731. Healing Adornments, Spiritual Practices + Karmic Love with Savannah King
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Truly. Well, it's the holiday season officially. How are we doing? I feel like it always just smacks me in the face in like the best and worst of ways. I just am cracking up because all year I was like, if I'm not with my man by holidays, it's done. And here we are. If we're not watching. If me and my man are not official by the holidays, then I'm just done for. And as we cruise on to the holidays, I'm not with said man. Yeah.

Isn't it funny how we do that? Yeah. Where like, yeah, I remember. I mean, I feel like I still do that in my life with certain things, but I just remember that specifically with dating and finding the man. I was like, if not this time, then I'm out. Yeah. I don't know what my if was of like if.

I'm not then what? But I think I don't know if I was going to spontaneously combust or whatever the thing was. But you know, the timeline just gets pushed and pushed and pushed. It's so hilarious. God laughs when we make plans. I know 100%. What does it bring up for you the holidays? I just wish I had more time around the holidays because I do feel like the holidays are some of my favorite times of year. And I

Yeah.

And then I feel like we're still like last minute Nellies on like planning trips and things like that. Like what's nice is that I do feel really present in my life, but that also kind of prevents me from like planning for certain things. So I'm wanting to go, we're wanting to go away between Christmas and New Year's. And I'm like, hey, we need to plan it. We need to book it. Actually, we need, you know, what's stopping you?

Um, I think it's, I'm waiting on some logistical things from Sean. Cause we're seeing if we can go certain places, et cetera. And then also there's just like an indecisive part of me where I'm like, do I want to be a warm mother? Do I want to be in cozy winter mother? Do I want to, you know, just kind of that thing. And there's just the whole logistical layer of having a child and kind of what that means travel wise. And I, before having a kid, I was like,

He's just going to fit into our life and we're just going to do whatever the fuck we want to do. And that's really a grand vision, but it's not always the reality of the situation, especially now.

Yeah, I don't know. It's just not for me. So I think we'll get there. But at this age, it's just different. So it's like a layer of non-spontaneity that, you know, is right now. Yeah, that makes total sense. I feel like the productive part of me gets really...

horned up around the holidays because I'm like, all you fuckers are taking off and I'm not going to take off. Totally. You're going to see... Krista's not blowing up our slack. I am. I'm going to be... Trust that. Literally Christmas day, catch me on slack. I was with a friend yesterday and she's like, we're hanging out on Thanksgiving because I'm staying here. And she's like, yeah, I'm going to be off on Thursday and then Friday so we can hang out Friday. And I was like...

After I'm done, I was like, I got things to do. So I love, I don't know if that's healthy, but, and I've been, I actually made this week, I've committed to tracking my hours of how much I'm working and I'm tracking. I just want to be more mindful of kind of my time spent recently. I felt like I just need to kind of be honest with myself about kind of some patterns that I'm in. So I'm like going to track my hours. But yeah, I do feel like at the end of the year,

It's always kind of a disappointment around the holidays. The holidays are always kind of a little funky. New Year's Eve is rarely ever as amazing as it's supposed to be.

I dropped that expectation years ago. I dropped it years ago. Like just never as fun as it should have been or as it maybe you thought it was going to be in high school or something. I don't know. It's always, yeah, just, it's always so blah. And I feel like I always get, did you ever have a really amazing New Year's Eve? Yeah. One time I, we went, I mean, this was at the time we went to Vegas. I wore a rented Hervé Léger dress. Yes. I looked like a mail order bride and I was

on top of the world. You were sliving. I was sliving. We were early on in our relationship and I was, it was like at those days when you kept talking about getting married and having kids and it was just like the best feeling in the world where you're just like in that love bubble. And that was when I like would maybe like Vegas or something like that. I think that was a good one. And then the rest, it's pretty much all been, you know, last minute. And I think for me, it's hard because I have so many friends. I don't have a group. I don't want to be a part of a group of friends.

like that. I don't like to be, I don't like to be committed to anything. So it's like, I don't know which one of my one friends I want to hang out with, you know, like who's, who's getting my time. For that night, it's a commitment. Commitment, commitment. I'm going to go to Scottsdale though. Um, the global ambassador, that hotel that I love. You guys, I get hit on four times in a weekend and it's my new favorite place on earth. So I'm committing, committing to going there for New Year's Eve to just catch some fish. Yeah.

