3 Words that Help Handle Any Problem: How to Ask the Universe for Guidance....and Receive Clear Answers!
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Sitting quietly and slowing down the brainwaves with the breath. Getting focused.

on just being present. Imagining what if I am a field of consciousness, of energy and information. If I'm going to connect with a higher frequency, then I need a higher frequency myself. Thoughts of gratitude have been proven to bring heart and brain into a coherent state. Think of what you're grateful for. Feel the difference in your energy field as you think, I don't want to be constricted in my human thoughts. I want to be this expansive open field. Expand your field with whatever visual works for you.

and then willingly surrender your doubts, your fears, your adult behavior that says this can't be, shift with the intention of what channel I want to go to. Something beyond normal human waking consciousness. An experience that I can verify and validate beyond normal knowing. Then you can simply sit and experience whatever happens or take a question or make a request such as, "My loved one who has passed,

Show me that you're here. Or just simply ask, what is it I need to know right now that I don't know? And then listen and watch and be open and notice.

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Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik. I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to our breakdown. This is the place where we break things down so you don't have to. Jonathan's got a new background today. That's exciting. It's very exciting. Today on the breakdown, we're going to be learning some techniques for ways to reduce not only stress, but reduce feelings of loneliness and despair. We're also going to be learning about

how to tap into intuition, how to know the difference between intuition and making things up. And we're also going to learn ways to make our interactions with other people a lot more pleasant. We're also going to get esoteric and we're going to tie a lot of the science-based understanding

of how we exist in the universe to a very spiritual understanding of consciousness. Now, what do we mean by altered states of consciousness, Mayim? Well, if you've listened to our Michael Singer episode, if you've listened to our Neil Thiess episode, if you've listened to any of our episodes where we talk about meditation or altered states of consciousness, what you know is that there is a way of functioning that takes into account

that the story that we tell ourselves about our reality is actually not the entire reality of the universe at large.

And the ability as humans that we have to contemplate these things is fascinating and important. But we also know that there's science behind the way that we understand these processes and that being able to understand things outside of what we can see, smell, taste, and touch and hear.

Being able to access other kinds of information is actually physiologically advantageous for us to function and manage stress, grief, and even how we heal.

Absolutely. Another way to describe that would be that for most of us, we are operating primarily in the left hemisphere of our brain, controlled by logic, reason, which are extremely important and are hugely advantageous for us. However, when we quiet those through a meditative practice, the right hemisphere of the brain can take over and we have access to information, intuition, and some would even say spiritual guidance.

connected to the larger consciousness of humanity, the world, whatever you want to describe a god, that we're just really trying to understand as a species. And there are some of us who have experienced that, who are almost guides on that path. And when we start to connect more in the right hemisphere of our brains,

what we can experience, how it can guide our lives can truly be transformational. And this is a lot of what this episode is exploring.

The person who's going to talk to us about this is Suzanne Giesemann. Her latest book is The Awakened Way, Making the Shift to a Divinely Guided Life. She's a retired Navy commander who was not raised in any particular religious and definitely no spiritual kind of environment. She never thought that she would one day become a spiritual teacher. She's an author and

and she is a medium who works in realms outside of Western understanding, as it were.

The tragic death of her stepdaughter, she's going to talk to us about it, who was struck by lightning while six months pregnant, sparked Suzanne's journey to start contemplating what happens after we die. And this led her on an unbelievable journey that she is sharing with us in this book. And the book is a practical set of tools that

and meditations and exercises that you can do to increase your ability to tap into something outside of yourself, even if you're a skeptic, even if you don't believe that any of this is even possible. She's got a really, really compelling way of communicating what she knows, what she's come to understand, and how it can literally help transform your life. So without further ado, really a pleasure to welcome Suzanne Giesemann to The Breakdown.

Break it down. I have so many questions for you. And it's really, you know, I come from a scientific background, as you do as well. You know, I come from, you know, I'm a very skeptical believer, meaning I'm in touch with many things that I can't explain. I believe in many things that don't have a formula. And

In addition to that, there are certain things about certain people's experiences that I'm very skeptical about. Not that I think you're lying. Not that I think you're not telling your truth. But one of the things that Jonathan and I kind of seek to do here is really cut through a lot of skepticism to try and get to the things that we have in common and the things that

people's experiences, even though they may take different paths to get there, what can be understood as similar. And one of the things that I love that you do in The Awakened Way is you dive directly into that. You very clearly say that you have a path that may not be other people's path,

but that the things that you experience, the things that you have come to believe are true are things that for thousands of years, mystics have been touching. There are things that people who have psychedelic or transcendental experiences can touch. There is a universal core of love and existence that you tap into in a way that a lot of people cannot access. Right.

but we're all really one. Can you sort of give us, you know, the thumbnail sketch into what you believe you were put on this planet to communicate?

I believe I was put on this planet to go through a very left brain career and then have a jarring wake up call so that people would pay attention when I tell these stories that sound too hard to believe. And that nudges everything.

something within them to say, you know, there is some aspect of this that I would love to believe. Maybe I'll investigate a little further and then come to know what it is that nudged them to do that because the nudge comes from that universal core you spoke of. So I know that I'm here to help lovingly guide people to that universal core. I'd like you to talk a little bit about

your life before you delved into or dove into the realms of spiritual teacher, medium, you know, accessing information that is not explainable with, you know, the linear brains that we have.

What was your life like before? Because I'm particularly interested for people to hear that you were not raised in a kumbaya, let's get in touch with our inner selves kind of community. Talk about your life before your essentially revelation. Yes, not at all kumbaya. I was raised in a middle-class family, went to a little state college, so...

No religion growing up, very normal but challenging, as many childhoods are. And then upon graduation, went to officer candidate school in the Navy and embarked on a full career in the Navy. I rose through the ranks with nine different tours of duty, was a commanding officer, and

I was a special assistant to the head of the Navy and then personally asked by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that's the head of the whole United States military, to be his right-hand man, so to speak. I was his aide-de-camp. As you can imagine, I was very structured, very much in a box.

Did things that I was told to do, but questioned them often. I had a little bit of a rebellious streak, but stayed within the lines. But there was no belief in an afterlife. I was curious about other realities, but it's not something we sat around and discussed in the military. So that's my background.

And you, first of all, thank you for your service. You served in some very, very interesting times. Can you talk a little bit about 9-11? Oh boy, can I. I was the chairman's aide on that day. Beautiful sunny day in Washington, D.C. We left the Pentagon and went to Andrews Air Force Base where we boarded a plane to head to Europe. My boss was going to be knighted by Queen Elizabeth later that week. I was going to be right there in person. So excited about that.

And a couple hours out over the Atlantic, we got word about a small plane attack in New York City. That's what they thought it was at first. We shared that with the chairman. When we shared the latest news that we got that it was most likely deliberate and most likely not a small plane, he told me to take us back to Washington. I went up to the cockpit, told the pilot. He looked at me and he said, Commander, our flight path is going to take us right over Manhattan.

And by that point, every other aircraft in U.S. airspace had been grounded. We were the very last aircraft in U.S. airspace. We did fly over Manhattan. I have a, gosh, it's right here. I have a picture taken from our aircraft of the smoke billowing up. Whoa. Wow. And then we landed at Andrews Air Force Base again. Empty streets, a big motorcade, went back to the Pentagon.

Makes me emotional thinking about it, even after all these years. We went to look at the impact site. There's my other picture. That's me and where my fingers are standing next to the general staring at that gaping hole.

I had just stepped over jet engine pieces in the grass, staring at the building we had just left and knowing there were people sitting where that hole was. And I started asking questions then that I'd never had a reason to ask. Why are some people in the wrong place at the wrong time? And these were people just like us. And I know that we weren't

poor mongers and, you know, we were normal. When you're in the military, people have an image of you. And most of the people I knew, the vast majority were there out of a sense of service and doing the right thing. And these were normal people that I know went home to their families at night, but staring there and knowing they wouldn't be going home to their families, just didn't know how to process that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to ask you a question about that day that I'd like to come back to, which I will come back to towards the end of our conversation or somewhere later in this conversation. I want to know what that Suzanne felt about the people who did this, meaning what did that Suzanne think about

was the framework for how to understand the destruction and the terrorism that you had just witnessed? That's a really good question. And I've never even thought about it. But as I put myself back, then I felt I couldn't understand. So many people around me got angry. I remember meeting my husband at the end of the day.

And I just wanted a hug. And he was stiff as a board because he was so angry. But I just couldn't understand how people could do that to each other. That was my frame of mind.

