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Conversations: Othering Women in the Origins of Western Medicine w/ Dr Christie Vogler (Part 1)

2025/3/7
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Liv: 我认为西方医学长期以来都存在对女性的偏见，从古希腊的希波克拉底医学开始，女性的身体就被视为男性身体的缺陷版本。这种偏见导致女性的疾病被错误地归因于子宫，并接受了不恰当的治疗。此外，现代医学也存在对女性的忽视，例如在药物测试中很少考虑女性的特殊生理状况。这种对女性身体的误解和忽视，从古代延续至今，仍然对女性的健康和医疗保健产生负面影响。 我认为这种偏见根源于父权制，它将女性的价值仅仅局限于生育能力，而忽视了女性作为独立个体的存在价值。我们需要打破这种父权制的束缚，重新审视女性在医学中的地位，并致力于创造一个更加公平、公正的医疗体系。 Dr. Christy Vogler: 希波克拉底医学将男性身体视为理想的、正常的身体，而女性身体则被视为有缺陷的，因为她们有子宫并经历月经。这种观点导致女性疾病的诊断和治疗都存在偏差，许多女性疾病被归因于子宫的“游走”或其他虚构的病因。 尽管希波克拉底医学强调理性的自然病因，但实际上，许多医生和病人仍然相信神灵的干预。医生们与阿斯克勒庇俄斯等神灵的治疗教派合作，以提高自己的权威性和信誉。 在罗马时期，医生们通过参加各种节日和游行来提高自己的社会地位和公众形象。然而，这种做法也导致了对女性医生的歧视和排斥。 尽管希波克拉底医学试图将自己与民间医学和巫术区分开来，但实际上，许多民间疗法与希波克拉底医学的理论并不冲突。例如，月经血既被认为是有害的，也被认为是具有治疗作用的。这种矛盾反映了人们对女性身体的复杂和矛盾的理解。

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Liv and Dr. Christie Vogler delve into the historical treatment of women in medicine, focusing on how ancient practices marginalized women and the role of the Hippocratic Corpus.
  • The Hippocratic Corpus is foundational to Western medicine but historically marginalized women.
  • Ancient medicine viewed the female body as inherently flawed compared to the male body.
  • Women's health issues were often attributed to the uterus, seen as a defect.
  • Christie Vogler's research explores the intersection of magic, medicine, and the marginalization of women.
  • The patriarchal structure of ancient medicine still influences modern perceptions and practices.

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Liv speaks with Dr Christie Vogler about the long and storied and utterly infuriating ancient history of women's medicine in the West. The video clips referenced: Competing Medical Practices in Domina: Livia & Augustus's story in 'Domina' - Part 21); Medical Pluralism on HBO’s Rome: Rome Pullo has surgery HD); and if you want to see the transition to modern medicine in the late 19th century, check out the series The Artful Dodger: The Artful Dodger | Official Trailer | Hulu). And check out Christie's podcast, Movies We Dig, soon to be joining the newly established Memory Collective) podcast network!

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CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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