It's kind of nice to get out of LA. Oh, completely. Yeah. I'm just like, I'm going to be out of LA. I'm going with a few friends. I love that hotel. I just, it's whatever. I'm going to get really dressed up. It'll be perfect. It's not too far away. It's, it's fine. A hundred percent. Yeah. So fun. I got to be mine. I need pictures of the guys. Oh girl. What do you mean? I need like very, I need like covert, like this is the scene at the bar. This is the scene at the lounge right now. Oh,

Have I shown you my Paris man? No, I don't think so. You described him. He is one of those that is just the more I'm away from him, the more I'm like, you are so fine. Like it's sometimes when I'm with men, I need to leave them to really feel in my body how I feel about them and really get clear on like, okay, how do I feel? Because when you're in the energy, it's kind of so it's like, I need to go away and then decide in my mind and in my truth, man, it's just

I want to go to Paris for New Year's. I know. I was like, maybe Paris for Valentine's Day. Honestly, honestly, because I don't really even want them to come into my space. I'm like, I don't want you to come to Air One with me. Like, I just I want to stay in the fantasy of like us at the Plaza. I just want to be on vacation the whole time. Yeah. I'm like, I just I want to stay at Costs and just like be somewhere that's your neighborhood. I don't want this to be true and real. I don't want this to be a part of my life. Mm hmm. Noncommittal. A hundred percent. Mm hmm.

But dude, I have to, you guys, for, okay, for traveling for the holidays, before we get into the episode with Savannah King, I had the most dramatic luggage fiasco of all time. I've never had so much engagement on social media, which actually scares me because I try and provide valuable content. And then I literally talk about losing my luggage and I have 20,000 views. I had the most dramatic luggage experience ever.

Not ever, but it was two weeks of up, down, side to side, round and round. Someone had actually taken my bag. He was in San Diego. He was actually really hot. We could have met. We didn't. He was rude. They said, it's gone. They said, it's here. They said, it's left. They said, it's da-da-da-da-da-da. And it made me and reminded me of...

being way more thoughtful about my luggage. And so now I have an air tag. Now I have one of the label tags and now I have, um, uh, identifier of like a ribbon or something on it. So that makes it look different because I'm like, kind of, I was a little bit lackadaisical about it. I check every bag. I don't want to carry on. I'm just like that. And so, especially around the holidays when so much can happen to your luggage, this is my plea for you guys. Be mindful about your travel.

I've done that before where I took someone's luggage. Thankfully, she tracked me down in 2.5 seconds and was, I think I was like, you know, getting my rental car or something. So I went back, but I mean, she ripped me a new one. Ripped me. I had it back within 45 minutes, but like it was like a big deal because I totally kind of threw off her day.

So yeah, I learned that lesson as well. Not as extreme as yours, but everyone has a fricking bag that looks like someone else's bag now. Oh, totally. You know, like everyone has an Away or like one of the other brands. And so, yeah, you got to be careful, but wait, did you get it back? I finally got it back on Friday afternoon. Oh my God. So, I mean, it was just, they, they,

At the beginning, they're like, it's gone. We don't have it. Then they said it was on the way to my house. Then they said it was in Paris. And then they called me and sent me a picture of the luggage. And then they asked me if it was like Francisco's, if my name was Francisco. My name is obviously not Francisco. Then it was lost again. And then it was found again. And then it was in San Diego. And then I had to pick it up. And then they had a courier go get it. And then it was at LAX for three days without them telling me because the girl that runs it was off work.

And then she had it finally delivered to me through a courier and it was delivered to my neighbor's house. But hey, it's all good.

We got it back. It's all good. It's all good. I mean, it was so funny because I had this romantic idea too of everything in it. I was like, I have the nicest stuff in there. All of my luxury goods are in there. And then I opened it and I was like, all of this is mid. I was like, dang, I was like, this stuff isn't even that nice actually. Like I had this like literal romantic idea of it where I was like, oh, I have like,

Gucci loafers and all of my Chanel earrings. It's like, no, it was basics. I was like, dang, this wasn't even that dope. Like I got it back. I'm like, and then I had to unpack my luggage and I was like, sad. I'm like, God, I don't even want to be unpacking this luggage right now. I was like, take it back. I was like, take it back. Yeah.

