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Conversations: Sing, Muse, of a Woman... Mythica, Penelope's Bones, w/ Emily Hauser

2025/4/18
logo of podcast Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

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Emily Hauser: 我对荷马史诗中女性角色的研究始于本科论文,当时我发现人们普遍忽视了这些女性在史诗中的重要性,而我却一直对她们很感兴趣。通过历史、考古学和DNA等工具,我们可以重新发现并还原荷马史诗中女性角色的真实地位。荷马史诗中女性角色虽然被边缘化,但却拥有强大的力量,是推动叙事发展的关键引擎。 《奥德赛》比《伊利亚特》更进一步地展现了女性角色的刻板印象,以及男性视角对女性的塑造。我重新诠释了对缪斯的祈求,将焦点从男性转向女性,以此来重新审视和恢复女性在史诗中的故事。 我将荷马史诗中的女性角色与青铜时代真实女性的生活经验联系起来,用真实女性的经历来解读史诗。通过分析卡吕普索的织布工作,我们可以重新认识女性在青铜时代社会中的角色和贡献。考古学长期以来忽视了女性的工作,而纺织技术的发展为我们重新认识女性在青铜时代社会中的角色提供了新的途径。通过对海伦形象的解读,我们可以揭示男性对女性的幻想和期待,并尝试还原真实女性的面貌。通过对迈锡尼墓葬中男女骨骼的DNA分析,我们可以挑战传统上对女性角色的解读,并认识到女性在社会中的独立地位。通过对佩涅洛佩的解读,我们可以重新审视《奥德赛》的叙事焦点,并认识到佩涅洛佩在故事中的关键作用。对伊萨卡岛屿的考古研究,印证了荷马史诗中对伊萨卡的描述,并为我们重新理解佩涅洛佩的故事提供了新的视角。 通过对忒提斯的解读,以及对青铜时代女性生育状况的研究,我们可以重新理解《伊利亚特》中母爱的力量和悲剧。通过对彭忒西勒亚的解读,以及对亚马逊女战士的考古研究,我们可以挑战传统上对女性角色的刻板印象,并认识到女性在战争中的作用。通过对喀耳刻的解读,以及对猪的考古研究,我们可以重新理解喀耳刻的形象,并认识到女性在社会中的生存策略。 Liv: 我与Emily Hauser讨论了她的新书《Mythica》(在美国和加拿大称为《Penelope's Bones》),这本书探讨了荷马史诗中女性角色以及她们与青铜时代女性之间的联系。我们讨论了缪斯、海伦、卡吕普索、佩涅洛佩、忒提斯、彭忒西勒亚和喀耳刻等女性角色,并探讨了考古学和DNA分析等方法如何帮助我们更好地理解这些角色。我们还讨论了翻译对文本解读的影响,以及如何挑战传统上对女性角色的刻板印象。

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This chapter explores the paradox of women in Homer's epics. Despite being central to the narratives, their power is often marginalized. The discussion uses the Iliad and Odyssey as examples, highlighting how women are both powerful agents and victims of patriarchal structures.
  • Women are central to the narratives of the Iliad and the Odyssey, yet marginalized.
  • The Iliad's narrative hinges on women like Helen, Briseis, and Chryseis.
  • The Odyssey begins with a focus on a 'complicated man,' highlighting the androcentric nature of the epic.

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Once again Liv is joined by the wonderful Emily Hauser, this time for the episode that started it all, a conversation about Mythica (Penelope's Bones in the US and Canada), a look at the women of Homer and through them, women of the Bronze Age. Find Mythica or Penelope's Bones wherever you get books (ideally, not Amazon). Submit your question for the next Q&A via email) or a voice note). Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby)

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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