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A very significant tragedy, a personal tragedy. So you experienced really a national tragedy that you were literally firsthand, you know, and was, as I understand your story, was a little bit of an opening into your, you know, your tenderness and your ability to start thinking and receiving, you know, different kinds of emotional information, right? Yeah.

Talk about what happened with your beloved stepdaughter. I just want to back up to 9-11 and say that I volunteered to be an escort officer during a memorial service on 9-11 a few weeks later for the families of the victims. I realized then what a big mistake that was for me to volunteer because I didn't realize I had zero coping tools. And to feel everybody else's grief

I didn't know what to do with it. So I buried it and I put in my retirement papers. I said, I can't look at these photo boards all the time of all the people that died. You walk around the Pentagon, all these memorials. I was raised with, you have to be happy. You have to be positive. You can't be angry. Was not allowed to feel that. So I ran away from life. My husband and I went off sailing into the sunset the day after I retired on our sailboat. And we sailed for several years together.

We crossed the Atlantic Ocean. We were sailing off the coast of Croatia when we received a notice to phone home. We didn't have cell phones in 2006, so we found a pay phone, if you remember what those are. And when I saw my husband crumple against the phone booth, that's when life really changed.

Uh, we had no idea it was phone home for the call that said that his daughter, my stepdaughter, Susan had been struck and killed by lightning. She was a Marine sergeant crossing the flight line at work. She had volunteered to go to Iraq and her husband said, no, it's too dangerous. Stay here in North Carolina. And she was struck and killed. And she was six months pregnant with our first and only grandchild. So, uh,

Suddenly I couldn't run away. This was really up close and personal. Yeah. But I can tell you about the pivotal moment though that changed everything. Yeah, that's where I was going to go next. And I appreciate you kind of tracking that, that the opening that occurred after what you experienced a 9-11, I think it's an important part of your story because as you said, what it felt like was, I can't deal with this.

I want out, right? Which is another way of sort of circumventing, you know, diving into the middle of an emotional experience. And I don't blame you. I don't think anyone would, right? But what you did was, you know, you had this beautiful experience and distraction, you know, of sailing. And it's kind of interesting that the universe then

you know, presented this tragic opportunity for you to be given a lesson again, right? That's it. That's exactly what it is. And I don't believe in a God that would say, oh, she didn't learn the lesson from 9-11. Let's give it to her again. But talk about what that opportunity opened up.

Oh, absolutely an opportunity. When I see how what it opened has led to helping literally millions of people. And when I have subsequently come to know that Susan is still here, the bigger picture changes everything. But I didn't have that bigger picture then. It was the night before her funeral. We had the viewing. To walk in and see this vibrant young girl's body that looked nothing like her. I just looked down.

And said out loud, that's not Susan. And I said it over and over. And it was a disconnect because there was something in me. And that's that part I was talking about that nudges all of us to ask questions. Something in me said, she's still here. She still exists somehow.

I had recently stumbled upon, and I put that in quotation marks, a book by medium James Van Praagh just a few weeks earlier. I see that that was no accident. That opened me to the possibility of, wow, maybe I really could connect with her somehow. And I just stood there staring at her and I thought, I have a new mission. I'm going to connect with Susan.

So let's just take a pause here because many of us experience, you know, someone we love passing. Many of us are in that room, you know, with a body. It never occurs to most of us that there's a way to communicate. And I want to be really clear here because this is a place where

you know, the skeptic in me is trying to reframe this. And I feel like I have a way to reframe it. And what it is, is you're not saying I want to talk to dead people. That's not what this is. What you're saying is, what if, what if, what if there is a place where this entity that we called

whatever, whatever that name was, what if there's a place where that still exists and I can somehow feel that or feel into that? It,

I know that my human side was saying, what if the stuff I read in that book by James Van Frog was real? But I can also tell you that different from what you just said, there was a part of me that knew. And the human side cannot explain that part. That comes from that universal core that knew a part of her still existed. Or I never would have sat daily thinking,

for the three years it took me to finally make a personal connection with her. It was unknowing. Yeah. Tell me what you started doing. We were still living on our boat. We went back to the boat in Croatia. I took with me three books about the afterlife that I found in a Books A Million store in rural North Carolina. It's all that was available. We're going back to Croatia. There's no Kindle in 2006, and I didn't have one.

And so I started reading books by three different mediums and that started opening me to possibilities. I was skeptical. Absolutely. I was not going to be duped in my grief, but I immediately started sitting quietly every day for maybe five or 10 minutes and just saying from my heart, Susan, let me know you're here or Susan, reveal yourself to me.

That was it. I realize now that was the key. Quieting the outer world, going within with a single-minded focus. I could call it a soul focus, and you can choose how you spell soul in that sense. The soul focus of connecting with Susan, not realizing that is the key.

to accessing expanded states of consciousness. And that opened me up to experiences and awareness and knowing other things that I wouldn't normally be able to know long before I actually connected with Susan. That was the gift. I want to hone in on what you just said, tapping into expanded states of consciousness, because I think a lot of people, and hopefully,

people have hung in here with us. A lot of people will recognize in what you just said, the same thing that mystical teachers teach, the same thing that people who take individuals on, you know, therapeutic psychedelic journeys will communicate, the same thing that people who are able to achieve transcendental states, it's the same things that Brian Murarescu talked about when he talked about the mysteries of ancient Greece.

that dying before you die means you never die. There was a form of meditation that has been part of the human experience that taps into exactly what you just said, an expanded state of consciousness. Now, the way you got there may be different than the way other people get there. But essentially what you were doing was

putting yourself in a meditative place where you were learning to quiet the ego. I mean, that's practically speaking what you were doing. I was also sedating. I didn't realize it at the time, but I'm going to speak in your language now. Sedating the left hemisphere of the brain and activating the right hemisphere, bringing them into balance. And that allowed the filters of the mind

to open a bit and allow me access to other frequencies that were already there, but I didn't know it. And, you know, for those of you who are skeptical, there is science to this. We actually know about this. There are incredible imaging studies that people have been able to do to see what goes on in altered states of consciousness. Jonathan and I have, you know, had the time of our lives learning about

near-death experiences and DMT and the chemical overlap and the experiential overlap of people who, you know, if we know the drug, we know the mechanisms, right? Or we know some of the mechanisms. And then if we know that there's an experience separate from those drugs, we can say, gosh, this is possibly some of the overlap of what's going on neurochemically and in terms of the neuroanatomy. One question that might come up, and again, I'm just asking for a friend,

Is it possible that you were making things up? Meaning in your grief, how do we know? Because you said this took three years? Until I connected with Susan, but I was actually doing sessions for other people and connecting with their loved ones before I actually felt Susan. And I found out later from her that was deliberate. If she had showed up right

right away, I would have said, mission accomplished. Now I know she's here. I'm done. But instead, in that three years, I opened up to adventures in expanded consciousness that left no doubt in my mind I wasn't making this up. I can tell you how. So a lot of people might say like,

you can't learn this. Meaning like my brain's not made for that. Like I'm too, I'm too much in my, you know, left hemisphere. Like that's not for me. You, you, right. So belief system. Yeah. I like that you call the belief system BS. Um, yeah. Can, can you talk a little bit, talk a little bit about

what the process is and what the discipline is of training this muscle. And when I say BS, and it means belief system in my vernacular,

Your belief system will actually block out certain experiences. If you say, I can't do that and that's not possible, then you are not going to make the effort. You may not even try. And if you try, you're going to use your own consciousness to create exactly what you think, which is no experience. And I know that reading some of those books about mediums

fascinated me. And I thought, what if, like you said, that really is real? I would love to have the personal experience of that. And that's the key right there, setting the intention for the personal experience. Because as you know, I tell quite a few somewhat hard to believe stories in my book, and every one was my personal experience

And if you trust that I wasn't lying, then that will lead you to say, what if? So once you first examine your own BS, then it's a matter of sitting quietly and slowing down the brainwaves with the breath, getting focused on just being present. I actually have a method in that book that I teach. This is it in a nutshell, breathing and then somehow relaxing.

Imagining what if I am a field of consciousness, of energy and information. If I'm going to connect with a higher frequency, then I need a higher frequency myself.

How would I generate that? Well, thoughts of gratitude have been proven by organizations such as the HeartMath organization to bring heart and brain into a coherent state. So think of what you're grateful for. Feel the difference in your energy field as you do that and know that you've just done something to raise your frequency, your vibrations.

