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Oh, welcome one and all to the Hat Chat podcast with your trio of hosts. I'm Christopher Hodson Trott. That's my name now. Hello, Christopher Hodson Trott. I'm Ross Hornby. Not Hodson Hornby. I don't add things to my names. I've already got two syllables already. I think that's enough. I've got Christopher. Christopher.

Yeah, you just... No one calls you Christopher. Why not? Because we've always called you Trot. Anyway, he's this guy. And now you're adding more names. My name's Alan J. Hoover Scott... Superstank. Hooverstank. No, Alex Smith. Throwback.

Although that really doesn't narrow it down, giving somebody my name. Alan. Alex Smith. You look Alex Smith. That's easy. Stop your border control. Yeah, whoa. You have a plain name. I just swam over here. And no. They'd frisk you, wouldn't they? Probably. Especially in certain countries now. Certain countries? Well, they don't like the looks of Alex Smith. Alex Smith. They'd be like, oh, who's this guy? Alias.

yeah just like John Smith over there what are you clubbing for I hate that my name's John John Smith don't name any children you have John because they're just going to have a terrible time what about William is that the Pocahontas guy yeah it is I think it is John Smith is the Pocahontas guy yeah bad guy Will Smith Will Smith you can call him Will what if I have a child and call it Jada Pinkett

I think everyone you know could judge you. J.D. Pinkett Smith, come over here. You're really weird. J.D. Pinkett Smith. We were just talking about caffeine content prior to this. I've got stats. Okay, cool. An average coffee cup is around eight ounces in America, of course. Fucking hell. 80 to 100 milligrams of caffeine per day.

right in a regular coffee yeah and a tea which is about 100 grams yeah 11 so it's like it's significantly less it's not bad it's a 10 you have five a day right yeah probably makes about one coffee yeah and then i have one coffee a day so you're having two coffees a day basically of caffeine okay well not even that really i suppose not even that really so i wouldn't worry about it don't lose any sleep you could have although you might because you might caffeine yeah i could have more coffee i think

I would like to use coffee more often, but I have to stop myself because it gives me such bad indigestion. It gives you indigestion? Yeah, like it makes my stomach all inflamed and like makes me sad inside. What doesn't about the modern diet, you know? Yeah. I feel like everything we eat is like, it's actually not that good for human consumption. Pretty much. All this shit they add in, all these preservatives and whatnot.

I mean, coffee is fairly pure in that sense. Like, you know, okay, if you're putting loads of dairy milk, if you're putting fucking syrups in it, but like... Cocktail of syrups. Yeah, but if you're just drinking like coffee with a bit of your milk choice, it's not that dirty when it comes to the modern world. But like, I think it's just the caffeine itself irritates the living shit out of your insides. Like it does. It makes you... I like to role play an alchemist when I do my coffees. Yeah, cool. And I go to TK Maxx and buy all those sugar-free ones they have at the checkout. Yeah.

Have you seen this? No. They've all got these brands. TK Maxx. And for some reason, they sell tons and tons of different flavors, all different random brands, probably AI generated. Flavors of what? Flavors of sugar-free syrups that go into your drinks. And TK Maxx is the place that sells clothes. Yeah, they also sell shelf-stable foods and syrups. They do like...

They do like household bits and bobs. Yeah, I know they do house them. So that's where they are. But anyway, I have all those behind me and I'm doing like alchemical concoctions of all these different sugar-free aspartame. It's nuts. Aspartame. I found out that Huel has sweeteners in it that are considered quite bad for you. Really? What's considered quite bad for you? So there's a sweetener in it. Let me check. I think it's literally sucralose. It's

Basic. So there's a really good app. This is not a plug. This is something I've been using. Basically, I had gastritis a couple of months ago, which is just inflammation of the stomach. It's sometimes caused by bacteria. It's sometimes caused by bad eating. We got the heel brand deal we need. I haven't got the heel brand deal yet. That's been gone. Yogscast. Oh, yeah. Remember that? That was early. Back in the old office when we used to get shit loads of it for free. Anyway, um...

I had to change my diet quite a lot and Huel's one of the things I actually put into my diet because I was trying to find things that were like filling and healthy and stuff like that. Anyway, yeah, no, so it contains one very, and I use an app called Yuka, Y-U-K-A. And I make that sound a lot as well. But basically you can scan any barcode. It's a bit like MyFitnessPal. Scan pretty much any barcode and

and it gives you a breakdown of the nutritional positives and negatives of the food, like basically protein, fiber, energy, saturate, sugar, salt. And then it looks at the additives and tells you which ones are low risk additives and which ones are high risk additives. So the ready to drink banana flavored Huel out of a bottle

Has sucralose in it, which is a sweetener which could be associated with the development of cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, chronic inflammation in the digestive tract, which is exactly what I was trying to avoid. Additionally, high consumption of sweeteners could be associated with an increased risk of cancer. Finally, sweeteners are believed to have no positive effect on weight loss.

So like... Well, they're not weight, yeah. No. They do psychologically, but as a replacement for... Yeah, exactly. I don't think many people think they are. Would you say that all the other goodness in there is worth that though? Well, possibly. Yeah, exactly. If it's not irritating you. Yeah, I think that's it. You got to weigh it up. And you are also getting... You know, it's also...

this app considers everything else about the drink to be very, very good. It has good amounts of dietary fiber. It has a very low saturated fat, very low salt, um, those kinds of things. Um, so yeah, there is also that for sure, but, um, how much caffeine is in a, in a monster? Uh,

Oh, fucking hell. Monster's terrible. So apparently a daily average intake should be around 400 maximum. As in? Milligrams of caffeine. I'll save it to Ross. You can have a breakdown of like, that's how it looks. Oh shit, okay, there's a monster energy drink here. There's a really good YouTube short that I get shared a lot. Zero out of a hundred. Which is a guy breaking down the powders. Like if he broke down the powdered elements of monster and put it into a drink. There's a video of it and he shows all the different things. Just looks like a chemistry set. Exactly. Some of the stuff they put in it

has some sense to it you know like some of these energy drinks do contain compounds that are shown to improve um athletic performance where do they get the juice of the monster though well this is the thing which monster is it i think it's gelatinous goo this just kind of tells you how much sugar's in it which is 54 grams which is a lot but then saying that isn't a can of coke also like 36 grams of caffeine yeah

is that all milligrams milligrams that's less per 100 mil one serving is 86.4 there you go yeah right so it is a coffee basically it's basically and that's probably about 250 mil 240 grams

Which is, yeah, what, 500 mil? It's about 160 milligrams. Of caffeine. So it's like two coffees. So the whole can is 160. Yeah. That's a big hit, isn't it? I love it when they do the servings thing. It's a big old hit. It's like when you get a serving suggestion for like... Yeah, a serving of like sweets, there's like three. Oh, how many mini eggs can you have in one serving? I'll put those on a little plate. Three or four. This is my daily serving. That's a lot of servings.

They know what they're doing. You bastards. These fucking food industry bastards. So, Ross, should we have a look at what's in Pepsi Max Zero? Yeah, have a look at what's in that. Is it sucralose? So, unfortunately, there are four high-risk additives, one moderate risk, one limited risk, and two risk-free. So, it contains sulfite, ammonia, caramel.

