, but, like, these years have changed. Like, not everyone did contracts for 10 years, but, like, in this case, it was 10. Blockbuster gave them $50 million. They were like, we evaluate this is going to make you $50 million. Enron wrote it down in their book as, like, we are currently now worth $50 million. And Blockbuster, through, like, the technology issues, like, backed out of it for some reason. But basically, like...

Everything that I've explained earlier about the way they manipulated deals, they did that with Blockbuster. And it could have been like a big, like we could have probably heard of streaming services much earlier than we are. And it would have been Blockbuster. And it would have been Blockbuster. Oh, that makes more sense. And now Blockbuster has since gone out of business. Well, there's one left. In Oregon, right?

Bend, Oregon, and wear Corey's hair and slips. Wait, have you been to it? No, and I just told Corey because we walked out, or there's a guy walking down the street with a Blockbuster Bend, Oregon shirt, and I was like, we have to go next time we're there. I went to one in Bowling Green. There's a documentary on it, right? In Netflix? Like the last Blockbuster? Really? We have to watch. Patreon episode? Yes. Yeah, there is. Bowling Green. There's one in Bowling Green, Kentucky that I went to in 2016. I think it's closed now. I think the...

Literally, I'm so sorry to tell you, the only one left is in Bend. Oh, it makes me so sad. But going back to that ripple effect. Yeah, yeah. They were associated with Enron. It's like, they're fucked now, you know? God, is that me? RIP Blockbuster. Justice for Blockbuster. The best times in life are going into that spot. Yes, justice for Blockbuster. Which, by the way, viewers can't, or listeners can't see what I'm wearing, but I am wearing a...

And there it is. Crew neck. And it looks gorgeous on you. It does. You can buy it from us. Yeah, but don't buy it yet because... Team Rammies. No, but you didn't have the... I know, the Team Rammies. We'll get it figured out. An important part was not printed on this copy. God, Mike, you ratted us out. So I have like the OG version. Yeah, the OG. We'll get you in the next round. Yeah. So Enron's innovations include modern day energy trading as well as internet video conferencing,

And movies on demand years before Zoom and Netflix. So they actually did cool shit. It was innovative for sure. They were just funded by the devil. And there it is. Enron revolutionized trading for natural gas and electricity. They brought efficiency and transparency to the markets for these economies.

So, yeah, like, basically, they just, yeah, they were, in all the bad that was associated, they actually ended up doing good things for, like, the world, I think. They, like, started something. Yeah, yeah. But at such a bad, like, price. Yeah, at what cost? Cost, yeah, yeah. Other things worth noting, and I didn't have time to, like, really get into this, but, like, Enron intentionally, and I wish I'd really talked about this more, they caused

because we're in California, so this is prevalent to us. Back in the early 2000s, or I think it was maybe either late 90s or 2000 on the dot, they would cause intentional power outages because they got involved in owning the electricity in certain states. And when they would see California using a shit ton of their electricity, they would purposely turn it off to then give more to other states.

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How you can own electricity blows my mind. I don't even know. Yeah. But basically, California suffered like crazy power outages back in the day because Enron was just like, we're going to turn your electricity off. That is so annoying. Yeah. Yeah. And it's kind of scary to think about that someone can be like, I'm going to turn this off. I feel like someone still could do that. Yeah. Yeah. For like a month, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's like big brother shit. We take electricity for granted. Yeah. Yeah, we do. But really, really, really crazy. Yeah.

Kenneth Lay, yeah, ties to George W. Bush. Oh, Enron helped get, again, I don't know the details of this, but they helped elect Arnold Schwarzenegger as the governor of California. Wow. What a wild card. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. God. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, there is a bug that has been circling and all of us have been trying to be like, quietly shut up. He's like, I have one more point about Enron. He fucked my family over in the 90s. He's like, Sam! Yeah, yeah. You piece of shit. Yeah, guys, that's like pretty much it. Like, like, like... I have just like any...

guest that's going to come on after you has such a high bar now. Are we good? How long is the episode? And again, everyone listening, there's probably holes I haven't filled yet as far as facts. You know where you are. Yeah, come find me. Please do. That was phenomenal. Thank you guys. I felt like I was on a journey in a different time that I can't understand, but it felt

I don't know how to, I'm sorry, I'm so high. I thought it was fantastic. But it felt like a movie. You're high like the executives, you know? Exactly. It felt like a roller coaster and you did such a good job. You really did. I'm so impressed. Thank you guys. That really, seriously, that like, and also, and I told you before, I was like, I think I like bit off more than I could chew with this topic, but I was just praying it made any sense. It flowed so naturally. I feel like I could have listened to it for another hour. A true storyteller. Cool, cool.

Thank you, guys. We do have a question for you that we will now ask all of our guests. Shoot. You're going to ask your guests this exact question. Oh, yeah. If you could smoke a joint with anyone from history, dead or alive, and spend hours with them as I knock over my weed pen, who would it be? It's actually like the quickest answer I could give you. Oh, wow. Bill Murray.