And then what if you think, I don't want to be constricted in my human thoughts. I want to be this expansive open field. So we just expand your field with whatever visual works for you and then willingly surrender your doubts, your fears, your adult behavior that says this can't be, and maybe be a little playful, a little curious, right?

Surrender anything that's not playful and curious, but want real results and shift your focus. This is analogous to holding a remote control and pressing the button for a different channel. I simply say shift with the intention of what channel I want to go to. Something beyond normal human waking consciousness. An experience that I can verify and validate beyond normal knowing. So I shift everything.

And then you can simply sit and experience whatever happens or take a question or make a request such as, Susan, make yourself known to me, my loved one who has passed, show me that you're here. Or just simply ask some higher consciousness, some unit of consciousness, what is it I need to know right now that I don't know?

And then listen and watch and be open and notice. That's it. One of the things that is so special about this book is you literally, you give us the opportunity to learn these techniques. And, you know, I'm kind of an aficionado of trying to learn how to get in touch with other parts of myself. And, yeah.

It's very, very difficult to have that communicated, meaning I've heard other people try and tell me this is what you should do or like this is how to do it. But these practical examples are incredibly helpful. And, you know, I can't say that, you know, that I'm there, but...

I haven't heard these things explained the way you explain them in a way that people can practically use them. And I want to get into that in a little bit. I actually started using heart math and you touch on an aspect of heart math that I want to specifically focus on that elevator lift feeling. But what I first wanted you to go back to for us is...

We're in this period, you know, after Susan passes and you're in a new phase of your life, right? You've read these books. You're kind of coming out of the box, you know, that you have been in. And you're just, you're open. And I think that's kind of the word, like throughout the book. It's just like, you're all about teaching people just to be open. What if you stop saying no? What if you stop saying I can explain it, right? What if, right? Just like opening that up.

So can you talk about, and I've read the book, so I know, but can you share with our audience what you believe was the most convincing piece of evidence that you were actually accessing something, that you weren't making it up, that it wasn't all in your head? What happened that turned you from...

you know, Suzanne the explorer to Suzanne the person who has this information and can continue to teach it and be a medium. Mayim, there are so many examples of no other explanation moments. You're asking me for what was the moment. There are so many. I can remember the first time I was put on the spot and told there is someone here in the spirit world that wants to talk. What can you discern? I discerned

verifiable information about somebody in that classroom's father, including his nickname. But I thought it was I was pulling data out of the air.

Tell us about, okay, so tell us about that. I wasn't there to study mediumship. I was there to write about the mediumship teacher, Janet Nohavik, and she explained a system that you can use to connect. And I thought, wow, this isn't just something that pops out. There's a system. My left brain military side loved that. And I'm sitting there taking notes about Janet and she says, there's a spirit here, Suzanne, come on up here and bring him through or bring it through. She didn't say him or her.

oh, I could have killed her really, you know, put me on the spot like that. How do I know? I'm not...

This was, you know, I'd been meditating for two years, but I had never thought I could do this. I was only out to connect with Susan. So there I stand in front of probably 20 people staring at me, but I trusted Janet. I knew she was an outstanding evidence-based medium. If she said there was a spirit there, I was going to at least give it a go. I closed my eyes. You don't have to close your eyes, I realize now, but she said, okay, let's go through the system. Is it male or female?

And I think, well, how do I know? But I just knew I had to give an answer. So I just paid attention to what I sensed. And I just shrugged my shoulders and I said, male. And she said, all right, how did he die? And I said, I closed my eyes and I just heard cancer. So I said, well, I heard cancer. And then she's going down her little list of how old was he? And again, I'm thinking, how do I know? Because I don't see anyone. I don't feel them. And I just asked.

How old were you? And I saw the number 70 in front of my eyes. So you can see a difference now, hearing, seeing. And I reported that. And Janet's standing beside me saying, this feels right, which to me says, oh, you feel somebody? And then was it male or female? How did you die? Oh, what kind of work did he do? Oh, my gosh.

So I closed my eyes and I said, well, I just heard, and it sounded just like my thoughts. I didn't hear some male voice saying it, engineer.

So Janet said, okay, can anybody take that? And this woman raised her hand and said, my father was an engineer. He died at age 70 from cancer. Okay, can we just, okay, I'm just going to jump in here. Because like skeptical Mayim wants to be like, here, okay, I'm just going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do this. Please. Because I did too. I said, wait, what are the odds? What are the odds? Okay, so let's do a little bit of the odds. So the odds that the person is male in a heteronormative society are 50-50, right? 50-50.

50. That's what I was doing. That's what I was doing. Exactly that. So 50-50. And then, you know, what age do some people die? Exactly. You didn't say four. You said 70. Great. And then like, what's a job that a lot of 70-year-olds have? They're engineers. Great. So stay with me because I'm with you. I'm with you. And that's where I was at this place.

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And the girl said, yes, he did. And yes, it was. So my skeptical mind says, wait a minute. You mean there really is somebody here? Because I didn't feel him or see him. And Janet says, yeah, get me some more, Suzanne. And I just want to sit down. I don't remember what else. Oh, I know. I said, I see a full head.

head of white hair and the guy sitting next to her was bald. So it's not like imagining that I could see this head of white hair just flashed in my mind. I don't remember what else I said. Then Janet added something else. The girl saying yes. And Janet said, push yourself just a little more, Suzanne. And this was the moment that goes beyond cancer 70 male. I said, okay. So I just closed my eyes, trusted

And I said, well, I just saw a pair of black patent leather shoes and I heard twinkle toes. And the girl said, my dad was a ballroom dancer and wore black patent leather shoes. And my mother always called him twinkle toes.

That's pretty fucking specific. Yes, ma'am. And now there were no, I couldn't explain that. I couldn't explain it at all. I said, Janet, I don't want to sit in the back of the room and take notes about you. I want to be a student in this class. I want to learn more. I want to learn more.

And then I learned some, I did so well in the class. I said, I want to go study where you studied in England. I want to know how to get evidence like you got birthdays and ball cap collections. And I'm not going to go and do this unless I feel them because I don't want to feel like I'm pulling data out of the air. And I can tell you now, I'm not going to do that.

I feel them and I communicate real time. It's not just thoughts. We laugh together. They say funny things. They're creative. They're clever. They tell me things that even their loved one doesn't know and has to validate later. They give me physical symptoms in my body that match how they died. I'm like the human pin cushion.

I'm willing to do that because it's so evidential. There is no doubt in my mind, this is real. What I think is important is the idea of skeptical belief that gets proven over time. Yes. Because you can have this experience and be wowed. And obviously, you had a big shift from

Is this real to the level of specificity that came through in that moment is going to change your openness. But it doesn't necessarily erase the skepticism because every time there is not information,

and you have to get information, there is a moment of disbelief. It's like, oh, it's the left brain is still here. Every time I sit, I have to listen to it and say, you just go offline a little because you're giving me doubts. And that's just what it does. So we just learn to override that and just tune into what's here and see what the evidence presents.

And for people, you know, we have an audience that has a wide variety of backgrounds.

Some of them have had experiences that mimic or mirror what we're talking about. And others come to the channel because this is a science-based channel with a neuroscientist who's going to talk about facts and reality. And I kind of do air quotes around reality. I thought you were going to do air quotes around scientists. Well, that's it. Oh, no. But...

The reason for this on this channel is starting to say, well, what is reality and what is in the realm of possible? What can be studied? What can be understood? We know from the neuroscientist Jill Bolte-Taylor

neuroanatomist. She had a stroke, parts of her brain went offline, and she was forced to quiet the left hemisphere of her brain. When that happened, she had enormous access to the right side hemisphere of her brain. And in that, she began to explore in ways that she wouldn't normally have otherwise been able to.

When I'm hearing a lot of what you say, if I have to kind of summarize just at a high level, most of us were trained in this world to operate only from the left hemisphere of our brain. And so we don't actually know what is available in the right hemisphere. We don't know what we don't know. And it's so much fun to explore as long as it's helpful in healing. And it's hard to quantify these in scientific studies.