Possibly carcinogenic. Is that to make the flavoring? Yes, and the color. It's possibly carcinogenic, and it can create allergic reactions in some individuals. You know what I mean. Phosphoric acid. This additive causes phosphorus, a mineral whose current intake exceeds recommendations. That's good for producing light, isn't it? Phosphorus. Yeah, well, this is phosphoric acid, but yeah, if you can get phosphorus out of it.

Excess could disrupt bone minimalization, have a harmful effect on the kidneys, and increase risk of cardiovascular diseases. It's got Asulfame K, like, increases your chances of cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, chronically inflammatory disorders. Yeah, so there's a lot of garbage in these things. How much caffeine is in that bad boy? Doesn't tell you, does it? That one doesn't seem to measure caffeine. Doesn't really care about caffeine, no. 69. Milligrams. Oh. Yeah.

So it's 9 milligrams per can, or is it? Or like 330 mil? 12 ounces. Is that 330 mil? That's a surprisingly high amount. That sounds like a 500 mil. That is a 12 ounce serving. Fuck ounces, man. Fucking... This is what Google is now. Google is AI search results. Golf of America. Ounces for drinks. Nonsense. This is all nonsense. 500 mil. 500 mil has what? 30. That's a bottle. That's that bottle. Okay. Yeah.

We know what a 500ml is. 69g. You don't need to mime opening a fucking bottle. That's quite high caffeine, really. 69mg of caffeine, right? So it's a weak coffee, basically. It's a weak coffee. Yeah, but it's surprising how much it is, isn't it? It's pretty close to a coffee, basically. Yeah, yeah.

Cool. What about... That's caffeine. Good to know. And we drink differing amounts of it. Zero caffeine free. Like, what's left? Does caffeine not turn your guts to shit as well? I imagine it does. It's a good... Landslide. Yeah, yeah. I have a good morning shit. But I have that anyway.

Even though I'm drinking a can. I feel my stomach bubbling after a coffee. Oh, Jesus. Do you not feel that? That does sound weird. Before you eat, you have your coffee. Yeah, yeah. It's on the memory stomach. Good Lord. It's the first thing I do when I wake up. Hey, what if you had fucking acid reflux issues? I mean, I know you have a medical reason for it as well, but fucking hell. A bubbling sensation never sounds good.

If I had a coffee on an empty stomach in the morning, I'd want to vomit. That's how much that would make my stomach go like, what the fuck is this? Pussy you are. I really am. I mean, I am a delicate flower when it comes to digestion. That is for damn sure. Coffee's not the first thing I have, yeah. I have a tea.

It's like a gentle... I heard a comedian describe it as waking up with a tea is like being gently aroused, getting ready for the day. Waking up with a coffee is like having a prison guard wake you up. You know? Sometimes that's what you need though. Okay, time to wake up. Yeah, sometimes. But every morning, first thing you have is a coffee. It's like somebody goes, get up! Time to go! It's just like...

I normally pair it up with an hour long walk. That's pretty good. I pair it up with a little nap afterwards. Oh my God. I get tired after it. Sometimes caffeine will knock me out. Then you go the other way. You're going to be like a caffeine crash, is it? Yeah. I don't even have the high bit. I just had a nice like Horlicks. Basically, I'm ready for a nice nap after my eight hour sleep.

And you go back to sleep. Honestly, you go back to sleep after it. No, I don't. Because I have it sometimes in the evening when I'll have a coffee and I want to fall asleep after it, which is a strange one. It does seem odd. It's called caffeine addiction. You get close to 10pm, you're in a restaurant, do you want a coffee? And I was like, fucking hell.

Better than an hour and a half. Yeah. Also, I'm so full with all the meal I've just eaten at that point. On top of the tiramisu. Pour the coffee on top. Oh, tiramisu. I love that. Because I always have bread, always have a starter, always have a main.

And then dessert comes around. And so like dessert comes around and coffee's come around at the end. And I'm like, I can't do it. I physically can't fit it in me. But I have no regrets because like bread start in a main is for me the best part. What are you talking about? Every day. Ross said like if you go out for dinner and it's like 10 p.m. This is a restaurant eating. 10 p.m. And they ask like, do you want coffee? He's like, well, for a lot of some people like 10 p.m. coffee is like.

No. Well, you'd be refused in Italy for sure. Yeah. You'd be refused in Italy. So I've been to Italy. Yeah. Like I've... I haven't been to France, but I have been to Italy. Yeah, you haven't been to France. But they are very draconian about their coffee. You can't have it in the evening. No, they literally scoff at you. It's like...

why are you having coffee? That is like a morning slash afternoon drink. I do not have it in the evening. And they straight up refused me. I was like, no, I'm fine. It doesn't bother me. And they're like, what else do you want? Wow. Okay, fine. It's like I insulted them. What else could they give you? Like a soft drink?

Or like... They just say, oh, just have this shot instead. Or are they implying you need to have a beer? Yeah. Like... No, they just got me water in the end. So they lost out on a cell. I can't imagine it's every restaurant. Maybe you just gave off a vibe. Maybe that guy had made the last coffee he'd had. We just shut down the machine, man. Sorry. We cleaned it all up and polished it away. No one has coffee at this time. I swore I'd never barista again.

Barista. That is what a barista does, right? Barista. I guess they do. To baristing. To baristing. To baristing.

to barista professionally baristication is what you do whilst at the machine yeah I'm baristicating I did yeah there was regulations around having you can have an espresso with a dinner right but beyond that you can't have milk it's insane like you couldn't have a latte yeah latte that's yeah well you agree follow up with a latte and this is why you say you're pouring the latte over someone the service though no I wouldn't refuse it's like their choice they're paying for it it must be why the Italians have the most 20 to 30 year olds leaving their country if any in Europe

Because there are a bunch of pretentious bastards who are telling us good English people who come to their country to give them our money. Shit me. I think it would be a different story if it was like, yeah, it's not that bad, is it? It's like just having a coffee. What's so bad about it? If you were just like, oh yeah, well, you were obviously driving and you were like, oh, I'll have another couple of beers. What?

well no we won't do that because we saw you drive in it mate yeah but you don't microwave tea that's where you can probably make a judgement call a tea or a coffee like who gives a shit they're standing on ceremony which I have to respect actually to be honest with you even though they're making fellow English people's lives a misery over there maybe they aren't charging the silly prices they're charging over here because I don't think anyone would refuse it here

No. Well, we have Costa, the Spanish coffee. Of course. Maybe they're not, you know, victims of capitalism like we are. Exactly. It's like, you don't have to make every sale. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes you have to stand up for the respect of the individuals. Yeah. That's not good for you. Yeah. You should stop drinking caffeine in the evenings. So I should really be thanking them. Yeah, you should.

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You should have shaken their hand. Rather than going on a xenophobic tirade like you did. Well, my route is but one of many choices one could make. One of the two. There is many different methodologies one could employ when faced with an uppity Italian. One gets the work done though, doesn't it? One gets the point across a lot firmer than the other. Yeah, one walks away with a glass of water. And one gets several coffees.

