New Quantum Mechanics: Your Thoughts Can Control the Future & How You Can Build A New Life through Imagination & Meditation
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We're kind of programmed as a culture to believe that a religion can get us there, a guru can get us there. People go to the guru because they want a pill that's going to make them more spiritual and make them happy and successful. It doesn't work like that.

When you finally get to the point that you give up trying to control anything, you'll find that everything you need falls right in front of your feet. This reality that we see in front of us, all of this is a data stream to a consciousness. But you have to interpret that data. You interpret it in terms of your own experience. And if it's outside your experience, it just leaves you with a feeling I can't describe.

then you're going to twist that data to suit your fear and your beliefs. If you don't have any fear and beliefs, you're more likely to get it straight up. If you are autistic, then the intellectual side of your mind, it doesn't work like everybody else's. Can you hear what mom's thinking? Sure. It's all in the database.

Doing research in consciousness, I learned that it's all about love. God is love. There's just one truth, but there's thousands and thousands of ways you can get to that truth. In my model, consciousness is fundamental. That's how consciousness evolves toward becoming love. What's God? It's the larger consciousness system. Science has finally caught up to explain theology.

Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik. I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to our breakdown. Today, we're going to break down everything. Everything that has ever happened, will ever happen, why it's happening, the universe. I mean, it turns out there is no universe. There's just everything. Today, we're going to be talking about...

consciousness, and possibly not in the way that you think of consciousness. You're probably thinking like, oh, I'm conscious of things happening. I'm like, I do mindfulness meditation. Nope. Today we're going to be speaking to a renowned physicist who over the past half century has formulated a way of thinking, living, and being that is incredibly deep,

incredibly complicated and also incredibly simple. We're going to be learning about the consciousness system that is

the reality that we're living in. If you like The Matrix, you'll probably love this episode. If you believe in things outside of your understanding, but believe that there has to be a scientific explanation for them, you're going to love this episode. There is something bigger than all of us, and it can be explained by physics, and Thomas Campbell is here to talk about all of it.

Specifically, we get into the science of extrasensory abilities, being able to see without your sight, being able to remote view, having premonition, intuition, what it means to have energetic healing and why that actually can happen. He breaks it down for us in a way that turns it and transforms it away from the metaphysical and into the scientific. And spoiler alert, it's all...

all in the grid of a system of personal consciousness and larger consciousness. And we're definitely going to be getting scientific today. We're also going to be getting metaphysical today. And we're going to be learning what it means to say that we are part of a simulation that is constantly interpreting data, receiving data, generating data, and how every decision that we make can be influenced by the way we process that data. We touch on the telepathy tapes a

Is telepathy possible? And we also talk about animal communication. We literally are talking about everything because there is a theory of everything. So this episode may blow your mind. For us, it was reminiscent of our episode with Michael Singer. It was reminiscent of many, many mystical masters we've spoken to. It is really an honor to welcome Thomas Campbell to The Breakdown. Break it down.

We're very excited to get to talk to you. And I wonder, before we even get started, what would our listeners who might know nothing about a theory of everything, who might not really have a window into understanding what simulation theory is, what do people need to do in order to be open to the conversation that we're about to have?

Well, the most important thing would be to have an open mind because, you know, since quantum physics took place about 100 years ago, you know, the first 20, 25 years of the 1900s, there's been this big missing link.

fact, this big missing piece of physics. And that is why should reality be probability at the core, which is what quantum physics said. And those founding fathers of quantum mechanics to every one of them, including Einstein and Bohr and Schrodinger, all of those guys said the consciousness was the key.

You can get statements of quotes for them that says, at the bottom of all of this is consciousness. Consciousness is fundamental, and physics can be derived from consciousness. And that's a big step to take. It's a really big step to take, philosophically. And the physicists of the day were not very comfortable with that. Physics comes from woo-woo. How is that possible? So as time went on, they had no idea

ability to turn that idea that consciousness is fundamental into a thing that explained physics. So eventually they gave up. And instead of saying, we don't know, we haven't solved this problem yet, they said instead,

this is just weird physics. Nobody will ever know, you know, the answer to these questions. Mother Nature just plans to keep this secret forever. So it's weird physics. It's non-local. And you just have to get over that. But they clung to their concept of materialism. And materialism is

is, what can I say, it's part of our culture. It's not something you learn, it's something that just oozes into you by being in this culture. So most everybody in our culture is a materialist. They think material reality is the fundamental reality.

So the thing you have to be in order to understand what I'm saying is open-minded because there is a very big paradigm shift that you have to get over in order to find the truth, in order to be able to derive quantum physics and relativity from consciousness.

So at first, when you hear my ideas of what reality is like, it'll sound preposterous. It'll sound ridiculous. How could that possibly be true? That guy must be nuts. That's kind of where the average person is going to be.

I shouldn't say the average person, you know, the 99.999% of people are going to be. So if anything, just open your mind to the possibilities. And in a short interview like this, I'm not going to be able to derive logically anything. We're just going to skip over the tops of things and it'll sound like I'm just making... Says you. Yeah. Okay, good. Sounds like I'm just making, you know, unsubstantiated statements, but...

There is good scientific logic behind all of it. And it does answer the outstanding questions that physics, philosophy, theology have. It actually answers them with a good logical answer. And it doesn't create any new unknowns or any new paradoxes. So I think in

oh, I don't know, give it a decade or so, that this, this theorism mind will probably become the, you know, fundamental attitude of science because it just works. But there's this huge paradigm shift to get over in the meantime. And paradigm shifts don't happen quickly. Those are things that slowly have to seep in, you know, to the first into the science mind and then into the general population. So it isn't going to be fast, but.

I want to anchor people who are listening to know that we're going to talk theoretically, but also extremely practically. Absolutely. About how changing this fundamental dynamic will impact them on a daily basis. Because sometimes it can be,

really heady, you know, and we use terms that maybe people misunderstand consciousness and reality, like people can quickly get lost. But I want to just assure people that we're going to we're going to land the plane in many areas. Absolutely. And, you know, that's when you when you

talk about things that are fundamental, then they affect everybody. And they affect people in their daily life, in every choice they make. Fundamental things are like that. Now, there was a big paradigm shift, like the Earth wasn't at the center of the universe, or the Earth was round, not flat. But most people could say, who cared?

That's just an argument that a bunch of eggheads are pitching around, but it doesn't affect my daily life at all. This paradigm shift is not like that. This paradigm shift affects every thought you have, every choice you make. So it is very practical. It's not just who cares, let the scientists work those out and it really doesn't affect us. This does affect everybody. So you're right.

We will get down into the, you know, how does it apply to you? How does it change your life? That's where it's important, most important. Matter of fact, this, you know, these ideas, I think, are more important to the soft side of the people's lives than they are to the hard side. The hard side being the science, hard science as opposed to the soft sciences or no science at all. It's more important there.

It's going to revolutionize physics, but again, okay, a bunch of physicists care about that. Most everybody else doesn't, but it's going to revolutionize people's lives. And that, I think, is the most important part of it. One of the ways that I think your writing and this sort of line of thought can be transformative is that it sort of deconstructs

the notion of what we perceive as truth and reality. So the way that you kind of... The way that you described it is that human cultures are more than communities of shared belief, where common belief blindness leads to erroneous conclusions that are universally held as obvious truth. So when we talk about having an open mind, it really means...

kind of being able to set aside all of the preconceived notions you have, all of the ways that we should think, all of the reasons that we should insert our intellects, right, or our powerful minds into disproving or shoving away these concepts. Is that accurate? That's very accurate. But the way most people work is that

How does this confirm what I already believe? If it does, then that's true. And if it doesn't, then that must be false. That's kind of the way most people deal with what they hear and what they think. So that makes it a little difficult to get through when you're already on the wrong side of people's beliefs. Mm-hmm.

Of course, in my theory, I keep telling people, get rid of your beliefs. I call them belief traps. If you believe something, anything, then that shuts you off from learning new information about it that might be a little different than your belief. But...

That's a hard thing to get most people to do. Most people work out of their beliefs. And most of those beliefs aren't things that they studied and then came to believe. Those are things they pick up in their culture. And I know you're very interested in mental illness and things like that. And that's a real big part of...

