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182? Yeah. It's 182. That's insane. That's so many Hatchats. It's the age of the queen when she finally passed. That's pretty crazy, isn't it? To me, it still feels like this version of Hatchat's the new one, but it's not. It's like 182 deep. And also, yeah, several weeks have been missed here and there, so it's not new at all. No. That's what age does to you. It makes time condense.

ever increase in speed does it it does I do find that I don't know if we want to get into it but I do find that the older we get the faster time moves it 100% does the worrying nature of our impending doom oh I don't have that bit

Well, I mean, it's just, you know, we are fast accelerating towards death. Right. Sorry, who is speaking? Oh, sorry. Yes, I am ever-aging Chris Trott. Hi, Chris Trott. I'm ever-aging Ross Honby. And I'm Katniss Everage. No, I'm Alex Smith. And yeah, time flies.

time mystery what a mystery times it just what a mystery an illusion it is life is an illusion your brain is an illusion your consciousness is an illusion everything's an illusion that's how people lose their minds i think and go full psychosis mode and end up in the middle of the street naked screaming when they've just gone fuck it everything's an illusion why like i think once we hit 30 every two every two years should be one year

Once we hit 30. And there should only be one Christmas in that period of time. Yeah. So rather than this build up to, oh, it's 400 days to Christmas. It's like, yeah, yeah. Is it? Is it? Is it? Well, yeah. Christmas comes down way too quick when you're an adult, doesn't it? Yeah.

But then that's the seasons as well, isn't it? That is seasons. You can't slow the seasons down. I think it would be best if you could slow the seasons down. Or if you can slow the weather down or alter the weather manually like they do, which they did. Remember they made that hurricane? Which one? The big one. The big one that went through Florida. Who made that? God. The bloody libs. Oh, the libs did it. Oh, did they? Someone did it. Someone did it.

Someone, they were trying to blame someone. What rabbit hole have you gone down? There's no rabbit hole. I reckon you could actually nuke a hurricane. You reckon you could nuke a hurricane? Well, I mean, it would cause other forms of hurricane, but it would destroy the existing hurricane. Well, it would cause a radioactive hurricane that just accelerated the speed of radiation poisoning throughout a country. But you wouldn't die from a hurricane. No.

No. You'd die from the radiation poison. You'd die from the nuclear fallout. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which one's the worst death, do you reckon? Probably nuclear fallout. Yeah, yeah. Because I've seen Twister and it wouldn't feel too bad to get thrown up in the air like the cows did. Yeah, well, have you seen Chernobyl? I have seen that. That dude's skin just flaked off and melted away. Not many people actually died in Chernobyl, though.

No. Did they not? How many people died? Not very many. Considering it was a massive nuclear... It was awful. It was an awful thing. Also, I was basing it on that was a TV show. Would you stick your tongue out and catch a flake? Yeah. These snowflakes are extra tasty. My tongue went... 30 people. 30 people? 30. Wow. That's pretty good.

In terms of... Pretty good. No, no, sorry. It's bad that 30 people died. Well, it died immediately. I don't think that takes into account the fact that everybody within... I mean, even people... Well, didn't loads of people get cancer and die? Yeah. Also the wind? It was a residual. It was kind of a continuous... Yeah, we don't count that.

Well, they should. I think they should. And the genetic issues that came from, and all the infertility problems and all the sort of stuff that comes. Anyway, not to dive into that. One interesting thing I read the other day about nuclear fallout and catching flakes on your tongue is during the first American test, the first American outdoor nuclear test,

This was on Reddit the other day. There's a photograph of like 10 models or something that went for a swim in a nearby river. Well, they were about 15 miles away from the test site or something like that. Only 15 miles away? No, regular people, women. Not model, like model figurines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they were normal living people and they were bathing in this river. And they said...

They heard a massive noise. They were knocked to their feet and they didn't know what it was. They got up and then eventually it started snowing. And they said that they would try and catch the flakes, but instead of being like cold snow, it would be like warm, fuzzy stuff. And then they later found out, obviously, that that was the first nuclear test that ever happened outside or in the air. Snowing in July. Yeah, exactly. Well, sometime around then. And they hadn't been told.

And like seven out of eight of them died before they were 30. So like, yeah, yeah. The whole nuclear fallout thing is a real crapshoot. It's not going to be as cool as the fallout game franchise then. Well, I suppose they're very different things because the games are quite fun to play. It kind of makes a novelty out of... But they are also not... Yeah, it makes a novelty out of... I can make a scrap little like hot shell out of the thing and then have like... I suppose it's one of those things where like because it's...

Pretty much, I mean, if there's any kind of nuclear war, like, everything's dead. Everything goes. So, like, you may as well make light of it. No, everything's cool and mutated, like ghouls and, like, bovines with two cow heads. That's how Fallout's going to happen, right? Everyone just gets mutated into cool shit.