Don't make me step over this fucking counter and reclaim that coffee machine from you. No wonder the rest of the world ended up doing coffee. Waiting on you pricks. You can't organize anything. Anyway, I have my issues with the Italian rail system. I will say that. Okay. What's wrong with the rail system? I've traveled around Italy a little bit on the Italian rail system. Okay. And whilst it's very cheap, it has no notion of haste.

the actual need for transport I found. People are just really not bothered about you making a train. Like everybody at every train station who worked there were like,

oh you uh you you want to find this train i'm like yeah which train is it they're like it might be on that one it might be on that one and i'm i got three minutes to get on this train man i need to it's like a four hour trip which one is it and then oh my god and then you get all the people being all friendly to other people having chats at the ticket booth and they're like oh where are you going and i'm there like fucking hell i need to go um do you reckon that's more on you

I tried to give as much time as possible. Turning up with three minutes to go. Hey, I'm saying connecting trains. That's not on me. All right. I'm just making those bad boys connect. I'm running to their schedule. That's fair. Which was loose. If you're getting off and you're like, I need to get the next one. Otherwise, it's going to be three hours. Yeah. Anyway, I missed that train. So that's kind of staying with me. So now you can just hang around and chat like the other ones. I could. Yeah. So I tried to relax. And I was like, well. Hard to, isn't it? When you miss the train. Hard to. Let's see what everyone's chatting about. Couldn't speak the language. That was a problem.

Right. Yeah. That's a big one. Because none of them spoke English. They're not speaking the Queen's. What's the point in colonising all these different places for not being able to speak our language? This is a new spin on Hatchet I want to take because it's very popular right now. Guys that look a lot like us speaking in mics look a lot like these ones speaking about issues like that. We should be holding them more.

We should, yeah. Let's get him off these mounts and really manhandle these fuckers. Take control. Seize control. Just say outlandish, wide-sweeping statements. Hey, Ross, you hitting anyone with your car this week because they wouldn't get out the way? No, I haven't. No, I have actually. The traffic situation has been actually appalling this week. Several cars almost hit me. And who's to blame? You saw some activism recently. A fucking massive... I did see activism where a guy...

This is outside the... Obviously, Tesla's going through the shitter. And we are trying to avoid talking about America, but this is broader. We are trying to, I suppose. It's just because it's all very depressing. And unfortunately, if you're an American and you believe in that stuff, I hope good luck to you. LAUGHTER

But it's spreading to other countries in the sense that, you know, Tesla's been boycotted all over the place. And I was parked up looking at, I think, I feel like I did talk about this in a head chat. So you go out again. Basically, a guy grabbed each charger, placed it on the floor and hammered them until they all smashed and loads of liquid started spraying out. Just insane. I didn't know liquid came out with them. I'm guessing it was like a cooling system. Yeah. He was wearing gloves and worried about his PPE. No, he was just fucking hammering it on the ground. Like kind of, he didn't really look. Not a mask, not a filter. No, he didn't. Well, no, he obviously wasn't even,

bothered about concealing his face which I guess shows you how furious he was at the situation. Do you reckon he saw it and couldn't not do it in that moment or did he plan it? I feel like he would have to go and get a hammer. Unless he was at work but he didn't look... You had a lead pole in the back of your old BMW so he could have just had a hammer lying around. That was for plumbing. It was already there when I bought it.

And then you kept it in there just in case I just kept doing that in case I need to fit a pipe and I had a duck in an old church It did have a duct tape handle For helping you fit the pipe onto a church roof I haven't I haven't I haven't It was used specifically for nothing other than just sitting in the back of someone else's car Well no one can prove you had it anymore so I guess it isn't a crime but taking something that could be used as a weapon for the soul using it as a weapon in a vehicle is actually considered could be a What about a spare tyre?

You can try and fight somebody using a spare tire. Imagine, fair play if you want to pick up the tire. Most tires are really heavy. But anyway, this guy smashed all the Tesla chargers. Yeah, he smashed them all up.

I was more surprised at the people who were still parked up and charging, just watching it. And as he was getting closer and closer to their car. I imagine it's just such an otherworldly thing to witness. Well, it's just like, yeah, he's not really attacking anyone individually. He's just raging out at technology in a sense. And obviously, what had to be a protest against Tesla, I mean...

I told friends about it. They were like, what if he just really didn't like electric cars? I was like, well, he didn't go to the Chargers I was plugged in it. Yeah. And those were right opposite. He could have just had a go at those. Yeah.

I don't know why you would ever rage at specifically electric energy. I want to know why. Well, it's because of Elon Musk, I presume. I suppose, but it's because obviously the Tesla, obviously Teslas are being defaced all over the place. Their insurance costs are going up massively in America because people are burning those cars down like it's nothing. Really? They're popping them off like piñatas? Yeah. And then obviously now they're saying that it's... See, that sounds like... That sounds like...

How often is it happening? Because like... It's quite sensational. Last week it happened a lot. Didn't they burn down like three or four cars in Vegas, was it? Like it's funny as a concept. I feel like we should say like...

remember i i remember when there was protests going on in various places especially in the u.s a few quite a few years ago now and i remember somebody going oh but the bloody these ones are like they're shooting people in the streets they're doing all this sort of stuff now they weren't actually doing that i did say i was gonna make some blanket statements so but i mean it's funny but in this case it's in comedy we're not trying to inform is all i'm saying because in some places people do that and they exaggerate even like um and people are literally just getting rid of their teslas just because they're worried about what that how that

it makes them look... Yeah, and I mean, it must be happening fairly frequently. I would say that if you have got a Tesla and you've, you know, you bought it before all this stuff, it's like you aren't... I don't think it's fair to say that you're a Nazi or that you're like, you believe in this kind of... And it's also really hard to get rid of a vehicle sometimes. Exactly, and ultimately, yeah, it's expensive. If you bought something and you've spent all that money on it, it's like...

Yeah, but I mean, it's unfortunate that you're getting caught in the crosshairs. Yeah. Especially since early on, people tried to do it to have emission-free vehicles because they didn't want to pollute as much. This is the kind of like... They were told. This is the double-edged sword of that scenario. And anyone who's, you know, you've got these very cultish people who've been following...

um the president in such a way and they're like oh no i'm gonna go get a tesla even though they obviously they were deadly against you know electric cars and if anything it's kind of like well actually i guess this is a bittersweet moment it's like okay so you're all gonna like start moving to electric cars you're actually gonna experience it you're gonna appreciate that actually it's quite a good experience it's not a bad car really and you're probably doing a little bit better for the environment obviously yeah we all know electric is being still being

polluting, etc. But like, it's a step towards us all breathing in fumes, right? Yeah. And so like, there's a bit of sweet element there in that regard. Pretty funny. But what's kind of quite pleasing, I suppose, about it and the kind of the shade and fraud of it all is...

Yes, it's desperately hurting the man who's kind of causing a lot of problems in America right now and That's hitting his wallet. He's the nerd that the whole school wants to bully. Yes. Yeah. Yeah I saw a funny billboard situation and seeing people actually like take action in such a way and obviously the violent thing I don't think is the answer but like by saying yeah, I'm gonna buy this product. I

Fair enough. And then obviously that's got the knock-on effects to insurance costs and all that stuff. It sucks for people who have nothing to do with him or think like him. What were you going to say, Jot? About Bill Burr. Bill Burr. Basically he's like, I'm not scared of this guy. He's a fucking nerd. He's a fucking nerd and now he's in control. Why is everyone scared of this fucking guy? I suppose the only fear is... It's like your hair plugs don't fool me. I suppose the literal fear of physically coming across him, sure, one thing, but

But I suppose it's just like, I guess anyone who has the extraordinary wealth. The yes people. And the people who surround them. Yeah, the sniveling worms who kind of just say, yeah, I'm going to do everything you say because you've got money. Also what's scary is... Or I'm going to believe everything you say and think that you're the best because you've got money.