That's why I think it pays to, and I don't even know if Delta is that good, but like 100% girl, one girl, 100%. I keep getting reminded of that. I'm like, I just do the cheapest airline. Y'all can, y'all can do your Delta all day. Cool. I'm

going to be flying the cheapest airline. It's just, it is what it is. Cause you can, you sleep like no matter what, like you're kind of an easy traveler. Yeah. But it did make me realize why Delta is the best, why JetBlue is the best, why different companies are the best because this was the, the customer service was horrible. It was, they were like, I'm, I mean, the way that they were like, when I called and I was like asking for information, they're like, I'm not getting enough paid enough for this.

Um, you know, it's not even our fault that someone else took your bag and we're helping you out now. I'm like, what? It was, it was insane. I was like, this is a, it was, it was like, what? You're going to do a viral TikTok on, on Tahiti Air Nui or whatever it's called. Like, no, it doesn't even matter. Nobody cares. Yeah. Honestly, they were like, don't even care. People were like, tag the brand, tag the brand. And I'm like,

They don't have an Instagram. Honestly, I think it would piss them off more. Like because they have the power, they have my bag. They can choose whether to give it back to me. And the way that they were talking to me, if I would have tagged them, they would have burned my bag. Like they would have thrown it off a cliff. So I was like, I'm not going to set them off. They know what they did. And you know what? Maybe their job sucks and everyone hates them. So whatever. But that's our thing for the holidays. And we wish you guys well around the holidays. I know it can be a time of stress and-

overwhelm. And I think what I will say is that I noticed a lot with people that I work with my clients or even just in the community,

People always say that they're looking forward to a slower time after the holidays and then they lie to themselves. And then after the holidays, they actually are like, okay, now new year, new me, I have to go hard. So if you can actually, and this is saying coming from someone that's saying that I probably won't rest over the holidays, but I can tell you guys, you should take this time. Like people always say that they're going to take the next month to rest and then they push it the next month and the next month, actually taking the time off if you can and actually resting as much as you can because you're

If there's any time when you potentially can do that, it should be now. So as much as you can to take time off, I think you should. Yeah. And I think like noticing where you're most plugged in when you are busy. So maybe that's social media for some people. Maybe it's email for others. Maybe it's checking something else for work, whatever it is, like seeing if you can truly, truly unplug because sometimes

Even if I'm chilling, but I'm on like socials, I don't feel well rested afterwards. So just noticing that, like even if you're laying horizontal, be unplugged from the thing that you're normally plugged into because you will not at all feel rested.

Totally agree. I totally agree. I think that's my intention is I can do my thing on the things that I need to do, but I want to spend more time off social, you know, I want to, I think I'm going to get the app where it logs you off or it kind of knocks you off because I think that's really my biggest distraction.

But guys, today's conversation I'm excited about. We have Savannah King on. Savannah is a healer. She is a goldsmith. She is someone that works in jewelry and in like the metal smithing space. And the reason why I wanted to have this conversation was because there is such an ancient spiritual practice and medicine to jewelry and adornment.

and metals and form. And so when we think about throughout history, whether it's Egyptian culture, Greek culture, Roman culture, whatever mythology or even Eastern traditions, there is such a power and potency to stones and jewelry and to adornment. And especially when we think about tapping into the feminine, if you're someone that wants to be more in your feminine, to be more in your queen or your lover archetypes,

sacred adornment is such a beautiful thing. And so I was so interested to get to know her and learn more about the stories and the mythos around this and really learn about things like sacred adornment. So when you learn about stone medicine, you really learn about the energetics

qualities of different stones. You also learn about deepening your relationships to what it means to be in your adornment practice and in your feminine with these modalities. So we talked so much about that. She has so much history that she shares and fascinating information. I had a healing session with her. She did a reading on me. So

You'll get a little bit of tea on my reading and sort of what she picked up and what she went through. But I really am excited for you guys to tune into this. I think Savannah is amazing. She's super sweet. She works with our dear friend Lacey Phillips. She's like one of her jewelers. And so she has a really beautiful practice with that. But I think you'll be fascinated and really inspired to rethink Savannah.

the way that you adorn yourself and dress yourself and really seeing the ritual elements of jewelry in your everyday life as a practice to really tuning into your feminine that each of us can do.