It's hard to know how much... I don't think you'll get the two bovine-headed... I think positive mutation is pretty low down the list of things that would happen to millions and millions of people. I mean, once in a while you might get something that changes. Because there's different ways that you evolve, right? There's selection pressure. There's mutation, just like random mutation or rather environmental effects on your DNA. Or willing it. Or willing it, yeah. Or, of course, subjecting a person to so much...

threat and danger that their power manifests in that moment yeah exactly yeah but no by and large i think radiation doesn't do positive things it just destroys you at a cellular level have you been through a fallout i'm sorry the game or the no have you been right no i don't think no one has well some people have hopefully not some people have but obviously those were smaller bombs

All right. Although they were big. So far, no one's turned into cool mutant things. They've just kind of died. Not as far as we're aware, although I'm almost certain there's some super soldiers out there somewhere. Cell mutation, sure, but in a negative sense, yeah. And super soldiers that have been gene edited using CRISPR. Like Deadpool. Yeah. It wasn't CRISPR. They just put him in an oven for a bit. Yeah, they did that thing. Spider-Man was a radioactive spider.

We're really mixing ideas and realities here, aren't we? Yeah, that's the problem. It's the reality mixing. It's going from a place of fact to a place of fiction without any... Rapidly. Rapidly ping-ponging back and forth. But then we're used to that, aren't we, here? There's no survival plan for a nuclear war. There's nothing set in place. Where? In the world or in specific nations? Well, specifically for America. Because the UK has a lot of bunkers.

Yeah, they might have bunkers, but there's no plan to save the populace. It's basically you save the people at the top and then hope to rebuild whatever's left over afterwards, if possible. Right. There's no like... And also you can't just shoot those fuckers out of the sky. They're all really fast. I think probably the best thing to do is put it in the hands of a megacorporation that owns...

bunkers just around the globe and then they can figure out different ways to reproduce and bring new life but just in very radically different ways do you think you should be part of the breeding block definitely yeah yes if you wanted to succeed put the hyper virile let's try in there

Everyone's going to be reproducing. But so many people will look like you. Do you think it would be strange that like... Downside. When, you know, aliens do eventually turn up to the planet after this and go like, how are you all doing? And you all come out the bunker. It's just Chris Trott after Chris Trott. Hello, hello, hello. Hi, hi, hi. We don't know how to distinguish each other, so we just speak as we. Yeah, the whole like chain of brothers, sons. It's got real messy. That's got messy. So we're just all on equal footing here. It's a totally flat family tree.

It's very flat. I don't know who started this. Was it you? Yeah, I was proud of Breeding Vault B. Breeding Vault. So I actually have a positive take on the whole nuclear Armageddon thing. That's quite a niche, isn't it? I hope so. I hope that it's instantaneous and you don't live on radiation poisoning. So a couple of things, right? Is that like, if...

Anything like that ever... If somebody does launch a nuclear weapon... You don't even know about it. You're not even going to know about it. We're all fucking... Everybody on the planet is dead. Every... Like, not because one nuclear weapon could destroy one person, but because of the multiple fucking nations that have them would all simultaneously launch at each other. So it's all gone. Don't feel so bad. There's nobody left. There's nobody to look after. There's nothing here. We got to the sort of... The end of the sun. Is this your optimistic team? Yeah, yeah, partly. Because...

But the other part of it is, because the ending is so absolute and so final... No one's missing that. Yeah, kind of. And then there's no reason to worry about it. It's like reading a book and worrying about it ending. Like, you know, you read the book for the middle. You read the book for the story. When the words end... It's about the journey, yeah. Yeah, kind of. I mean, I'm trying not to go, it's about the journey, not the destination, because like...

Yeah, but the destination is inevitably death. Exactly. Like you said, because you should be just enjoying... Always has been, though. Trying to enjoy the way, the path forwards is a good thing. Death is always the answer. I mean, not the answer, the ending. It's always the ending. Always has been for humanity. In a way, existing through some of the things that terrible leaders could do is worse than dying in a nuclear fallout. Yeah, living in societal collapse probably sucks. There are elements of that. Do you think there are small, like, kind of...

tiny little island somewhere that would survive if they didn't get hit. Not really. No, because nuclear winds would eventually just bring it all over. Yeah, nuclear winds would engulf the planet and everything would die. The winds would bring that radiation across. What about Atlantis?

Well, if it's underwater... Oh, if you're underwater, you'll be fine. Oh, yeah, you'll be right. They radiate the water, though. Water is pretty good at insulating against radiation, I think. That's why they put nuclear reactors... One would assume the real Atlantis that's underwater right now would be in domes anyway. It's already in domes. One would assume... No, because that would presume that for some reason a civilization that chooses to live at the bottom of the ocean requires air.

No, no, just protective domes from like currents and tides and things like that. Right, made of what? Debris and fish. Coral? Yeah, it's entirely coral. The strongest known substance, coral.

So sometimes death is better. Yeah, that is the positive take. It's the most unifying thing humanity could do. It's like we all die at the same time. Yeah. It's just, I guess, the frustrating part is that you have no control over who does that. Oh, yeah, of course. Crazy despot. Yeah. Who's just like, fuck it. I'm going to die anyway. Fire the nukes. But in a way, that despot is a result of all the inputs that led up to that point, right? So like...

If a populist doesn't take out a despot, like, then that's just what's going to happen, isn't it? It's almost like, you know, like, it's like if a guy with a gun is aiming at you and you and 10 other people have guns and the 10 of you decide not to shoot at the guy that's going to say, I'm going to shoot at you, you've kind of decided to let that guy shoot at you, haven't you? Like, I mean, like, obviously there's different levels of exposure and danger, but like, huh? Like a...

