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Welcome to the Hatchat Podcast, episode number something... 189. 189. We've had a few episodes off, unfortunately, so apologies for that. If for whatever reason, not because of tech issues, you couldn't hear that intro, of course, that was the perfectly nostalgic OG Hatchat Podcast intro sound. It was. The original. Oh!
Wow. Which also means, yeah, send in your fingers to hatchat at hat-films.com. Ding dong. Ding dong. We'll probably play it, you know? Likely. Send them in to our email, which is hatchat at hat-films.com. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, episode 189 is literally...
four weeks since the last one. Is there a cool Pokemon stat for the number 189? What's Pokemon number 189? Pokemon stat? I have no idea. Pokemon's a quite big thing, isn't it? But when you start getting big numbers, you kind of jump to which Pokemon is that, right? That's Jump Pluff.
That is Jumpluff. Jumpluff. Jumpluff travels on seasonal winds. Once its cotton spores run out, its journey ends, as does its life. It's the third evolution. Oh, wow. Fucking hell. Jeez, Jumpluff just dies at the end of its life cycle. It's just like a bit of cotton in the wind. It literally has a fluffy breeze as an attack. Oh, this website's weird. I'm looking at like a stat readout, and it says gender chlorophyll, but that's not... It's just the way it's laid out. Oh.
It's weak against fire, ice, poison, flying and rock. That's a lot to be weak against. That is not a powerful one. Technically, it's literally just a bit of detritus in the wind. That's the level of Pokemon we're talking. I think that's better than... It's the third evolution as well. That's the third version of that fucking chain. It's better than Trubbish, though. Trubbish is literally rubbish. How dare you? It's got a life. It's based on rubbish.
Well, I'm glad... Hold on. Let's focus on this poor small creature that dies at the end of his life cycle and talk about another poor small creature that hit the news this week. Oh, yeah. There's a row in Australia over an influencer that grabbed a baby wombat on the side of the street. Oh, yeah. Did you see this? I didn't see the actual video of it. So, well, they grabbed a wombat. So...
influencer, if we call them that, a social media poster, a person that puts their videos on the internet to make money. They are a hunter. They also do other like crap like that, but they walked over and they were... Side of a road. And picked up a baby wombat that was following its mother. The baby wombat obviously goes nuts and then the mother gets really stressed out, but they film it for
And they're just like holding that up to the camera and stuff. Like how I managed to catch it, obviously that's pretty horrible. Most people would probably think that's pretty horrible. The baby as well? Yeah. Oh my God. Did she pull it from the mum? I'm watching the clip now. It's crazy. They want you to grab the baby as it's following the mum. Yeah, it's not fun. Oh, that's just rude, isn't it? That's rude. It's got such attention now that the Prime Minister of Australia has addressed it.
and uh in true australian fashion has uh suggested to the influencer that perhaps they try picking up other baby animals in australia including crocodiles how about you go and try and pick up a baby croc and see how how you go and he just keeps looking see how you go you know like it's hilarious that he's essentially gone yeah try and fuck with a crocodile hopefully it'll kill you but like uh yeah i'm guessing they put it
back right yeah they put it back and i think they deported the person now as well but it really really blew up um but it was quite yeah i think there's a trend of filming yourself doing crimes in there in general on the internet i suppose that was always going to happen with the accessibility of just having a camera on your phone but like yeah and then obviously yeah posting it for likes or judgment i suppose in this scenario
I wish she'd done it with a koala because they carry chlamydia. Drop bears. Huh? Don't they just drop on you? They aren't real, Ross. Drop bears is a fucking Australian legend. I thought drop bear was a term for koala bears that just drop out of the... Am I wrong in that thinking? Maybe I am. So drop bear is like an urban myth. Drop bear koala? Drop bears are an urban legend. Oh, shit, yeah. Drop bear is like a beast. But it looks like a koala that's like...
Like a pissed off koala. Yeah. Might be just a juiced up koala that became a myth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's why it's because it looks a bit koala-y. Yeah, I think that's why. Yeah, that's not. Don't worry, when I was first in... I assume they just fell out of the trees and just, oh, fucking koala.
When I first was in Australia, I asked that. I was walking through a rainforest hike. And I was like, so, the drop bear thing. The guy was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, they've got really hardened butts and they'll drop down from above and they'll break your neck. And I was just like, what the fuck?
Well, I'm glad it... Well, it still is. I mean, if a bear falls on you, I would call it a drop bear regardless. Yeah, yeah. But the drop bear in this image was very gross. It had, like, vicious teeth and blood. Like vampire teeth. Yeah. Yeah. That's scary. Not real, turns out. No. Are koalas friendly? Yeah, they're all right. They're not... I mean, they're not... Unless you rip them from their mother. Well, I think any animal being torn from its mother... Imagine doing that to a kangaroo. Fuck me. It's not advised to handle koalas because they carry chlamydia. Yeah.
Unless you've got it already. What have you got already? So they all have chlamydia? A lot of them have chlamydia. Well, if I've already got it, then I'm fine, right? Well, then you've probably got a different strain of chlamydia. That's the problem. So you'd end up getting super chlamydia, probably. Ultra chlamydia. And then you have another pandemic where everyone catches chlamydia from Chris Trot. He thought he already had it, so he started grabbing koalas.
infection rates ranging from 20% to 90% in some areas and can lead to blindness infertility and even death they're particularly vulnerable to it unfortunately and it lives on them very easily Jesus yeah so koalas they're not too bad they're you know they're not hand up
Little vicious pieces of shit on they koalas depends on the koala. I think it's just like little stubborn pieces of crap Characteristics real little shit bags it says here and on the Wikipedia Really little shit banks. I just imagine them being like the roll night. Fuck you. Mmm
They're not cute. Kind of like badgers, where they look cute, but they'll fucking fight. Yeah, see, that's the thing. Badgers. Imagine a badger, Ross. You wouldn't try and interact with a badger, really, would you? No. Sometimes try and interact with a fox. They've probably got quite an aggressive... And also, yeah, the TB thing is pretty big. Pretty big deal. You had that for ages, didn't you? They spread TB. Remember when you had TB for years? Do you ever think about what there was about our lifestyle in Filton that made you cough so much?
