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We’re More Secular Than Ever. How’s That Going?
2025/2/21
Matter of Opinion
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Carlos Lozada
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Michelle Cottle
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Ross Douthat
Michelle Cottle: 我支持宗教和宗教信仰，但南方浸信会的成长经历给我带来了创伤。我曾经对福音派强调的信仰感到困惑，认为其缺乏严谨性和可信度。如今，我仍在寻求信仰的道路。
Carlos Lozada: 宗教信仰自幼伴随我成长，它是我世界的一部分。我喜欢天主教信仰体系的特殊性，但大学毕业后，我开始意识到宗教信仰需要更多的努力来维持。我经历了对信仰的起伏，但我从未完全放弃信仰，它始终是我生命中不可分割的一部分。
Ross Douthat: 我写这本书是为了探讨美国当前独特的宗教时刻，以及为那些从未接触过有组织宗教或传统宗教的人提供对宗教的入门介绍。这本书试图超越关于宗教社会益处的争论，并直接探讨宗教视角是否准确地描述了世界。我认为，接受一些关于现实的宗教观念并不需要放弃对科学和进步的信仰。这本书也试图阻止人们在对宗教进行批判性解构时走向无神论，并寻找新的信仰道路。人们对宗教信仰的质疑因人而异，没有一个统一的答案。对特定神概念的质疑不应导致完全放弃对宗教的探索。传统宗教对性的态度与现代人的生活方式之间存在紧张关系。如今许多宗教为了吸引信徒，已经变得更加“寻求者敏感”，甚至牺牲了核心教义。为了吸引信徒，宗教必须认真对待自身的真理主张，但同时也要适应多元化的社会。上帝对不同人的运作方式不同。理性论证对宗教信仰很重要，但最终信仰也需要一种信任和信心。上帝并非完全隐藏，而是以不同的方式向不同的人显现。
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Michelle Cottle: 'Anything that seems slightly off could be waved away as an imperfect understanding by creatures who are by design imperfect, at which point the whole enterprise starts to feel a little slippery and unserious and self-justifying.'
Carlos Lozada: 'When John Paul II came to Peru in the early 1980s, I was there at like youth day services, right? I went to Catholic grade school, high school, college. The church was everywhere.'
Carlos Lozada: 'And it was after college, right, like entering adulthood that I experienced kind of a letdown in it because it's easy when it's everywhere.'
Ross Douthat: 'Well, it's an attempt to sort of write into what I think is a very interesting religious moment in American life where we have gone through a period of disillusionment with religious institutions...', 'And an attempt to make a case that you don't have to leave your faith in science and progress at the door in order to accept some religious ideas about reality.'
Ross Douthat: 'What my book is trying to do is kind of put a floor on that process to say, OK, deconstruction doesn't go all the way down to atheism.'
Ross Douthat: 'If you're interested in religion and a particular conception of God seems... unpersuasive to you, that shouldn't actually end your engagement with religion, right?'
Ross Douthat: 'In the end, I really relate to Thomas, you know, the guy who's like, hey, it's cool that Jesus rose from the dead, but I would in fact like to see those wounds.'
Deep Dive
Ross Douthat, co-host of the podcast, has written a new book, "Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious." The book attempts to make a rational and empirical case for religious belief, particularly targeting those who value science and reason. It explores the renewed interest in traditional faiths and addresses common objections to religion.
- Ross Douthat's new book, "Believe," argues for religious faith.
- The book addresses secularization's limits and the resurgence of supernatural interests.
- It aims to provide a rational case for religion, not just focusing on sociological benefits.
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