So beautiful. It makes me think of when I used to adorn myself with like Claire's or Forever 21. Everything would be green. And you're like, why is my earlobe green? I know. You'd be like, it'll be like inflamed. Yeah, literally. I'm so sensitive. Like my ears would be freaking like, like Shrek ears. No, this is beautiful. And I think it also just like helps me to like recalibrate around the consumerism of

jewelry and things that are adorning. It's like, how do we support brands, artists, and in this case also healers who are creating things for the world, like actual physical material things that have more intention and have like a cleaner consciousness around them, which is really something interesting to think about, especially this holiday season where we're kind of bombarded with

that temptation, you know, to buy it all. Completely agree. That's why I have some pieces of her jewelry. And really when you're wearing a piece of metal or a stone, it has been impressed upon the energetic frequency of the person that's making it, the person that finds the stone. Like

It's just such a sensory thing. You know, crystals, quartz crystals are really these living microchips. They're in every computer. It's how we store memory. So you can store memory in your stone. So really being mindful about where you get your stones, having less pieces, but ones that you really love. And I've found such a different frequency

when I wear different jewelry, I kind of wear a different jewelry for different phases or to embody different aspects of who I am or for luck or things like that. I mean, I've been wearing a sapphire lately because I keep having dreams of sapphire. It's like a really spiritual stone. There's so many references to sapphire in the Bible and throughout history. And so I've really been wanting to bring through the frequency of sapphire into my life. And

I don't, I learn enough about it to be aware, but I don't really go too far and just really let it be something that is like between me and me as an intuitive hit. So encouraging people that want to connect to their intuition too, to let their intuition be their guide for what jewelry or stone or metal really feels called to them and just seeing what kind of magic or miracles unfold. Beautiful. So cool. Savannah king.com. So, so beautiful. And does she do healing? Yeah.

Yeah. So she does her sessions. I think you can message her about sessions. So she does, okay, there's stone medicine readings. So in her stone medicine readings, she does virtual readings. They're on her website. So savannahking.com, you can get one of them and she will tune into your energy centers and really share what comes forward and then suggest stones and rituals for your part of the process. Um, and it was cool. Like it was very, very interesting, very powerful. I really felt excited.

safe in her presence. And I think you guys can start it with those if you feel really called to that. So I'm excited for you guys to get to know her, share this with a friend. I think this is such a cool, interesting conversation, especially for women to be in conversation about sacred adornment and stone medicine and savannaking.com. Again, it's savannaking.com. Thank you for tuning into Almost 30. You guys are the best. We love you so deeply. We're so grateful for you. We're so pumped about all the pre-orders. It means so much to us and I hope you enjoy this.

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so much of what you know and so much of how you live. And I think there's such a powerful conversation in talking about jewelry and adornment and like the history. And you just shared so much that I was so excited about, but I wanted to start the conversation with sharing about something that happened recently for me because the audience knows I was divorced. I got divorced probably like a year and a half ago at this point. I don't really know. And I had had the ring, you know, post wedding. I had the ring at the house. I had the ring at the house.

And I remember I was on a trip in New York and I was with girlfriends and I was kind of doing my thing and it was a really beautiful trip. But at the end of it, I was like, I'm ready for my person. You know, I was just complete. I was complete with the girl dinners. I was complete with the girl trips. I was like, I love y'all and I'm ready to be with my man. I'm ready to give my life over to my relationship. I'm ready for the next phase. I'm ready for the next chapter. I'm ready for

um, for my person. And before I had been dating just for fun, for pleasure, for joy. And now I'm like, okay, I'm dating for, for real. So it was a Monday. I decided I'm ready for my relationship. And then on Tuesday night,

In the middle of the night, I had this dream where I was giving my partner back the ring. And I was giving him back the ring in the dream. And he has a new partner. And she was there too. And it was beautiful. And the ring actually alchemized into a sapphire. Which is interesting. It was blue. What do you think about that? So blue sapphires are beautiful.

incredibly potent stones. It's interesting because sapphires are almost as hard as diamonds. You know, hard stones really work with us on that soul level, old programs and, you know, help us to kind of heal things that feel like they've been with us for lifetimes. And blue is a frequency that really does have a lot to do with faith and spirituality. And so I

It feels like returning it and it having transformed that, you know, you can read your dreams in so many different ways, but it's definitely a beautiful message you could read there of,

The shift from romantic love into seeing the beauty of how you guys helped each other heal and grow. Oh, that's a good one. And like it's a peaceful frequency, right? Wow. You know, we think of blue and it's like the ocean, the sky, like these things that feel vast and somewhat unknowable but at the same time comforting. Yeah. So.