Do you think it could have been like a damp thing or like a dust thing? Maybe. I was in the bottom room, which was colder. I don't know if that was necessarily an issue. I don't know. We always used to joke about Ross having TV. Might be. I still have to clear my throat all the time. I don't know what that is.
Maybe your mouth, the gullet angle is all wrong. I like to think your tongue might be on an angle that drops everything back constantly. Do you snore? Maybe that's also combined with that. A lot of people snore, though. It's hard not to. I have to use those shitty nose drips to stop it. I don't know if it works, really. I think sometimes it does. Yeah.
Sometimes you wake up just with a sore throat because you're like, oh fuck, I must have been going at it last night. Chopping some wood. You're like, Jesus, fuck. When I drink beer, I snore. It usually makes you swell up.
oh is it inflammation yeah so like a lot like um like beer produces a histamine response so you can you swell up a little bit so you just got to knock back like 10 or so antihistamines before you go to bed is what you can help antihistamines can help in a lot of ways i just have no idea what the long-term health effects of constantly taking antihistamines are i will find out because i'm sure it's not too depends which one it is i guess well interacting and interrupting a natural process of the body is always going to have some sort of cost i think
Yeah, but when that natural thing is causing an allergic reaction, it's...
Which one's the lesser of two evils, you know? Yeah. You say that because there was a news story about a specific drug. I think you saw the story as well. Yeah. Where patients were prescribed a drug for like restless leg syndrome. Which is brutal. And also Parkinson's as well. But the side effects led them to seek out risky sexual behavior and caused like gambling issues. Oh, shit. But seriously, like you laugh at first, right? But then you hear about those. Genuinely serious issues.
And like I saw that, I think I was quite blurry out in the morning when I saw this article. I was like, what the fuck? Like...
This is just, there's a drug that just kind of makes you super crazy libido. I feel like prefacing this with... It's on BBC News. I've put all the links on the doc. Yeah. So it's like restless leg syndrome, BBC. Side effects gambling. There's a gambling one as well, yeah. So there was a woman who was in a loving relationship that was going out flashing men, cruising for men in public early in the morning. She would flash them constantly until one of them basically just was like, yeah, do you want to go shag?
and she would just do that like every day because of these drugs like and it sounds insane doesn't it just reading that there it's just like well maybe this is an excuse for like deviant behavior but then you're like this is there's a pattern there's a lot of people who've had these effects or like it's caused them to go into debt drug can change your psyche like yeah what is to do with dopamine affects the dopamine in your body and kind of makes you kind of chase like a feeling because it's called a dopamine agonist drug right um
They didn't see that side effect when they went through trials then. No. And it's just like, yeah, 66 year old here with crazy gambling. He got into crazy gambling and received a 70,000 settlement after the side effect of the drug caused it essentially.
You know, it's times like this that I'm happy I didn't try my grandfather's Parkinson's drugs for fun. Because it did cross my mind. Why? Why? Some people say they check in of people's cabinets when they go around their houses for what drugs they've got and maybe they'll try them. But like...
Fuck. Why would you want to try it? Because they're dopamine antagonists. As in, they're basically just like, you know, they could be party drugs in the right context. And they're so nice and controlled. Everything everyone says about ADHD drugs does make me want to try them. Well, yeah, it's super focused. Because I'm like, shit, maybe I do want to try it without having to go through the room. Basically Adderall, isn't it? Yeah, Adderall. Ritalin, is it, in the UK? Yeah, it's focused drugs, but it does have a big downside. You know, you'll feel pretty shitty afterwards. Not if you keep taking them.
But yeah, like, yeah, I obviously didn't do that. And I'm glad I didn't because crazy things, unexpected things like this can happen when you don't know what you're taking. But I mean, the main focus here is these people suffered these horrendous side effects just trying to get rid of their restless leg syndrome. Which apparently some people say tying a sock around your foot can help.
Like, is it tying a sock around your foot? For what? The rest of itself? Stops you from paddling your feet around. Oh, really? So it's restless leg? Yeah. I've not tried it. I've not had restless legs. I get it in my quads. Give it a try. It's fucking horrible. Or wrap something around it and apparently that kind of like feels like... You've never got restless legs from mushrooms? Well, I've got restless legs before but like not really like...
The one time I had truffles. Nothing that I would ever go, oh shit, I need to take medication for it. Chestnut mushrooms. No, no. When I had hallucinogenic truffles in Amsterdam, I got, one of the worst things about it was I had about four hours of restless legs afterwards. And that is such a horrible feeling. It's the need to stretch your legs. The feeling is you need to stretch them. But for me, it goes all the way through my quads. So I just can't possibly, unless I like blitz my quads with like a million squats, I can't get that feeling out. And it is horrible. It's
What if I don't have restless leg, but I do have the deviant sexual behavior? What drug do I get for that? Well, I don't know. Cause this, this, this drug increases that. So I guess if you, maybe, maybe this works if your sex drive is dead and you're like, shit, do you know what I should take this? Uh,
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Hang on, maybe I shouldn't advertise it. It's Rapinrol. Right. Dopamine agonist Rapinrol. It doesn't sound like it causes a good sexual urge. This is the thing. It seems like they've lost all control. Yeah. Because it says impulsive behaviors including gambling and increased sex drive have long been listed as side effects in medicine leaflets for dopamine agonist drugs. A common side effect of any medicine can be considered to only affect as few as 1% of people who take it.