But what we're actually exploring is just dipping our toes in curiously to say what exists there. Sam Harris, who we've spoken to, talks about you can understand meditation. You can do all the practices of meditation for your resting heart rate to improve your

reduce your anxiety, but actually you're missing the point if you're pursuing meditation for that result because you're missing the larger question of what we're here on earth to experience. Yes. And that's the point I want to make. This is not a show about mediumship per se. I have a new book called Mediumship, but I don't want to have it all come back to just mediumship. Mediumship is just one path.

pathway and a beautiful one that gives evidence that we are part of a greater reality. And what does that mean for us? The number one challenge

that leads to all of the challenges we as humans face is the belief that we are separate and the belief that we are separate from the source from which we arise. Call it consciousness, call it God. The feeling that we are separate from that and separate from each other. That's what's causing all of our conflict and challenges and pain and grief, all of it. Another man of science, Dr. Neil Theis,

also explains using a very evidentiary approach

explains that on the molecular level, we are all part of something greater than ourselves, which is mirroring what you're talking about. So again, moving it away from mediumship, which again is one expression of what the right brain may be, a hemisphere of the brain may be capable of when the left hemisphere is quieted. We could also say that we are all imbued with a level of animalistic instinct that for humans,

to be able to participate in society is kind of bred out of us. It may be that our instinct puts us in the right place at the right time for the right job opportunity, for the right love relationship, that we're here to learn, expand, and grow, and by disconnecting from our right hemisphere activity,

We lose that ability and then we feel lost. We feel purposeless. We're not sure what actually makes us feel joyful and hopeful. And we're only going about trying to find our way and navigating through a very logical, reasonable, practical mechanism. And that isn't to say that we don't need a merger of both of these. Sometimes it's intuition matched with intellect. Sometimes it's an intuition that just you have to take a step forward in order for it to reveal itself.

But, you know, I'm just I guess I'm summarizing this before we dive even deeper to try and pull those people along who are like, wait a second. Why? What are we doing here? I call it 21st century spirituality that the train has left the station. Science now knows we're all connected. They finally gave the Nobel Prize in physics, as you know, but to the experiments about entanglement.

And those experiments took place three decades ago, I believe, and it took them until 2022 to acknowledge there is a fundamental underlying connectivity of all that is. And mediumship and other spiritual paths have known this for a long time. So let's just merge the two and say, okay, so what? So what? Yeah, so what?

So one of the things that you talk about actually pretty early in the book, and I was really excited when I came across this, was when you talked about some of your early attempts to access energies, as it were. And what you said was when you entertain thoughts of those with whom you're entangled, whether in a body or not,

Your thoughts excite the shared energetic field that your interactions over time have created. And I had to read that twice. Your thoughts excite the shared energetic field that your interactions over time have created. If the person you're thinking about is sensitive, they will pick up

on your energetic signature and can think of you in return. And I was thinking about this because love is sometimes one of the most specific ways that people can start to believe in something bigger than themselves, right? You can have the biggest skeptic, the biggest left brain person. When you feel that swell in your heart, when you're in love, when you're attracted to someone, when you think about someone, when you're not with them,

What if, you know, that is the speck of the beginning of understanding what connection means? Can you talk a little bit about this level of really interpersonal? I mean, entanglement can can have a negative connotation, but it's a connection.

That's what it is. And it's a connection actually beyond the material world. That's what quantum physics showed with that entanglement experiment. One subatomic particle has changed, the other one instantly changes, not within time. So some mediums believe that the communication that takes place with us and people without a body is a process.

radio signal that takes time. I say it happens outside of time. It's instantaneous, the communication. And the same thing happens here because all of us are actually existing outside of space and time at the same time we are within it. That's the paradox. That's the duality. So when you have a thought of someone, could it be that they just thought of you?

I can give you so many examples of that. For example, stopping at a traffic light behind a white Mustang and turning to my husband and saying, oh, remember when I was back at the Pentagon and I had that white Mustang and I sold it to Petty Officer Smith? He said, yeah, the next day.

I get an email from Petty Officer Smith, who I completely lost contact with, haven't talked to in over a decade. And she says, hey, Commander, I was just thinking about you. So I looked you up online. Boy, has your life changed.

So you're Petty Officer Smith. You just happen to think of your old boss from the Pentagon and look her up. I know why she thought of me after all that time, because I saw the car and clearly something in my field of consciousness activated me.

the signals of our previous interactions, she picked up on it. Is that true for everyone? Or is it because you are more in touch that you can send out, you know, it's like, it's Radar Love, that song, right? It's like, you know, we've got a light in the sky. It is true for everyone. You live with somebody long enough, don't you start picking up their thoughts? Don't you know what they're going to say before they say it often? It's absolutely true for everyone. Just, um,

That was before I was as sensitive as I am now. My poor husband, I pick up on so much, but not everything. We are fields, individuated units of consciousness arising from one field of consciousness. So we are a pattern of frequencies in one field of consciousness that is identified as us. And within that pattern, some of that energy information arises.

becomes a bit more dense, and we call that a body. And that's operating within space and time. But our actual field is beyond space and time. And that's the connection. I call lack of separation love. That's my definition for love. Total connection.

And that's why I love what you said earlier about that, you know, that when that heart swells, when you feel that connection, we call that love. But we actually already are all connected beyond space and time. Okay, so let's go into that. You actually, you mention it very specifically in the book. Sorry, I'm just, I definitely read the book and dog-eared most of the pages. What you said is...

If you take the time to truly question reality, you will discover that everything that exists are experiences of the one mind of awareness seen through different viewpoints. What we call normal waking consciousness is only one viewpoint that awareness can take. Other lenses through which you, as awareness, experience reality while in human form are, you say, dreams and meditation and

body work, and psychedelic substances. So anyone who has had a psychedelic experience that is transcendental probably is really vibing with what Suzanne is talking about. Anyone who's done deep, in particular, trauma work that gets into your body and helps you kind of find sources of things has experienced this. And there are certain kinds of meditation, not the kind that's like,

breathe and exhale and do that for two minutes. And then you meditated today, which those are very important ways to learn about meditation. But we're talking about a different kind of meditation. So these are all of the states that people, again, for thousands of years have talked about experiencing. And this is what's fascinating to me. And this is to me what gives your work a

the importance, the significance, and the credence that it deserves is that what you describe through mediumship is the same thing that is described through all of these other avenues. So how many ways do we need to get this message that there is a larger consciousness than ours, than the one that we can perceive, that the source of all of us

is a pure, unified, loving presence that wants everyone's highest good. And yes, humans do bad things and we create religions that try and explain this and try and channel it and turn it into a bureaucratic corporate structure. But above and beyond all of that, literally, because it is not just on a physical plane of beyond, of above, it is beyond. Above and beyond that,

There is a oneness that is the source of all of this. And we're just in meat suits trying to

trying to make sense of it and like get into our cars and be annoyed with people on the freeway and build buildings and all these things. But how many ways can we get to something? If Suzanne's getting to the same thing that Neil Thies is and that a Buddhist monk is and that people on psychedelic experiences that are transcendental and transformative get to, Suzanne gets to be right too. That's just me being like, you're all talking about the same thing.

Absolutely. And Neil, who's it? Boom. David Boom, the physicist. He called it all undivided wholeness in flowing motion. We're the flow, right? We're flowing like the ocean and the waves. That's such a cliched example these days, but it's very accurate. The waves aren't separate from the ocean. We are the undulations.

I have a little sign up here. You can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf. The whole point of living the awakened way is mastering surfing. That's why we came here, to master getting along with the other waves for the experience of it. Yeah, we're not doing too well these days, but yeah. We've told the story before.

in our Michael Singer episode, Lyme and I had lost touch for about six years. And the day before we reconnected, I was in Austin, Texas.

And I was talking about her. And I was talking about Michael Singer, his book, The Untethered Soul, because one of my beliefs is that that book is almost the most plain and simple entry point into understanding our thoughts. You know, he comes from a very logical background as an economist. And the way he writes, I just found, you know, if you don't know anything, or you're just getting into the topic, like that's a great entry point.

And I was describing to a room of people who were in the medical field and they were trying to start a company to help human health. And I said, one of the things that you really need to do is to bridge the mind-body connection and start to get people in touch with something other than their practical. We also need to bridge the logical side of people's brain by giving them enough information so that they may be able to chew on it. Some people, it

They need something for the left brain to do, not just be quiet. You know, they could say, what's the narrative that's happening to me? And I said, well, you know, it would be really helpful to explain the neuroscience of this. And, you know, who do I know that does that? Well, I know the only neuroscientist I knew was Maim. And I'm talking about this to a room of 25 people and we're going, you know, a whole day experience. The next day in the morning,

After six years. I emailed. Been a long time. Happy New Year. Have you read the book, Michael Singer's Untethered Soul? It was, and I'm going to, let me tell my side of it. So my side of it is Jonathan and I were friends years ago when our kids were young. And then he moved away and there were no cell phones then. And we kept in touch like here and there by email. And we lost touch. Like just, you know, our kids were growing up and we were busy with other things. And

My health started unwinding, as I'm sure you probably have worked with a lot of people whose health starts unwinding as other messages try and get in from the universe and you keep fighting them and your body will start unwinding itself. So my body kind of started unwinding and I had to have vocal cord surgery, which is, you know, the ultimate, I called it God grounding you in the deepest way because you cannot speak and

And I had, you know, youngish kids at the time. It was very challenging. I'm a divorced mom and, you know, I'm the one taking care of them and can't speak, you know, for a couple months. It was really, really fascinating time. But in the week after my surgery, my ex-husband was going to have the kids as I recovered. And for whatever reason, I decided to pull out a book that Jonathan had given me, I mean, almost a decade before.