That's beautiful. Yeah, I was like, well, I didn't really know the symbolism. There is some symbolism to my mom's remarried, my parents' divorce, and her second ring was a sapphire in it too. So that was also something for me in seeing it transform into a sapphire. And so in the dream and my half waking state, my guides were like, give him back the ring. Like they would not leave me alone. I was like, I'm going to. They were like, give this man back the ring. I'm like, I will, chill, okay. Yeah.

So I was like that week, I just wanted to sit with it for a little bit. I'm like, what does this mean? You know, I wanted to be mindful. I also didn't want to have it bring up something. I don't know. Like it's, I want to be mindful that where I'm at is not where someone else is at. You know, that if I have this desire, maybe someone else might be,

um, thrown off by it or something, but it ended up perfectly. He ended up taking it back. Like his willingness to receive it. Yes. Like, cause I'm, I'm like, I know I'm processed with it, but I don't know if he's processed with it and if that would hurt his feelings or make him feel bad, but it was great. He ended up taking it. Um, and then, you know, a few days later I met someone that I'm was like super excited about, super into. So it was really beautiful. Just message for me of,

The beauty of karma, listening to our intuition, and then also with our jewelry and these pieces that hold energy, especially an engagement ring. Yeah. Like it holds so much. Have you seen that in your process with the work that you do that these pieces hold a frequency or they hold like just an energy beyond what we can sort of see and feel? Yeah.

Absolutely. I mean, that's what I am creating in the pieces that I do. But I oftentimes with custom work will work with engagement rings or family pieces that we want to bring into present time. You know, especially an engagement ring. That's a promise. It's a bond. And it's an energetic connection that you're still in relationship with by holding on to that piece. It's like a physical embodiment of that relationship.

communion that you two entered into. And so I love that you listen to your intuition on this because it's so important. I think when we're calling in a new partner, the main thing that we can do is create space. We can't control when and how we're going to meet them per se, but we can do the energetic work on our side to create space, to cultivate that loving energy within ourselves. And

And oftentimes, you know, I'll work with clients and we'll unset the stone and put it into a pendant or something else that feels present time for them, or they've returned the stone and we want to come up with another piece that now marks this new chapter for them. I worked with one woman on creating a self-marriage band. And so there's a lot of ways to work with it, but

We do. We're all vibrational beings. Like I don't believe there's any inanimate objects. I think everything holds energy. And this is a big part of why I love adornment so much is that it's an opportunity to have a perspective shift around what's sacred in our lives. When we can bring, you know, that perspective of letting the mundane be holy and

This is a perspective shift that can change all of our relationships. How can our daily acts become sacred? That ritual of adorning ourselves in the morning, it's creating a living altar on the body. We're arranging consciousness in form. We're spiritual beings having a human experience.

And so engaging with, um, these things in our daily life and bringing that awareness and loving presence to it, um, really shifts idea that things are disposable, you know, that we're in this culture that now I think is about consuming and we, um,

don't have the same relationship anymore to the gifts of the earth. And it's going to be really important that we shift that in the coming years. I love that idea of the living altar with the body and with jewelry and adornment. And what I love so much about our conversation was just your knowledge of

like, history and different cultures and societies and how they would adorn themselves? Like, the Egyptians or the Greeks, like, how were they using jewelry? What was, like, some of their experience with it? Yeah. So I love this because I'm a geek about the jewelry history. But

I think since prehistory, right? Like we have some of the oldest pieces dating back to prehistoric times and it was just a natural human instinct to adorn. We look at the beauty that we see in nature and we want to find ourselves in that cosmic order, right? Like we want to mirror back

the beauty of the divine within ourselves. So, you know, you see a spiral seashell and string it on a cord and put it on your body. And without knowing it, it's, you know, the Fibonacci spiral, the sacred geometry that makes up all life. You know, we want to find ourselves in that relationship to the earth and why we're here. And I think adornment is a way to feel a part of belonging here. Yeah.

to mirror that beauty we see in nature. And, you know, so as cultures developed and grew, a lot of it was about protection early on. Um, and so, you know, the, the idea that we, we have these symbols and we have animals that really just carry energy and we all kind of agree on that, right? Like we see a fierce tiger's tooth or claw and we're like, oh yeah, that's,

