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(Preview) The U.S. Partners with the Middle East in AI, Why OpenAI Is Acquiring Windsurf, Google’s Side of the Platform Wars

2025/5/19
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Andrew Sharp: 上周特朗普总统访问沙特阿拉伯,期间宣布成立一家名为Humane的人工智能公司,并与阿联酋合作在阿布扎比建立大型数据中心。这些举措旨在推进人工智能能力,并扩大美国科技公司在中东的影响力。我对这些合作的意义以及它们对美国科技领导地位的影响持开放态度。我主要负责引出话题,并串联嘉宾的观点。 Ben Thompson: 我对拜登政府取消人工智能扩散规则表示赞同,并认为应该加强对芯片制造设备的管制,而非限制芯片本身。我认为芯片管制会限制创新,并可能导致美国在人工智能领域失去优势。我更倾向于通过加强对芯片制造设备的控制,来确保美国在该领域的领先地位。此外,将数据中心建设转移到能源丰富的地区,可能是一种解决美国国内能源限制的策略。

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This chapter discusses the significant AI investments and partnerships between the U.S. and Middle Eastern countries, particularly Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The announcements include the launch of a Saudi AI company and the creation of a massive data center complex in Abu Dhabi, marking a major shift in global AI development.
  • U.S.-Saudi investment forum with prominent tech leaders
  • Launch of Saudi AI company, Humane
  • $10 billion AMD collaboration with Humane
  • U.S.-UAE partnership to build a massive data center complex in Abu Dhabi

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Hello, and welcome to a free preview of Sharp Tech. Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Sharp Tech. I'm Andrew Sharp, and on the other line, Ben Thompson. Ben, how you doing? Andrew, sometimes things are thrust upon you, burdens you have to bear. You can try to get out of them.

but sometimes you have no choice. And I came on here a week or two ago. I said I was cheering for Denver. Therefore, it'd be unimpeachable that Jokic was better than Giannis. Yeah, but alas, he lost. So I'm in the Twitter minds this morning saying,

observing that Jokic has not accomplished anything more than Giannis widespread NBA cup eraser, by the way, I just do have to go. So, Oh yeah. Uh, who can forget that NBA cup triumph back in December? Someone's got to go out and fight the fight. It's my calling. I can't escape it. I tried to run away. Uh,

It's like Jonah and the whale here. I've just been spit out on land. I have to advance the honest narrative. Yes, well, we were all beached whales on Sunday afternoon, rooting for history, rooting for Yoke. It should do something incredible. And instead, we got gifted a 40-point blowout in Game 7 against the Thunder. Don't worry, Ben. The job now falls to Anthony Edwards and my Timberwolves, and we are going to get the job.

done over the next two weeks. We are on board. Yes. I was texting with a Knicks fan who was just flabbergasted that anyone could not support the Knicks. This is a very Knicks fan sort of point of view. Absolutely, yeah. And I'm like, well, you know, one of my siblings is a huge Timberwolves fan. Also, just straight up Midwest solidarity. So, yes, go Timberwolves. Take it all the way. Let's do it.

Wolves against the world. And this is neither here nor there. But Ben Stiller becoming the new Spike Lee for Knicks Nation has just been an incredibly annoying development over the last two years. So hopefully Spike is front and center for the Eastern Conference Finals.

In any event, we've got news and mail on this episode, and we're going to begin with news. So first, for anyone who missed it, at the beginning of last week, President Trump was in Saudi Arabia for a state visit and a U.S.-Saudi investment forum. And while Trump was there, he delivered remarks in front of a crowd that included Elon Musk, Sundar Pichai, Sam Altman, Jensen Wang, and many, many others.

dozens of other U S business leaders were in the mix for this U S Saudi investment forum. The Saudi side announced the launch of an AI company called humane, and that's humane spelled with an I different spelling than the humane pin spelling. Um, although trying to, I assume the eye is so I assume it's so they have AI in the name, the,

there you go. Well, look, I hear humane and I think of those creepy videos and that stupid pin and one of the most epic disasters of the last couple of years, um, would have been an entertaining zag trying to revive that brand. Alas, humane with AI spelled. It's H U M A I N for anybody who's curious. Um,

Nvidia announced that it will sell hundreds of thousands of Blackwell chips to Humane and AMD announced a $10 billion collaboration with Humane. AWS also had previously announced major data center investments in Saudi Arabia earlier this year.