Like, if they did assassinate Putin, then suddenly everything goes. Quite possibly. Possibly. Yeah. That'd be crazy, wouldn't it? Yeah, that would be crazy. He should tell people that. That would protect his life. That's true. Yeah. Speaking of assassinations. Speaking of assassinations. Are you a CEO? Are you worried? There's a new job posting open if you're interested. There is a new job post. Well, I think they've filled it already immediately, didn't they? Did they? Yeah.

I think they looked into it, even though it's been like two days. So that was a health insurance company. The healthcare operator. What's the name? United. Oh, I've got the United Health. United Health.

The CEO was assassinated on the streets by some sort of... With a silenced pistol. The person knew what they were doing, engraved words on their bullets as a message and annihilated this person. And a job posting went up like an hour later. That's crazy, isn't it? That was quick work. They were like, oh, fuck, the CEO didn't turn up. He's got police shot outside.

Right. Who wants to do the job? I don't think you would want to raise your hands straight away, would you? If people are starting to execute health company officials. I mean, well, I mean, even if there's multiple top people at that company, aren't there? I don't think you need to be the CEO to feel like you're under threat. No, probably not. What's blowing my mind about this is the unifying hatred of

for the person that died and it's like well good riddance which i'm not saying is a

Wow. It's difficult. Someone died, got assassinated. However, there's so much vitriol for the health insurance scam, essentially, where lots of people have died as a result of them being denied healthcare and insurance. So a lot of that hatred is pinned on this person that made the executive decisions to deny people healthcare, right? Now that he's dead, so many Americans are coming out saying,

fuck yeah well yeah it's highlighted how ugly that system is yeah and how like yeah like when it obviously makes me feel appreciative of what we've got that we don't have to worry about private health care and stuff in this country we don't have to go oh do I call an ambulance or do I die here I don't know can I afford it it's not a question you should be asking when you're talking about health the question you will be asking is how long would that ambulance take to turn up this is the question and sure there are flaws in it and we can slag it off but I'm not paying you know 100 grand to you know

help my wife give birth. You know what I mean? Stuff like that. And yeah, you can see why they might turn against the guys at the top. I don't think the NHS is going to last another decade. Do you reckon? I really don't. I think that we're all going to be moving to private house care. Maybe the planet won't either. Yeah, maybe not. That's kind of why I'm looking forward to it.

Fucking hell. Well, that'll be very worrying for us, yeah. Because, I mean, what's weird is, like, everyone's, yeah, uniting against this idea and kind of celebrating this guy's death. But, like, they also won't vote for somebody who will actually help that cause. Yeah. So it's just like, well... Hey there, Ryan Reynolds here. It's a new year, and you know what that means. No, not the diet. Resolutions. Resolutions.

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what can you do you're not choosing to go for it they're all calling it random names like obamacare and whatever medicare and confusing people when in actual health like it's just trying to help you yeah i mean charge you silly amounts will put you into crippling debt just so you can survive or yeah attach a certain finger to choose yeah no it doesn't surprise me what what it god i'm so conflicted about my opinions on this and what it actually means because like

You've got to remember your perceptions and your desire for things are shaped like only in a matter of years, you can change your belief in things. For example, I was always against the death penalty for a long, long time because I always felt that... I'll tell you what's changed. Living in a city...

And talking to police. Oh, right. Like talking to social healthcare workers, things like that. Like, I don't know what the answer is to a person who has committed 50 plus offenses, spends two thirds of the year in prison and a third out of it, costs the country 60 grand a year to put them in prison. And we don't have the, and the social infrastructure required. The problem is when you come to people who are like,

Let's call them chronically criminal, chronically addicted, whatever you want to call it. People who have a really shit life and are living a shit life because of what happened to them and what they continue to have to do and what they have done, etc, etc. I'm not necessarily laying blame at that person's feet. What I'm asking is how do you create functioning societies where...

where we cannot afford to establish the massive social welfare that's required to save a person like that. You know, things like trying to create a family, the social structure that supports them, giving them a reason to try harder, giving them opportunities, you know. All these people, they don't have any of those opportunities. These people do not have strong family structures around them, strong friendship structures around them. They're fucked. They are just non-functioning members of society.

I don't know what the answer for that is. And these people are mugging people. Sure, those people exist, but there's also so many cases as well of people who've just been fucked over by the justice system, didn't do those things. And if they got sentenced to that, that would be fucked. Absolutely. Then obviously, if power went into the wrong hands, that could be abused to high hell. So it's like... But let's say, what if it was 50 repeat crimes? I'm not just talking about execute people for their first, second, third crime.