And I just thought like, while I'm recovering from this surgery, I should read a book that I like. I've always wanted to read, you know? So I gathered this book and it was a Peter Levine book about trauma being held in the body.

And I gathered that book and I gathered this Untethered Soul book. I thought I should reach out to Jonathan. I did not know it had been six years. I thought it had maybe been a year. And what he responded was, I fell off my chair when I got this email. And I thought, well, that seems like kind of an exaggerated response. Like what's going on on that end?

I call that a God wink. Right. So that that was how Jonathan and I reconnected. And the real question is who incepted who in this dynamic? That's right. And what if it happened simultaneously beyond time?

We often ask that question, but it could be because you are all one. Boom, this will be fun. That's our quintessential inception story. And I guess a related question, you know, if someone is not tapping into information from the universe that keeps kind of trying to make its way in, I guess that's sort of the framing that I wonder if you can address.

That will keep coming up. Absolutely. Why do people divorce someone and then marry the same kind of person again and then again? Because we're radiating a part of our field that wants to reach wholeness. So it's looking for opportunities to achieve wholeness through healing, through love.

experiencing. So we do attract into our lives challenges that provide the opportunity to achieve wholeness. Okay, this is really helpful because by the same token, I wonder if you can talk about, there's going to be a spectrum of sensitivities.

right? Like some people are more receptive than others. Some people are more open than others, you know, like for those of us who are highly sensitive people, right? We might be more kind of susceptible. And if we don't know about the things that your book talks about, right? If we don't know about this

other, you know, source of our like conscious experience and the divine love and all these things. If we don't know that what our lives can be like is what a lot of people describe before they learn to tap into something greater than themselves. Meaning you'll hear a lot of people who are like, I turned to like the craziest, most out there, holistic,

you know, response because Western medicine couldn't help me. I kept getting sick. I kept picking up on things like I couldn't function, right? Like, you know, I have friends who don't want to live in places with a lot of EMF towers. And part of me is like, are you nuts?

And the other part of me is like, maybe you're picking up on something that I don't, or maybe I'm picking up on it. And that's why my body's doing what it's doing. Can you talk a little bit about sort of the difference in natural sensitivity that people have and where and how we can learn to tap into that?

There's no doubt about a different sensitivity. I've taught thousands of students the processes for connecting with higher consciousness. And it's so fascinating to see those students who just look at me and say, well, of course, the spirit world is real. I've seen them my whole life.

I see them with my own eyes. That's their reality. And then there are others that don't think they have this ability and have a huge breakthrough right in one of my classes. Oh, my God, I got information that I couldn't possibly tap into. And then there are those that keep trying and trying and trying, and their sensitivity is much lower. And it depends on how much commitment they have. So you are absolutely right. I can't dismiss what anybody else's reality is. Oh, yeah.

Right. I'm sorry, but I do get snags and I just... What was it? What was it? It was... Wait, hang on a second. What did you just say? And then I just completely lost it. Okay. What was that? Man, that was fleeting. Sorry. That doesn't use... I don't usually get something good and then lose it that quickly. But...

I'm sorry, completely lost it. You'll have to ask me another question. It'll come back. It'll come back if it's supposed to. Well, you were talking about, you know, for some people, it's not as easy to access this stuff. And I wonder if we can get into a little bit of the practicalities. So I was very...

you know, skeptical when I got to part two of this book, because I'm just going to be really honest with you. I didn't really know about you until, you know, I got this book and we got to talk to you. And I was like, what's this lady going to teach me in a book? This is ridiculous, right? So I read the first part of the book and was very moved. And in particular, the last page before you get to the practices in the book, you list all of the things that you say the soul wants you to celebrate.

And the first thing was, you're not only human, you're a unique expression of the one divine mind. And I was like, that tracks. I got it, right? There is no death.

Only endings and beginnings of chapters in the eternal journey of awareness. And I was like, yep, this is good. And I went through this whole list. Every experience is temporary. There's nothing to fear. You're never alone. You can find your innate connection with all that is. Breathing, relaxing, reaching out for assistance. You're not judged for your mistakes. You are cherished beyond measure. And I was like, I cannot wait to see what part two brings.

So I get to part two and sure enough, you literally have exercises that you take people through. It reminded me of the Akashic Records instructions. So Jonathan and I have talked about the Akashic Records, which, you know, is a conceptual library of all the experiences that have ever existed in the world.

And the idea is that if, you know, space and time is all an illusion, you know, you can cut into space and time the way Elizabeth Crone, who was struck by lightning and had a near-death experience and spoke about on this show. She said time is like a layer cake.

You can just slice into it and see all of the different things that were, are, and will be. Shout out to one of the Hebrew names for God, which is an acronym for I was, I am, and I always will be. That's actually what God's name is when it's declared at the burning bush moment. Anyway, sorry, long lead in.

So I get to these instructions and it reminded me of the ways that you're taught to go into the Akashic Records, which is an elaborate meditative process. It's not just like close your eyes, count to 10, take a deep breath.

It is a process by which we know the science of what you're instructing us to do. You are teaching all of the brainwaves that can access things that typically we would only reach in that in-between dreaming state. You are training us to put our minds there. If you try and do all of these things without getting to that place, you won't get there.

Like, it's not just like, read the book and see if you can feel it. You're teaching people how to,

to move their brain into a state of being open, not judgmental, not critical, and really essentially opening your awareness. Talk about how you came up with the concept for all these methods. Like I love the bless me method. I wore my mala beads today because I want to try that one that you did. Engaging your higher helpers. I mean,

These are unbelievable. Talk about this part of the book. My husband's the one that said, Suzanne, you need to be teaching mediumship. And I just, I went kicking and screaming. I just didn't want to do it, but

All of a sudden, after he said that and I said, no, I'm not going to do it. I started getting a download. I needed paper. I started writing down. He said, what are you doing? I said, I'm getting the syllabus right now. And it just this is how you're going to teach it. Just boom, boom, boom. And I asked spirit because that's what I've learned to do. Ask higher consciousness, somebody with a bigger picture.

what is it that I do when I sit to do a reading for someone? What are the steps I go through? And I looked at it systematically and went through everything and started teaching it that way. Everything I do, I just really dive into how can we say this succinctly? How can we use analogies so people really get it? How can we make this practical? And I've had so many students tell me they studied with other teachers who say, okay, let's all go sit down and now connect with the spirit. And

if somebody had said that to me, I would have said, but how? So I wanted to head that off, you know, and then we got in and we said, this is how you do it. And I've taught, like I said, thousands. And I've only had two people ever say, why do you need that whole process? They're just here. You just talk to them. And I said, well, boy, are you lucky? But most people don't have that ability. Yeah. I wonder if you could talk, one of the things that happens a lot in these description of these exercises is,

is you talk about getting into a place where you can receive information. And I don't know the difference between receiving information and just thinking. Oh, this is so huge. Yeah. So can you explain what that difference is? Yes.

Right now, where do you feel that your work, the communication is taking place? Where are you hearing me and seeing me? So I hear you in my ears and I'm speaking with my mouth. And it's probably being processed somewhere in the middle right there behind your eyes, right? That's where, and that's where thinking feels like it's taking place. So this shift is,

What is super helpful is to say, all right, I'm going to go and I'm going to receive without thinking. So pretend there's an elevator in this inside your body. I'm going to do this right now. Like you're going to walk me through it. Okay. Just pretend you're an elevator and the elevators right now on the sixth floor, right between your eyes. And we're just going to lower it down to say like, we'll call it the fourth floor. Just lower it till you're in the chest area.

pretend, imagine you're perceiving the world. You're perceiving any experience from that floor, from that heart area. Don't think emotional heart with love and fear and anger and joy and all that. Don't think that. Just be in that shaft, that elevator shaft right there behind the heart right now. And what if you could perceive from here?