Bill Murray. Okay. So Bill Murray. So I have, I mean, people listening can't see, but I have his tattoo right here on my arm. Oh, yeah. So it's from the Life Aquatic, which is a Wes Anderson film. Yes. And that's his character, Steve Zissou, in the show, or in the movie. Have you guys read, like, the Bill Murray, like, there's books on Bill Murray's, like, just stories about Bill Murray. I haven't. I feel like there's, that's a thing of, like, people have run into Bill Murray. So, this is actually a great way to end the conversation, by the way.

If you love Enron, you're going to love Bill Murray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all connected. But Bill Murray shows up to people's parties randomly. And there's a whole book written on this. People's random encounters with Bill Murray. And...

I've read like he's shown up to bachelor parties in South or like South Carolina and Charleston where he just like ends up taking shots with everybody. And like, he's like the last person to leave and cleans up everything like out of nowhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or like Bill Murray has been to like,

What was it? It was like a baptism before. People see Bill Murray everywhere, but the cool thing about Bill Murray, he's kind of the last mysterious celebrity. He doesn't own a cell phone. He doesn't have a manager. He doesn't have a manager? He has one toll-free number that you have.

toll free. He has a landline number that you have to call and that's, if you want to get in contact with Bill Murray, you have to call that number and most people don't know it because they're not, you know, like you have to be kind of in the in with Bill Murray. Wow.

But, like, it's amazing, right? Like, isn't that so interesting and fascinating? He would be so fun to smoke a joint with. Right. And, like, all the shit that he could just, like, you know, from, like, Caddyshack to... Lost in Translation? Lost in Translation. I was just going to say, I was going to say Sleep is in Seattle, weirdly. I mean, similar vibe. In different ways. Lost in Translation is incredible. Is he married? I don't think so. Does he have a partner? Do you think he's, like, a lone wolf? No way. Actually, after I said no way, I was like, but? Does he have children? I don't think he...

Yeah. Like Bill Murray kids. Yeah, I think he does. I don't know if he's married, though, honestly. Oh, it looks like he has quite a few. Luke Murray, Jackson Murray, Cooper Murray. Are these? Hold on. These can't be his kids. Wait, these are screenshots. Murray Murray. Screenshot this. All very different ethnicities. So I think I should. Maybe Bill got around. I don't know. Maybe he did. That's true. That is true. But some, well, I mean, that would be crazy. So.

Is he married, though? Because I don't know if he is. It looks like he has, I don't see spouses or kids. Just nieces and nephews. Okay, sorry. I'll fact check this because Lord knows. Yeah. But, yeah. Oh, Margaret Kelly. But they got divorced. And then Jennifer Butler, but they got divorced in 2008. So he's been married twice. Currently single. Not currently. Wow. So ladies. Yeah. Or gentlemen. He just seems like the coolest, like, in my opinion, the coolest guy to, like, hear things from.

I love that answer. That's such a good answer. Me too. I would love to meet. I would love to be just like popped in right now. I was like, well, Bill. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Murray. Can you imagine? That would be wild. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Um, but thank you guys for having me. Mike, thank you so much for coming on. Please have me on again. Yes. Do you have anything? You just had a single come out. I had a single come out. Yep. It's called backpack. It's phenomenal. So good. Thank, thank you guys very much. Um,

And I have an album coming out that's going to come out top of next year. Oh, my gosh. And followed by like a world tour, which is exciting. A world tour. We'll have to do a Rams podcast like on the road. Stop, Mike. Like a tour bus episode. Stop. Don't make us weep. Seriously. Actually, though. We're doing it. That sounds amazing. Okay, we're doing it. We're doing it. We're doing it. We'll be there. That sounds super cool, actually. Oh, God. That's so exciting. But yeah, no. I mean, like, that's pretty much what's going on with my life. But thank you guys. Again, like, I'm a huge fan. We're

We're already friends outside of this, but like, I love what you guys do and I will always. Thank you. We feel the same way about you and we appreciate you so much. Yes. Thank you guys. And guys, follow Mike on Instagram at. Yes. Quinn XC. It's Quinn 92, but you have to spell Quinn, Quinn, Q-U-I-N-N-X-C-I-I. Which is good because you'll learn your numerals. The Roman numerals. Roman numerals. You'll learn your numeral Romans. Yes.

You'll learn your numbers. Yeah, it's a good little study. Exactly. Yeah, follow us on Instagram at Right Answers Mostly. And go to Trivia Night. I have been, and it's fucking awesome. A trivia Rodrigo. Not just saying that. That's my trivia. The OG. Yeah, the OG. We always come in last. Well, I saved the best for last. Not for long, though. Not for long. If it's an Enron episode. Yep. Exactly. You'll know it. You'll know it.

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