No, I know, but I'm talking about a massive examination. It's a slippery slope opening that door, isn't it? It is, but what I'm saying is it's important to not establish it as a slope. If you establish ground rules, as in things like, I mean, America did the three strikes rule, which is bad. What's that? So the three strikes rule was basically if you committed three crimes, regardless of their jail time, you would then get a mandatory jail sentence after the third crime. So let's say, for example, the three crimes you commit were shoplifting because you need to shoplift people

baby formula. Sure. The third time you do that, you get sent to prison for four or five years, right? And that was an attempt to try and do this, to try and intervene. But it's fucking terrible. So regardless of the actual crime? So regardless of the crime it was? Yes.

oh yeah so so this this would be like a more complicated um much more complicated take on that and again i'm not saying i'm necessarily what what the original point i was trying to say is like your views over the years can change quite dramatically and when we were talking about um initially started talking about um people celebrating the death of this person all right right and being like yes fantastic i think my initial reaction was like yeah

fuck you you know as in like as in fuck that guy fuck finally somebody who stood up and done this stuff because this person's but then obviously it's more of a it's more of a statement on corporate greed over the health of a population and he's he's a statement of that right that's why it's like they're intertwined though in that situation well sure yeah in this situation but like this is a metaphor for all of those companies and those guys

Basically stopping certain people from having healthcare over others for very specific reasons, some pointless reasons, etc. And yeah, you can see people who have been affected by that, which is quite a lot clearly by the reaction.

are celebrating it but they wouldn't probably wish someone to die but the fact they have and they're like oh i'm not sad about it okay so now let's talk about when again what i'm talking about here is a shift in perceptions a shift in the way people um express themselves the way that the things that they are happy happening within their society another element of this is is russia okay so it's the war in russia none of us want world war three

But something that I've seen over the last couple of years is an increasing want by citizens, within the UK at least, for people to do more about Russia, to give Ukraine more weapons, to strike deeper for the French, Germans, Danish, all the people that are involved, to do more and more and more to finally put Putin in his place, etc., etc. And what that is, is it's a societal step towards...

a desire for war, right? So in a lot of games, like a lot of RTS games, Civ games, things like that, there are games, there's a thing called, I'm trying to remember what they call it. It's about how much your population wants war. They call it, I think, war fatigue or something like that. A lot of people call it. War favor. So it's about, and this is a real thing. This is a measurable thing. It's about how much your population will back war

the desire for the country to suffer, for people to die, for the economy to be geared into war manufacturing, all these sort of things, right? And you have to prepare your population psychologically for them to be up for that, to support that, right? And so if you think about how all of these opinions and all of these mindsets are slightly changing, becoming more violent, perhaps, more in favor of certain elements, it's all a reflection. And myself, I've been influenced by it, and I'm sure everybody else is as well. And you've kind of just got to like,

you've got to step back and go like well five years why did we think like that and what's changed you know like and i i don't know i just think it's interesting um kind of scary because sometimes i find my thing self-thinking these ways i'm like you know the mentality of if you know because there's this constant threat and this constant this you know person constantly bringing up nuclear weapons etc and war and starting a war in a country that you know wasn't asking for at the time um

Yeah, it's just, I guess you will be like, well, fuck that guy. Yeah. But at the same time, I don't really want to go to war or to accelerate things as far as you basically want to stop. And then you want Ukraine to keep their country and not have to give anything into it. Because obviously, the more you give into them, he knows he can then take that further.

Which is the other risk of like, yeah, not taking all your weapons out and stopping that fight. You're basically just helping them kind of hold that wall so that they don't go further towards us as well. Which I guess is what they're really trying to stop. In part, yeah. It's done out of selfish need. We don't want them to come this way. Also, the trickle of supply to Ukraine is a way to bleed our enemy, to make them weaker. What do you think, Trot? I'm just... Organizing your thoughts? Not even there.

even like putting a coin into this debate is so out of my depth of knowledge that I don't want to misstep or say anything that's misconstrued I just don't think I've got

a horse in this race, so to speak, to give a valid or useful or meaningful or productive response. To what? To any of it. Even the CEO thing? Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's gut reactions and things like that. And I think it's important, like you say, to take a step back every now and again. It's like, am I being influenced by the zeitgeist of what's going on in my country and the media I'm consuming, et cetera, et cetera? But at the same time, like...

I'm also part of it by engaging with it right now. People are listening to us talk about it. There's an influence there. So I feel like I'm trying to be more conscious about that rather than just speaking of my mind unfiltered as I usually do. So yeah, I think it's,

It's a lot. It's a big fucking subject. Talk about the death of a CEO and insurance scams and the war on Ukraine. You started the death of the CEO thing. Yeah, I said, talk about assassinations. I started in like a speaking of assassinations in a light-hearted tone so we can make a joke of it and move on. But instead we've gone hardcore. But no, it's surprising the reaction, isn't it? Just because obviously, well, we don't really have the same relation to healthcare insurance companies as America does.