And so that was the beginning of the week. And then later in the week, we also got news from the UAE. I'll read from CNN. The United States and United Arab Emirates will partner to build a massive data center complex in Abu Dhabi to advance artificial intelligence capabilities with five gigawatts of capacity, enough to power a major city.

The agreement will mark the largest data center deployment outside of the United States, according to the Commerce Department. It will begin with a one gigawatt AI data center, but will eventually span 12 square miles. The project is also expected to expand the footprint of American AI and cloud companies in the Middle East, allowing them to better serve the global south.

So in light of that news, and there were other announcements last week as well, I wrote a very open-ended question in the rundown for you.

What do you think of these announcements? What do you think they might mean for AI development? And what might they signify for the future of American leadership in tech? Well, there was another piece of news that you didn't mention, which was the repeal of the Biden administration AI diffusion rules, which is part and parcel of this.

given that these countries were on one of the lower tiers and were they limited? Yeah, I think so. You know, for, you know,

Let's step back to the AI diffusion rules. Again, my overarching view of the matter is I am, just to reestablish for the record, you can go back and listen to the podcast or read the articles, I am opposed to chip controls and in favor of much stronger controls on chip making equipment. So I'm fine with China being on U.S. chips, cementing U.S. ecosystem advantages, which primarily is NVIDIA centric.

And I am uncomfortable with China basically building a parallel chip making ecosystem in the long run. I think we've been approaching this problem from completely the wrong direction. So that's my overarching view. In that context, I thought the chip diffusion rules were particularly bad. And the issue is.

You do have this real challenge of controlling the flow of chips. Like they're very small and like they're, you know, it's just, it's not like quite trying to control software, but it's closer to that. Chips have always been close to software for lots of reasons.

the actual production of them is relatively cheap. They're relatively small. All the cost is upfront, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So by and large, it's always been a challenge. So the AI diffusion rule was looking at the fact of the face that look, we have a hard time controlling this. We're basically going to shift from a, uh,

fix problems after the fact or try to catch stuff to upfront. We're just going to require permission for everything. And the problem for that is kind of on the tin. Putting permission for everything is a great way to ensnarl the entire world in red tape and,

And it's a great way to limit innovation. It's a great way to open the door to other entities. Again, right now, China doesn't have enough chips to sell abroad, particularly their sort of fastest Ascend chips. They have lots of trailing edge chips that are very trailing edge that are not really relevant to AI necessarily. But it's just in general, I think, a bad way to operate. And

The other point, I mentioned it when I wrote about it at the time, but the access rules as set up by the Biden administration basically gated the world according to the U.S. capacity to utilize chips because all these were all like ratios relative to how much was in the U.S. So there was ratios both of how much chips abroad needed to be controlled by U.S. companies and also how much was built in the U.S.,

And you were looking forward. You didn't need to look forward very many years, like single digit years where the U S is running out of power. We can't actually build more data centers or put in more chips because

And we've now legally made it that that means the whole world is now gated on AI. And that should fundamentally seemed a very sort of flawed way to think about AI and the AI opportunity. And the most generous interpretation of this deal is it addresses that directly. And you can be quite cynical about this and say,

Well, let's look at the U.S. You know, we've the U.S., contrary to sort of conventional wisdom, has dramatically decreased its power usage. It's dramatically cleaned up its sort of environmental impacts and things along those lines.

A lot of that is because we shipped all the stuff that people don't like abroad. Right. And, you know, this ties into all the trade stuff, all those bits and pieces. Well, you could certainly say that's what's happening. I think I said this was generous. Maybe it's generous and cynical are sort of two sides of the same coin in this part. We're shipping abroad our inability to build to places where they have no compunction about getting stuff built.

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