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Conversations: Fulvia, the Woman Who Broke All the Rules in Ancient Rome w/ Dr Jane Draycott

2025/5/30
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Jane Draycott: 我认为富尔维娅之所以在古代资料中显得突出，是因为那些撰写资料的男性想让她突出，他们把她当作警示女性的反面教材，并借此诋毁马克·安东尼，暗示他连自己的妻子都管不住。古代男性作者还想借富尔维娅来突显罗马共和国晚期的问题，以及像她第一任丈夫那样的问题人物，并以此表明传统罗马价值观的逐渐瓦解。他们通过展示女性的“失控”，来反映罗马社会传统价值观的瓦解。富尔维娅所做的一切，实际上都是当时罗马女性应该做的，比如结婚、支持丈夫、生孩子，甚至生了儿子。她在丈夫不在或去世时，保护他们的财产、孩子和政治遗产，这符合罗马妻子的角色，也符合奥古斯都后来通过的道德立法。因此，富尔维娅因为做罗马女性期望的事情而受到批评，这令人费解。西塞罗的妻子Terentia在他流亡和担任省长期间管理他们的共同财产，安排女儿的婚姻，处理幕后政治事务。富尔维娅所做的事情与其他女性并无不同，只是我们有更多关于她的证据，而这些证据具有煽动性和批判性，因为她被用作替罪羊，为共和国的衰落和三巨头之间的不良关系负责。她还被视为克利奥帕特拉的“热身”，是后来邪恶的预演。在公元前40年富尔维娅去世后，安东尼和屋大维濒临战争边缘，他们达成协议，将一切归咎于富尔维娅。通过指责富尔维娅，安东尼和屋大维可以避免真正解决他们之间的问题，但这实际上为未来埋下了隐患。 Liv: 我现在自动地认为，那个领域的任何女性，她的故事都在以某种方式服务于宣传目的。我说“野”，是因为我想知道为什么所有男人都对一个女性的存在感到愤怒。尤利娅，奥古斯都的女儿，也被认为是“野”的，被驱逐是因为她太淫荡。我们应该思考，将尤利娅描述成“野”的，这种宣传背后有什么目的，以及这可能暗示了她作为真实人物的什么。我沉迷于研究古代世界的女性，因为我想知道，直到最近，有多少人把这些事情当真。历史往往以男性形象和来源希望我们相信的形象来解读，这背后有什么原因？

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This chapter delves into the historical figure of Fulvia, examining whether she was truly "wild" as depicted by ancient sources or a scapegoat for the political turmoil of the late Roman Republic. The discussion analyzes the biases in historical accounts and explores Fulvia's actions within the context of Roman societal expectations for women.
  • Ancient sources portray Fulvia as a cautionary tale, highlighting her actions to criticize Mark Antony and the disintegration of Roman traditions.
  • Analysis of historical evidence suggests Fulvia's actions aligned with societal expectations for Roman women of her time.
  • Fulvia's death conveniently allowed Antony and Octavian to shift blame for their conflicts onto her.

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Liv speaks with historian Dr Jane Draycott about Fulvia of ancient Rome, a woman at the centre of the fall of the Roman Republic... Unsurprisingly the conversation became something wider, looking at ancient women more broadly. Plus, we rant about the patriarchy, because it deserves it. Find more about Jane's new book Fulvia: the Woman Who Broke All the Rules in Ancient Rome) and Jane's work more broadly). For reference, this episode was recorded at the end of April 2025.

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CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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