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(Preview) Apple Abandons Its Smart Glasses, Google as the Yellow Pages, LLMs and the Overton Window

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Jake:我认为苹果在创新方面正在停滞不前。虽然M系列芯片很棒,但取消Apple Car项目和在AI领域落后,让我觉得苹果的创新可能会在未来10到15年内遇到瓶颈。虽然苹果的盈利创下纪录,但我还是担心他们是否会成为一个传统的科技公司,在新计算范式出现时落后。苹果取消了与Mac连接的增强现实眼镜项目,这让我更加担忧,因为他们似乎难以找到合适的技术和成本来制造出大众可以接受的产品。 Ben Thompson:我与Hugo Barra的对话证实了苹果最初的AR眼镜计划是与iPhone配对,但因为会占用过多处理能力和电池而被放弃。苹果不会为了一个小产品而牺牲iPhone这个大业务。苹果似乎坚持“要么做大,要么不做”的心态,这可能解释了Vision Pro后续进展的不足。我个人希望苹果能推出一款Mac配件,比如可以作为Mac显示器的AR眼镜。我认为苹果应该推出一款专门为Mac设计的AR眼镜,这在当前是有市场的,并且可以逐步发展。但苹果内部似乎有一个团队非常相信AR技术,但公司其他部门并不支持他们。 James Allworth:我认为Meta面临的问题是,智能眼镜是否会成为一个真正的产品类别。苹果将AR眼镜与Mac联系起来,可能是探索市场的一种中间步骤。如果苹果不采取行动,可能会错过智能眼镜市场。

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This chapter discusses Apple's recent setbacks, including the cancellation of its augmented reality glasses project and its lagging position in AI. It questions whether Apple is stagnating in innovation and explores the potential consequences.
  • Apple canceled a project for advanced AR glasses that would pair with Macs.
  • This follows the cancellation of the Apple Car project and lagging AI development.
  • Concerns are raised about Apple's future innovation beyond its M-series chips.

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Hello, and welcome to a free preview of Sharp Tech. We're going to start with Jake, who writes, in light of Friday's news from Mark Gurman, I guess Ben was right in his interview with Hugo Barra last year.

Apple wasn't willing to risk compromising the iPhone to make tethered AR glasses work. And I suppose it makes sense. But between this, the cancellation of the Apple car project and lagging behind in AI, I can't help but feel like Apple's stagnating innovation, other than the fantastic M series chips, of course, he puts in parentheses, is going to catch up to them over the next 10 to 15 years.

I know I'm saying this in the wake of record earnings, but am I missing something? Do they have anything cool on the horizon or are they cementing themselves as a legacy player as the next paradigms of computing really come to bear? I'd love a quick take on this. So for people who aren't familiar, I'm going to read the news brief from German at Bloomberg on Friday afternoon.

Just want to compliment you for being familiar, given that this is news that did come down over the weekend. I digested it Friday 5 o'clock, you know? You're an accomplished multitasker, yes. Happy hour for some people, but I was still grinding. He wrote on Friday, Apple has canceled a project to build advanced augmented reality glasses that would pair with its devices, marking the latest setback in its effort to create a headset that appeals to typical consumers.

The company shuttered the program this week, according to people with knowledge of the move. The now canceled product would have looked like normal glasses, but include built-in displays and require a connection to a Mac, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the work wasn't public.

The project had been seen as a potential way forward after the weak introduction of the Apple Vision Pro, a $3,499 model that was too cumbersome and pricey to catch on with consumers. The hope was to produce something that everyday users could embrace, but finding the right technology at the right cost has proven to be a challenge.

So, Ben, can you refresh people on the back and forth you had with Hugo last year as to what Apple's considerations might be as they decide whether they want to enter this smart glasses space going forward?

Yeah, it's interesting because there was actually quite a few interesting bits of information in this article. You focused on sort of the main part, which was the project as it was, was about sort of a Mac paired glasses. But what is notable and what I think that, you know, Jake is referring to

is that these glasses started out as an iPhone paired idea. And what was the problem they had with the iPhone? That it would take away too much processing power. It'd take away too much battery power. There just wasn't sufficient. And whereas the Mac would have more of a surplus of those things.

And that is basically, to Jake's point, exactly what Hugo Barra told me in our interview last fall. Very prescient sort of take. Appears to be completely right. We'll put a link in the show notes. You can go check it out. So I think just to call out that, it makes sense. Like Apple has this massive franchise that is the iPhone.

Even, you know, yes, it's down 1% year over year, but that still is worth, you know, billions of dollars and tens of millions or hundreds of millions of iPhones. They're not going to compromise that for a smaller product. And that's, I think, something that I didn't fully appreciate until Hugo brought that up. And this seems like direct verification of that.

That said, I find this very disappointing. And the reason I find it disappointing is I think that the sense you get from this article, and again, we're dealing with telephone tag from Mark Gurman about a product that never launched. So it's always sort of iffy to read too much into these sorts of things. But it sort of speaks to...

This this go big or go home mindset that honestly seems a little weird in why the vision probe will maybe explain some of the vision pro sort of lackadaisical follow up in many respects over the years where Apple is so accustomed to and used to shipping things at massive volume that it's like, well, if it can't be big, we're not interested. Why bother? Right. Yeah. Because to my mind.