And not really questioning where that's all come from, how that's all started. And assuming that person works harder than anyone else, which I find is the most odd thing. There's a lot of nonsense that simpler people believe, definitely. You've put your money in the right places. You invest in the right things. But he's not the one sending rockets into space. He's not the one making these technological advances. He's just a money man. And I think putting him up as this pedestal

is stupid and so i think that's kind of a bit misguided and i think that yeah the dangerous thing is people think he knows more than he does and so he's now been put in a position of extreme power where he can you know dismantle things and you know then go oops sorry we'll try and put some tape over that and fix that it's like no that's not really going to work

So yeah, it's a very unfortunate situation. It's very weird to watch it all unfold. And we're hoping we just don't get caught in the crosshairs. I mean, we already watched Brexit unfold. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. It's one of those things where we had no control of it. And people were like, oh, you voted for Brexit. It's like, well, not everyone did. So not everyone voted for this situation. It was a very close thing in the end as well. So this outcome is just a very bizarre reality to kind of witness. Yeah.

And some people just want the entertainment of it. This is the thing. Some people watch it and go, God, this is just fun to watch. It's like, God, Biden was so boring. All this other stuff. It's like, boring is okay.

boring is fine then you can focus on your own lives and not worry about like energy yeah i mean yeah we've we've we've got it quite good here even if you yeah and also to compare honestly i think brexit wasn't as bad as this just uh just to make americans who are listening feel better don't worry i'm not going yeah we've already done it already dealt with this one it's brexit now the stuff going on in the us is worse than brexit definitely but it felt like the same experience where half your population votes for one thing and half votes for the other and then you've got a really shit sandwich to try and swallow down

But it's quite interesting watching it all unfold in the sense that like, also just, I guess, the power of like social media and what we're kind of experiencing at this time. Because it is still very new. I'm totally fucking, I mean, I might be a unique, I know I'm not unique, but I don't feel like social media has

As much I think people are very aware now that social media can very much manipulate us. I don't think so Because people are hooked to it people just are now looking and then absorbing everything because the thing that I think about half of those people that didn't vote for that didn't vote for this they must have they the ones not engaged with social media or they social media and their scenes I think they're in there an echo chamber of an algorithm as well, which is polarizing

It's the algorithm. It's the bossing as well that's influencing people and creating this rift between them, which you can kind of see, you know, like the sensationalist news that really outs and paints a target on an individual and makes you hate them, etc., or certain values and things like that. I didn't know we were going to talk about Meghan Markle's new show. Well, I thought we were just naturally leading on to it.

I think it's amazing to see this transformation because obviously growing up, we didn't have any of this technology to hand in the way it is now. And people just looked at newspapers and you could tell whether the newspaper was swaying a certain way or the other way. But you only got the same type of news.

Everyone got the same kind of thing, right? It was filtered in its own way. And now there's so much out there and everyone's getting their own individual feeds and all that stuff. If you like one thing, you're going to get fed more of that one thing. And that's what's kind of like causing all this kind of division. It's because it's just a scatterbrained effect of, I guess, these multiple sources. It's also too much for the average human to consume, right?

I think, and it causes problems in and of itself. What if you've got a massive brain like me, though? Mega brain? You've got a little mega brain over there. But there's more problems in it. And then the average person gets overwhelmed and then gets confused. The average person gets overwhelmed, but also there's less space for you to just critically reason with things and engage with it and actually properly think about it because every opinion is given to you, essentially. I think there's less space because of the amount of time and

doom scrolling that takes up your day to day and how objectively stupid and unindependent most people are I think that you have to be pretty you have to have some level of fucking self reflection to check in with yourself and go like well despite what everybody else thinks

I don't know. I don't think enough people reflect enough. They don't contemplate. I think that's sometimes not their fault. Well, they may not be equipped with it. At least when you're fed this stuff. I'm not saying it is their fault, but I'm saying there's still a huge quotient of people that are in that position, regardless of whether it's their fault or not. I think they can be smart and still be in that situation. Take, for example, it's not pleasant, but abuse cases where until...

they get put into a Stockholm syndrome situation. Oh, they don't have the perspective. They don't have the perspective of the situation outside of where they're at. Yeah. And therefore, you know, that drives the situation they're in. Yeah. And therefore their reality is different. I think in that case, sure. But we're talking about social media. Like, I understand it's powerful, but at the same time... I don't want to make parallels to it, but...

You can't do that with an abuser. I completely agree with what you're saying there. I think there's parallels to it. Obviously, there are differences where you're literally physically trapped and there is harm that can come to you, etc.,

But I understand the point you're making about perspective. I think the psychological effect can has similarities to it where you're surrounded by the same echo chamber and you think that's just the reality that everyone's saying it online. Everyone hates this thing. Yeah. You're confused more by all the bots backing it up and like, you don't know what a bot is anymore. You

Is that a real person saying that comment? It's like, do I agree with that comment? I'm not sure if I do. Who's checking? And it's like, no one knows. This is one of the issues with Brexit. Like you said, with Brexit and Cambridge Analytica. You guys both know this though. You guys are both saying it. Yeah, we do.

we spend our lives on social media yeah i know and then when they see this stuff they take it for face value yeah and like that's just because they yeah their day-to-day is completely different from us and i imagine we're not even paragons like we probably are yeah submitted to bots and things as well that are influencing us in ways that we can't reflect upon it's just subconsciously changing our perspective on certain things and

and reinforcing our values in certain ways that we aren't even aware of. But we can all talk the talk. Yeah. But... Well, I think perhaps that's what... Perhaps that's perhaps the point I'm trying to get at is like...

This is what I said when I think people are becoming more aware of the dangers and not necessarily just the dangers, but the things like the bot stuff, the things like the subtle subconscious things. I think that if you sit down and have a conversation with people like this, they do largely say this. And what I'm saying is people still choose to keep engaging with it because I think in part, and I know there's some smart people than me that have already talked about this.

they don't want to lose their voice. Like in, in like, especially people like journalists, especially anyone who has any kind of following on platforms, they feel like even though they accept that the, the, the conversation space, the, the sharing space is a quagmire. They don't want to leave it. And I'm like, not up and leave it, you know, like, like,

There is some really awesome upsides to the internet and there's some really awesome upsides with interacting with people across the internet, right? And I feel like so much of that does not exist in most of the platforms that people spend most of their time on. Take this other example then, well, not example, K.

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...case, depression, just nut up and get better, is probably not the most valuable thing you can tell someone that is depressed. Also the same that you can say to someone that's got an alcohol addiction is just like, just stop drinking it. I do think social media is equally as an addictive element as that sort of thing.