The mental illness problem is just people's beliefs and the way they see. In our culture, anything that's different is bad.

If it's not like you, then there's something wrong with it. Rather than if it's not like you, it's different. Let's explore those differences and see how we can learn from those differences and grow from those differences. It's like, oh, that's different. It's wrong. It's bad. What we want to do is fix it. Fix it means makes it just like us. So we have somebody with mental problems, and what do we try to do? We want to make them like us. Get rid of those symptoms. Get rid of those things. Instead, we ought to be just treating them like us.

different people and what can we learn and how can we function and what's going on here and maybe they have talents and insights that we don't but we never consider that because they're not like us therefore we need to fix them and make them like us so we have similar problems in in that area yes mine be alex breakdown is supported by calm

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an unbelievable story and you have many. I'm just referring mainly to book one of the trilogy, My Big Toe, which stands for Theory of Everything. I want you to tell about what happened the day that you realized you could see connectivity. Oh, yes. Okay. That was, you know, being the physicist that I am, you know, I keep my head wound up into details and

programs and computers and that sort of thing. If anyone's seen The Big Bang Theory, it's about a bunch of physicists. So I fit that description pretty well. And I was having lunch one day, walking down, and this was in Charlottesville, Virginia,

and they turned the main street into a mall where you could walk, and I was walking along, and I looked up, and I noticed that all the trees had this white, fluffy, cotton candy-looking stuff all over them, and I thought, now that's really strange, not seen that before, so I stood and stared at it a little bit to make sure it wasn't, you know, blinked a few times, and

And then I stopped somebody on the street walking by and I pointed. I said, "Did you see that waste up all of those trees?" They looked, looked, looked at me, hurried on. No, they didn't see that at all. So then I thought, well, what am I seeing? And I looked other places, other things, and I could see it around people. Then I looked, I could see it around power lines. So it wasn't just people.

I could see it around everything living and some things that weren't living. And when I got back to the office, I was still... You were not on drugs. No, no, I don't take drugs. You know, when I was in graduate school in the 70s, drugs were a big thing. I stayed away from them completely because...

I felt that my future depended on my mind and I wasn't going to mess with anything that messed with my mind because without that I was, you know, I wasn't saleable, I wasn't worthwhile. I was just another guy. I could maybe shovel dirt or something but my mind was what made me different. So I was very, very careful not to pollute that with drugs.

So no, I wasn't on anything. So I went back to the office and I looked at the clock and I could see energy around the clock. And I had one of those early computers that was an HP little handheld that had, I don't know, probably 100 bytes or something. It had 40 programming steps. And I looked at that and when that was running, I could see a little energy around that.

And I later understood that my question or what was in my mind, what I was thinking at the time was energy. It was about energy. What is life energy? How do you connect to this life energy or just energy anywhere? And what I was seeing was a response to that query.

The way the mind works is that if you have queries, if you have things that you're thinking about and you make it clear, you'll often will get a data dump down that gives you information about that. That's just a part of consciousness. We can talk about that later. So that's what was happening. I was thinking about life, life force, energy. And then I looked at the power lines. Oh, that's energy too. And of course, the calculator and the clock also were things that were

driven by energy and what I was seeing was like energy flow. The energy around that, life energy around life things and other energy around inanimate things but energetic things. When I looked at that calculator it was very detailed. All kinds of little lines that were intersecting and moving here and there and that was the energy that was making that calculator work. So that was a big deal and I played with that

because I'm a physicist and I want to know how does it work? Why does it work that way? So I'd stop looking and then I look again and it would still be there. And then I started to say, well, I wonder if it's just things that have energy. So

I was talking to a friend of mine, Dennis Menrich, who also was involved with me, you know, I got out to Bob's lab and he pulled out this picture. And he pulled out a picture and it had like five people in the picture. And he said, one of those people in the picture is a psychic. Can you tell me which one it is? And I looked at him and I said, okay, energy, where's the energy? And suddenly, boom, a

big energy from one of the guys and I pointed at that one. No. Yeah. I mean you had a 20% chance of being right. Yeah, I had a 20% chance of being right and I got it right on and that was the one. And then I said, oh, this energy thing isn't around an object. It isn't the human that's creating the energy. It isn't the power line that's doing it. It's just in my mind. That's just what I'm seeing. It's information that I get. And if I ask the question about those five guys in the picture, which one's different?

then I get the answer. So can you, I want to double click on that. Okay. So objects have to generate something for you to be able to perceive them. But what you're saying is that you are requesting information. Yes. That is then available to you. Exactly. And it took me some months to figure all that out. You know, I'm

just running into this for the first time and I don't really know what's happening or what it is. I know it's real, it's there. I know that if I shift into kind of an altered state, it blossoms and when I don't, it can go away.

I realized it has something to do with my mental state. And then once Dennis showed me this picture and that turned out right, I realized that it had nothing to do with the objects themselves. It just had to do with information that I was getting about those objects when I made an inquiry. And I had no idea how that worked.

Later, I figured that all out and I understand the mechanism now. But at that point, I was totally clueless and I hadn't yet come to the conclusion. You know, I say now, well, it was just information, but I didn't have that understanding at that point. I just knew it was something I could do. I want to pause here. First of all, you're amazing. I want to pause here, though. Most kind of rational, you know, intellectual types would tease or mock or say we're crazy, right?

We speak to people who see energy around people.

in one particular case, a woman was struck by lightning. Her name was Elizabeth Crone. She was struck by lightning. And only after being struck by lightning, she all of a sudden started seeing things that she couldn't explain around people's heads, right? I have a lot of questions about sort of what that receptivity looks like. I think that special abilities, special needs might be one of these portals into why and how people are

requesting that information, right? Even unconsciously. But I want to pause here because Jonathan has experience in energy work and in Reiki and in a lot of things that, um,

have for, in many cases, thousands of years been talking about these things, but from a completely different perspective, from a mystical perspective, from a spiritual perspective, from an esoteric perspective, an alternative healing perspective. I kind of want you and you to talk about energy for a second. When you describe having your vision almost turned on or this extrasensory vision turned on,

It's interesting that it just happened one day versus in response to what we've heard other people describe, either that they were born with it or there was some sort of traumatic event or precipitating event that turned it on. So I'm curious what your thoughts are about the timing in which it was revealed to you. Was there some sort of synchronicity there? Did you feel like you were ready for it or it just...

That's just what happened in that moment. It wasn't just what happened in that moment. There was a chain of events that led up to it, but none of them were traumatic. They were mostly intellectual and intuitive. I had been probably at that time going out to Bob and Rose, working with Bob for, oh, I don't know, a few months anyway, six months.

And before that I had learned to meditate and I found some amazing effects of meditation.

So I wasn't totally new to the idea about the mind was an important thing. And I had read some books. But that experience was, this wasn't like you were told, and I'd love to get into, and I have it later on, it's item four in our outline. It's not like you were taught in meditation how to look at things so that cotton candy appears on trees. No, not at all. Right. I...

I had probably read by then that there were some people who could see auras. I'd kind of come across that in the literature, but I didn't see anything like that. But I had been growing in this direction of developing my intuitive side. You know, you've got an intellectual side and you have an intuitive side. Those are very different. The intellectual side works on logic. The intuitive side does not, has nothing to do with logic. It just gets information.

And I read a book, I don't know if I read it before or after this, but it was C.W. Ledbetter, Theosophist, Man Visible and Invisible, an old, old book. And it gave color pictures of those sorts of things, but I never saw anything like that. But as I developed the intuitive side of my mind, then...

it became more and more to the surface, more and more to the surface. And then that one day that I happened to be there and I look up, well, there it was because I was probably, as I walked down that mall, you don't have to worry about being run over because there's no traffic. I was kind of, my mind was kind of adrift and I wasn't really thinking about anything in particular. And then it happened. But

The work that I had done, the books that I had read, all of that kind of led up to the point that when I had this intention about life force, about energy, and suddenly I could see it. And I could see it everywhere. And that was startling. But it was one of the first junctures in my life where I had something I could work with.