Let's perceive what do I need to know right now? You don't know. So just receive from there. That's the space. That's hard. It's hard. It takes practice. Well, it's hard because what's happening is what Michael Singer talks about is my brain just keeps talking. Like it keeps...

chattering at me. And this is what, you know, again, the great meditation masters teach us is that like, that's not you, right? That's not me. There's a next step. There's a next step. So what you do is you acknowledge what the brain wants to do. You set the intention to hold awareness in the heart because it's going to pop right back up to the brain. And you say, I'm just going to notice what

what I experience. And I talk in the book about your stuff that comes up all the time, where that's an acronym. Sensations, thoughts, feelings. Sensations, thoughts, and feelings. So I would sit from the beginning when I was trying to connect with Susan initially, and I'd say, Susan, reveal yourself to me. But I didn't, I wasn't going to the heart. Now I do, and it makes it so much easier. I didn't know that at the time. I've learned that that center is the center of our universal core.

So you now say, Susan, reveal yourself to me or spirit talk to me, or what do I need to know right now? And you watch and you listen and you say, Oh, there's a thought. I'm not doing this right. That's a thought. I notice it. I let it go, go back to listening. And the thought is,

Oh, my mind's so busy. Ah, that's a thought. I'm going to let that go. And you notice, and you can catalog as you go, that gives the left brain something to do. Like, oh, now my nose itches. Oh, that's a sensation. Let it go. Go back to being. And then all of a sudden there's, you didn't do something this morning. And that's

a thought that's helpful, but you didn't know what you didn't know, but the voice is absolutely correct. You were supposed to do something and you didn't know it. And then you say, wait, that stood out. That wasn't my thought. So if it wasn't my thought, where did it come from? It's a training in focus and noticing what stands out.

Jonathan feels things all the time and he taps into things all the time. And I sometimes poke fun at him. Jonathan, is what Suzanne is describing what you just intuitively know how to do? I don't know. I'm not sure how to answer that question. I definitely have my thinking brain, but information will come in that feels just like a very clear knowing.

And that knowing is not necessarily always a rational, logical thing. And I can apply rational or logical thinking to justify it and merge the two. But often it just is like someone suggests something and it's like a hard no, like that path will lead us not to the desired end result. Or there's a sense of static in what someone says. And it feels like either...

the larger goal that we're trying to get to. These are often in business situations or even in life situations where it's like, should we go to this place today? And like, I would have a clear knowing that like, oh, that's going to throw everything off and result in us, you know, either having a lot of friction in the day or not having the relaxation and the time that we want together. And I don't have a plan of what else we should be doing.

It's just I know that that suggestion is going to not yield a positive result. So, Suzanne, what's the difference between what you're talking about and intuition? Or is it the same thing? And what's the difference between what you're talking about and just, I don't think I should do that?

Okay, first part, the difference between intuition is the voice of higher consciousness. It's a knowing. And what Jonathan was describing, that knowing that goes beyond thinking, that is coming from the field. I'm going to call it the larger consciousness, the greater consciousness. And what you said, the latter thing, I don't think I should be doing this. That could come from thinking. It could be either.

Those shoulds are tricky. I'll give another example. I recently hired someone to help on a creative project. And from the moment his name was introduced, I had a feeling I'm like, I don't know that this is the right person. But all the logical, rational reasons, none of that justified it.

recommended referrals from someone we trusted as a mutual friend. This person is great, worked with him many times. I'm going to suspend my disbelief because sometimes I'm accused of being a little rigid. I have a call with them. I've had some emails. I have some correspondence. The sense is only getting stronger that this person is not the right fit for the project.

Again, go through the paces, end up bringing the person in person, meeting them, having a full day together. At the end of the day, I'm left without the result that I would like.

having to find someone else to come in and help to take it to the next level. And like, maybe there was a piece that was provided. And you know, so I could say, oh, my expectations were too high to get the thing done. But for me, it's like, no, that internal knowing that I had right from the start, every time I do not follow that, and I give the benefit of the doubt, I end up it's not a catastrophic issue. Like these are all resolvable. But

I've seen over and over and over again that even without proof, that tension, that knowing of, I don't think that this is the right fit, is almost always bears out to be the case. And it's very hard to explain to people, this isn't going to, because there's no logical evidence. I want Suzanne to explain what this is. Okay, well, you're part of a larger field. Most people think this skin is where I end.

But that is not the case. And this is what science shows. And this is what expanded states of consciousness state. So you are tapping into aspects of consciousness beyond physical senses.

And the information is here and you feel it as a knowing. It's actually quite simple. Okay. So I'd love for you to talk, Suzanne, a little bit more about, quote, people like Jonathan. And I'm not saying this in a disparaging way, but other things that happen when people have this strong sense of knowing is they often are sensitive to others' grief.

They often are sensitive to things that a lot of people think is cuckoo, like electromagnetic fields or lots of cell towers around them, right? These people are often, you know, often described as

exceptionally sensitive people. So instead of us sort of pathologizing that. Disparaging it, right? Right, disparaging it or like you need medication or you're bipolar or you can't handle life. What's a different way that we can look at people who, for example, feel everyone's grief might seem a little bit rigid in some ways because they're sensing a lot of other things. How do we frame that?

Okay, great. Loving analogies.

We could say that we all understand how cell phones work and that one cell phone, because of where you are, might be with mine right now has two bars, but yours might have four bars. Your phone is more sensitive. Your receiver is more attuned than mine. And that's what's going on here. I don't know if you recall. Well, if you read the book, you did read about the young man named Wolf, who I talk about in there and people he was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

And yet he's the most powerful soul I brought through from the other side. He's the one that led to all of the Awaken Way teaching, my connections with him. And he explained it after the information he gave me was verified at the University of Arizona Laboratory of Human Consciousness. He explained he was in two worlds at once and it was very noisy in his head. Wow.

And historically, those people would be shamans. What we diagnose as schizophrenia... Or a mental institution. No, but I'm saying in indigenous tribes, people who can see and perceive different worlds, they're not institutionalized. They are given an environment in which to dispense wisdom. Yeah.

And I'm not saying that schizophrenia doesn't exist. I'm not saying it's like something that everyone needs to, you know, be walking around on Medicaid. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that culture also has different ways that we frame these abilities. And in our culture, it is very, very disturbing when people imply that they can tap into a universal field of consciousness like you can't.

And that's why we do it the gentle way. I haven't had psychedelic experiences or plant medicine, and I don't care to. I like the gentle way of meditation. And yet I've still had some experiences that kind of jar me, but I've learned that it is a benevolent field and not to be afraid of anything.

And it leads to greater awareness, which really, I don't know how much time we have, but I don't want to miss out on the big so what about tapping into higher consciousness. Jonathan, you're doing it. You're getting that guidance. This is not the right person for the job. How does it help us beyond seeing the innate connection and loving each other more? We get guidance on the fly. We live in a state of flow, right?

I no longer set goals. I don't worry about being late for things. I'm guided. I can ask, what time do I need to leave? And what's the next step? It's the guidance that I get as part of a team. It's not like I'm a puppet. Although the guidance is so clear, I'll just say sometimes, go ahead, pull my strings. You really can take your hands off the wheel metaphorically and be guided and get the higher perspective.

Yeah, there's no doubt. It's a beautiful way to live, but we need to make that shift repeatedly throughout the day and realize, ah, I don't have the bigger picture right now. What if I can just shift and say, what's the next step? What's the next best thing? What should I be reading next? And these kind of tools, they can work for anyone. You don't need to devote 10 hours a day to meditation to use these tools. Right. Right.

I wonder if you can talk a little bit about challenges. You know, you've obviously, you know, experienced, you know, some tragedies and people experience very challenging things. And the world can be a very scary place. And many people don't have enough money to pay rent. You know, like there's a lot of stress in our world. I wonder if you can give us some advice about

you know, turning kind of tragedy into an opportunity. What if you knew you weren't alone? What if you knew that loving beings are here to help you? What if your loved ones who have passed, who you have a loving relationship with are actually still here at a different channel, trying to give you advice and let you know it's okay and hold your hand through this. How would that change things? So,

We learn certain phrases to stop that mind from going to old patterns of operating. One of the simplest ones is so, it seems almost trivial, but it works for big things and little things. And that's to simply say when something goes wrong or is a big challenge, isn't that interesting?