What's kind of bugs me about this is that it's feels like it started out as an iPhone adjacent project and

It got killed for very good reasons, which Hugo explained. Well, wait, what were the very good reasons that they killed it as an iPhone adjacent product? Because it would seem to be like a natural outgrowth of the iPhone. And people were talking about maybe meta needs a phone. Like technically speaking, what were the concerns that Apple had about tying this to the iPhone going forward?

Well, because the idea is you're pairing it to it. So you go back to the Orion glasses. It has its own sort of brick. And this was sort of the context of my conversation with Hugo, which is, well, you know, meta is disadvantaged because they have to have this brick you carry in your pocket. The brick contains all the battery. It contains the sort of more powerful processor. Like there's processors in the lenses, but then there's a more powerful one to do the actual computing. Right.

Exactly.

a lot of battery and they take a lot of processing power. And if you're powering it from the iPhone, you're making the iPhone... You're screwing with the performance of the iPhone in that scenario. That's right. Okay. That's right. And so if you want to make a better iPhone that can do both, it's going to be bigger, it's going to be bulkier, it's going to have...

need a much larger battery. And suddenly you're compromising a product that people buy on its own to support a much smaller product that only a few people are going to buy. So do you, do you have like the AR iPhone? That's this big bulky thing in your pocket. Like, like, like there, there, it's just a much more challenging question than your sort of surface level analysis would suggest. And,

And if you look in here, like this project, the N107 device, they say in here it started out with the idea being that it paired to the iPhone. And what they found is that if you pair to the iPhone,

It takes too much processing power and it takes too much battery power. And so, so the, so being right points go to Hugo for sure. In the wake of last year's conversation. Yeah, absolutely. And so the, the, what sort of depresses me about this article is the way it, again, we're depending on. German sort of framing of what happened. And again, there's no one better than him. So, so we'll roll with it, but it's still an internal decision-making process, not a public product.

that carry it out of the way. What you get from this is you had a team making these glasses. The iPhone team is basically like, nope, no way, not going to happen. And so then they're like casting about for a reason to still do it. Like, well, what if we did it with the Mac, right? And then, you know, I don't know why it got killed then. Maybe it's some aspect of, well, that market's not that big. The Mac is a legacy product we still support. I don't know. We're just sort of theorizing at this point. And that's the part that depresses me.

Not that they killed the iPhone integration in part because Hugo primed me to understand why that was a much bigger problem than you realized, but because, and again, maybe this is personal preference speaking, this is what I want. I want a Mac accessory that,

Where I can get that, like the thing with the Vision Pro, the most compelling use case that I see for the Vision Pro right now is that widescreen Mac display, which by the way, almost everything about the Vision Pro is

Yeah.

You have the studio display. You have the not cinema display, whatever the crazy pro display is. I'm not an Apple nerd to know the tabs on the Apple website, but yeah. Are you envisioning like a plastic high res display that you could use? I want the vision display right next to the studio display where you can buy this accessory for a

Mac, to me, that's like, and then you wean into the productivity use case. Apple can do all these sort of integration that they're so great at. It actually fits in my bag. Like, one of the big problems with the Vision Pro, where I want to...

retry the virtual display thing, but I'm not going to do it at home. At home, I have four monitors. I have like, I'm drinking coffee. I'm getting up and down. Like, like I, but I, on the road, would I like to have a larger display? Yeah, that'd be great. Absolutely. But then there's this big bulky thing that's kind of like, I got a smaller travel case. Well, not just that, but it's like a square. It doesn't like fit in my, fit in my bag. And, and like, if there was actually like,

a device built from the ground up to be a Mac accessory. That feels like number one, it's immediately useful today. Number two, I think there's a market for that today. And number three, it's a place to start where there's an aspect of the vision pro that was too ambitious and,

and it had to do, like, it was trying to do too many things while not doing the things that it, like, things that would help people today. Yeah. Right. And the fact that what I get from this article is,

Is number one that they didn't go this route. I'm personally disappointed. Number two, it really feels like you have this team in Apple that really believes this technology and no one else at the company wants to support them and believes in them. And, and,

Again, maybe that's justified given the vision pro sales, but you don't get the sense of a whole of company effort. You get the sense of a very dedicated team pushing on this and no one else in the company is helping them out.

And that's kind of what we seem to see in the market. And that's just kind of a bummer. Well, and Mark said on the other side of the spectrum here, Apple is canceling its plans for smart glasses. Isn't this major news for Meta? The stock barely moved at all. Do you think this is major news for Meta?

Well, I think the bigger question for Meta is, is this ever going to be a category? That's the question I have. It's like, why should the stock spike years in advance of this product actually hitting shelves and gaining a following? And I don't know whether that will ever actually materialize. I think it's interesting because what you've laid out for Apple, where they tie it to the Mac and

and potentially see more adoption among their customers, that could be sort of an intermediate step to really like throwing their weight behind something that people use every day. Because if smart glasses are going to be like,

The way like the point of integration and the way a lot of people interact with technology in their daily lives 10 years from now, then Apple could really be way behind and just miss the boat entirely on that market if they don't have anything in the works.

And so tying it to the Mac would have been kind of an interesting halfway commitment to investigating that market. But they've chosen not to do that at all and look like they're just going to double down on the iPhone ecosystem. Well, just one more thing to sort of double down on this point.

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