I'm a scientist. I need facts. I need to work with it. And for the next probably four or five months, I worked with it. I worked with it. What does it mean? I'd go into a movie theater and instead of watching the movie, I'd be looking at all the little bundles of light that were around everybody in the movie. And I could turn them on or turn them off. And I was just learning what they meant. Eventually, I learned that the colors that you would see are not fundamental at all.

You know, Ledbetter said that if you're angry, there's this big red zigzag going around. And if you're particularly bright, there's this yellow light around your head. And he gave all those things. But I realized that those aren't fundamental. You can specify the output format of the data you get

and get it in that, if you want anger to be a flat line that's purple, well, you say that's how I define anger, then that's what you get. You can create your own output format in the data. It's just you're getting data to the system, it'll work with any format you want. And then you can turn those things into graphs, if you like.

You know, you're looking at somebody's health and you can say, "I'd like to see health on this axis. If going up is healthy, going down to zero is dead. And here's time. I'd like to see how the health is going to change as a function of time." And you can get a graph and then you can say, "I'd like to see the error bars at two sigma." And you'll see the curve coming down and two sigma error bars running around it. So,

you can specify what you get. I mean, that's very specific. Yes, very specific. You just went from color to error bars. Yes, you can. And you can specify whether you want 2 sigma or 10 sigma. It's just data. It's just data. And you can get the information and you get to pick what they mean.

But people read books like Ledbetter's and then they all kind of expect the same sort of things. So they all sort of see the same sort of things because they already have that imprinted. And that's where I started. I started with Ledbetter and I thought that's the way it was. And I did see the same kind of colors he saw. And then eventually I realized that that wasn't fundamental at all. It's just information. And you get the information and you get to sort it any way you like.

So, it's, and it's not, you know, it sounds really out there, right? Really strange. This guy must be a, you know, some kind of really strange person to do this. Everybody can do this. This is not something that I'm special I do. The only thing that was different about me. You're a little special. The thing that's different about me is I spent years.

hours, many, many hours trying to develop the intuitive side of my consciousness. And that's where everything paranormal takes place over on the intuitive side, which is why the scientists have such a big problem with it. Oh, well, if you can do that here, do this, do this, do this. Like it was an intellectual thing that you just did. Or why doesn't it follow the rules of this formula, this, you know, presupposition? Yeah. So...

Anyway, that was that experience. That's when I started my internal research, which says, what does this mean? How does it work? What else can I see that has these signs about it? What does it mean? And over months, that started to fall in and doing research with people. And I could watch people who were angry or who were in love or other things. And you could see different patterns. And I could change the patterns and so on. So that was my first really big step into having...

experience that I could test and work with. My other experience was simply debugging software. Right. And that was evidence for me, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't really interacting with the general world. It was just a very special application. People can have a lot of different paths towards these experiences and that what we can discover on the other side of them can truly be

mind-blowing to dissolve our current reality. Yes, absolutely.

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When you got into Reiki and even the people doing Reiki now, they don't really understand the fundamental, the physics of what's going on. They just know they do this thing, it works. And they can feel the energy, the energy gets transmitted, it heals. What's actually happening is that your intent, your intention modifies the probability of the future.

Now the future isn't a done deal. The future changes as we make choices. Everything changes. But there is this database that's called the future probable database. It's the probability of things that will happen. And your intention changes that probability. So when you have a thought that you want that person, that is your intention,

person you're working on with Reiki to be healed, that they will get over whatever their symptoms are, that they will be healed. That changes the probability and that probability is like the next moment, you know, and the next moment after that it's probability. So you're just changing the probabilities toward them getting more healthy. And all of the things you learned, symbols, processes, heat, the hands, all the rest of that

were just tools that you learned in order for you to focus your intent on the healing. So people generally can't work well just in healing.

abstractions. Oh, you have to do this. Just heal and they'll be healed. It doesn't work. You have to go through a process. That's just the way we are. It comes out of the way we learn and so on. So we make up a process. I call these tools. The process is not fundamental, but you can make up a process. And in that process, it can be heat from the hands. It can be this. It can be all kinds of things. It can be chance. It can be

Burning incense, it could be having a statue of the Buddha. It could be anything that's part of your process. And a lot of processes have rituals involved in the process. But there's only one active ingredient, and that's consciousness. And all the process does is help you access that consciousness and apply it.

And that becomes obvious when you think about all the different modalities. Okay, Reiki's one. But you know there's dozens of them and they all approach it differently. They all have their own processes and they all work. So you realize the process isn't what's doing it. It's not all the stuff you go through. That's just preparing your mind. And one of the biggest things you have to prepare your mind to do is to

believe at a deep level, I shouldn't say believe, to know at a deep level that it's real and that you can do it. That's the biggest hurdle that anybody has to overcome. And, you know, it's the same with any of the paranormal things. There's a thing called seeing without eyes.

Okay. And I know a teacher of that. Actually, I went to one of their courses just to see how they taught it. What they're teaching is remote viewing in real time is really what they're teaching. Well, remote viewing is hard for most people, much less in real time. So I wanted to see how do you teach that? And she said, give me a five or six year old. I can teach him in an hour. Give me a 10 year old. I can teach him in three or four days.

Give me a 13, 14-year-old. It takes a week. Give me an adult, and it takes me two weeks. And as I went through the course, I was really trying to understand the technique that she was using to get people to do that. She was getting adults to do that, and, well, about 20% of the class did that in one week.

And they were reading without their eyes. And it was, I verified that. I'm a scientist. I do experiments. I put a blindfold on this one lady and I took her outside where it's hard to manipulate the environment that's outside as opposed to the one that's inside. And I'd walk up behind the car and say, can you read that license plate? What color is the house in front of you? How many garbage cans are sitting outside in the front of that house? You know, that kind of thing.

and got every one of them. Even went up to a door where a thing was put, you know, there was, I can't remember what it was, but there was a post, note post that she read, and I, just fine, she could read easily. And this blindfold was this wide, it's one of those big things that goes way up to the forehead, down, around the nose, around. I put it on her, I adjusted it. I knew she couldn't see a thing, but...

When I asked her, I said, well, what's your experience? How are you doing this? She says, I cheat. I said, how are you cheating? She says, I'm looking through a hole in the mask. There was no hole in the mask. This was her way of justifying to herself that it was possible. And everybody who was successful at reading without their eyes felt that they were cheating some way. Oh, there's a hole in my mask. Oh, the light coming in around the side and I can...

I take optics. I understand about light. And after it takes a single bounce, it no longer contains any information. I can't tell you what's behind me, even though that light is hitting that wall, hitting this wall and coming into my eyes. I don't see that wall because once it takes a bounce, information's gone. So even if that light could bounce around a few times and get to her eyeball coming off the side like that, it'd have no information in it whatsoever. What is the explanation in your framework of how you can...

read something with your eyes not seeing the words. Can I give the answer and see how close I am to your answer? If I had to answer this question, I would say that somehow they've learned to quiet the analytical part of their brain. They've opened themselves to be a receptive channel. And as you ask the information, the data of that information is just available and they're able to reach out and snatch it or it just appears in the

you know, on the dashboard of their mind and they see it just as though they would have seen with their eyes. And by understanding that they've convinced themselves that they're cheating in some way to bypass the logical mind, you don't have that mechanism interfering with that open channel that just allows data to appear simultaneously. Check, check, check, check. Yeah, good job. Yeah, you got all of that right. And there's a little bit more. And that is the reason they can see

like they're normally seeing. They can see what's on that wall, what's this way. People can hold up things. You can hold a book up in front of them. They can read it. It's because in their mind, their intent is that it's going to look just like it would look if they had their eyes open. So they have this intent to see

Their remote viewing is, I have an intent to know what's going on at this particular set of coordinates on the planet someplace. So the closest I can understand to this, and I wouldn't have ever thought of it as remote viewing. Well, there's two examples. One is in a horrifying flashback, which many people have from trauma.

And a flashback is not a memory. It is literally as if you are back there. So, okay, but that's like time looping in on itself is not what I'm talking about. There's a method, a tool, to use your terminology. There's a tool called EMDR, which uses often auditory beats, sometimes somatic beats.

Influence or eye movements as the as the title as the nomenclature provides, but I have had experiences. I've been awake and not sleeping and it is as if I am in my childhood home. I am conscious that I it's not a flashback.