So we don't, that's not something we would sell. If some, you know, the head of NHS suddenly got shot dead, we'd be like, well, the fuck? Yeah. That's fucked up. Yeah. Whereas they're like, these greedy bastards have rinsed our families. We've, we're completely indebted because of these companies. They denied my grandfather care. My dad's dead because of this guy. You would feel,

personal anger we don't feel that because it hasn't affected us directly no but you know you take these anecdotes and in those scenarios i then compared it to the nhs and i've recently seen how good the nhs is and how grateful i am that we have something like that in place so like oh yeah fuck having to deal with like a company that would be like yeah you you didn't tick this box so therefore you're not we're not going to give your dad care

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so go fuck yourself that'll be so shit what's annoying about humanity is that it often requires some level of personal attachment to a thing in order to care about it yeah you have to be because like most people it takes a willingness to expose oneself to criticism and danger as well which is exactly what this person has done yeah the vast majority like loads and loads of people have probably lost loved ones in america because of this sort of shit people getting denied i wasn't talking about

that I was just talking about like the care of the NHS saying like it's shit and like the wait times the ambulance times etc etc until something personal happens to an individual and the NHS saves a life and all of a sudden like I actually want to make sure NHS survives instead of just falling into this fatalistic nihilistic like yeah NHS is going away and it's being sold and

but I haven't had anything affect me about it. I can afford private healthcare, et cetera, et cetera. That's what I was, I wasn't like relating to the American CEO. But you're right, like it does take sometimes a personal thing that you're like, oh shit, like it does. Because obviously we consume media where there are people who are like, oh yeah, we should get rid of the NHS, get rid of all these. And it's like, I never really understand that viewpoint personally because it's only really ever been a benefit. Yeah, there is flaws in these things. Yes, they're expensive. Yes, we pay for it like, you know, out of, you know, our,

our taxes and stuff but like i could never imagine going the other way which is what we're seeing an example of where the individuals lumped with an insurance yeah even then like even if you pay your premiums and stuff there's still a chance you'll get denied yeah that's what's fucked up about the whole situation and yeah okay yeah like i you know i don't wish death upon this guy i don't know who this guy is um but that's it was it's more of the metaphor of that specific symbol he's become a symbol of yeah he's that corporate greed everyone took him down and everyone's celebrating this kind of

Everyone that had a loved one or themselves failed by this insurance company, that person is the symbol, like you say. But I wonder if it's going to cause copycat things. I wonder if suddenly all CEOs are going to suddenly start going, oh shit, this imbalance of uber rich versus the ever-growing poorer people.

this type of thing will be celebrated by people who are like fuck that greedy cunt a lot of people are hoping that this is like the end of the capitalism and this is the start of a snowball of like eat the rich kind of situation but I think that's more this is an outlier case where one person has taken that step

And beyond that, I don't see it snowballing into a let's kill all the CEOs that have ever done a dirty kind of thing. But yeah, obviously it's been an issue because, well, as in like it's a fear for CEOs. I mean, like you said, there was a report Mark Zuckerberg like pays like 23 million a year just on his own personal security because, you know, he's a wealthy individual. He's a high...

figure like this guy but this other guy wasn't famous like he wasn't yeah visibly known like never heard of this Brian Thompson guy until yesterday and obviously well we wouldn't have heard of him anyway because he's not part of our you know zeitgeist in our world so yeah like you can see why these other people will now start protecting themselves because like you gotta wonder how much Elon Musk must pay

for security every year yeah they turn up at these rallies yeah that's crazy and also just it's nothing to them as well it's like you have to be 40 million on uh on security and i sneezed i dropped that down the toilet last week yeah yeah whatever so yeah they should i mean it's surprising that that guy was actually walking on his own as well to be honest with you considering he was probably pretty fucking wealthy but yeah no it's um it's interesting i think i don't i think i agree i don't i think that i imagine lots of senior people

in similar positions, will step up their security. And I think that, unfortunately, it may be another step towards

Disparity. A corpo feudalistic future. Yeah. Basically where... We can't trust the regular populace, so we're going to... Yeah. So we're going to put the walls up. It's what happens when you have too much poverty and too much division of wealth. If you look at any... I mean, the West, we're pretty much just coming into that now. I mean, of course, there's been a lot of poverty in the West for a long time, but if you look at other places in the world...

africa for example where you know western countries have come in and tried to coexist in africa um and they've just had to put up gated communities massive walls guards everywhere even you know in in in modern africa um i don't see how we're not going to end up that way uh in that where if if wealth division and um and poverty uh increases um

it's just they're just gonna have to do that you know if you go to canary wharf in london i was there recently for comic-con i stayed there and i wandered around in the evening just to take some photos of like the millennium dome and shit like that across the river i could not go over how many private security around those flats canary wharf has got a couple of hotels in it but it's also well i mean there's a huge financial district but i was in an area that had a load of flats really really really expensive high-end flats two bed flats like 700 grand probably more um yeah and um

There was about 15 private security on my 20-minute walk. There was a guy with a dog doing patrols constantly with an attack dog. Because if they don't, I ask them, why are there so many security around here?

here and he's just like well you know look the local kids will just come by and just start doing windows and like breaking into cars and they're just like we just don't want that kind of stuff around here poverty patrol yeah it's poverty it's literally poverty patrol because they know that all the people around there have so much wealth there's a good chance there might be an ipad in the back of the car or something like that and they're angry and poor and the wealth is on their fucking doorstep yeah

like just bravado yeah so it's creating this disparity so it's like we'll get bigger dogs more security more aggression and i think that's just going to keep happening unfortunately i'd like to think that this would be some form of change but i well it's not as excellent what was that guy who bought that wu-tang album that was only there was one made the guy who literally raised the price of like um insulin

because they bought his company bought the like the patent or something then didn't he go to prison he's disappeared now he went to prison or something for a bit but like the the hatred that flowed towards this guy online was crazy like everyone just suddenly hated this guy and obviously his reasoning for it was because um in Skreli yeah Skreli yeah