I don't want to mess with that. Um, so by adorning ourselves in something fierce, we can imbue ourselves with that energy and kind of be protected by that ally, the animal ally or, um, in ancient Egypt, it was a lot about the evil eye, um, the eye of Horus. And so this was, um,

a protective eye that was casting back anything that wasn't for your highest good. Um, and this is appears in cultures around the world. Um, and then as we progress further in time, you know, a lot of it was devotional. Um, and so the temple priestesses would adorn themselves to make a home for the goddess within themselves. Um, and so like this idea that, um,

we want to welcome in more of the divine. And so we want to create a beautiful home for it. And so like through the chiming of the bangles and the light refraction in the stones through wearing the earth's gifts, it's really acknowledging like a temple on the body that then the divine can, can enter. And a lot of, you know, adornment is a ritual practice. And so it's,

When shamans and priestesses would engage in healings or in ritual, they would adorn themselves to imbue that energy into the ritual.

This is really important. You know, I think that, as I said, like we can have a perspective shift around saying, oh, I want to see these things in my life as sacred, but we have to walk through that opening. Like ritual allows us to actually come into communion with it. It's sort of like,

how do I say this? So in nature, day doesn't just suddenly turn to night. There's a sunset, you know, there's this liminal space that kind of brings us from daytime consciousness into nighttime consciousness. And so ritual acts as this kind of space, right? So it'll invite us through the doorway, um, into feeling that communion, um, and,

And so a part of it was to dress in the energy of that which you're enacting. So whether that's the priestess enacting, you know, a ritual of Heros Gamos and wanting to come into being the goddess of love, or whether that is a shaman going into a healing and really wanting to put on all protective things. So they would put on coats that had

tons of little tiny mirrors and reflective stones on them because mirrors are very reflective and they send things back. So that's protective. Like if an energy was coming at you, that is not for your highest good. The mirror just sends it right back. Um, they were obsidian, which is another stone of guardianship. It's like, um, a really rich, um, iron stone that is like

the core of the earth is iron. Um, so this is really grounding, um, black stones in general kind of relate to the unknown, being able to walk in the mystery. Um, and so obsidian was a really powerful stone for guardianship, for being able to walk between worlds. Um,

And so there's oftentimes as well with animal spirits, as we said, like adorning yourself and, you know, a tooth or a fang or a claw of an animal would help you to imbue that energy into you. It wasn't just a metaphor. It was like actually wanting to walk with that ally. Yeah.

And then as we shifted into, you know, the last few hundred years, adornment has been a lot about showing your wealth, your status. But we can't negate the fact that it's also about beauty. And I actually think that beauty medicine is really powerful and really deep and

And it gets a bad rap because people like to suppress the feminine. And I think that beauty invites devotion. Like when you stand in a field with all the wildflowers in bloom and you see that kind of beauty, you just feel like all that we get to live on an earth like this. Even in New York City. And you just see that one dandelion like peeking through the two slabs of concrete and just

It's like, oh, I just want to stand here and make sure that no one's like tramples on the standaline. Um, like it invites that kind of wonder and awe and devotion that, you know, is, is so beautiful. And so when we, when we create beauty within ourselves, we're sort of acknowledging that we are beautiful. We, we belong here. We're, we're part of nature. Um,

And so I always want to kind of defend just the aspect that feels like vanity because there are so many deeper layers to that and we should all feel beautiful. And yeah, so it's shifted in modern times and that's where I like to bring the conversation back to some of these deeper layers and allow adornment to be a ritual that is

can bring us back into our sense of like sovereignty and divinity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love the call on the beauty. I remember we interviewed Zach Bush. It was like a year or so ago and he was like in full channel mode. We were like, what is like the point of being here? And he's like, it's not love, it's beauty. Cause like on this experience, like it's,

Like love isn't the, you know what I mean? We experience love quite a bit, but that's not the frequency. And it just really made me rethink beauty and how powerful it is. And I think we think of beauty from the one context, like you were talking about a vanity of looking a certain way of what social media may portray, but it's so different than that. And I love the point about beauty and the feminine, you know, the feminine being just the natural beauty of

and beauty embodied. So how do you see the feminine? How do you see our relationship to the feminine right now? That's a deep question. So much of my work and my devotional practice is about the divine feminine. It just always has been. And I feel...