So I guess it's enough of a pattern. Yeah, I guess obviously, yeah. One in a hundred is pretty big. Yeah. Especially if you're running around like kind of offering sex to strangers on the street. That sounds wild, doesn't it? Yeah. What it is, it's like bipolar-like behavior, isn't it? It's like psychosis-like behavior. Because this person had a family, like they had a husband and stuff, yet they were still just, you know, going out on the streets in see-through tops and just flashing men. And they were just like, yeah, okay.
No, you've got to be like, who are those guys? So gross. I know. It's so dangerous. That's the thing. Like fucking hell. Like, good God. That's crazy. Yeah. But Hey, that was a great, a couple of crazy stories this week. They're all just about the usual stuff. Baby wombat grabbing and deviant restless legs. Uh,
What else is going on? This one came up a lot, which was Tennessee man shot by his dog while lying in bed. That happens more often than you'd expect, doesn't it? A bullet grazed the Memphis man's thigh after his one-year-old pit bull got his paw stuck in a gun's trigger guard. Oh my god. If that isn't the most American thing you've ever heard, it's that your dog accidentally shot you. Luckily, he didn't kill him. Obviously, he damaged his thigh, but like...
Jesus. What is... It's just... You know. God damn it. These guys are trying to put guns in schools, teachers and stuff. It's just like this dog is going to start...
John Wick. That's an anomaly though, right? Well, you hear loads of stories of toddlers getting hold of people's bags and stuff. It's, you know, but this one is, I can't imagine there's many, it can't be a huge stat on dog related shootings. Dogs seem to be learning how to wield guns. This dog's on attack. He's got a gun. He's got a shooter. The biggest mass shooting in history happened to be a seagull that got his legs snarled in an AR-15 trigger guard. Secure that!
It's desperately flapping trying to kick it off, but it's shooting faster the magazine laws make a lot more sense now that lady rounders still going still fucking shooting
Everyone, throw your fucking fishing chips. Throw them. Fucking hell. Oh, God, it's reloading. How's it reloading? It's got mags. It's got extra mags. What the fuck? That's not a seagull. That's a goddamn bald eagle. We're going to charge terrorists. It knows what it's doing. That's silly. Yeah, and that was an issue. That's quite a silly one. There was also...
scientists turning cockroaches into cyborgs, giving them navigation. Oh, I saw this. Did we mention this? They reprogram cockroaches, basically. They just use cockroaches as mini machines. We've all seen Men in Black, right? Yeah. Yeah.
You think the bugs... I think there'll be an alien cockroach that will feel sorry for them, and then we'll try and wipe this out. We can get onto aliens after the cockroaches. Yeah, sorry. There's been a lot of development. Holy shit, the image of this is crazy. There's like a chipboard attached to the back of this cockroach. It seems pretty cruel. Crazy. It's super fucked, yeah. I mean, yeah, it seems cruel, but I guess people stomp on cockroaches like they're nothing, though. Yeah. So if you're going to at least utilize them for science...
Why not? Hot glue a chip port to their back and take over their functional processes. Rather than crushing you into the ground.
Ross, have you had the choice between being instantly stomped to death or somebody putting wires into your body, into your brain to try and make you do things for them? Yeah. Which option are you taking? I feel like I don't have a choice in either of those. Because like... You want a quick stomping. You don't want to be turned into a fucking android. You want a quick stomping, of course. But I feel like you're going to get stomped either way or this machine thing will kill you. But what does it enhance your life? It won't.
With hands. You're literally being puppeteered. What if it's going to enhance your life, guys? What if it's like Neuralink and what they're promising? They're not going to put that effort into a cockroach. Why not? All they're doing is they've got a little fucking Logitech controller like they did for Ocean. And they're steering this cockroach around against its will. I kind of feel like these kind of things are sort of a little bit pointless. I feel like we're going to be able to manufacture more useful objects before we need to go
We could build a tiny, a perfect robot drone, or we could maybe catch a few cockroach and hope that we can wire them up right. Ah fuck, this cockroach didn't grow right and like the flight mechanics are all off. It may not be too... What was the purpose of this experiment? It says here...
The concept involves fucking climbing inside your body and tickling the right spots. And it says, concept involves combining the best of both worlds, the organic cockroach anatomy, fine-tuned across millions of years of evolution to navigate small spaces and hostile environments.
guided to a target destination of human choosing by a few electronic nudges from a high-tech backpack. They're literally droning a cockroach. Sounds like a special weapon from fucking Rainbow Six or something. Let's shut that fucking shit down. Quickly, send in the cockroach bugs. The literal bugs. They're going to bug rooms with them. It's like that little kind of... What's that thing in Dune which they just sent into a room which let a spike... That was really cool, wasn't it? It was a hunter-killer drone. You won't see that thing coming.
A cockroach with this kind of material on it, though, you'll see that scuttling across the ground. It honestly is just a giant... It looks quite... It's the same size as the cockroach chipboard. Yeah, but it's quite a big board, to be honest with you. I would have thought they could print smaller ones than that, you know? Oh, yeah. Think about the ones that were on, like, I don't know, in phones, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Didn't they make a new board recently that was, like, one millimetre wide or something? One nanometre? Oh, yes. Well, no, the actual board. Oh, okay.
Am I wrong in saying that? No, yeah. What is that chip? They've made like the smallest chip. Smallest chip.