I'm conscious that I'm this year's old and I'm laying on a, you know, a table or wherever, but I can move around the room as if I'm there. And that's the way a lot of people, we had my mother on, my mother did EMDR, which is hilarious to have her describe it and very interesting. She described the same thing. She described being in her childhood tenement house in her home. And it's, is that remote viewing or is that different?

Remote viewing is just a special case of a more general thing. Okay. Remote viewing typically is what's going on at this place, someplace that you're not. And then you describe it and it's either right or not or what picture is associated with this number if you do the ones that are on there. And that's called remote viewing. Okay. Well, that enables a mind to go collect data from this database

and I can explain the database, why the database is there, how it got there, where did it come from, so all of that is known. So you can get data out of the database, and again, it depends on what you're asking for and what the output format is. So if your output format, someone wants to see what's going on at the spot, well, then you'll get a view of that spot. That's all you'll get. Because it's there. Because it's in the database. Right. That spot is in the database, so it gets the data from the database,

and you then get that download of the data. But as always, you have to interpret the data. So the data, you know, the remote viewer is only as good as his interpretation of the data. And people always interpret the data in terms of their own experience. They can't do anything else. If it's something they've never experienced, then they have a real hard time interpreting the data. So then they make up what the closest thing is, pattern matching that they can come up with out of their own data. Can you give an example?

Well, I can give a historical example of how that works with the data and the pattern matching and so on. I read this, so I can't vouch for the truth of it, but I read that it was recorded that when the Spaniards, I'm going to say invaded Mexico, but that's probably not a politically correct thing to say, when they...

Found Mexico. I think invaded feels right. All right. When they invaded Mexico, that they found that the indigenous people could not see their ship. They could see the small boats that they rowed ashore in, but they could not see the main ship.

And that's because they had nothing in their experience that they could attach that to. There was no such thing there. So they just didn't see it. They couldn't interpret it. And in this case, they didn't have anything that they could even close enough pattern match to say that it was something. Because the information wasn't in their database. Yeah. So you get...

you know all of us this reality that we see in front of us you know your body and your body and mine and the doors and everything here all of this is a data stream to a consciousness so that data stream

defines this reality. So I'm defining this now as a virtual reality and it's a data stream that defines it. But you have to interpret that data and you interpret it in terms of your own experience. And if it's outside your experience, you don't know how to interpret it. It just leaves you with a feeling I can't describe. It's not a good feeling usually. Sometimes if it's a bad thing, if it's a good thing, it's a real happy feeling you can't describe. But

So you color everything. It's not what you see is what's necessarily there, but it's your interpretation of it. Now, in as much as you have fear, you have beliefs, then you're going to twist that data to suit your fear and your beliefs. If you don't have any fear and beliefs, you're more likely to get it straight up. So you get better. Yeah, children...

are good at this. Now, children grow up with a fair amount of ability with their intuitive side. Their intellectual side takes longer for that to kick in and for them to work, so they start off just intuitive. And they know so much more than we think they know because they can't speak the language yet. We think they don't know anything. They know a whole lot. They get a whole lot, particularly

who's happy, who isn't, attitudes, feelings, all of that stuff. Mom, dad having an argument, boy, they get all of that. They have a lot of knowledge that they get intuitively. The intuitive mind is just, as you say, you open your mind, you get rid of your intellect. Well, for a three-year-old, getting rid of the intellect is trivial. And there it comes. That's why they're so playful and happy. Yeah. Then you can just

translate, you have to interpret that information and that's then the hard part for a three-year-old is interpreting information because everything's new and they get better at it with experience. That's why, you know, the kids that are autistic

tend to do marvelous things. They're savants. They can tell you, you know, they can read pi out to, you know, 20 decimal places, or they can take the cube root of 6,842 in seconds. And it's not that they're computing it. They're not. They're just reading it off. They're seeing the answer in front of them. They read off the answer and it's the right answer. I have a friend whose son is a savant. He holds the entire calendar in his head.

You can literally ask him, you can say, what day of the week was October 7th, 1832? And he'll tell you. Like that. Yeah. But he's not computing it. He just gets the answer. And the savants, what, the telepathy types, it's the same thing. We're deep into it, yes. If you are autistic, then the intellectual side of your mind is having issues. It's having a problem. It doesn't work like...

Everybody else's. So what do you do? You develop the intuitive side of your mind because the intellectual side isn't working for you very well. And then you get good at that. Can you hear what mom's thinking? Sure. It's all in the database. And not dad. One of the things that people love to point out that's wrong with the telepathy tapes is why would someone only be able to read her mother's mind and not her father's? I have no problem explaining that.

It has to do with receptivity. It has to do with openness. It has to do with what portal is kind of open for connectivity. Exactly. It also has to do with the emotional connection you have. Correct. Most children are very connected with their moms. That mom is the source of their sustenance. If that's your primary caregiver, you're absolutely going to be more tuned into that. Females tend to be more aware of their intuitive side.

than males do. That's just the way it is. So yes, of course it would be their mom would be the one that they would hear. Now they may grow up then to also include dad in it, but in the beginning, it's going to be mom is the one. So that just, they develop that side and it comes to them. And in their minds, that's just the way it is. They don't see that as particularly strange. It's just the way it is. A couple of things that you've said really

have made me consider my own experience. One is the seeing of information. Often when I get any type of intuitive information, I hear it. And I've never asked to see because auditory is my primary form of processing. So often I'll just be like leaning my ear this way to try and get information or closing and waiting for something to be told to me. So very interesting to think about setting the intention to have a visual experience.

The other thing that struck me about talking about the systems and the tools, everyone brands their system or brands their tool as the way to do it. Because they want to draw people to this. And if you do it exactly like this, you're going to get the result. But fundamentally, what I learned was

I for years hated to call it Reiki because of the baggage that is associated with that term and language whereby this woman was really talking about changing your consciousness, moving away from your everyday thinking brain, becoming an open channel and truly setting the intention of removing your expectation and

for how someone might heal and say, I don't know what it is, but they're

individual self, their soul, their physical body has a higher knowledge. And I am just here as a support system. I'm putting all of my expectations to the side, my baggage, my limiting beliefs, and I'm going to try and be as available and just clear as possible. And that is tool agnostic. That is just a mindset. Exactly. And you know why they tell you that?

Because if they told you that here's how you do it and they gave you instructions rather than just letting it happen, that would engage your intellect. And as soon as you engage your intellect, you get in the way and it wouldn't work. So that's the tool. Oh, it's the great mystical forces of the universe and they will take care of it and you don't have to think. Well, that frees you up from getting your intellect involved. And that's a necessary step.

So that's why you get that. It really isn't the mystical energy in the universe. It's your intention, modifying future probability. The other thing that we did as the people became more experienced with the in-person technique is then with permission of someone, we would then work remotely. And part of that was watching and observing, where are they, what feelings come up, and

it was a lot of practice using your own physical body as a mirror to get information as the signpost. So, oh, all of a sudden, if I start to be super aware of mine, but we're in a remote situation, I put my consciousness on to towards her.

And I'm observing, oh, where do I feel it in my body? What's happening in her body? What emotions am I feeling? What thoughts start to come in once I clear myself and we begin to mirror one another? Yeah, that's your tools. Your tools are what's in her body you'll feel in yours. See, that's a tool for you. You set that up, then that's the way it works for you. You don't have to set that up. You could set up some other kind of thing. You could set up a visual. And what's wrong with her will be dark spots on a white background or something else.

Or if you want to do it the other way, it could be dark spots on a white background or black spots on a white background. Either way, it doesn't matter. If anyone's listening to this, I would recommend doing it external to the body because unless you learn how to remove it from your own body, then you're getting some baggage there. I don't recommend that people do that for that very reason because...

your beliefs can hurt you. And if you believe you take something on and then you have a little worry somewhere down inside that says, gee, if I take this on, what if it affects me?

it can affect you. It can make you ill from it. So it's a good thing not to take things on. That's not a good practice. But anyway, I should say here, it's not always getting data out of a database. Another thing about consciousness is that every consciousness is netted. They're all in a net. Just like the internet, you know, all the websites are netted. And you use your intent to open up a particular connection.

