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A Feast for Baboons

2024/11/28
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Jad Abumrad
创始并主持广受赞誉的公众广播和播客节目《Radiolab》。
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Lulu Miller
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Robert Sapolsky
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Lulu Miller: 我认为黑猩猩的暴力行为并非人类固有的本性。通过观察黑猩猩群体行为变化,我们可以看到环境和社会因素对行为的影响。这个故事给了我希望,让我相信人类并非天生暴力,而是可以通过改变环境和社会文化来改变行为。 Jad Abumrad: 人类是否天生暴力是一个值得探讨的问题。我们可以通过研究其他灵长类动物的行为,例如狒狒,来寻找答案。Robert Sapolsky教授的研究为我们提供了宝贵的案例,让我们看到群体行为的改变并非一成不变,而是可以受到环境和社会因素的影响。 Robert Sapolsky: 我长期观察的一群狒狒,其原本具有攻击性的群体,在经历了疾病导致的群体结构变化后,其行为发生了显著的改变,变得更加温和。这表明,群体文化对行为的影响超过了基因本能。疾病的爆发导致了大部分雄性狒狒的死亡,这意外地改变了该群体的社会结构和行为模式。之后,新的雄性狒狒加入后,并没有改变原有的和平行为模式,这进一步证明了群体文化对行为的塑造作用。这种行为的改变是持久的,即使新的雄性狒狒不断加入,群体仍然保持着和平友好的行为模式。这让我对人类本性有了新的思考,这成为我科学研究生涯中最令人难忘的时刻之一。

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Why did Robert Sapolsky study baboons in East Africa?

Robert Sapolsky studied baboons in East Africa to understand the effects of stress on the body. Baboons are ideal subjects because they live in a highly stressful, hierarchical, and aggressive society, providing valuable data on stress-related behaviors and physiological responses.

What unexpected behavior did Sapolsky observe in the baboon troop after the tuberculosis outbreak?

After the tuberculosis outbreak, Sapolsky observed a significant increase in grooming behavior among the baboons, including adult males grooming each other—a rare occurrence in baboon societies. This marked a shift from their typically aggressive and hierarchical interactions.

How did the tuberculosis outbreak affect the baboon troop's social structure?

The tuberculosis outbreak decimated the baboon troop, particularly the alpha males who had been feeding at the garbage dump. This led to a dramatic change in the troop's social dynamics, with increased grooming and reduced aggression, even as new males joined the group.

What was Sapolsky's hypothesis about why the baboons' behavior changed so drastically?

Sapolsky hypothesized that the absence of aggressive alpha males allowed females to take social risks, such as grooming new males early on. This shift in female behavior created a more peaceful culture, which new males adopted, unlearning their aggressive tendencies.

How long did the baboon troop maintain its peaceful behavior after the tuberculosis outbreak?

The baboon troop maintained its peaceful behavior for over 20 years, even as new males joined the group. This demonstrated that the cultural shift away from aggression was long-lasting and not just a temporary anomaly.

What broader implications does Sapolsky's baboon study have for understanding human behavior?

Sapolsky's study suggests that aggressive behavior, often assumed to be innate, can be unlearned and replaced with more cooperative and peaceful interactions. This challenges the notion that violence is an inevitable part of human nature and highlights the role of culture in shaping behavior.

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The episode begins by questioning the inherent violence in human nature, introducing baboons as a case study. Their aggressive behavior is contrasted with a surprising shift towards gentleness observed in one troop.
  • Baboons are known for aggression and hierarchical social structures.
  • The question of inherent human violence is raised.
  • A contrast between baboon aggression and unexpected gentleness is introduced.

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We start this story off with a question. Are human beings innately violent? 

Then we head to East Africa with Stanford neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky), who spent his summers studying wild baboons there. Baboons are a textbook example of a hierarchical, male-dominated, and aggressive society. But one day, Sapolsky noticed that a troop of baboons became unexpectedly gentle. They deviated from the usual aggressiveness so characteristic of them and groomed each other. The key question was how do these guys unlearn their entire childhood culture of aggression, something supposedly built-in? Sapolsky tells us that tale — a moment he describes as one of the best science moments of his life. 

For more: Read Robert Sapolsky’s account) of his 21 years studying baboons in Kenya. 

Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is edited by Soren Wheeler. Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser are our co-hosts. Dylan Keefe is our director of sound design. Our staff includes: Simon Adler, Jeremy Bloom, Becca Bressler, W. Harry Fortuna, David Gebel, Maria Paz Gutiérrez, Sindhu Gnanasambandan, Matt Kielty, Annie McEwen, Alex Neason, Valentina Powers, Sarah Qari, Sarah Sandbach, Arianne Wack, Pat Walters and Molly Webster. Our fact-checkers are Diane Kelly, Emily Krieger and Natalie Middleton. Production help from Tanya Chawla. Sound mixing by Joe Plourde.

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