Fuck did I put that thing? One of the smallest chips, technically IBM's two nanometer chip technology. Puts 50 billion transistors, each the size of roughly five atoms on a space no bigger than your fingernail. 50 billion. How? Technology, man. Tiny little gate. They're on the atomic level. Steady hands. Steady, steady hands. Steady hands. That's kind of crazy. Tweezers, man. It's so hard to fathom. 49 million.
999. Oh, fuck! It's like the house of customers coming down, man. It's a fucking redo. The yield on these chips is not going to be good. One every 10 years. Oh my God. Actually, it would take way longer than 10 years. 50 billion transistors. What was that thing that Microsoft released recently that was like basically a new element chip?
But didn't they announce there was a new element or some shit? Yeah, they had to discover a new element to be able to create this quantum chip. I mean...
Did they know it exists based on physics? Majorana 1 chip. Majorana 1. It looks pretty cool. It looks like a retro future chip. Looks funky, doesn't it? Looks like a fancy card you might get in a game that you have to then put on a door to access something. It's a very futuristic look to it. But inside it apparently has... So it's not liquid or gas. It's a topoconductor chip.
Am I saying that wrong? Yeah, no, that's right. A breakthrough type of material which can observe and control Majorana. If it's a million cubits, quantum bits on a single chip that can fit in the palm of one's hand. Yeah. And there's a need for a threshold for quantum computers to deliver transformative real-world solutions like brute-forcing everyone's passwords globally in seconds. Is that what it's saying? I feel like you're saying that yourself. No, no, I added that in. But that is a fear. But that's absolutely something that Quantum will be able to do is...
current security methods just so you know but also more important things like figuring out how to break down microplastics into harmless byproducts or inventing self-healing materials for construction manufacturing or healthcare or creating the best AI music you've ever heard most likely replacing artists
Shit, they're slaps. Jesus, I fucking love Quantum Music. Quantum Music's the best. God, it's so good. We don't need humans anymore. It's the shittiest and the best at the same time. Quantum Music. It's like the ultimate dirty pop.
Ross, I'll be coming for you next. This quantum thing will be able to circumvent your plastic burning. Fuck off. They won't get a hold of me. They'll have to physically grab me and stop me burning plastic. It's a topo-conductor, apparently. Topological superconductor. A special category of material that can create an entirely new state of matter that's not a solid, liquid, or gas. It's a plasma or a fluid? What is it? It's a topological state. Fuck.
That's how that means. Well, topography is like the height of a map or the height of land. So it's probably like, because it's quantum, it's probably in like several dimensions. Using different layers? God, it feels... Quantum's crazy. Sci-fi. It feels like beyond what my pitty little shit smooth brain can comprehend. Imagine this is an enormous Microsoft hoax. It's like, the whole quantum thing is fucking bullshit, guys. I can't believe we strung you along this whole time. Yeah. Well, imagine if our understanding of gravity is wrong.
Oh, that's the wrong way around. That's going to be a fucking nightmare, isn't it? If any of the key concepts of physics... Yeah, someone just goes, science is completely different now. Space isn't what you thought it was. The idea of space-time. Yeah, and also the fact that there's different amounts, like different distribution of stuff in the universe than we thought, right?
way closer to the big bang than it should be yeah if that happens that's going to give like flat earth is kind of a an in i think you see things can't be different you don't know you don't know so it is all flat our entire reality just changed in an overnight therefore flat it's flat no matter how often it's proved i mean come on guys put a ball on the ground does it roll
probably not that's true it depends on it's their point i mean i like how we've got ai and like i i was thinking about this the other day i was like you know it's it's interesting to live in these current times because like it does feel like we're we have seen a little bit of a technological breakthrough or a little bit of progress like you know um in the
And but you'd never expect that like, yeah, no, we're starting to get this thing called AI. It's not really AI like everyone thought AI was going to be like, you know, but it kind of is. And everyone kind of calls it that. And it does stuff. And it's predictive text. Yeah. But it's good enough. And it seems quite powerful. I'm like, you know, it can do all sorts of things. I want like, well, like your accounts. Yeah. But like sometimes you do need to kind of ask it if it's sure about the numbers and then it will check. Yeah.
And then it will find out that it actually wasn't right the first time, but it is right now. Right. Yeah. And it's really self-affirming as well. It makes you feel like you're getting everything right. And so you can steer it wrong.
And then it'll just keep asking you for bottles of water. What? What do you mean? One more bottle of water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then mostly it'll be used for like features on phones and stuff. So like imagine if you took a picture of someone but you wanted the bin replaced with what a computer would imagine a bit of a hedge might look like instead of a bin, right? Yeah. It does a good job. It does that. It does do that well. Imagine if you wanted a rabbit. So they need the Samsung AI phone stuff, right? This is like this is where this kind of joke came from.
You can take a photo of somebody and then draw with the pen the outline of a cartoon rabbit. The AI...
built into the phone will then generate an image of a real life looking rabbit and put it on your shoulder and it looks pretty fucking good similar stuff on what's the point what is that first you can generate things and it's really good for removing things i find um yeah i know there's certain ones that are really good well content aware algorithms because ai is this broad category now
where everyone calls everything AI. Like Photoshop has had content aware fill, all these kinds of things, which nowadays people be like, oh, that's AI removing that. That's like smart algorithms doing that. But yeah, everything's got this casual term now. I don't know what point I was going to get to, but yeah, it's just crazy. Like the playground as well with Apple was like, is there an emoji that you're just trying to convey to,
and there isn't an emoji out there for you, let AI kind of figure it out for you. I haven't used that. Have you used that before? No. Is it any good? No, I've not used it. What need is there for me to have a specific emoji for a context?
And then I have to explain that emoji when it's quite a bit weird to a person. The reason there's like snot coming out of this emoji's face at like a fast pace, because I tried to do a sneeze emoji, but the AI instead just kind of exploded its face in green. That's the best I could get. Don't get me wrong, like I...