So if you're thinking about Mayim and you're wondering, you know, her emotional state or physical state or something, that can be just a mind-to-mind connection, getting information just from her. We call that empathy. You know, people are empathic.

with each other. They know what the other person's feeling. They know what the other person's thinking. And it's a great tool. It's a really good tool. You have young kids that are just the perfect age to use this tool with because

Parents and kids sometimes are hard to talk directly to them because if you say, you know, that's not good behavior, you need to change that, they'll go, don't tell me what to do, you know, because they're becoming adults trying to make their own choices for themselves and they don't want to be told what to do. But if you really need to connect to them, mind-to-mind is the perfect way because you can make that connection, you can explain to them the information you're trying to impart to them

And they will get it. And they will probably, unless they're very sensitive, if they're very sensitive, they'll know exactly who's doing it. But if they're not very sensitive, it'll come in as their own idea.

But there's a thing that you have to be careful with here too. You only do that not to control someone, not to, well, I know it's for their own good, not tell them what to do. You have to just give them information they can use. You have to be helpful. It has to come from love, not from manipulation.

And as long as it comes from love and it's not trying to manipulate their free will, then it'll work and it'll work wonderfully. If it comes from a source of manipulation, they will get that too. And it'll backfire and do the opposite. This is like an X-Men movie. I mean, it's in terms of mind control, right? When I think of like, I think of Dr. X. I wonder if you can touch a little bit on this notion of manifesting.

which is kind of a, it's a commercialized term that gets a very high price tag on it in terms of, you know, people being told to manifest and make vision boards and, you know, you can manifest your future. But I'm going to set all of that stuff aside because when you talk about intention and when you talk about

shifting probability of the moment that's about to happen and then the one that's about to happen because that one just happened, which means it's no longer the future. It's now the past, right? When you talk about intention that way, manifesting starts to make sense because what you're talking about is, you know, you're not a crazy hippie, but crazy hippies have really taken a lot of this terminology in terms of,

raising your vibration and having good vibes, right? Those are kind of, and I don't want to disparage that and to all the crazy hippies out there, I consider myself one of them. But what we're actually talking about is intention setting, correct? Yes. What we're actually talking about is intention setting. Your intention modifies the future probability. So that takes place. But there's a lot of things around that that the people don't know. Right.

And one of the things that makes that work is if your intention is a good intention, a positive intention. Well, in technical terms, good is that it lowers entropy for yourself in the system. Got it. Okay, that's good. It's a good thing for everybody, not just you.

The highest good, you might call it. Yeah, the highest good. And highest meaning like, yeah, energetically. Yeah. So if it's a good thing, then your intent carries more weight.

If it's something that if you have a mind that is full of noise, which most people's minds are very noisy, thoughts coming and going all the time, you know, and people try to meditate, they usually get about 10 seconds before thought comes. And it takes them years to get to the point that they can have no thoughts in their mind for half an hour or an hour. Sometimes it takes 10 years before they get to that point. But anyway, if you have a noisy mind, then it doesn't work as well.

If your intention is one like a wish, you know, throw a penny in a wishing well and hope for something, it doesn't have any power to it. So it's not just intention. It's intention at an intuitive level, not an intellectual level. You throw the coin in the wishing well, it's an intellectual. Oh, what would I like? Oh, I'd like to be a millionaire. Oh, I wish for a million dollars.

That has no weight. It doesn't do anything because that's all coming out of the intellect. For it to be powerful, it has to come out of the core of you, not out of your intellect, but out of your intuitive side, and it has to be deep. You have to really...

put your own energy into it. Same with healing. It's the same sort of thing. And if you do that, and you have a quiet mind, and you can keep that mind focused for some time on that thing, not that it's just a flash that lasts for two or three seconds, but when you do your healing, it's not like you're healed and you're done. You have to put some effort into that. And that effort is additive. If you get six people doing it, and they're all the same, you'll get six times the result. So...

you have to have a few other things just in intent. Most people who says, "Oh, I'd like to materialize a new Mercedes Benz and a girlfriend and a big house." Well, that's all intellectually. It's all out of the ego. It doesn't come from a deep place. It comes from a very shallow place. Their mind is probably full of noise and they find that it doesn't work.

It just doesn't work very well. So those people who can put their mind in that quiet place, who can focus and actually keep that focus going like all day long,

You know, that's important. You have to be thinking about that intention, not just once for two or three minutes, but it has to be part of you. And even your healing is like that. When you're healing somebody, you don't just walk off and forget about it and then talk about the football game. That's part of your being for probably the rest of the day and maybe for several days. Your mind goes back to that and says, "I hope that person's doing well." And you keep at it, then you're more effective.

So these are kind of some of the variables around it that make it work more or work less. Another way it's been described is that when you are in that quiet state of mind and you're sensing it and feeling it and it's coming from this very deep and, you know,

perspective. Now, a great house could be positive, but it's not about the number of bathrooms. It's about the safety and feeling that it offers you. It's the security that it offers you. And when you're creating that flood of chemicals in your body by

feeling it, holding it, creating the vision of it, then that's been described as also one of the ways to increase probability. Yes. And there is one other variable that we haven't talked about yet. And that is that this system has a purpose. And the purpose is for us to grow up, become love. It's for us to treat each other with

more kindness and more caring, to be cooperative and helpful. So it's what can I do to help, not what's in it for me. So that's the purpose of it. Now the things that you do, if they serve that purpose, well, now they're more likely to occur because you're working with the system.

If they are contrary to that purpose, how can I get more money? How can I get a sexier boyfriend or girlfriend or something? And it's all self-centered.

that doesn't serve that purpose and therefore it's not so likely to happen. So there's a bias in the system. It's not just anybody can use their intent to focus it to get this. There's a higher level intention that if you're working with the system, things tend to work for you. If you're not working with the system, if you're working against the system, then things tend to not work for you. In fact, that rule...

is so pervasive that when you finally get to the point that you give up trying to control anything, you'll find that everything you need falls right in front of your feet just as you need it and you just don't have to be concerned about it. It's just life gives you what you need if you are working with the system

for lower entropy, for more kindness and caring and helpfulness. So I wasn't going to get here. I mean, I still want to like, I still have a lot to get to. Still, I mean, I got the list. When everything's on the line, it takes a lot longer than two hours to discuss it all. Oh no, for sure. No, but I wasn't going to dip into kind of purpose until the end. But since you brought it up, I think it's very appropriate to kind of

to go here now before we get to... Did the universe bring you exactly what you needed? Yeah, exactly. You know, you talk about, and it's not at all a significant part of this book, nor should it be, but you talk about how, you know, we're kind of programmed as a culture, and it is, it's how we evolve, it's how we're made, as it were, to, to

To believe that a religion can get us there. A guru can get us there. This yoga teacher will get me there. This amount of money will get me there. Subscribing to this podcast, click the little bell notification for all the episodes. So we want that. We want that thing that kind of helps us get there. You know, what you sort of talk about is...

The answer, it's an inside job. Exactly. And the way you describe it, you cannot believe your way into consciousness quality any more than you can believe your way into being a master violinist, sumo wrestler, or president of your country. So I wonder if you can talk about...

The theory of everything includes our construction of religion and God, right? As a very famous Jewish philosopher said, if God didn't exist, we would just invent God anyway, right? That's sort of part of the system. So I believe that you can prove God with your work. How did you accidentally prove God? Well, first, you know, you're...

Your comments are right. You don't have to drop out of life, join an ashram, learn how to cross your legs and do alms six hours a day. That's not necessary. The only thing you have to change is yourself.

You just have to change yourself. And you don't get that change of yourself by doing something, by going to a teacher. Now the teacher can help in the sense he can help you see bigger pictures, can help put you in a safe space where you can stretch out past your point of comfort. It can do things that makes it easier for you, but it can't give you any

plus up in your spiritual quality or anything like that, that has to happen. You have to change yourself. So all those things may be helpful.

And for many people, they're not because they think that this will fix me. It's like going, you know, every time somebody's wrong with you, go to a doctor and swallow a pill because you think that's going to fix you. But what's really what you need to do is eat less garbage, eat better food, exercise. But that's too hard and a lot of trouble. So you go to a doctor and want a pill.

