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How the iPhone Drove Men and Women Apart

2025/5/29
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Ross Douthat: 作为《纽约时报》的评论员,我长期关注人口问题。我认为现在人口下降比人口爆炸更危险。生育率下降不仅仅是公共服务或女性选择的问题,而是男女之间关系和配对的失败。我们需要探讨技术、经济和社会因素如何影响人们的生育意愿和行为。 Alice Evans: 作为伦敦国王学院的社会学家,我研究全球生育率下降的社会力量。我认为,生育率崩溃是全球性的,不仅仅发生在发达国家,也发生在保守国家。这与单身人数的增加密切相关,而技术进步导致的数字孤独是主要原因。人们沉迷于在线娱乐,社交技能下降,难以建立亲密关系,从而影响了生育率。

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What would make you want to have more children? This week on “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat speaks with Dr. Alice Evans, a social scientist who is as concerned about the global decline in fertility as he is. The two discuss why this isn’t just a gender issue — it’s “a solitude issue” – and whether there’s a way to bring relationships back.

  • 02:03 - What are the stakes of declining fertility?
  • 06:41 - Alice's master theory for why birth rates are falling
  • 09:04 - There are too many single people
  • 10:27 - We can thank technology for the coupling crisis
  • 12:58 - The digital segregation of men and women
  • 16:31 - Men have less to offer these days
  • 20:11 - What can bring the sexes back together
  • 24:31 - Could Hollywood help fix the problem?
  • 25:46 - Can the government incentivize people to have babies?
  • 27:30 - What role does religion play in all this?
  • 28:59 - The role of IVF
  • 40:50 - Does the fantasy of youth impact the numbers?
  • 43:43 - The world in 2080...

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