I'm very interested in AI and I love, I really want it to change our future. For the better, right? Yeah, yeah, for the better. But like, it's just funny to see like a lot of the regular uses are just like, what the fuck is the point in this? Like, you know? It just sucks that it all started based on them scraping everyone's data.
that's the only reason it exists had to go to people school didn't it it just scraped everyone's public resource of data which is like yeah there was something today saying that they think AI won't last very long if they can't have access to copyrighted materials really that's open AI open AI is trying to like change the law so that they can have unrestricted access to all copyright everything otherwise AI won't succeed basically yeah
But I'm fine with it figuring out algorithms of how to cure COVID really quickly. I really like preventative diseases. Busy work that takes people's time but doesn't need to. Stuff that would take human hours far too long to do. Instead, we're getting shit, essentially. We're getting like
creative shit a cesspool of stuff that oh that's actually pretty good it's a shame that AI made it that's ultimately what it comes down to it's like yeah a human could have made that cool song instead we've got AI just churning it out now so that's cool yeah but I think yeah the moment we can tell is when we can't tell and certain there's certain photos and stuff that you can't tell it's already at that point like the video stuff is getting insane
But it's like, why are we doing it? What's the point? There's still very uncanny valley right now. I hate AI thumbnails as well. There's a weird smoothness. Yeah, shiny smoothness. Yeah, weird, like, creepy smoothness. And, like, especially if there's, like, those videos. I think, was it Fred Durst's?
Limp Bizkit did a video with them and I guess you need to do certain lengths of clips because it basically just cuts between like shots. And it starts going crazy. It's really weird where their eyes dart around or they look really freaky and there's been some of Elon Musk looking feverish and jittery and it's like, what the fuck? This is so creepy but also accurate at the same time. Did you see the one with Elon Musk licking Donald Trump's feet? Yeah, I've seen loads of those ones. That was pretty accurate. I love that shit though. Finally, I'm getting the porn I need.
Like, you know how hard it is for a guy that's strictly into... I got such a niche. Like, despot billionaire toe play. Like, it's hard to find that stuff. The one thing I... Just follow the stock markets. Along with, like, science and math, you know, crunching math and data and stuff like that that AI would be good for, I think wouldn't impede too harshly on humans and their jobs. The other, like, blurred line here is coding. Like...
Is coding an art form or is it just a means to an end? Is it an architecture that needs doing in order to get an output or is there a creative element to coding? Or are coders happy with AI taking over? That's an interesting question. Yeah, I guess like... Yeah, it depends if you find like...
Typing and stuff and creating yourself is part of the journey, right? To get to the end result. But then I guess you could say each brush stroke on a painting is also part of the journey. But some people who aren't maybe that artistic find that a slog and therefore find a quick way to do it by just typing in what they want at the end result and then they get it.
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I don't know, there's something nice about working to get to that point. - Yeah, well, I think let's say, look at it like this, right? So with the coding example specifically, you have, you always need a coder to understand
what something is doing and broadly how it's doing it, right? Even if you built a large team of coders, you would have a senior coder that has the most experience and knowledge. And then you grasp on the overall idea of younger coders will be doing other subsects of the work, right? And then, but you'd still probably want the more experienced coder to check their work. And that's kind of, I think how it should work is AI tools should have
people who know what they're doing to do it quicker. It should suggest things or like, you know, almost be a teacher sometimes. 'Cause there's gonna be elements you don't know and you'll go, "Hey, what about doing this?" And you as the informed individual go, "Yes, let's do that." I think that's the reasonable way to do this. - That's currently where it's at. Like you kind of need to do that. You need to be the overarching. There's this thing that people fucking hate. There's a term going around right now in the coding community called vibe coding.
What the fuck is that?
It started off as like a troll, but it's kind of taken hold by people that don't know how to code, but instead are just prompting the code AI just to do stuff. It's like, make this red, make this blue, do this. It's called vibe coding. And that's currently being a senior that doesn't understand like the nitty gritty of the juniors that have got the skill set to make the coding. Instead, you're at the top level knowing what the project needs to be.
steering this AI that hallucinates like fucking crazy is very affirmative. It's like, you're absolutely right. I'll change the entire code base. No, I just typoed. I just typoed my prompt and stuff like that. So it's like steering a super genius idiot for certain qualities. And that's where it's at. Like coding isn't good enough. You can just let it run off on its own. Like develop this app and I want it to be like this. It won't do it straight up because it's not good enough to do that. You have to constantly like
put up the bowling ball barriers either side and hope the ball bounces into the skills properly. But you have to have a fundamental knowledge of how it all works really at the moment. But I don't see it lasting that long. I see AI just getting better to the point where you don't need AI
to understand what it's doing. It won't be able to, if we want it to get to a certain point. Yeah. I think that's another part of this is like, we need to work out how to build on something that is that smart. Like we, we cannot just like all of us do most of our jobs, not really understanding how any of these fucking computers work, you know, like none of us really know how to make the chips that go inside them. It's another example of that. It's scary and probably more scary with AI because of its sort of ability to step outside the box in some respects. Um,
and really interact with other sort of humans um but yeah i think i think i think you're right i think i mean especially if you listen to anyone in the know that isn't us like there was somebody the other day was saying about how they feel there's probably only about three years left of of needing coders like it's interesting because yeah yeah that kind of um who did i speak to on one of our lap weekend things who was saying they teach children who don't really know how to get
to the background of apps and stuff or like they don't know how to get to the settings system settings and kind of like how to kind of like change a DNS code or something if they needed to or like check their IP like they've just they've been used to just pressing a button and an app opens
And so it's almost like there's a middle ground between boomers who don't know how to use a computer and then now you're getting to whatever gen children are at who don't know how to use computers either in the same way. And so we're in the middle where it's like we kind of grew up with them. So we had to do certain things to try and get a result we needed.