That's the same thing. People go to the guru because they want a pill that's going to make them more spiritual and make them happy and successful. It doesn't work like that. It's all an inside job, as you said. All right, proving God. As it turns out, I didn't intend to do that, but it happened anyway. Here I am, a physicist. I wouldn't say an atheist, but I started out as an atheist when I was 14 or 15. I was an atheist then because I found religion to be foolish.

But by the time I got less foolish myself, I decided agnosticism was more rational because it just says I don't know and can't know. So I just won't bother with it because it's outside my ability to know. And being that way, most scientists are like that because we learn as scientists that if it's not logical, then you can't depend on it. It has to be iffy. Well, it's not true. Yeah. And generally they say it's not true.

Which is, of course, not the case, but we're taught to think that way. So when I started growing up myself and learning, developing my intuitive side, and I finally got to the point where I realized that though I was this high and mighty agnostic that's

just all that foolish religion. That religion is just for weak people who, you know, need, have their emotions propped up to feel better, et cetera, et cetera. You know, the arrogance of people like, you know, most of the scientists are. Yeah, well, I was like that too. But then I realized that all of the things that I was discovering on my own by understanding the nature of reality and doing research in consciousness,

I learned that it's all about love. Well, you go to what Peter lettered to the Corinthians, God is love. Check. And then I learned it's about kindness. It's about, you know, working with people for solutions, not to impose your ego and what you think is right on them. And check, you know, turn the other cheek, do unto others as you should do unto you. And all these things that were kind of fundamental to Buddhism, Christianity,

Taoism. Judaism. We have a mystical tradition. We're doing our best here. Right, you do. Kabbalah. That's right. Yeah, and I would have people come up to me. You mentioned that. I'd have people come up to me after I give a talk, and they say, have you been studying Kabbalah?

And I'd say, "No, don't know anything about it." And they said, "Well, I've been studying for 15 years and you sound just like my teacher." Yeah. And people come up and say, "Are you a Zen Buddhist?" And the same thing. "I've been studying that for 15 years, you sound just like a Zen Buddhist." And I say, "No, I've even had shaman come up who were wearing their furs and stuff and their staff and come up and say, 'Are you a shaman? Does you sound just like my teacher?'"

So it's universal. There's just one truth, but there's thousands and thousands of ways you can get to that truth. Now, about God. In my model, consciousness is fundamental. It's the source, and it is a system. It's an information system.

Now that really sounds odd to people, but if you think about what is consciousness? Well, consciousness is awareness. I define consciousness as awareness with a choice. Very simple definition. That's consciousness, awareness with a choice. Now, awareness, our awareness right now, is only what we, is information we gather with our five senses. That's it. What we hear, see, smell, taste, feel.

If we take those away, what are we? Take away your five senses and what are you? You're in the "de car" moment. I think, therefore I am. That's all there is. You are aware that you exist and you're conscious of that. Nothing else. Okay, so consciousness takes in data. It takes in the data and it processes that data, which means it needs to determine what does that data mean. It checks it against memory. Consciousness has memory.

What is that data? How does that look according to what I've experienced? So it takes in data, processes data, checks with memory, and then after doing that it has to come to some sort of decision. What's it going to do about it? What's its reaction to that information? What does that sound like? Takes in data, processes data, has memory, and then has output. It's an information system. Consciousness is an information system.

So you start with the simplest piece of consciousness, which is an aware piece of consciousness that is only aware of two choices: A or B, one or zero. That's it. Well, that's the smallest piece of consciousness that still can be conscious. It's awareness with a choice. It's aware, has binary choice. That's it. Now, if you let that evolve, how does that evolve?

And we talk about how does consciousness evolve? Consciousness evolves by lowering its entropy. And a simple idea to make that make sense is that if you had an information system and all the bits were random, there's no information. You order the bits, you create information. Bits could stand for something. They could be symbols for something. Okay, so...

Creating that information is lowering the entropy. Now you have order. Where there was randomness, that's lowering the entropy of the system. So consciousness evolves by lowering its entropy. Can you explain for people who don't know sort of what it means to maximize a system by lowering entropy? Yes. Entropy is a measure of disorder.

It's also a measure of the ability to do work, to do something. If all your bits are random, you can't do anything. There's nothing. So you order the bits, that order then puts you in a situation you can do something with the bits. So both of those are equivalent. Thermodynamics, you can derive one and then derive the other one from that one. So they're all equivalent. So that's what it is. It's a measure of disorder. So you go look in your teenage...

Teenagers' bedroom, you got high entropy. - Chaos. - Clothes everywhere. Chaos, that's entropy. Now, once the system decided that in order to continue to grow, it had to break itself into subsets, pieces of itself. If you're into computers, that's a virtual machine.

a virtual machine inside the mainframe, if you will. All right, then it became a social system. You look at a social system and you say, how does a social system interact? Now, you got a lot of individuals interacting. How do they do that in low entropy? Well, they cooperate, they care, they help each other. What's the opposite of that? The opposite of that is fear.

Fear, you can't trust because you fear that person can take advantage of you. You don't work with somebody, you see if that's good for you or not. If it isn't good for you, then you don't do it.

And eventually on the fear side, you and others gang up to take things away from that person. And then they gang up and pretty soon you have all these gangs that are, you know, and you end up with a world like we've got. The one we live in where, you know, what, 90% of everything valuable is owned by, you know, 3% of the people. And it's big hierarchy with most of the people down at the bottom. Mm-hmm.

So that's the fear side. So that tells you that what is, you know, that's how consciousness evolves. So how does it evolve? It evolves toward becoming love, caring, cooperation. Low entropy. Low entropy. Okay. So now you have this system. It's aware. It's conscious. It has pieces of itself that are engaging with each other. And it's trying to evolve toward low entropy. That is the source.

these pieces, that's you and I, we're a piece of that consciousness. And what is our job? To evolve toward becoming love. That's what we do. That's what we're here for. And if we do that, we end up being happy and satisfied and life is good and everything falls at our feet just as we need it. And if we don't do that, if we're doing the opposite and we're raising entropy, we're miserable, we're unhappy, we try to manipulate everything, it doesn't work, life sucks. So that's the general thing. But

Larger consciousness system, the source. We're made in its image. We're just a piece of that source. We have all the same attributes as that source, except we're just small. We don't have the power behind it that the source has. So what's God? It's the larger consciousness system. And I was at a, actually I was using a basement of a church as a venue because that's cheap.

and I don't have a whole lot of money, so I was there and I happened to have two theologians that were there with me, the pastor and the assistant pastor of that particular church. And I put them on the spot after I gave my talk and it was a little Q&A and I said, "Hey, you two, you have PhDs in theology. Tell me, what are the attributes of God?" Now, I don't want any denominational, I'm not talking about dogma, I'm talking about just what are the attributes of God? What is God like? What are the characteristics of God?

So they huddled for about 10, 15 minutes, came back with a list of about six things. And every one of those things that they came up with was an attribute of the larger consciousness system. So I have, I get an email, I get an email, I guess every, you know, six months or so will come in and like this one lady, she says, Tom, she says, I love your work. I'm a religious person, very religious. And everywhere I go, I take two books, the Bible and My Big Towel.

And I was so thrilled at that because I expected religious people to push back. I expected people who were very religious to say, "Ah, work of the devil," you know, this sort of thing. And that wasn't the case. I've had many religious people say, "Ah, great, it finally makes sense." All these things I believed and all these things I was taught finally make good logical sense.

science has finally caught up to explain theology. And so now I hear that, and I haven't heard yet anybody give me a sign of the cross and tell me that I was work of the devil. I haven't heard any of that at all. So mostly people who are religious like it because they

Well, this lady was a nurse. So nurses, they're not high techies, but they're techies. It's all about process and logic and things have to make sense or you're not a very good nurse. So they appreciate finally understanding how it all fits together. Why is God is love? Why are we supposed to be becoming love ourself and growing up?

the religion tells them that's what they're supposed to do. It doesn't matter, like I say, whether they're Buddhist or anything else. It's just all the major religions have that, particularly in their mystical schools. Their mystical schools are the ones that still have that insight because the organized part of it that's not in a mystical school

It's about property. It's about buildings. It's about robes and things and processes. Well, that's what people love to say. Think of how many people are killed in the name of God, to which I always say, that's actually in the name of religion. Religion is not God. They're not the same thing. Exactly. Religion is not the same thing as spirituality either. Right, right. I want to go a little bit deeper into this idea of consciousness evolving.