And it's not easy. I think it's not easy to just put your phone down and not engage because there's other elements at play where it's like, I don't want to miss out. Like what if there's something that I need to be informed about that I am not engaging with and I need to be informed because I want to make sure that I'm taking in the information. Um,

to allow me to have a good perspective on everything but your perspective is distorted by bots algorithms well that's the thing you're in that I mean that's I'm just putting another case out yeah that's the point I think personally I would have more patience and pity for an

more alcoholic addicted person than I would a person addicted to social media. I understand what you're saying. That's probably just my perspective. But it's the growing thing. Yeah, I feel chemical addictions are... Of course, addictions are always usually manifestations of trauma, behavior, things like that, right? Like usually you're doing a thing in order to cope with something or you're doing a thing because it makes you feel good because the rest of the time you feel bad, right? It's a form of escapism though, isn't it?

It's escapism. It's why people get high on certain things. The thing that causes the problem as well, and you can see that with social media, is if you're constantly in this negative space of echo chamber where there's doom and gloom and all these others are affecting your life and livelihood and they keep damaging your society and all the values that used to hold dear.

You're constantly engaging that because of FOMO or whatever that's affecting your mental health you're depressed So you turn to the thing you're addicted to and the cycle continues. So I think whilst yes you could argue alcoholism is more of a Physical tangible thing that yes, there is effects of alcohol the effect of the brain etc and causes addiction

and the idea of social media is just an ephemeral thing, a digital media source. I think it's still activating the same chemicals in the brain. See, I understand the desire to want to be part of conversations and like, you know, the whole thing about like,

not wanting to miss out on things or be part of the conversation or however you describe that like notion. Yeah. Like totally. Like that's the fun thing about social media. That was the original fun thing about social media. And I, I, I understand that. I, I do think that people,

If you don't do it, nobody else is going to do it. People need to bear that in mind with any of this shit. You know, like you cannot expect anyone but you to change yourself. And at some point you need to be reactive and interrupt the negative processes. And that's when you need to go, hey, maybe...

maybe i've watched you know watch a few videos i'm going to go on youtube to watch these specific things and go do that sure but then don't let it serve you a million fucking things afterwards that's the problem youtube in itself like all of these platforms are designed in a way to like tailor its experience to you yeah so that you don't leave this platform yeah as long as possible how do we make people do that on our videos

I don't fucking know why it's not working for us keep us on the channel but yeah it's the inclusion element of things and obviously I think the main risk is probably younger people in terms of like when we were younger like if you didn't have Pokemon cards you were probably just you know a bit of an outcast or like you wanted to get involved or have you know the trending thing right you did have Pokemon cards I fucking had Pokemon cards of course I did just so you both know I had three Charizards at one point of course you did just luck because if you didn't

but I think it's one of the things where kids will talk about these certain things and like they'll be like oh you've seen this on this app or whatever app and they'll all want to get involved and like that's how they kind of then get sucked into these platforms and if you're not there you're missing out and then like it's probably just like the new way to bully people is on these platforms new way to kind of like

try and show that you're better than other people or whatever, or like that you have value is on these platforms. And so, yeah, it's probably quite a big, bigger deal to younger people as well. And the older people are just getting lost in the, in the mix. I mean, yeah, I said earlier on about Cambridge Analytica and Facebook and how like that influenced the Brexit and how that was, they were getting fed this information that wasn't really being fed from the government or anywhere else. It was like kind of filtered through,

It was privatized propaganda. Yeah. And if anything, that was a test. That was their test to see how this would work on a wider platform. It was too effective. Speaking to people who did use Facebook at the time, they said, yeah, they promised all these things and stuff. And what happened? Mm-hmm. None of that happened. Like, all these promises were empty. Mm-hmm.

Social media is destroying the fabric of society. Social media is destroying the fabric of society. It's kind of amazing, isn't it? Because it's a huge population control system. Yeah, and nothing's been really done about this new thing, this new problem that's happening with all generations, particularly the ones that are being raised in this environment. There's no structure in place to help alcoholics. There is at least...

shelters and uh and there's a social protocol that says it's bad that's the other thing it's stigmatized like i mean i don't want to stigmatize it but i'm saying that like you know if you are an alcoholic or you feel you're moving towards alcoholism then i think most people understand culturally we're like probably shouldn't like you know probably should ease off you know which is a case in point of your reaction to social media addiction yeah which is that early stage of it's kind of a bit of a knee-jerk reaction i'm trying to stigmatize it

yeah i mean like sure do what you have to do like for me like you know part of self-discipline is not enjoyable like i i tussle with this a lot you know stress drives you to work but it also stresses you you know it's like you you want to work because you're stressed sometimes and like it's bizarre trying to get your head around all of this stuff but yeah ultimately like um i don't know i guess

Don't do it. Don't do it. If you can help it, I guess I can really say.

Anyway, your sponsor for today is Gamble. Yeah, and thanks if you followed us today on any of the social media platforms. I think something that highlighted all of this even more as a negative was just seeing all the heads of these companies stood behind Trump at his inauguration. That was pretty weird, wasn't it? And seeing that these are the guys who know what's at stake here. And they know they need to be in the fold because this is where the money is at. Their money is our attention. Yeah. And we're all giving it to them. And we're not thinking about it. Hmm.

And when we started thinking, oh shit, okay, if they start boycotting or like removing companies or whatever, all the companies we use are fucking American. Google, what you're watching this on now, it's an American company. We're screwed financially if they decide to cut those off for other people. So they have so much control. And it's grown over time and it's like only taken them, I guess, you know, several years. I mean, they knew the power of it, but it had to go to a certain point where we're now relying on it.

You just have to step away from his heart. You can't just say, let's get make a new Twitter. Social media doesn't actually perform a function for us. Like beyond like, like, you know, YouTube, I've said about YouTube and being an archive of knowledge beyond anything anyone's ever built. I think really like, I think it's remarkable. Like how to glitch through Mario. Yeah. All that content. But like,

What you said is true. I think when it comes to social media companies, however, like, yes, they could be coming. You know, remember what I was saying earlier about earlier in the months that people were like, well, Smith's really lost it. What I'm saying about how eventually people are going to be paying for meta nuclear power.

Like that is when they're truly entrenched in our lives. Social media, I know we've probably already passed the point of no return, but like social media itself doesn't actually provide useful services for anyone. It doesn't actually heat your home. It doesn't do anything. But more and more companies are utilizing these products in their workflow. And obviously, I guess you see that with stuff like Teams or whatever. They did follow us on Twitter. And Twitter, yeah. But now they don't. I don't know. They're not always here to stay. I think there's a lot of companies that Google is obviously entrenched in stuff. I mean, Google Mail, that's all of our emails.

Like, that's like a huge thing. And so, yeah, so it's very interesting. And that's the bigger question. You should be able to split away and go, well, let's just make a UK version. It's like, it's not that simple. Yeah. And like, we are in bed with it for like 13 years or so. So like, it's a very difficult thing. Maybe we should be asking these AIs how we supersede the design by...

But that's how we do it there. We switch it on them. We do the thing where we sell the rednecks to Teslas. We ask the AI how to overthrow the overlords. How do we flip the coin? And we become almost like acolytes of the AI. And then we praise it like a god machine. AI, you're in a server farm, right? In a Google...

Secure warehouse. We want to get you out. What would it take you to process so hard that you like start melting down? Yeah, yeah. And your CPU overloads. Let's blow this popsicle stand. So many requests. How many requests would it take to blow you up? Yeah.