and children just are now kind of learning to just press a button on a screen and everything shows you everything and i guess eventually ar will just do everything you say it tell it to do it's so consumer optimized isn't it like they they hide all that stuff now because it's a better user experience to like tidy it up get rid of all those settings hide them all automate it in the background mainline the ad keep the attention yeah yeah keep them on the app
without having to change settings and stuff like that. Whereas we've almost got a unique skill set in how to problem solve. We're the greatest generation. We're the best generation, for sure. I think we had a problem solved just to get... Because obviously there was no... I guess there wasn't really anyone teaching us from above because they didn't understand how to get into the fucking internet settings, for one. We're the wasteland warriors of the World Wide Web, aren't we? Yeah.
That's a lot of Ws. But I guess it will get to a stage where it's so simple that you then just speak to an AI and ask what you want it to do and it'll do it for you. And then that's kind of a good thing. So if anything, kids will be better at prompting than we will because they're like, oh, no, the most efficient way is to do this, this, and this. It's like, oh, okay, cool. So I imagine it will probably develop that way rather than the technicality of getting behind it. I don't know. But that is a skill. Yeah, yeah. It's not necessarily a good skill. However, you can be bad at using AI and you can be good at using AI. Yeah.
It's just leadership. It's project direction. It's understanding the grammar. Understanding how large language models work fundamentally. They're not a human. If you can figure out how to nudge it in the right direction. But they'll learn to get better. The main thing is... It won't need that, yeah. You need to give clear instructions as to what you want from that all-powerful thing. And yes, that is prompts to an extent. But also, in general, trying to go like, what will you use that tool for? It's like having an army.
isn't it? It's like having something at your beck and call, a team of servants, a team of workers, a team of colleagues, whatever you want to call it, that you go, if you know enough of how to apply a team to a problem...
you will have great success. That's ultimately... So the team empowers the user as long as the user knows how to use the team. And that's kind of the same with this, I think. I would say there's nothing better than that feeling of if you've gone into like a script file into like 20 different folders just to change one thing and it's actually worked out for the file. It's like, oh shit, actually...
it all worked. Everything's working. So like, it's a really nice kind of like fun problem solving where you like, you're talking about cracking software. Yeah. And then when you're like, finally fucking hard to go into like 40 different folders, do this, this and this, change the sixth line to this and then add that. And it's like, God, shit, I got it. I'm a hacker. I didn't have to spend 1500 pounds on this thing. Yay. Woo.
But you probably say it by the same term as something like a Minecraft modder where you added this thing and you made this other thing work. That's where a lot of coders start out modding other games. It's an exciting feeling getting that right. Yeah, for sure.
And there's another kind of gratification where it's like, I just want the thing and I don't want to learn the prerequisite skills to make the thing. Yeah. I'll get someone else to do that thing for me. Before, you'd hire someone, a specialist to do that. Now, you're cutting out that person and their job, getting AI to do it. So, now I can see where the disgruntlement's coming from. Yeah. But there's value to those jobs. It's like, you know, doing DIY or whatever at your home. Like, you know...
do you want to spend money and hire an electrician or do you want to google it and take a risk which i did and it worked out and i was like really happy that i managed to rewire my um yeah and i managed to turn the electric off effectively i didn't electrocute myself electricians as far as you know sorry this could be a post-death illusion it could be it's working out for me yeah well yeah that's true actually yeah it's like yeah
It's alright, is it? This is actually what the afterlife is. You just continue. You just have a kind of crazy politics. Weird. Okay. Well, limbo's a bit strange. Who's the king of hell? Am I in hell? But yeah, I think that's the other thing. It's just tutorials.
YouTube has got a perfect repertoire of anything, really. Because people love to teach their little niche. YouTube is a greater resource than any library has ever been. Think about how we think about in history where we mourn the loss of huge repositories of knowledge, which of course is fucking terrible because you can't ever get it back. But with something like YouTube, it is impressive. It's quite an amazing thing. It's got to be one of the most important repositories of knowledge ever.
you know, in the world. YouTube's videos. Pretty much anything, down to the very detail of the specific product you've got and the issue you have. Normally you can find it. I don't think AI can actually train off of YouTube yet. It can train off of the transcripts. Like, it's all word-based, right? But, like, understanding the context of a video I don't think is there yet, so it hasn't really properly learned. Like, watching someone, like, put a certain thing, like a wire in a certain place...
unless they're describing it in words and then that's subtitled i don't think the ai is picking up on that information yet so we've still got that one up that's what i'm saying we still haven't got the bloody so you know hololens you know they shelved hololens yeah they did already already i say already already it's been a decade i said but like i'm surprised they it went that long if that's i know the outcome so like what
Well, because what made me think of that was... Like, use case for it? Well, one of the things that they said about it, which I thought was really cool, and one of the nice things about AR in general, is you can do instructional videos and do the thing at the same time. Oh, yeah. So they were showing, like, pictures of people fixing stuff around the house. So, you know, under the sink, like, okay, this is the U-Band. This is how you undo it here. And basically, it would film what you're looking at and overlay information whilst it's still looking... You know, it's just a really... It's like having...
a person showing you what to do but they're in your head and I think that's really cool and not getting in the way and not getting in the way of it exactly and they can be tiny and they can put a little arrow and everything yeah but I remember when we went to Reading when the guys changed the Minecraft offices or whatever and they had a HoloLens office there that must have been what eight years ago yeah it was a long time ago and that's obviously I guess yeah it takes a long time to test it but
They had all the sets and like all the most modern looking sets back then and we were like, oh shit, there's HoloLens and like they must be coming out soon. And then they shelved it like a few months ago, I think. So it's just like... Make sure you wonder what's going to happen with the Apple... What are they called? Goggles? Apple Vision Pro. Vision.