When I was 19, I took a multi-day lecture series with a man named Michael J. Lincoln, who goes by the name of Narayan Singh, and he wrote a series of books called Messages from the Body, which gave a really detailed explanation for everything that could be going on in your body down to like, if you have an issue with this thing,

small knuckle on this hand versus this knuckle on this hand versus the base knuckle. Like it has a different psychological profile of what you're actually dealing with in your life. So like some very fascinating stuff, but he also had a theory of everything, which he didn't call his big toe. Uh, so your branding is much better, but he had, um, his, one of his courses was actually called heart centered facial analysis. Um,

Which is he would divide the face into quadrants and say that every decision we've ever made and every thought we've ever had is actually stored in our face. And as we look at someone, that process can actually shift their physical structure and sort of release whatever they have going on. It was a pretty interesting course, but it was almost a foil for him explaining his belief on power.

consciousness and the evolution of the universe. He believed that this earth was set up as a test and it's being watched by whatever exists or whatever entities or awareness or energy exists outside of this space. And they're seeing, can we evolve? Can our consciousness evolve towards love? And there's a bit of a, you know, the deck is stacked in our favor, but there's serious risk like

climate crisis and limited resources? And can we figure it out in time? And he has since passed, but you know, his

This course I took was in like 1999. So at that point he was talking about like where are we in the evolution of that consciousness development and can we figure it out? How does that sit with you and what is your belief on sort of the Hollywood trope of the ticking clock of needing to figure this out with some sort of urgency? Well, first I'll have to deny that I have any beliefs.

Let me tell you what I think about it. Sure. Close. His big picture was very close. Not quite right, but close. And I'd say that it was very good, but he didn't get all the details. But the basic part of it was right. Think of it this way. You have the larger consciousness system where subsets of it were supposed to evolve. Now,

What these pieces of consciousness do is they interact with each other. As I said, social system. All right. But in a big chat room, there's not a lot of...

They say there's not a lot of experience that's really growing helps you become love. It's all chit-chat. You can lie if you want, you know, whatever. So they needed another virtual reality. And the chat room was the first virtual reality. Virtual reality is defined just by rules. Put up a rule set. Everybody abides by the rules if they're in this set.

And then that creates a virtual reality. All right. So the system needed a virtual reality where the choices were more meaningful or more significant. What was the first one? The first one was the chat room. Just the rule set was communication protocols. So the pieces of consciousness could communicate with each other. So pre-earth, just... Yes. Pre-earth, pre-universe, pre-whatever. Okay. So just a chat room. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here. Yeah. Just...

Big chat room is what I call it. You know, they could communicate, but that was it. Entities all over the galaxy are able to send messages back and forth. There are no galaxies. Okay. Just inside a consciousness. Tohu vavohu. Before there was form. Yes. This is what Genesis describes before anything happened. This. The thing you can't imagine. That. Yeah, that's it. That's what I'm trying to put my finger on. You can't put your finger on it. It doesn't exist.

In your consciousness. But the chat room didn't have real meaningful interactions. They were all kind of shadow interactions. People could lower their entropy there, but it was slow, very slow. So the system needs to make another virtual reality that has more significant consequences and choices for the individual. So what it does is it

creates another virtual reality. Again, a virtual reality is just a set of rules that everybody works with those rules. So it comes up with a rule set and it comes up with a set of initial conditions. That rule set is what we call science, physics, chemistry, biology. The initial conditions is that

Ball of plasma, you'll recognize the big bang, the ball of plasma in a very small space, very high energy, very high temperature, and the run button is hit and the initial conditions change according to the rule set. Big bang. This is the big digital bang. It's all done in time.

Consciousness. Consciousness is an information system, so consciousness can take a part of itself configured like a computer and run the simulation. So the simulation then just evolves however it does. And like all simulations, it gets partway through and it bombs. So it changes the rule set a little and changes this and it runs it again and keeps doing that until it's got something that works and will last long enough for the evolution to be useful to the system.

And eventually we end up with our sun, our planet, and us, and we all evolve from amoebas, and here we are. Okay. So that's the, that's how... And then we elect Trump and we see what happens. Yes. All of that. All of that is part of our learning process. Yes.

Right, like there was also a Cambrian explosion. Like, you know, there have been times, you know, people get very focused on their lifetime, but in the scope of what we understand of our existence, there have been ups, downs, flares, destruction, extinction, explosion. And some of that was natural and some of that was not. But it's all natural because it all exists. Yeah.

Yes, but no, not entirely. Let me explain that. Okay, so we have this and it evolves and we finally get an avatar in this computer that does have a large decision space. It can do a lot of things, so it has a lot of choices. And we then are avatars. We are a piece of consciousness. We're what I call an individuated unit of consciousness. We're playing an avatar.

And now playing an avatar means that we make all the choices for the avatar. The avatar is just eye candy, just like any virtual reality game. You know, the wizards in World of Warcraft don't have circulatory systems or brains or anything. They're just eye candy so you can see what's going on in the field. So we're the same thing. Okay, so we're in this virtual reality.

So here we are and we're here and we're supposed to be, we are consciousness. We're playing these avatars but now these avatars have really big choices, life and death choices, you know, good and evil and right and wrong and ethical and unethical loom large every day in everybody's life.

And it's much more impactful because we have a whole feeling system that we didn't have before. We can experience pleasure and pain and all of a sudden the rushes. Right. So now this is a great system. It is a entropy reduction trainer, if you like. And we pieces of consciousness are logged on to an avatar. We make choices and by those choices we evolve or de-evolve. If it's toward love, we evolve. If it's toward high entropy, we de-evolve.

And that's the game here. So if you look at that, then you'll see that this person you were talking to basically had it right. There's a larger consciousness system, that bigger system, that has created this. This is a place to learn. We make choices. We evolve or de-evolve. And yes, there are big challenges. And we are right now, we're at the cusp of change.

So yes, changes, well let me say it this way, if you look at our evolution, say humans, humans, the Homo sapiens have been walking around about 200,000 years, roughly.

It varies a lot depending on who you read. But 200,000 years. Okay, so this, I'll try to do my graph backwards so that the people seeing it will get it right. So if you have a graph and this is time going this way, okay, and our evolution, our quality of consciousness, I call it, how much we've moved toward love is going up this way, then evolution has been

you know, what do we call it? Control power force, control power force, warlord mentality. And it's been just getting a little bit, but not much. So it goes on across and goes like this. That's because it's accelerating. The more you learn, the easier it is to learn more. So as we learn, it gets easier to do more. Now think about the last 500 years.

We've learned more in the last 500 years about growing up, about being civil and kind to each other than we had for the, you know, 195, you know, thousand years before that. So very slow, very slow, but now it's starting to move. 500 years, we've done more than all the time before it. And I'll just think of the last 200 years. We've done a lot in 200 years.

to change. So the changes are accelerating, they're getting greater. Right now we're on this near this curve, we're right here on a near the curve. And what's, yes, we have an opportunity for the first time humanity, first time in humanity's existence, we have an opportunity to take a big step forward in consciousness quality. And that's because we have evolved to the point where we have

pretty much instantaneous communications to all of us. It used to be the Buddha stood up on a rock and he talked and maybe 50 people could hear him. You see, it still spread, but that's very, very slow.

So now we can communicate with almost everyone on the planet. Probably 70% of the people on the planet are tied into a web someplace. Only very few, very rural people don't have that. And even some of them have it with a satellite. But that's a big difference. Now ideas can spread at the speed of light all over the globe. So change now is possible. But will we do it?