Because he his reason was oh well this doesn't affect the like the consumer this affects insurance companies so they can raise the price and then fuck over insurance companies but surely that eventually trickles down to the person who's paying for that insurance. So like it's still fucking someone over for medicine which it's going to be a sore spot for anyone but like you know shit like that happened shit like this happened and they replaced the CEO the next day it's like

nothing ever happens. So like, yeah, how much of that it does really matter. But yeah, you can see why all it does is reinforce the people that have the money to make a difference. Yeah. Like the, the people that are impoverished or scams by insurance companies don't exactly have a thing they can do other than radicalize and have people shoot people. Um, whereas the, the billionaires can just put up more walls and afford that. So yeah, they're, they've got the upper hand, so to speak. As long as the status quo doesn't fully crumble.

You've got to maintain a bit of the status quo so all the systems still function and people care. I wonder how much of their echo chamber or whatever their kind of circle, do they even think about that kind of thing happening? Until like it does. And then like, oh shit, like fuck, we should probably watch out. Next time we walk across the road. I've got a bit of a theory about this. So really rich people are international people, right? They don't necessarily call one country their home. And I think people who travel a shitload

For us, right, we've grown up and lived and, you know, we've holidayed a fair bit. We've had very lucky to have traveled quite a lot, thanks to films and you guys. And we still have lived, you know, all of our life in England. I think we see the world as we'd like everybody...

We understand that everybody could have a shot. And especially looking at things like the welfare state, we like the idea that we could at least look after everybody, that nobody's ever going to be like truly fucked in our society. You know, like we can help them out, right? I think people like Elon Musk and other people like that who are very, very rich, they travel around the world a lot and they see places like India. They see places like Africa, South Africa, for example, where Elon Musk is from.

And there it's much less normal to have everybody okay. There it's much more normal to have rich enclaves and places you don't go. And that's just normal for them. And they're like, well, yeah, I live in the nicest part of San Francisco. I live in the nicest part of California. I live in these, like with all these other people who have similar success to me. And you get that enclave experience, right? And I'm not saying just them. I mean, there's a lot of,

liberal elites who are often criticized as well in the U.S. for being the same problem. It's partly why the Democrats lost the election in the U.S. is, you know, this idea that they're also rich elites that really live in their own bubble. And I just think that they don't worry about this idea of having to put the walls up, having to put the security up, because...

They do that in like half of the rest of the world. They just don't have to currently have to do it in the countries that we live in. But you're going to have to eventually. I think that's kind of part of it. Like, I think that's why they don't worry as much. They don't see it so dystopic because... But in this scenario, it's like money over morals, right? That's, I guess, some of the crux of it is like, this guy's happy to cut off shitloads of healthcare because he's going to get a bonus and a raise and all this other stuff. And everyone fucking hates that. I mean, once people get to the top, you fucking hate them. Let's be honest. People would rather see someone

I'm just trying to think of the human in amongst that that got to that point. It's like, what is driving those decisions? They can't just be

psychotic right no no it'll be it's investor pressure something like that it'll be like the circle of friends they're in when they're in school circle of people they grow up with people who they work with and obviously when they excel they're surrounded by people who are bigging them up like they're not highlighting saying oh mate you should probably feel immoral for cancer they're saying oh mate you just got an X amount percentage increase this year

here's a raise you've done great they're being rewarded for doing these things I think it's also so I don't know if they're putting that necessarily at the forefront and obviously because they're dealing with mass numbers it's like you know a dictator like they're dealing with they're talking about killing millions but they don't give a fuck because they're not talking about an individual emotional point it's like when you kill millions that's just an arbitrary number you can't even visualize that

So it's like maybe it's just getting lost in that. It's probably getting lost, but I reckon there's also a negative pressure as well. Not just like, well done, you've increased shares. It's like, if you don't increase shares or like profits for our investors, they're going to come for you and your job is lost or whatever, you know, I reckon. Well, yeah, but it's just climbing the ladder, isn't it? I'm not saying, I'm not,

excusing any of it I'm just trying to think of the human that's there why are they making these it can't all just be like that's great because I've got more money there's got to be more nuance to it but at the end of the day that is the motivation they're climbing the ladder they're probably getting more power more respect from their peers and that's making their life better

whilst making other people's work. It's just a shit system for humans. Billionaires have to shit on people to get to where they are. And that's just the reality of it. You've got to also think about what are the things that stop you doing some of the things that others do that you think are bad. It's about where those... Where did your morals come from? Exactly. And when you look at specifically rich people, a lot of them...

Because of the structure of their lives, it's actually quite difficult to be a good parent. It's quite difficult to receive good parenting. You know, if you use private boarding institutions, if you're... You know, people whose parents are very, very rich usually just working constantly. You know, like it's... So I imagine they don't get that early moral kind of like, is that a good idea to do that? You know, is that... Should you be doing this? There's no like...