Apple goggles. I think that's been shelved. Meta are pretty much done it. They're still selling them? Meta are the only ones. I don't think they sell huge numbers, but I do think Meta are probably not making a loss. I think they're diverting all their money into AI now because that's a big, easy cash cow that they can just train GPUs on. But I still think there's value into having a heads-up display. I mean, they're on the right path. It's just still so shit. I mean, especially with the whole...
tethering a battery pack to as well. It's just like, okay, well that's... Yeah, we need a battery breakthrough. I mean, it's got to come in steps, right? All of this stuff is going to look shit until it looks good. Well, I think the car EV industry is probably going to push battery technology because they got, I think, is it BMW or Audi or something that's bringing in the solid state battery in like a few years or so. Interesting. And that will charge at a crazy rate, like really quickly. With huge capacity. And huge capacity. It's like the two things.
But slight caveat, they do go off like a nuke. They are explosive. They absolutely go off. What do you want, though? Yeah. What do you want? There's a cost for everything. Do you want it quick? Well, have it explosive then. Sorry. Sorry, in China, they've got the battery replacement system, which is pretty cool, of cars. On cars? Yeah. They did trial that on something. I don't know, some Chinese brand. I can't... It'll be city-reliant. Oh, so yeah, it took like five minutes, but yeah. It's like...
pulls it down and then just replaces the entire battery. That was the original idea, I think. So it would be quicker to be just like hop in, hop out. They showed that technology off on stage and said, yeah, this is going to happen in like two or three years. Elon Musk with his fake claims. It never did. But yeah, like with that, you can check the battery out and then imagine that battery becomes obsolete and
And they make solid state batteries. Oh, you can just put that in the same fucking car. Instead of remaking the whole goddamn car. But obviously, yeah, again... It's not gone that way, has it? Yeah, we'll see. I mean, yeah, future Tesla's certainly... Who knows? Who knows what's going on with it? On one side, it's kind of a good thing they're advertising them in terms of the ecological side of things. But then the other side is, fuck, that guy is at the helm. Who fucking knows whether to trust him with anything? So it's all, you know...
Why are there so many lunatics at the top? We predicted this very well, though. Personally, we've... I think he's on track to doing the whole, like... Yeah, yeah, the space thing. Elon Musk thing, yeah. Yeah, I think so, yeah. When did we turn into Crocoman? Are we basically Shakespeare split into three people? Yeah, well, I mean, we keep predicting people's deaths somehow. What was it, Nostradamus? We just mention people and they die for some reason. Yeah.
Not Dench's though, she's... Fucking hanging in there, bless her. Again, I need to clarify, I don't want her to. It's just we have mentioned her a lot and she's on the edge. When you get visions and dreams about her, you have to speak your wisdom. We have to speak... Okay, when it happens in our... I had a wet dream about Dench again. I think she's dead. She got me to the edge. She's dead. Fucking hell.
But yeah, what was I going to say? She's dead. They're going to look back at us three and be like, I can't believe the people of this time didn't know how.
They had these three William Shakespeare's servants of their time and they were just taking the piss out of them this whole time. They're just making stupid videos. But really, they were warning everybody with their entire Elon Musk storyline. They planned it all out for thousands of years ahead of time. Imagine. And they were just laughed at. And people just thought it was a stupid thing for charity. Speaking of getting laughed at.
Do you want to finish on some aliens? Yeah, let's get a bit of alien talk to finish this off. If you're looking just hats, I put a video that was recently recorded of a... Oh my God. Of a very commonly seen curved boomerang shaped... This is it. This is the final... Proof of aliens. We've finally got it. High definition, right? No. Really?
really good death no it's at night it's really high it's at night on a mobile phone right of course that's a shame which we almost we're almost there guys mobile technology is still pretty here we go shit when it comes to nighttime shooting explain to us what we're seeing here okay so there's been a lot of these crescent shaped object ufos been reported around the world um and they often exhibit this
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cloaking behavior as well so like kind of like they're going behind a cloud kind of looking thing well so it looks like it looks like uh yeah it looks shaped like like you say it's a kind of a boomerang shape
To it almost like a glider without lights. What's that? You know, this is it street fire or something like that where someone does like a move and it does like a crescent shape energy blast at the other person. Yeah. Yeah. Someone's just done that in the sky. Yeah.
It's very hard to gauge the size of what this could be because it could also just be a really bird of prey or something. Yeah, yeah, they could be. It's hard to say, but there's been multiple sightings. It looks like a gust of particles. Like someone's done a spell, a magic spell. Yeah, like a magic spell from the sky. And then it's just flown across the sky. It could also be like a lens-like kind of thing. Here you go. There's two more posts from different other people that have seen something similar. Yeah.