You see, it takes our will. Right now, when you have materialism as the fundamental ethic of how the world is, materialism comes with its own ethic. And that ethic is control, power, force. There's a material world out there. It's yours to grab. You grab it. And if you can keep it, it's yours and you can exploit it. So it's all about control.

grabbing. It's about controlling. It's about having the force to do that. Now, the ethic that we're moving to is about love. It's how can I help? What can I do? You know, how can we all end up better off for the things that I do? It's floating the boat for everybody. That's where we have to go to. That's the new ethic that goes with

I say my model, but you know what I mean. There's thousands of people that are working in that direction. It's not just me. But with this model of moving toward love, the ethic is helping, caring, kindness. So if we can make this shift now, then we will, in even just a few decades, change everything. Now, how are we going to make the shift?

The shift is going to have to come first in science because scientists are the high priests of Western culture and Western culture is now world culture. They're the high priest. They tell, what does the high priest do? He tells everybody else what to believe. Scientists now tell everybody else what to believe. If the scientists say this is true, well, then it's true. The science say this is woo-woo nonsense, then it's woo-woo nonsense. So when the scientists get it,

and they understand it, then we will hit the mainstream shortly thereafter. And when you hit the mainstream, attitudes will change because this works. I work on the soft side with a lot of people, and once you get these ideas, it's life-changing. I get letters every week about, Tom, you changed my life.

I was miserable. I was fighting with my family. Now everything works better. So it really works. And once it goes mainstream, it'll work and it'll sell itself. It won't need any marketing. But we have to make that turn and we have to get the scientists to go there. So my model also comes up with a better physics. And I solve problems like why is the speed of light a constant? How comes probabilities at the base? Oh, you've heard of the cosmic...

what is the principle? Anthropic principle. It's called the cosmological anthropic principle. The scientists found that there's a whole lot of things that have to be just perfect all together. Like this has to be this way, this has to be that way, all these things. You have to have all these constants, all these systems working perfectly or there would be no life in this universe. It would be impossible to have life in this universe.

And then the idea came up, well, what's the probability that all of these various things would be just tuned so that you have life? And of course the probability of that happening randomly is close to zero, like 10 to the minus 30 or something, that they all just happen to happen such that life could happen. And then you say, well, of course, the reason it's here is because it did happen.

But then you're saying this 10 to the minus 30 things just did happen and that's a very weak argument. That 10 to the minus 30 anything just did happen. So you have all these things, you have the speed of light. It actually changes a little bit in the 8th or 9th decimal place. It's done that like four or five times. Not much, just a tiny little bit in that decimal place. Why is that? Well, I can explain that. It's not that hard to explain.

Before you explain that, I want to, because there was just so much in what you just said to unpack a little bit, because I can see the change in the individual level. I can see the change on the community level. I can see people being in less conflict.

with more peace, with more health and well-being. We know, and we've talked about it on this podcast, we've had guests that, and expert guests, both in the metaphysics and hard science, you know, doctors who come on and say a belief in something greater than yourself. Yes.

a connection to that larger consciousness changes your physiology, removes disease in certain states, makes you more energetic, more hopeful, removes mental illness in some circumstances. Where I struggle a little bit to sort of see the jump is how do you go from the local, personal, familial level to

to the international level and the global level, where we have these conflicts over minerals, over natural resources, where you have ingrained ideology amongst culture to hate the West, to fear other cultures, to want some cultures to not exist and to be eliminated from the earth. And without a strong hand, the fear or the belief or

And a lot of evidence is the case that when too much love is given to certain actors, then they're going to perpetuate mass destruction. And without a strong leader, and the US continuing to be the world's police officers, all chaos breaks loose and entropy is at an all-time high. Right. Okay. How do you do that? There's only one way to do that. And that is when these ideas go mainstream, when the physicists say,

Alright, we physicists have concluded that this reality that we live in is information-based and that means that it can be computed, that means that it can be a virtual reality and in fact that's the only answer. There is no other answer that

that ends up with us being information-based. And a lot of theoretical physicists are there now. They'll say this reality is information-based, not mass-based, but information-based. The only logical, you know, if you connect the dots after that, this is a virtual reality and that the whole point of this is becoming love. And science says that.

When science says that, then that will change. That'll be a sea state change. There will be hundreds of millions of people who will take that

and say, "Wow, it's not this stuff. It's about caring. It's about love. It's about this. And we're doing it all wrong here. And that's the problem." And the way we overcome all those negative things you're talking about is with numbers. There will be hundreds of millions of people who see a better picture. Because right now, if you go out and just

Do a survey. People around the world randomly pick a thousand people around the world and say, how do you think the world's doing? How are we doing here? Think everything's like it should be? Can't get much better? And you find out people will say, no, it's terrible. It's awful. This world is full of trouble. It's full of greed. It's full of envy. It's full of grabbiness. It's full of control. Pow.

power and force and it's not good and it doesn't work, but I don't know any other way for it to be. Well, when they get this idea that that's materialism, that's where that ethic comes from. And that if they work together and cooperate, it's going to be different. Now, if you only have a few hundred thousand people that think that, it'll mean nothing. But if you have, let's say, one and a half billion people that think that,

they'll drag the rest of them along in a few decades. Because if that becomes mainstream, that thought becomes mainstream, that thought works. People will start reporting better lives. Just like you said, the stress will go. They'll start to get healthier. They'll start to realize that their diets need to improve. I mean, suddenly...

Life has a purpose. Life has a meaning. They have a purpose. They're part of this big picture. You see, when they see that, it's not a religion. Atheists can join just fine. Theists, atheists, all the same. It doesn't matter. And when they see that as science, it'll go mainstream.

and not a day but you know in a decade it'll go mainstream and if you have enough people they will drag everybody else along because those people will be looking look at that corporation man they're greedy they're just charging money and not you know they're charging fees for things their computer does

You know, oh, you overdrew your bank. That'll be $50. Well, nothing happened there except a computer spit out a number and then spit out a new bill and sent it to that person. No hands were, you know, no labor was caused. Nothing happened, but they collect money for doing nothing. And people are aware of that. And when they're aware of that and see that that's on the wrong side of history, that's not where we're going. We're going to a more positive place.

suddenly those institutions are going to have to change. So all you need is enough people for it to create a chain reaction that's sustainable. And I don't think that needs to be more than about 10% of the people. If you've got 10% of the people who over six months or a year start showing everybody else around them that they're feeling better, they're healthier, life is better for them, their stress levels are down,

other people will want to join and become a part of that. So if we get 10%, if we can get in 10% of the mainstream, the rest of it will come along. And the thing is that you don't, you know, the way you fix that corporate ugliness, the way you fix that awful dictator isn't to go in and grab those people and throw them out of their jobs and put somebody nice in. That doesn't work. They will revert to that same thing within 20 years.

No matter, put the nicest, put the Dalai Lama in as the CEO. 20 years later, it's going to be that same greedy corporation. That's not how you fix things. You fix things by changing the minds of the people and they will make everything else change to suit them because they will start patronizing things that are on the right side of history, moving in the right direction. They'll start ignoring the other stuff because they'll see it

Not as, well, yeah, abuse is the way it is here. That's our ethic, you know, within materialism. Grab what you can, get what you can squeeze out of other people. And, you know, it's social Darwinism. Those that make the most money are really the most fit. Those that are at the bottom deserve to be there. And you realize that's wrong. That's control, power, force. And then once you get that idea, then I think things will change.

Okay, we're going to hit pause here because there is so much more that we need to talk to Thomas Campbell about. So we're actually going to issue the second part of this episode later this week. You do not want to miss the second part of this episode. We get extremely practical into how to meditate. If you don't like meditation, he provides an alternative that does the same thing

or has the same practical benefit to creating the state that you want to achieve. Um,

And it's one of the most interesting alternatives to meditation, to increase manifestation, to increase your health, your wellbeing. Uh, like I'm really excited to share the second episode with you. In addition, the second part of this episode will feature a deeper discussion of the paranormal, um, the ways that we can access, um, the ways that we can access and manifest things in our current lives. And, uh,

I just, he also talks about past lives. He talks about past lives. He explains past lives. He also explains trauma and he explains behavior modification. So please check out episode two from our breakdown to the one you hope you never have. We'll see you next time. It's my and Bialik's breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or she was, and now she's going to break down. It's a breakdown. She's going to break it down.