The cathedral hosted the St. Francis Day of the Animals, an annual event where people brought their animals—dogs, birds, hamsters, tortoises, and more—to be blessed. The event was filled with a diverse range of creatures, including a bull and a falcon.
Mick Menago and his team went out to sea after receiving a call about a humpback whale entangled in crab traps and ropes. They aimed to rescue the whale, which was struggling to breathe and move due to the heavy weight of the traps tied to its tail.
The humpback whale was in a C-shape, with its head at the surface and its tail pointing downward, weighed down by approximately 20 crab traps and 2,000 pounds of rope. The whale was laboring to breathe and had ropes wrapped around its mouth, head, eye, back, pectoral fins, and tail.
The divers used dive knives to cut through the ropes entangled around the whale. They worked for hours, carefully cutting the ropes near the whale's eye and tail. At one point, James Moskito had to stab the whale's tail to free the rope, which eventually released the traps and allowed the whale to swim free.
After being freed, the whale approached each diver individually, gently pushing them with its head and making eye contact. It spent about 30 seconds staring at each diver before moving on to the next, creating a profound and emotional moment for the rescuers.
The divers believed the whale was expressing gratitude. They felt the whale's intentional eye contact and gentle interactions were a way of saying thank you for freeing it from the ropes and traps.
Clive Wynne acknowledged the emotional impact of the moment but cautioned against interpreting the whale's behavior as gratitude. He emphasized that humans cannot definitively understand whale communication and suggested the whale might have been disoriented or simply curious.
Alexandra Horowitz's experiment showed that dogs display a 'guilty look' not because they feel guilt, but in response to their owner's scolding. Even dogs that had done nothing wrong exhibited the same submissive behavior when chastised, indicating the look is tied to the owner's reaction, not the dog's actions.
The story raises questions about the emotional and cognitive capacities of animals, particularly whether they experience emotions like gratitude, guilt, or grace, and how much humans and animals share in terms of emotionality.
We start off in a cathedral full of animals – hermit crabs, parrots, hamsters, dogs, cats and bunnies – being blessed. We then wonder, do the animals feel grace? What do we really know about what goes on inside an animal’s mind? Do they also experience gratitude, despair or anger? How much emotionality do humans and animals share? And can we measure it?
We get the story of a rescued whale that may have found a way to say thanks to its rescuers. And then we speak to behavioral scientist Clive Wynne), and head of the Dog Cognition Lab) at Barnard, Alexandra Horowitz), to decipher the whale’s behavior.
Guests in the episode include: Mick Menago, Tim Young, James Moskito, Holly Drewyard, Clive Wynne and Alexandra Horowitz.
For more: Read “Inside of a Dog)” by Alexandra Horowitz.
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