You could say that for a terrible challenge or you just spilled something on the floor. Isn't that interesting? Gives you a moment to pause and now shift and say, what is a higher perspective to take here than my normal pattern? I was given early morning hours just a few days ago, the most fun example of how to reframe what's going on. We turn to our telephones and

and mine's probably going to act up when I say this, but we say, hey, Siri, and we ask this objective universe for solutions. When we're really missing out on two little letters there that'll bring peace and tranquility, we're missing the P and the T. Add P and T to hey, Siri, and instead say, hey, spirit. Hey, spirit, which is what many people have trained themselves to do. It's my first go-to now.

If I need a fact, if I need to understand something factual, I'll go to Siri. But for everything else, I've learned, just like Einstein knew, no challenge is solved at the level at which it was created. And all of our challenges are at this human, physical, space-time reality. Very real. I don't diminish anybody's grief or pain or sorrow or challenges. And yet, there is a higher reality.

where we're not judged, where the solutions lie. And we can say, hey, spirit, help me out here. We call that prayer. I call it asking. Just ask. Huh. I think a lot of people are afraid of that. You know, I think a lot of people are afraid that they will, you know, fly off into the hippie dippy universe, lose their job, you know, not be able to function. Jonathan looks like he's doing pretty well.

Well, it's an interesting topic. And I think it's very different now than ever before. But I started exploring altered states of consciousness naturally when I was 17 years old.

And I started experiencing energy. The first time I experienced it was in a four-day workshop when I was totally emotionally shut down, living in very intense grief and depression from a family tragedy. And I felt nothing. It was not safe to feel emotion. And I was totally shut down.

At the end of these four days, I felt something pulsing that like blew the regular conscious mind open. And all of a sudden, the rabbit hole started to expand. And I went deeper and deeper into that for 25 years. However, it was extremely lonely because when I would try to communicate to kids my age, and I really struggled between...

This internal experience that felt really real, that I would connect with people that I was working with that felt really real, and the network of practitioners that I was a part of felt very real, but in the rest of the world felt like I couldn't talk about it, or I was making things up still. Now I've really circled back, and I feel like I've circled back to my late teens, early 20s, and the conversation in society is very different, and still that part of me from when I was a kid

is hesitant to talk about it, is hesitant to talk about muscle testing, is hesitant to talk about getting intuitive information and being guided and why I make decisions. And I still feel myself even now, just dipping my toe into the water of actually talking and sharing, even with Mayim, who I spend a lot of time with, how I operate and how I feel and sense in the world.

And it's so beautiful when you can actually look at that and honor that part in you that is fearful of what others will think. And then honor the part in you that just is so joyous and says, God, I love when I feel that energy in my hands. And if it's your real calling to go do Reiki for people or other things, go for it.

then you'll push past that human side. It's all part of the journey and nobody's judging you on the other side. So that's why we came here for the yin and the yang and the human side and the soul side. I talk about the human soul dial in the book, you know, you just have your human side dialed up a little bit, but the soul side saying, Hey, we love playing over here and you're just going to find the right balance. It's all good. Speaking of kind of tapping into that, that feeling, um,

You know, you mentioned heart math and you talk about this kind of lift moment that is a sensation. And this is very new to me. I'm 48 years old. This was a completely new concept to me. And I wonder if you can maybe talk us through even a mini version of that exercise of trying to find

what that feeling is, how to regenerate it and why people need to learn how to do this. Okay. We're going to use a little bit of the physiology to help with that. So we already just use a metaphor of this, this, the main channel of life force through you would be like an elevator shaft. And most of the time we're thinking, so our consciousness seems to be located behind the eyes. We can move it to the heart area. And this thinking actually slows down when we practice being and

That's descending in the elevator, but to connect with higher consciousness, what if there is a field of vibration, a channel on the spectrum, this network that we're part of that is beyond the body?

but we're still connected at the center through this shaft. And so we take the elevator shaft and go up beyond the seventh floor, eighth floor, nine, 10. What if there's, we can tap into something way up here. So when we close our eyes and we say shift, imagine the elevator going up, but also roll your eyes up in the head as your eyes are closed, roll them up. Oh, I can't do it without getting that elevator lift.

You know what the physiology is. You may know this, Mayim. As you roll your eyes up in your head, it triggers alpha waves. So you're giving yourself a little help at generating the brainwave state that's optimal for connecting with higher consciousness. Don't hold them up there once you roll up your eyes. That hurts after a while. But just as you say shift and the elevator goes up quite a few floors, roll your eyes up.

Oh, I love that feeling. And people may not feel it right away because if you're kind of gunked up with human stuff, that can get in the way. And luckily there are tools in the book for clearing out the dense stuff. Yeah. And the other notion that you kind of talk about, I think in the previous exercise, but also kind of goes through to that one is when you think of something pleasant that you enjoy or love,

and your body naturally does that like little flutterily, like lifty feeling. It's kind of like, it's not just butterflies in your stomach. It's like when you see someone that you love and you're like, oh, there they are. It's that feeling is this regenerative feeling that this kind of meditation is encouraging you to perpetuate. And, you know, there are certain yogic practices

where you literally roll your eyes so that you're looking at what would be the inside of your forehead, right? And they say it's pineal gland. It's the stimulation of the pineal gland, which is a regulatory kind of process that you're physiologically engaging in. So that's

I mean, that was really one of my favorite parts of the book because I was like, you're teaching people how to do that on their own. You don't need to go to a facility. You don't need to pay money for a course. Like you can generate, you generate this feeling all the time when you see your beloved dog, like when your dog greets you in the morning and it's like so freaking happy to see you and you feel that like, oh,

Somebody loves me. Like that feeling, if you can keep that going in a meditation, it literally calms down your nervous system. It is activating this parasympathetic ability that your body has to calm the F down and be able to have access

to things outside of your thoughts, your ego, your obsessions, your worries. And that's why people who meditate all the time, like they're not just on drugs. They are high on the chemistry that your body already has

to make you feel better, even when things are hard. It doesn't take away your autoimmune condition. It doesn't take away the strife that you're in. It doesn't take away sadness, but it gives you the resources to be able to handle that and to see it in this larger context of I'm okay. We're okay. And I actually was able to tap into it after the election because

you know, whether certain things went, quote, your way or not, I had this feeling that like,

This is what it is and it's going to be okay. Meaning in the larger scope of the universe, I can't control it. I can't change it, right? It's not for me to do, but we are all still going to have to get up every morning, feed our kids, take them to school, buy groceries, like deal with things. And on another level that is above and beyond our comprehension, everything's fine. We are a blip.

in the universe. This election is a blip in the universe. That's it. And that's why the book's called The Awakened Way. That's the mentality that will help us then get higher guidance that will help us work together. But ultimately knowing that this may hurt, whatever you're going through may suck, but...

there is a higher perspective that has peace inherent in it. Yes. I want to return to the question that I asked you early in the episode. It was 9-11, and you're standing at the Pentagon, and you're seeing what has happened. And I asked what that Suzanne...

And I wonder if you can tell us what the awakened way Suzanne would feel, because one of the Malabide exercises that you have where you receive names of individuals or types of individuals, one of the examples that you give is what if the word terrorist was

to you during a meditation where you are wishing goodness, joy, and an understanding, what do you do with that word? I want you to tell us your response, like kind of coupled with...

what Suzanne now believes about what happens. Yes. You asked me before, and I see the wisdom in that question because the old answer was I couldn't understand how people could do that to each other. The awakened way, Suzanne absolutely knows that

hurt people hurt people, that when we do things that hurt others, it's out of ignorance of our innate interconnectivity. It's from being blinded to the fact that we all arise from the same source. That's it. So one of the prayers I pray is forgive me for ever thinking I was anything less than love.

When I forget that I am connected to all that is, I do stupid things. I cause other people to feel pain. And that's the only prayer I can offer at that time. It was out of ignorance. So it's completely reframed that for me. And I think that's what our listeners will find so inspiring, that there is no challenge that supersedes

being in touch with something bigger than yourself that you call joy or source. Some people call God. I don't care if you just call it whatever you're not, right? It's something that's not of my making. And there is no challenge that we are given that cannot be soothed or healed by this kind of path.

And that is so challenging to impart to people who are so, so engaged in the story. I'm dealing with that right now. And it's why I'm a little more subdued than I normally am in an interview. I got very emotional at the beginning of the interview. I'm normally joyful and light and airy, but there's so many people hurting right now and it's touching me in a very close way.