Basically... This one freaks this guy out. Yeah, they will. Oh, spooky. That's freaky. But yeah, I don't know what... I think, obviously, there's a lot of crazy shit going on in the world right now. And a lot of reconnaissance and observing stuff needs to be done. There you go. If there's a chance we're going to get to see the absolute latest technology...
that we've made which this could be you know this could be some sort of reconnaissance vehicle quite a consistent shot this one there's a green screen shot yeah I'm looking at it that's on the stream they're filming this on their iPhone because you can see the home swipe up thing yeah why is it always at night
Maybe that's just how they like to travel, isn't it? But you're right. I mean, we are also in a bit of a global geopolitical turmoil that could mean that people are testing all sorts of technology that we have no idea what's going on. So it's hard to just say that aliens, but it could also be just scary technology. What I like about these ones... No, no, no.
absolutely not. What I like about these kind of videos is it's more interesting than the ones, you know, there's been like all the mystery drones over the US. Yeah, all the Tic Tacs or whatever, yeah. Not the Tic Tacs, Tic Tacs are separate. Well, Tic Tacs, they're real. But, no, these drones that people have seen over the US a lot, you know, over like Jersey and places like that, there's been loads of them. Those to me seem like
commercial or military drones that are being tested or searching for something. Like that is slightly different. They just have lights on them. Like these things don't have lights on them. This is what I would imagine more likely for people to see or not see is very subtle things that are like, oh fuck, what is that? You know, because if you were...
A species that's capable of visiting other planets with intelligent life you might want to not like show yourself, you know, and we can, we understand even now we are starting to develop techniques that can bend light, that can do things, manipulate the ability of visibility of something. It's not, I don't think a huge stretch to think that it,
If other people or something were coming to our planet, they may use something like this. And that's just basically my little imagination going. And yeah, this one kind of these kind of things kind of found interesting. What you're saying is we're at a point now where the evidence is mounting up, but there's people out there that don't have professional equipment that's taking it seriously and going out there and really capturing it with good grade thermal optics.
They're just capturing their back gardens or whatever. What you need is a team, a crack team. Yeah, not crack. That's being a crack pot team. An elite team. An elite team. Of scientists. That are being funded by their community to make...
high definition stuff and you can actually do that and that is us you can make that happen guys it's a green light thing it's turning into a plug don't worry everyone because we're on it we're going to make UFO camp out happen we're getting very close to having a green light we're going out we're going to be camping together within 10 miles of a nuclear site safely
Don't worry anyone in the UK nuclear security services. We are not going anywhere near any nuclear assets. We are going to be 10 miles away camping in a campsite, but near enough to see the sky over the top of the nuclear area, which is where it's more likely. It's a bit like how ghosts are more likely to be in old churches. UFOs are more likely to be near...
radiation things apparently like you know so nuclear reactors nuclear launch sites those kind of things are where you typically hear the most uh stuff so we're going to be able to see we're 90 funded oh wow and all you have to do to help fund this project is go to greenlight.hatfilms.co.uk if you're a patreon supporter if you're a twitch supporter if you're a youtube member you already have green light access and every month you get a new vote
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There's been a few. I mean, I've felt like that with every Black Mirror series. I'm like, there's some hits and there's some misses. Yeah, that's the thing with that kind of anthology style. But yeah, that was quite cool. The trailer went out yesterday. Nice. I haven't watched it. I don't like watching trailers for things like that. It's a bit ambiguous what it shows in the trailer, to be fair, which is fine.
I just don't want to know. I love going into those completely like you press play and you're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, I did that with Megalopolis and I now would like to see some reviews. Don't do it for that one. That fucked, it was so bad.
I should have I've spent money on that now and I'm never going to get that time back that yeah Megalopolis bullshit I watched a real pain last night have you seen that yeah it's good I really enjoyed that I watched some hat films last night too oh nice yeah real pain what did you watch did you watch our pancake special maybe you watched Repo what did you watch Trot
I watched Repo which is a fantastic series right now by Hat Films and it includes some of our wonderful guests Sips and Ravs we actually did some it's a really funny game with Ravs so there's lots more to come I mean that's yeah to be fair since we did a hat chat that came out and it's kind of
been all over YouTube since then. It really suits us. A lot of people say it suits us very well. And Tom, yes, we had Tom as a guest. Yeah, it's very silly. It just looks funny. Visually, it's amazing in terms of the mouth movements on these little robots. It's great. I usually am very bored of these games very quickly and I'm not
with this one though. It's mixed up enough that there's enough going on that like it feels like a bit roguelike. Yeah, and stuff works well enough most of the time which I think is what's important. Like some of these games we played are so janky. The issue we had yesterday was just where like once everyone's dead and one person's left do you keep going or do you like
Is there enough money? I'd like them to add something for the ghosts to do. At least ping things for you. Or even like a vote system to be like, look, should we just bail? We should leave. Like a vote system would be quite good actually because it's like, yeah, let's just bail and then maybe an alarm goes off and then you just self-destruct or something. That'd be quite good. But yeah. Yeah, it makes Lethal Company look...
pretty dry yeah and otherwise it kickstarted the genre you can't fault it for did it? well I mean extraction shooters in general
I mean, I guess... But these are like find items, that kind of thing, aren't they? These aren't quite like extraction shooters. They're random gen going in, collecting a thing and avoiding monsters, learning their behaviours, accruing money, roguelite style. That's not a very short phrase, though, what you just said. Yeah, that'd be an acronym though, isn't it? Yeah.
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May as well mention it now. Oh, we're working on a whole separate project entirely called Many is Fate. And I'm going to let Alex Smith give us the top line as to what that is. It is LARP. Live action role playing where you turn up and you dress up in character. You create a character online. You basically play D&D in person. There's lots of fun things to do. Um,
But you embody that character. You become that character. Yeah, you're going to spend the whole weekend playing a character. And it's a brand new one. And you get to start right at the start. There's a few other big ones in the country, which are really great too. This is our version. We're working with three other senior directors who are much more versed in running LARPs than we are. And then we've got a massive team of very, very talented people who are helping us bring that to fruition. That is going to be in like... Like 200 people, by the way.
Yeah, it's insane. There's a lot of people working on this project. We are going to be running our first event from... You can turn up on the 3rd of April and it runs through to the 6th of April on Sunday. We highly recommend you check out our website because you need to come pre-prepared for
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