I guess your moral compass is then pointed towards that person who is working all the time. That's your perception of what life should be. Yeah, exactly. Potentially. Obviously, the psychology behind it, which I'm not a fucking psychologist. There's a little disenfranchised by our upbringing because...

the generation before us was taught if you just get into a good stable job you'll have a nice stable job for the rest of your life and all these promises of like if you just keep working hard you'll keep getting promoted and you're going to earn a great life a perfect meritocracy the perfect meritocracy that is not awarded to the people that are rich turns out the truth is very much not that at all and we all kind of feel like we're shafted and we're disenfranchised with the society that's

promised us all these things if we just work hard we'll get more um but yeah i think maybe that's causing a lot of tension it's causing a huge amount of problem i mean it is fundamentally i think one of the core causes of of tension as you put it like 100 the idea that the reward loop of trying of working of giving yourself purpose and and putting in effort is broken like

What's the point? And then you get told, like, you know, the reason that house prices and everything are going up and state pensions and the spending of the generation above you and how they collapsed the housing market. It's like, great. Thank you. You've fucked everything. And then you're also trying to eat your cake as well. Yeah. It's just, it makes you jaded. And politicians lacking the ability to...

implement any kind of rental laws or limitation of people speculating on property. I mean, it's in part our parents' fault and the generations before us, but the problem, and I've always heard it described like this, and I think it's true, one of the very few ways for people to make any real money in the last 30, 40 years was speculating on property. Everything else was hard. Everything else was limited by your education. Everything else was limited by your location. So that's why they did it.

Unfortunately, the problem is people didn't stop at one or two or three. They got greedy. It kept working for them. It kept working. And they'd get more and more wealthy. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, naively they were like, you just do this as well, son, daughter. And I've just got a great leg up for you, so carry this on. Yeah. Yeah.

but it doesn't work like that. It turns out the housing market inflates so much that no one can afford it. But it's been sold to people as that's a business. Yeah. So then it's like... Get a portfolio. It's a legitimate business, but then you are dealing with also just the fact that there is a housing crisis. They're not building houses fast enough. People are now having to wait until their parents die to move out of their house and actually buy a place. So that side of things takes that...

business element that makes it a moral question as well, right? Like if you own like 20 flats and you're just, you know, maybe that is your business but like at the same time it's like, I don't know, it's a muddy area because it's

It's a bit of an issue when it comes to when you hike your prices and you want to earn your cut out of it, right? Yeah, yeah. So therefore you can't reduce the prices to make it affordable for someone. Yeah. But you're right, it should be something that the governmental level of like making sure it's viable for people. Which is why Hat Films, I think this is a nice lead in. We're introducing cardboard houses. Hat Films cardboard houses. Oh, wow. Coming up really soon. What we're going to do is take recycled cardboard and just start putting boxes out in places and

and we're going to make them really, really cheap and affordable. And you can live in them whenever you want. Yeah. You just need to make sure you subscribe. That's literally it. Just subscribe. And we'll just cover the land in Carvel Homes. That film's Carvel City. I've got a fun, lighthearted little story about this, actually, if you want to just segue into that as well. Sure. You know the big boxes that TVs come in? Yeah. They're like the biggest boxes I can think

of yeah thin though yeah well they weren't used to me did they yeah so my parents got when I don't know about 2001 probably no before that I don't know around that time no but late 90s they got a TV a plasma TV wow that was big news in the late 90s and can't tell them forward too much

No, why is that? Because it bleeds out the cells. Oh, Jesus. Because when I went to Curry's, someone tilted too far and this huge pink line came down. And so they were always told, be careful if you lean too far. I don't think it was always a risk, but it's just if it got knocked, you'd start seeing bleeding. Oh, God. So plasma was a risk. But yeah, it came in this giant box and me as like a 10-year-old or whatever I was back then, I was like,

it's an instant tent. Yeah. Because it was like, you could make it into like a little pyramid or like a little triangle. Little clamps. Yeah. So you'd like fold it out like that and I'd pitch the top and I took it out into the garden in like, I don't know, November. Got in it. Nice and wet then. Yeah.

It wasn't wet that night. Took it out, put like a blanket down, put like this box over the top of me. - Fucking freezing. - And I was like, yay. And then what I did is I like flopped some more blankets around one end and the other end. And then I just stayed in there for a couple of hours. And then I just started to sweat.

And it got so hot. You'd never believe. Because it was like triple wall cardboard with zero breathability. It was all like coated. And yeah, it turns out really warm. But they don't breathe at all. The thing got like, the inside started getting all damp from where I was perspiring. And then in the morning, I got up and it just like bent.

in like this or all of it got so we're going to need some T's and C's with our weather there's no weatherproofing yeah punch a hole in it as well just to get that humidity out get a few air holes in there also you're kind of like a pet in that I know the TV wasn't for you as a gift

but the pen always prefers the fucking box instead of the really expensive TV that it came in yeah totally especially at the time when I was younger oh yeah I'll take the box please yeah yeah yeah fuck yeah all my cartoons are in standard definition anyway it doesn't matter yeah that's true

But yeah, no, great times in cardboard boxes. You can buy cardboard tents as well. I have seen them. They last like... They were designed for festivals. The way that people waste tents at festivals is kind of crazy. I mean, yeah, at least you can recycle it or it's mulch. Well, yeah, you just go straight into the recycling after. So it's like they last about three or four days. But if it's heavy rain... It won't last that long. No.