And I just sit and say, I know there is a greater reality. I know there's purpose in these conflicts right now. It will eventually bring us to joy with a capital J, God with a capital G. Yeah, I know this. And that abiding trust and knowing that comes beyond thinking, that's here in the heart center where we all are connected. So that is the gift.

of this path. Well, Suzanne Giesemann, it's been such a pleasure to talk to you. And I'm just, you know, personally so grateful for all that you have experienced and what you've learned from your experiences that you share with so many others. And we really appreciate you also tolerating our skepticism and our poking at you and are trying to frame it with physics and quantum mechanics. And those are the things that

you know, for us, we have to do because that's how I'm wired. It's how so many of us are wired. But like I said, how many ways do you want to be told? You know, there's one source. It's God. It's love. And Elizabeth Crone experienced it laying on a pavement in Texas after being struck by lightning. You can tap into it all the time. Some of us need a little more support to do it, but I don't know how many other ways we can

We can get the message to people. This seems to be the universal kind of way that we're being directed to understand our experience.

That's it. I often say, because my stepdaughter died, does somebody have to die before we come to this awareness? And sometimes they do. But hopefully through shows like this, people will do their own exploring and get into expanded states and do it the kinder, gentler way. But there's purpose in all of it. So thank you. I'm wondering if someone is going through something right now that seems unmanageable, that they don't see a higher perspective and they're in the real process of struggle,

What message would you have for that person? Aren't you stronger now from challenges you've had in the past? Be able to know that there will be something that comes from this, something good. Be willing to surrender and say, I need help, even if that's to others or to a higher power. Ask and you shall receive. Truly, you are not alone. Beautiful. And where can people find you?

Suzanne Giesemann.com and check out my free app. Go on your phone and look for awakened way.

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Okay, cool. Thank you, Suzanne. Really a pleasure to talk to you. Really a pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you. Awesome. Jonathan, how's it feeling? We just had someone on who many people may not relate to in terms of her way of getting where she gets there. But in terms of having access to something bigger than ourselves, I wonder how you're feeling since you're a person who talks about this a lot in your daily life.

You have feelings about things. I almost want to bring it back to far more practical matters. Instead of connecting to something greater than ourselves and feeling a level of intercosmic consciousness and connection to everything that is,

I want to think about it in terms of like, how do I feel less stressed? Well, but I think in a roundabout way, you know, we've spoken to a lot of people on this podcast who have had exceptionally challenging lives. Many of those people have gone on journeys to heal from trauma, to get over addiction. And what

people keep circling back around to is that the ability to cope with all of those things is magnified when you have a different perspective about our existence. And philosophy has known this for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, right? Mystics have known this.

But there's something about our stubborn humanness right now at this moment in time that seems to want to be the last holdout. Like, I'm going to figure it out. I'm going to take this course. I'm going to find out how to, you know, win favor with people. I'm going to try and buy my way to happiness.

I'm going to try and plastic surgery my way to some sense of perfection. We've got all these other ways that we're trying to get at it. And then you meet certain people who have a light in their eyes or who have a story to tell. And yeah, in many cases, it's celebrities who have a platform to say, I experienced something. We've spoken to Josh Radner. We've spoken to Pete Holmes. Like

Name other people we've had on this podcast who have said it wasn't until I was on my knees trying to figure out how to fix what was wrong with me that the message that was given to me was, guess what? All those things can still happen if

It's how you see yourself in the larger cosmos that will make you able to tackle it. So I'm sorry to answer your practical question, you know, with the universe and beyond. But I don't like I said, I don't know how many more ways we can be told. It's in there that the problem is. The problem is in between your two ears. And that's not the only place that the solution can come from.

Yes. And if I slow it way, way down, I think some people here, I'm going to be intuitively guided and I'm just part of something greater than myself. I don't have to worry about the problems that I have. And they're like, but I still have my problems. Right.

So if we slow it way down... I have the solution. This isn't to say that you don't have work to do, that it isn't going to require effort and practical steps in the physical world to change your situation. It is to say, what is the course of action and how do you know what to do next? So I experienced some challenge. For example, this is a very simple thing. I remember I was writing a script years ago

And I hit a roadblock. It was for a commercial client. So we're talking about a very practical situation in a 3D environment in the business world. There's a project, there's a deliverable, there's client expectations, there's my boss. None of these things feel overly spiritual, right?

I write the script. I've done many drafts. I think I've given it everything I can. And I get back a note that I don't understand. And I don't, I've hit a roadblock. I have two options. One is there's a roadblock. I don't know what to do. And another is, hmm, that's interesting.

One is a reaction that comes with fear, anxiety. I'm not going to do this properly. The client is going to be upset. My boss is going to be upset. It's like a huge snowball, which is mostly how I operated when I would hit a creative roadblock because I wanted to fix it. I wanted to do well. I remember I had such a different moment when...

When that happened to me, it was so different than how it operated previously. I sat back without the anxiety and I said, I don't know what to do next, but I know that there is an answer somewhere that I could be guided to receive. And that change of the pressure, having that release valve, feeling connected to something greater than myself, feeling connected to the idea that there was an answer that I might not have, but could be guided towards,

Ended up taking me in a direction that I wouldn't have otherwise gone in. And I found an unexpected answer. So, yeah, I think you just answered your own question of what does it practically look like? It looks like something you can't even imagine because you're in it. But there is a...

way of operating that doesn't have to be the way you're operating right now. And I think that sort of people want a quick fix. And, you know, many of us go down the route of like, which pill should I take and which sleep study should I do and all these things. And the fact is a lot of this, you know, speaking physiologically, a lot of this stuff is teaching your nervous system to better regulate your responses and your experience no matter what happens.

happens. That's the goal. So here's the question that you can speak to, and probably the answer is yes, it's both. Did I come up with a new answer merely because I calmed my nervous system? I didn't go into a spiral of overthinking and anxiety, and therefore I was in a brain state to be a better problem solver? And or...

Did I do all of those things to create a brain state that was connected to all that there is and this project already happened in the cosmic world and the answer was already out there and therefore I was able to receive that information?

I don't know. That's a very, very specific personal example that I don't feel authorized to speak to. But I think one of the other things that happens from this way of functioning is if we are to believe what Suzanne says, is that doing these kinds of exercises, getting yourself into these sorts of states makes you able also to have better intuition.

and a better understanding of what the next indicated action is. She talks a lot about that feeling in your body, like, you know, when you really don't like something and you get that like, ugh, feel, that like, ick feel. Some people feel that, you know, when they're in situations that you wouldn't think require that.

And those people we often deem like way too sensitive or like, why won't you go into that restaurant or whatever? Right.

And what she's teaching is that just the way we have that ick feeling, we also have the ability to have that like, oh, feeling. And so what if more of your life decisions were navigated by feeling what you're feeling instead of like, I'll just give an example. You know, we all have the like, I think I should feeling.

have coffee with this person. Or I think I have to go to lunch with this person because like they're expecting it or I'm supposed to, or whatever it is. That's actually reinforcing that you don't have intuition because it's telling your body you're having an ick feeling, but we're going to make you do it anyway. And, you know, sometimes you don't want to do something and you do it and it's fun. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about like

Someone who's wronged you, for example, someone who's hurt you or hurt your family and you feel like you have to go out because they asked to or they're in town, right? That ick feeling needs to be listened to. And that's the level that she's talking about. We all have that. We all know that. When we see someone that we love and we get that lift feeling, that's being open to information. And you can call it whatever you want. I don't really care. But the fact

is the more you practice these kinds of things, the more you learn about meditation, the more you reduce stress in your life, the more you are open to receiving stimulus in the form of sensations, thoughts, and feelings that you can then better make decisions about that are healthier. We 100% have an enormous amount of instinctual guidance that we do not follow. What you're describing is the overlay of intellect to mute

are in tuition. And it's a very difficult situation because are you using intuition to take you to the where you need to be? Or are you using feeling to avoid discomfort? We're going to feel discomfort sometimes. And it's like, oh, do I get that ick feeling because I'm really not supposed to do something or it's going to be a little hard and I'm moving away from doing something difficult.

And being able to tell the difference between those is sort of where, you know, freedom lies, you know? Well, I, I'm really, really glad that we had Suzanne on and I was a little bit nervous at first because, you know, a lot of people are like mediums, that's BS, but I hope that people can hear the message that she's giving is that that's one of the ways that she taps into things. But,

You don't have to become a medium. You don't have to even believe that you can commune with dead spirits to understand some of the basic things that can help your physiology and your psychology. So, yeah, check out The Awakened Way. Let's all get awakened from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time. It's my and Bialik's breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two.

And now she's gonna break down, so break down, she's gonna break it down.