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Conversations: Women's Patience/Patients & Hippocratic Medicine w/ Dr Christie Vogler (Part 2)

2025/3/14
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Liv: 我对西方医学史，特别是希波克拉底医学对女性健康的负面影响很感兴趣。我认为希波克拉底医学虽然为西方医学奠定了基础，但也存在着严重的缺陷，尤其体现在对女性的忽视和歧视上。我们需要批判性地审视西方医学的起源和发展，并对其中存在的父权制结构进行反思和改革。我们需要认识到，解决这些深层次的问题需要彻底的结构性变革，而不是简单的修补。 此外，西方医学的建立也排除了对非白人种族的考虑，导致种族差异在医疗保健中体现。我们需要正视历史上的种族主义和性别歧视对医学的影响，并努力构建一个更加公平公正的医疗体系。 在现代社会，多元化和包容性倡议的设立并非为了多元化本身，而是为了纠正白人主导的机构中存在的裙带关系和不公平现象。我们需要警惕那些试图削弱多元化和包容性努力的势力，并继续为构建更加公平公正的社会而努力。 Dr. Christy Vogler: 我的研究主要基于对古代地中海地区医学、健康和治疗的文献研究。希波克拉底医学将女性视为劣等，其对女性疾病的治疗方案也反映了当时对女性生理的误解。例如，子宫游走被认为会导致女性精神错乱甚至自杀，而性行为和怀孕被视为治疗方法。 希波克拉底医学中治疗女性疾病的方法包括泻药、熏蒸、放血等，这些方法并非总是有效且可能造成伤害。古代妇科学巩固了精英男性的利益和国家权力，通过解剖学差异强化性别等级，并服务于精英家庭和国家的生育利益。 在奴隶制社会中，女性利用传统医学知识来控制自己的生育，这体现了她们在压迫环境下争取自主权的努力。古代医疗实践中，患者及其家人和朋友都参与到医疗决策和护理中，这与现代医疗的个体化模式形成对比。患者有权拒绝提供不必要的医疗信息，以维护自身的自主权。 女性医生为了获得权威地位，需要展现出男性化的特质，例如坚韧、理性等。同时，她们也需要保持贞洁，以避免受到性行为不检点的指控。一些获得自由的奴隶女性医疗从业者会选择离开原主人家庭，这可能是为了摆脱性剥削的污名。 古代社会中，将女性医疗从业者与巫术联系起来，是理性医学贬低其他医疗实践的一种方式。我们需要认识到，医学是政治性的，对父权制的批判有助于推动医疗保健领域的变革。

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An exploration of Hippocratic medicine's impact on women's health, its origins, and its foundational role in Western medicine. The conversation highlights the androcentric nature of ancient healthcare practices and their lasting effects on gender hierarchies.
  • Hippocratic medicine is the foundation of Western medicine and has androcentric roots.
  • The conversation addresses the oversimplification of Hippocratic medicine in modern teaching.
  • Hippocratic medicine treated women as inferior to men, with the uterus seen as a major differentiating factor.
  • The taboo against human dissection limited anatomical understanding in ancient Greece.
  • Folk medicine, a space where women could operate, was a major competitor to Hippocratic medicine.

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TW! Horrors of Women's/Female Health. Liv speaks with Dr Christie Vogler about the long and storied and utterly infuriating ancient history of women's medicine in the West. Check out Christie's podcast, Movies We Dig), now part of the Memory Collective) podcast network! Submit your question for the next Q&A at mythsbaby.com/questions) and get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby)

Recommended reading and sources: Cleghorn, Elinor. 2022. Unwell Women: A Journey Through Medicine and Myth in a Man-made World; Cooper Owens, Deirdre. 2018. *Medical Bondage: Race, Gender, and the Origins of American Gynecology; *Draycott, Jane. 2021. *Roman Domestic Medical Practice in Central Italy: From the Middle Republic to the Early Empire; *Joshel, Sandra R. 1992. Work, Identity, and Legal Status at Rome: A Study of the Occupational Inscriptions; Mulder, Tara. 2016. “The Hippocratic Oath in Roe v. Wade | by Tara Mulder).” EIDOLON; Nutton, Vivian. 2013. Ancient Medicine; Ripat, Pauline. 2016. “Roman Women, Wise Women, and Witches).”; “Roe v. Wade | 410 U.S. 113 (1973)).”; Stanley Spaeth, Barbette. 2014. “From Goddess to Hag: The Greek and the Roman Witch in Classical Literature.” In Daughters of Hecate: Women and Magic in the Ancient World, edited by Kimberly B. Stratton and Dayna S. Kalleres; Upson-Saia, Kristi, Heidi Marx, and Jared Secord. 2023. Medicine, Health, and Healing in the Ancient Mediterranean (500 BCE–600 CE): A Sourcebook; Woods, Robert. 2007. “Ancient and Early Modern Mortality: Experience and Understanding).” The Economic History Review 60.

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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