Either way. Those things are so cheap you can just buy them and throw them away. Get one from Asda. Amazon and Asda and whatever. Asda, yeah. Spin bag it. So, yeah. Well.

This has been a really intense hat chat. We're not CEOs. Don't come after us. We're not CEOs. We're kind of... We don't really have that structure. We're kind of three palms. We're not in charge of other people's healthcare. No. Which I think is the main crux of that. I think taking one of us out would ruin hat films. It'd be pretty devastating. Even if they took out Craig. Sorry, Craig. What do they need? Rob Craig's bullet? Yeah, killing Craig. What are you writing on the bullet casing? If you're taking out Craig, what are you writing?

Just eat shit. That last thumbnail wasn't great. This is why you did it. We're not CEOs. We're not billionaires. I reckon we give it at least a week before we put up a job listing of Craig's position. Yeah. What, to not make it... Week and a half? Week and a half? Maybe two weeks? Three.

just not too sus he's here he's listening to us he can hear everything um i can hear everything yeah and also obviously we have to bury thomas with craig don't we we do unfortunately i don't think he realized that was in his contract at the time thomas will be buried with him sorry there's an egyptian pharaoh cause but we can't kill thomas he has to just lay with him yeah it's a labor until he dies

How fucked must that have been? That is so fucked. Can we just... Sorry, that was a thing. So occasionally, they'd be buried with living servants and living animals. Cats. Cats.

In the dark. The cats would eat the body. Surely they couldn't get through the, well, in some cases they couldn't get through the fucking. Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, probably the cats might end up eating the servants that would die. But like, yeah, they would get sent to the afterlife with all of the stuff they needed. Just imagine being in a dark house. So you're inside. A cat's going to live for a while if it's eating a human, man. And the lights have gone out because the oil they left you to burn has gone out. So now you're in the dark with three hungry cats. Yeah.

And a dead body. And a dead body. Oh, my God. And riches. We're going to do a wildest dream. And riches. That you could never take out. Horrifying.

What a horrible way to go. I'd really try and create a really wacky scene for the grave robbers to find in 2000 years time. What is this? What is this body pointing to? Yeah, yeah. Why did he eat all the gold? Why did he eat the cats? I had to eat them before they ate me. Oh my God. It says that in blood on the floor that you scrawled out. Yeah, it's pretty much like they would eat the cats, right? Yeah.

That's our plan. We've had that in writing. If Craig were to ever be assassinated, Thomas is being buried with him. That's a Craig request as well. He asked for that. A true editor's death.

It's in my will. It's in his will. Interestingly, our views or our listens on podcasts have been super stable for like ages now. And I wonder at what point people will stop listening because they're too scared. What's been stable? Our listens on our podcast. I'm just thinking that obviously this was quite a dark one, this podcast. Less jokey. No bananas. Although there was a slight banana story about that guy eating the banana that he spent like a $6 million on.

yeah that's because you can replace it so that's not really it's a non-story it is a non-story story it's just it's a weird one isn't it it's a little bit pointless yeah imagine six million going to anything else what it could do like the jingle jam well yeah exactly yeah exactly that's mostly people's issues with these things it's like yeah money could be going to more worthwhile causes than a banana taped to a wall like green light

I knew HatFilm's venture. Yeah. Your money can go towards fantastic projects. We can make a Marvel epic for six minutes. Well, you couldn't make them up. There's 200 million. If you're a Patreon member who supports this, or if you're a Twitch subscriber or a YouTube member, you can go into our Discord and then link that to HatFilm's Greenlight, and you get to vote on upcoming projects. Yeah, you're already subscribed, so you already get a vote.

per month on projects that we're going to make. And once they get all their votes to 100%, they go into production. But we're going to talk about that a little bit more. If you would like to check it out, there will be a live stream VOD on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash hatfilms, where we discuss Greenlight at length and answer some questions about it and stuff. But until then... Do prime subs count?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They do have a subscription of some kind, Twitch, YouTube, patron at all. You get a vote. Yeah. We've tried to imagine. I've got a link into your discord. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, we'll talk about that a lot more in outside of this podcast. So come, come check out our YouTube channel on hat films and until then have a great week.

Don't worry about the nukes. It's literally pointless to worry about. Because, yeah, you won't even know it's going to happen. And when it happens, you won't even know it happened. So don't worry about it. Enjoy every day, exactly. Try and find joy in everything you do. I'm increasing my nap lengths so that I don't have to stay awake. That seems kind of crazy. That's a madman narrative. Sleep the day. I try to sleep as much as possible so I don't have to live much. The cat tactic.

Anyway, see you all next week. Have a great one. Goodbye. Maybe we won't. We might. We might not. Might get nuked. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Got up my brain, got a dark red, and revving with this pain, it's incurable. Got no cream for this, only meds I've got, and a broken hand saw.

But I gotta fucking fake it. This remedy's just been a de-fake it. Cause you know that this rush is not a start. I ask for this rush, it's meant to be. In my head, it's the gun to me. Yeah. Cause I'm ready to move now. Things that might be fatal, but you just can't tell. Girls make me doubt. Those threats I need are medical. I'm trying to find my guy. I'm trying to make it sound like I'm doing it.

I hate it.