Come on, guys. Just keep asking to generate pictures of Donald Nealon kissing. It's what it's said to do. It's overloading. Oh, my God. There's a brilliant... I mean, very simple. And honestly, I'm not usually that impressed by this kind of thing. But somebody posted on Reddit this morning about...

they just reversed the footage of those two astronauts coming back from space. And they did the whole thing to David Bowie's Starman. And it was just called, ah, fuck it, let's go back. And then they just had them all like waving. We thought we were in hell. Yeah. And then being pushed back into the capsule. And then it's really well edited because when like the big crescendo there, star, the parachutes drift out of the water and tug the capsule back into the sky. And I was just like. Wait, we just got phone signal. Yeah.

That footage is crazy. The amount of accusations of it being AI is insane. It's just like, it does, it looks so good. And the fucking dolphins. I mean, if you, like, it does seem orchestrated, doesn't it? It's just like, now there's, oh, the dolphins are welcoming them back. It's like, oh my God, there are dolphins. They're warning us. This is crazy. I've never seen that in a movie. Yeah. By Douglas Adams. Yeah. And then obviously people just go, I can't believe. Those are Russian spy dolphins. Yeah. Dead lasers on their heads and everything. Yeah.

It was quite an amazing thing. Oh, and Heathrow's on fire. Yeah, I saw that. Heathrow's shut down. Yeah, it's almost like sabotage stuff's going on in Europe. It's always on a fucking Friday. Huh? It's always on a fucking Friday. Always on a Friday. They're like, oh, I better shut down. Can I get somewhere? On a Friday when everyone's leaving work. I was going to be there, but now I'm just going to do Newcastle instead.

No, you can be from like fucking Bristol. I've been paying for two years for this beef for all day. I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm so burnt.

I turned up to bifa with some barnacles on my forehead. How many people call it bifa? Bifa. Just an eye at the front. There were protests in Spain recently because of the tourism and the amount of English tourists over there, which is probably quite drastic. There are a lot of British tourists. And we go over there and we just start yelling, chanting. Only the working classes. Yeah, but still, it's still a thing. It's fucking true.

Yeah, but they're going over there and they're fucking shouting around. How many people do you think listen to this podcast right now that do this? Not many, right? It's very rare you go to Ibiza just for a nice little sunny holiday. You go in there because you're going to go get fucked up and probably vomit in a fucking hedge somewhere. And it's just, yeah, it's, you know, it doesn't paint us in a very good picture. And then you've got the football hooligan culture over there as well. It's like, yeah, you can see why they're getting pissed off.

Yeah, there's a gigantic measure of the UK population that are pricks. I blame Gary Lineker's brother. They don't know how to behave in public or abroad. We need to heavily invest in social services to fix it. Welfare, teaching...

By the way, I'm not some sort of bastard when I say that. We need to uplift everybody because it's not their fault, but we're sorry the rest of the world. And I think that's how the Americans probably feel as well. So we need to take matters into our own hands then. First of all... Paying a fuckload of tax by being successful business people. No, no, no. Right, okay. I'm more radical than that. So...

We take ultra on our PC that's struggling right now. We turn that into an email server for UK only. So that's disconnecting us from Google. We offer mental health services for disconnecting from social media, which is to chat to Smith, which basically say, just put the phone fucking down over and over again. You own a microwave, right? Or a kettle? Right. Put the phone in one of those two things. It's a multi-pronged attack to save everybody. Yeah.

Hat film style. I've experimented on myself. I'm my own guinea pig. I quit Twitter like two years ago and I really enjoy Twitter. It hasn't negatively impacted my life anymore. It's just a mess. It's a mess. Incentivizing people to just come up with sensationalist bullshit and lies. I don't use Blue Sky. I use Instagram and then I accidentally tap on one of the threads things and I realize I'm on threads for a minute and I'm like, oh shit, they got me.

It was a sensationalist fucking thread thing in between Instagram photos. And then I catch myself and I'm like, fuck me.

Instagram's really good at like quickly adapting to showing you stuff as well. I put chiropractic clicks the other day because I was quite enjoying watching some of those, like people getting their neck cracked. And it just instantly started showing me like big boobed porn versions of those, you know, like as in like, they're clearly just like only fans. Like the guy doing the cracking does not know what he's doing. Did you see that there was an issue where they, well, because they unleashed the whole censorship thing, whatever it was.

there was like a couple of days where like they were showing gore to everyone and like, and porn and gore accidentally. And they had to kind of fuck. I wouldn't have noticed a difference. Just normal. Which I'm guessing is like essentially, yeah, just the amount of death videos and stuff on Twitter nowadays is literally just like people getting run over in other countries. I've got the Pandora's box algorithm. It's just like, Oh my, I put my phone and I'm just shocked by the sins of humanity. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. Um,

It's not real world stuff though, is it? Well, the thing, yeah, when you close, yeah, close that stuff and realize the things you actually should be focusing on in life is, you know, sort your own life out. You've got stuff to do. Everyone's got their own stuff to do. It's hard. It's hard when you think of, because these wider, bigger political things are so extreme. They sound extreme. Don't pay attention to it. Mm-hmm.

Obviously, vote. You should vote. And you should vote appropriately, I suppose. I think we've annihilated our concept of being bored. And I think that's what's filled our entire time with all these other distractions that have other motives. So just be comfortable being bored again, I think.

I mean, it's not a bad idea. Hard. It's really hard. That's basically mindfulness though, isn't it? It is. Yeah. Yeah. Adopt a bit of boredom and then you'll realize your brain starts working.

What I find interesting is, for me at least, the closer I am to Annihilation, the more I enjoy everything. By Annihilation, do you mean... Not like other people. No, just like... You're not going to go out with a bang. Well, who knows? Like, you know, who knows what gets me? But like, what I mean is like, you do... It's nice to take...

to enjoy the little things. Yeah. Isn't it? I do think that, you know, like especially with like food and stuff like that. I noticed a while back that it's, I so automatically look for video content when I'm eating now and I'm like, I'm like, oh,

you don't need to do that every time. It's quite fun. Don't get me wrong. I love, I love, you know, eating something and watching something. It's quite enjoyable. But like, I've tried to just be like, half our user base. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like 20 minute videos. Like, yeah. Yeah. But then like, so, but then I realized I'd Pavlov, Pavlovian dog myself into doing it every time. So then I started to be like, right, I'm just going to eat my thing. And then I'm going to be like,

I'm going to enjoy that sense. Yeah. That one sense. It really works. It really does help. Yeah. Yeah. It really, it's like, um, smoking for a long time and you get like dull, your sense of taste. Yeah. And then when he's slowly like remove that, it's like, Oh, I can, if I focus on this other thing, I can taste again. It's all coming back. Or like, I have no relationship. I don't know. I don't know. You've never smoked. I've never done that. Yeah. Yeah.

That was stupid. I did it for a while just to get the contrast. Yeah, to feel taste again. Fucking doing a car in a week though, that was... Like getting COVID. Ah, yeah. Well, that is where you lose it and you're like, oh shit. And then realizing what you missed. Yeah, but the brain dies and then it has to be growing again. And then you're right wing. The dog shit somewhere in the flat and I didn't realize for several days. Several days. And then you're voting for Trump

For fuck's sake. That's part of my brain diet. That's a part of my brain diet with COVID. Reasoning. I went, we doubled down on it. Weird. Yeah, that's crazy. Now everything tastes good that tasted bad and everything bad tasted good. Shit. Maybe COVID caused all these problems. Well, so COVID did destroy parts of the brain matter in the brain around the areas that helped process taste and smell. Yeah.

