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Whale of a Rescue

2024/11/14
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Alexandra Horowitz
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Clive Wynne
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Holly Dreard
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James Moskito
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Mick Menego
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Jad Abumrad和Robert Krulwich:我们报道了在圣约翰大教堂举行的圣弗朗西斯动物节,人们带着他们的宠物来接受祝福。这引发了我们对动物是否具有与人类相同的情感体验,例如感激、内疚和恩典的思考。 我们还探讨了衡量动物情感的可能性。 Mick Menego:我接到一个电话,说一头鲸鱼被渔网缠住了,需要救援。我和我的潜水伙伴们一起出海,成功地解救了它。 在救援过程中,我们面临着巨大的挑战,因为能见度很差,而且鲸鱼非常庞大,渔网缠绕得很紧。 我们花了几个小时才成功地割断所有绳索,解救了鲸鱼。 Holly Dreard:在救援过程中,我感到非常紧张和担忧,因为我们不知道能不能成功地解救鲸鱼。 当我们最终看到鲸鱼时,它被大量的渔网缠绕着,几乎无法呼吸。 我们必须迅速行动,才能拯救它的生命。 James Moskito:在解救鲸鱼之后,它游到我们身边,注视着我们,似乎是在表达谢意。 这种经历非常令人感动,让我相信动物也具有复杂的情感。 鲸鱼的行为表明,它能够识别并感谢那些帮助过它的人。 Tim Young:我亲眼目睹了鲸鱼对我们表达感谢的行为,这让我感到非常震撼。 鲸鱼游到每个潜水员身边,注视着我们,似乎是在表达谢意。 这种经历让我相信,动物的情感比我们想象的要复杂得多。 Clive Wynne:虽然鲸鱼的行为令人感动,但我无法确定它是否真的在表达感谢,因为我无法理解鲸鱼的语言。 将鲸鱼的行为解读为“感谢”和将熊吃掉救它的人解读为“忘恩负义”一样,都是一种主观臆断。 我们需要更加谨慎地解读动物的行为,避免将人类的情感投射到动物身上。 Alexandra Horowitz:一项研究表明,人们认为狗表现出“内疚”的表情,实际上只是狗的顺从行为。 无论狗是否犯错,只要主人责备它,它都会表现出“内疚”的表情。 这表明,我们对动物情感的理解可能存在偏差,需要更加科学的研究方法。

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What was the unique event happening at St. John the Divine cathedral in Manhattan?

The cathedral hosted the St. Francis Day of the Animals, an annual event where people brought their animals—dogs, birds, hamsters, tortoises, and more—to be blessed. The event was filled with a diverse range of creatures, including a bull and a falcon.

Why did Mick Menago and his team venture out to sea in December?

Mick Menago and his team went out to sea after receiving a call about a humpback whale entangled in crab traps and ropes. They aimed to rescue the whale, which was struggling to breathe and move due to the heavy weight of the traps tied to its tail.

What was the condition of the humpback whale when the divers found it?

The humpback whale was in a C-shape, with its head at the surface and its tail pointing downward, weighed down by approximately 20 crab traps and 2,000 pounds of rope. The whale was laboring to breathe and had ropes wrapped around its mouth, head, eye, back, pectoral fins, and tail.

How did the divers free the humpback whale?

The divers used dive knives to cut through the ropes entangled around the whale. They worked for hours, carefully cutting the ropes near the whale's eye and tail. At one point, James Moskito had to stab the whale's tail to free the rope, which eventually released the traps and allowed the whale to swim free.

What unusual behavior did the whale exhibit after being freed?

After being freed, the whale approached each diver individually, gently pushing them with its head and making eye contact. It spent about 30 seconds staring at each diver before moving on to the next, creating a profound and emotional moment for the rescuers.

What did the divers interpret the whale's behavior to mean?

The divers believed the whale was expressing gratitude. They felt the whale's intentional eye contact and gentle interactions were a way of saying thank you for freeing it from the ropes and traps.

What did behavioral scientist Clive Wynne think about the whale's behavior?

Clive Wynne acknowledged the emotional impact of the moment but cautioned against interpreting the whale's behavior as gratitude. He emphasized that humans cannot definitively understand whale communication and suggested the whale might have been disoriented or simply curious.

What did Alexandra Horowitz's experiment reveal about dogs and guilt?

Alexandra Horowitz's experiment showed that dogs display a 'guilty look' not because they feel guilt, but in response to their owner's scolding. Even dogs that had done nothing wrong exhibited the same submissive behavior when chastised, indicating the look is tied to the owner's reaction, not the dog's actions.

What broader question does the story of the rescued whale raise?

The story raises questions about the emotional and cognitive capacities of animals, particularly whether they experience emotions like gratitude, guilt, or grace, and how much humans and animals share in terms of emotionality.

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The episode begins at a St. Francis Day of the Animals event in a Manhattan cathedral, where various animals are being blessed. This leads to a discussion about animal emotions: Can animals feel grace, gratitude, or guilt? The central question is how much emotionality humans and animals share, and whether we can measure it.
  • Animals are brought to a cathedral for a blessing.
  • The episode questions whether animals experience human-like emotions.
  • The possibility of measuring animal emotions is raised.

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We start off in a cathedral full of animals – hermit crabs, parrots, hamsters, dogs, cats and bunnies – being blessed. We then wonder, do the animals feel grace? What do we really know about what goes on inside an animal’s mind? Do they also experience gratitude, despair or anger? How much emotionality do humans and animals share? And can we measure it? 

We get the story of a rescued whale that may have found a way to say thanks to its rescuers. And then we speak to behavioral scientist Clive Wynne), and head of the Dog Cognition Lab) at Barnard, Alexandra Horowitz), to decipher the whale’s behavior.

Guests in the episode include: Mick Menago, Tim Young, James Moskito, Holly Drewyard, Clive Wynne and Alexandra Horowitz. 

For more: Read “Inside of a Dog)” by Alexandra Horowitz.

Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is edited by Soren Wheeler. Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser are our co-hosts. Dylan Keefe is our director of sound design. Our staff includes: Simon Adler, Jeremy Bloom, Becca Bressler, W. Harry Fortuna, David Gebel, Maria Paz Gutiérrez, Sindhu Gnanasambandan, Matt Kielty, Annie McEwen, Alex Neason, Valentina Powers, Sarah Qari, Sarah Sandbach, Arianne Wack, Pat Walters and Molly Webster. Our fact-checkers are Diane Kelly, Emily Krieger and Natalie Middleton. Production help from Tanya Chawla. Sound mixing by Joe Plourde.

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