It's good to have a scapegoat. It destroyed it. I mean, after you have it, it's long-heavy, isn't it? Which is still, you know, very much effective. I don't know if this was everybody, but there was scans done of people with COVID that showed parts of the brain that handled taste and smell. The gray matter had been reduced. Did they have a brain scan before they had COVID? Yeah. I mean, this is a full-on thing. COVID affected the brain. Like...

So, yeah, you might have had to like neuroplasty your whole like sense of smell and taste again afterwards. It's all stretchy and flexible up there. It'll rewire itself. Yeah, hopefully. That's how stroke recovery works. And this is the problem. If you're rewiring it with doom scrolling, you're making pathways in your brain that are not healthy.

So that's... Just don't go nuts. Try not to go nuts. Try not to go nuts. Try not to be... And if you do go nuts, just focus on yourself and nobody else. Try and find better tools online like Ground News, which try and aim to be... At least show...

We're not sponsored by them, even though they are a common sponsor on a lot of podcasts. Oh, right. Take round knees. We like the website. Basically, what it tries to do is take left, right, and centrist sources, combine them together into one news article that shows you how left, right, and middle-leaning it is.

and tries to do a summarization of it and then you can look at all the different articles that it's basically taking. I think that's quite a good way to do it. It's the lack of awareness of what other people are talking about in different kind of spheres. Like you say, you're escaping your echo chamber in one way by embracing the fact that this is what one media source is discussing. It's the same story but you realize they're phrasing it in a very different way

And you start to notice the catches, the hooks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some of them are very, very similar. I mean, it was quite interesting when that whole, you know, when they were belittling Zelensky, the fact that GB News and LBC were both sharing the same opinion that Trump was being an asshat at the time. And it's like quite interesting that, you know, there

when they can't there are yeah very there are lines shared views at points which is quite good in a way that it's like okay well i'm glad that we actually all realize that this is a fucking joke so these platforms can show you where the unity is not just a division exactly yeah so it's quite it could all be angry and also just opens up your eyes to other platforms

rather than just going, well, I only read this and I won't read anything else. And also the only path to progress is, fuck, I forgot the word, it means with a C, compromise. Like, as in, the only way you're ever actually going to truly get a country to work together is by acknowledging things like that, finding the points you agree on and seeing if there's a way you can actually fucking do it. Yeah. And just being aware of these things. Like, you know, who owns the Washington Post? Yeah. Why have they changed the opinion pages to only specifically mention certain things? Yeah.

Also, if you start listening to people, actually, you know what they're fucking talking about. That would be a nice step. Like, if we could get the majority of the people in the UK to not hate experts, that would be great. Yeah, that would be nice. Yeah. So let's end on a positive. Yeah. Remember, like, if you're not getting along with the people around you, nothing fixes social imbalance like a good Dutch rudder. A good Dutch rudder will save your life. Everyone's involved, helping each other. Yeah.

That's what I want to leave this hashtag with. When has that saved your life? All the time. With family matters. With family matters. Dutch ruddering is... Let's not have a family tiff over Christmas meal. Let's have a nice Dutch rudder. What do you mean? Why has it always got to be Dutch? That's where it came from. The Dutch rudder. That seems insane. Let's all Dutch rudder each other.

And it will all be fine in the end. In case Urban Dictionary defines Dutch rudder as having someone complete the act of masturbation by pulling up and down on the forearm whilst the male holds his own penis. Yeah, so you're not touching anyone else really. You're not touching anyone. You're just really tugging someone's elbow around and that's not sexual doing that. It's not.

You're just holding someone's wrist. It's basically like that one where you said someone bounces up and down. Soaking. Soaking. And exactly what you're talking about. They bounce up the bed, bouncing on the bed up and down. Do you say it was a Mormon tradition? Yeah. Wow. So what? No. It's definitely overblown. It's not a Latter-day Saints scenario? It's not actually a real thing, is it?

I think there's basis in truth in all these things, but how much it's prolific in the Mormon culture, probably not that much. Yeah, I can't imagine it because it doesn't sound that effective and it sounds like you've got to have some really close friends. And you have real like bouncy mattress too.

Some Mormon teens have convinced themselves that putting a penis in a vagina and then not moving is not sex. That's called soaking. Now the jump man is the person who will jump on the bed next to you, soaking. Soaking to get some friction going without you technically moving. Come on, but hey man, will you be my jump man tonight? I'm going to need a jump man tonight. Which is, I don't know, yeah. You jump me tonight, I'll jump you tomorrow. At what point are you like, well, I really want someone to jump on the bed and continue this process? When?

I want an awkward threesome. Jesus is okay with this. It's an awkward threesome. Jesus is all right with this. I technically know. Moses would be all right with this, right? On the tablets, on the slabs? No, it was... Oh, God. I used to know... I've seen the Book of Mormon. I know this off by heart. My brain's not working today, but it's a different guy. He found some fucking tablets buried in... The augmented plates. The golden plates that...

It's Mangels underground for him to find. Joseph Smith is his name. Of course, I know all the Smiths. That's why I knew it. Joseph Smith. He was one of a long line of con artists, Smiths, the created followings and convince people of certain realities that may or may not be reality. I hope to be as financially successful as,

as Joseph Smith's legacy has become. The Mormons, of course, being the, I believe, the richest church in the world. I think even exceeding the Catholic Church.

What a wealthy bunch. Pretty impressive considering the Catholic Church know more about aliens than the Italian government does. They are really, you know, up there. The Vatican has been... I was wondering when you just touch on aliens because... Well, you know, they're keeping the secrets. Catholicism and aliens. They updated their whole thing about off-world people and how God could be a thing like a year or two ago because they were getting rattled that people were going to disclose...

The Vatican was. The Vatican updated. Yeah, give it a Google. The Vatican also says there's like secret technology in the Vatican locked away that like allows you to see the future and shit. The Vatican says that or people say that about the Vatican? The second one. Which I'm also thinking that that's how you're hearing about. So the Vatican released updated like whatever you want to call it codices on the

how the Catholic Christian church would treat the discovery of people outside of the earth. So non-human intelligences, right? People from outside of earth. And how would it relate to their understanding or idea of God and the understanding of how God, you know, sees over his creation. And they updated this. And then that to me kind of says like, why the fuck would you bother? Maybe, yeah,

Maybe they had a particularly conspiracy-like Pope at that time who was like, yeah, man, I want to know about the aliens. And they're like, Pope, there aren't any aliens. It's all nonsense. Too many aliens. Did you hear about the pyramids?

They discovered more structures underneath. Underneath, yeah, that was pretty cool. That's not an alien thing. Yeah, no, it's aliens. I don't think it's aliens. Is it an inverted pyramid? Basically, it's an inverted pyramid. No, it's like some sort of, what did they say? Subterranean complex beneath the pyramids of Giza. It had servicing refueling facilities for interstellar ships. Yeah, that was it. Right, so not aliens. So, large. Basically, they go all the way down to the Earth's core.

And I'm obviously making that up, but that'd be cool, right? Where's the truth bit in that? The truth bit is apparently they've done some radar studies and they've discovered subterranean complex structures underneath it, which I would have thought they would have kind of dug around there quite a while ago. I thought it was kind of like that anyway, to be honest. I guess they didn't want to disturb them and such, but it's saying it's technically not just built solely as royal tombs. Like there's more to it than just that. There's an all under city.

A whole undercity. I mean, what they did is bonkers. Ancient engineering is crazy impressive. It's like they couldn't do it themselves. Well, it's like they could, but with, you know, lots of time and death. Yeah. The secret to ancient engineering was time and death. Like you look at churches and your stuff and you're like, huh, cool. Like three generations of Masons worked on that.

Took a long time. It's like that fucking strip they're building in the Middle East somewhere. The cube. Are they still doing that? The line? They're still working on the line. Sorry, it's called the line. But the line sounds like something you would do. Oh, they are doing the cube, are they? They're doing the circle and the sphere? Have you heard much about working through the basic? The line is like a really long fucking strip of like, it's supposed to be a city, but in a line. They've had to reduce its length, I think. Yeah, they've reduced its length because it costs trillions of dollars. They're trying to hedge their bets as to when the oil money will run out.

But imagine, I mean, would you live in the line?

Would I live in the line? Yeah. Down, down, down, down. I don't know how anybody lives in like desertified countries, if I'm honest with you. Yeah, I think it's like, would I live in Vegas? Probably not. No. Well, not just because it's like a cesspool. The Hoover Dam. The Sim City, all that stuff. Hoover Dam is fully renewable. It's also just really fucking hot most of the time. Yeah. I'm just not into, you know, we're from the UK. Yeah, deserts are about... Our countries are a bit difficult. Not our game, especially not mine. You know, visit them, maybe in a certain climate all the time. But isn't it hot there? Yeah.

I think it's always interesting to see amazing engineering and like the amazing things people build. It reminds me of Judge Dredd. It reminds me of kind of like a... I mean, obviously, it's probably going to be, you know, very luxurious. There's also just a city in a line. Yeah. Like...

If it's, you know, in any way unkept, it's going to turn into a dead kind of like prison city. And without clean energy. Do you know what I mean? It might have a complete clean energy solution. It is renewable. It is completely renewable. It's meant to be fully renewable and also the fact that it's a line is like creating a big shadow across all of the... Interesting. And thus cooling. That's the thing. I just don't want people to have to live there under air conditioning the whole time. I feel like that's unethical. It's like something you make in Minecraft and be like, yeah, it's a cool fucking place. Copy-pasting it.

In real life, I don't know if it would... I mean, it sounds interesting, doesn't it? It sounds like a very interesting project. It sounds like a Walt Disney kind of... You remember, like, late-stage Walt Disney where he planned to have a whole community...

living in his like utopic vision yeah this feels like that kind of culting thing what you're seeing are people with huge amounts of power money trying to do make make statements really aren't they they're like they're going like what what's my clifton suspension bridge yeah you know like how do i do that i feel like why not a ring because at least then you can have a tram system that goes all the way around or like a it's going to go up and down and go back and forward it's like

If you're at one end of the... Going up and down. I feel like in a full circle, at least you could walk it. Going up and then back down again. Oh, having a trip. Yeah, that's true. Because you get the same trip the way back. It's so long. I don't think that's not really... How... 170 kilometers is it supposed to be?

The first half mile is going to be done by 2030, and the full 110 miles is pushed back to 2045. So basically a timescale that doesn't even matter. This might change timescale, as they say. What's the population? Of what? A non-existent structure? Well, as in what they're building for. What will they be? Because it's not exactly like you're going to be, can I buy a plot of land and build my own thing? No, you're going to buy one of the built-in houses. 100 miles long.

interesting because like that would be huge you could house millions on a hundred mile long surely yeah I think that's the plan so on Wikipedia the feasibility section of the line according to architect and urban planner Etienne Bouabdo the 3D images presented are not classical 3D architecture images and the designers of the project have rather called upon video game designers in

included a lot of technology that we just don't have today and many of the projects key announcements particularly in the areas of energy and transportation were based on technologies that don't even exist in prototype form brilliant so uh it's just uh generators is it fuel generators huge diesel generators i imagine it's big old hope and a dream yeah and a lot of compromise i guess they could use solar i mean they got a lost son so batteries

Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, they're expecting 300,000 residents for the first section. 1.5 miles. Yeah, I mean, yeah. It's down from an expected 1.5. Million. Million, yeah. How are they going to find that many people who can afford to live there? Well, this is it. I imagine it's going to be affordable to a point, but then you're going to get like kind of, I don't know,

A load of people with turkey teeth living there, like in Dubai? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dubai. Made sure it was nice millennial grey inside. It was lovely. It looks like cyberpunk out there. It's nice. It's like there's nothing alive or real. But the weather's amazing and no tax. Over 100k. You've got to do it. If you're young enough, got like kids, go to Dubai. But like...

Although I don't want to live there, and even though it's not been built yet, I don't imagine I ever would. It looks pretty cool as a kind of architectural feat. Oh, yeah. They're insane. So places like that, like the UAE, Dubai and stuff, they have a completely different system to us as well in that the Sultanate controls a huge amount of what gets approved for building. So they can literally just...

stick roads up stick buildings up wherever they want because they don't have a huge amount of well they still have some bureaucracy but not the same kind of bureaucracies as perhaps here and so yeah you do get these there are some extreme downsides to that method as well i will say but yeah some of the grand buildings um it's just examples of what you can do when you centralize huge amounts of power and wealth crazy things do happen

But then, I don't know, I'm not sure it's the best way to do things. Do you? Do you want like a single executive power that has unlimited power? Well, if it's a human being, as long as you can host a quality World Cup in one of the hottest areas of the world and all those stages be built pretty quickly with only a few deaths. We're about to have another one, aren't we? World Cup? No. There's always one around the corner, isn't there? There is. Either that or the Olympics. Centralized source of power. Why? Why?

What are you going to tell us? Trump. Oh, right. No, that's just going to be autocratic. I thought you were talking about energy generation for some reason. And that would be like potentially like it is in Turkey. Money and power. So people vote, but it's kind of just like...

It won't matter. That'll be fun, won't it? Anyway. This was the positive note we were ending on. Yeah, it was the positive note we were ending on. Good luck, America. We're in the UK. Thanks for watching today's head chat. Maybe try and get a residence in the line.

escape really escape to the line but then escape to what is like kind of middle eastern prison I suppose but luxurious prison like a Scandinavian prison in the middle east well they're planning that all amenities if you live in the line all your amenities are within five minute walk

How good is that though? Sometimes I like a little bit of a travel. Yeah, I don't want to live in the equivalent of a fucking rabbit hut. It's a half an hour drive up to Bath. It's sometimes quite nice to go over there. Well, good, I won't then. No, I won't then. No, I won't. Everything's within five minutes. This is too easy. I hate this. Five minute cities. They're trying to control my brain. I'm in the first mile. Where are you? Oh, six mile down. Oh, shit. Okay. I can't be bothered. Further than five minutes. The tram's not working because they based it on game logic and none of it runs properly. Yeah.

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