that creating adornment that adorns souls and finding their beauty is, is the best way that I can be in a practice of honoring that. Um, I think that the feminine is going to look different to each person. And I think it's up to each of us to learn what that feels like within our own body, within our own practices. Um,

And this is a, you know, adornment is a, is a practice of creating beauty on the body. So for me, I tend to be sort of up here in these, you know, states of talking to the divine and seeing a lot of things and, um, feeling like I can easily sort of float out of body. And so having this practice really helps me come back in and feel somatically where I'm at. And, um,

With the feminine, it's a lot about being in the mystery. And to some extent, we're uncomfortable with that in the current collective times. And so coming into a state of really deep listening with the body helps uncover that. That's beautiful. Yeah, I do think it's funny because there's so many women I know want to be more in their feminine.

And it's like the desire to feel more feminine, feel more embodied. But it feels like it's coming at it from the lens of wanting to be out of burnout and over productivity and overdoing. It's almost like the over-functioning is wanting to create a safe space to land. And they're seeing that as the feminine. And a lot of women are over-functioning and more in their masculine as a way to find safety.

But I don't think you can really be in the feminine until you feel safe. So finding that safety in the body is so huge. And finding that safety within ourselves was really a lot of the path for me because I was a lot in my masculine for a while and it was very successful. I was very successful in my masculine. And then coming into my feminine is just different experience. It created new relationships, new romantic relationships, new friendships, like my whole life

just sort of shifted in this way. My guides even shifted when I stepped into my feminine, but it's such a nice experience to live in it. And it's like such a felt sense. I feel that's so beautiful. Yeah. I, I have that dance as well. I run my business. Yeah. Highly intuitive. Um, I've

live on my own in a cabin in the mountains and have to do a lot for myself and be in my masculine sometimes in that space. And yet doing that allows me the space to really tune in and to be in my feminine practices. And so I think it is a real balance and coming into my feminine for me these days is, you

is a softening to some extent. Um, but the feminine is also really fierce and really strong and really resilient. Um, it's those qualities within ourselves that's willing to go into the deepest dark. Like the womb space is this, you know, in the Taoist lineage, um,

It's like the space of no thing, like the space before time. It's this infinite connection to the cosmos that in order for something to exist, there first must be space for it. And so there's a little bit of this...

kind of overwhelming mystery there in the feminine. And so getting comfortable with walking through those spaces means, you know, shadow work. It means really looking at a lot of the places where we are out of misalignment, but also slowing down, resting, like being in nature, deep listening, getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. I think that

For me, that's where I'm sitting with the feminine these days. Yeah. Yeah. I love the point of the shadow work. And I feel like in the collective too, people are, it's like they're doing a lot of shadow work, but it's almost from the lens of continuing to affirm their limiting beliefs or it's almost like from a limiting beliefs perspective or, you

A way of like finding things they hate about themselves and then seeing that as shadow work. It's been interesting to kind of witness. But for me, the shadow work has always been what are the things that are the most

gross, that I hate, that I'd love to hate about myself? Like, what are the things I'd love to hate about myself, my experience, who I am? What are the things I'm ashamed of? What are the things I feel guilty about? Where can I find more humanity in the darkness? Where can I find more comfort in the aspects of our experience that I would normally find grotesque or off or weird? How do you see shadow work?

So I think it starts with, um, being willing to see, right. So right there of just, yeah. Seeing the spaces in her life that are out of alignment, um, the spaces in our life that still need, um, tending, need growth. Um, but then the deeper layers is offering forgiveness to that. I think that that's where, um,

I would never invite shadow work just for the sake of wallowing in the places that we don't love about ourselves. The intention is actually to see all of ourselves so that we can offer it love, so that we can forgive ourselves for

for the places and times in our life where we didn't know better or we needed to be in a certain frequency to keep ourselves safe. You know, a lot of the old stories that we have, when it's time to let them go, I thank them. Like, you got me here. You kept me safe through times in my life where...

I didn't know what else to do. And so you can offer that level of forgiveness and then offer the love. And it's not an immediate thing, right? Like I totally acknowledge that there are things that I will be revisiting probably for the next few lifetimes. And all I can do is be willing to show up for it. And in that space, I know there's grace. Like I know that if I'm willing to show up

and just be present with myself and my wholeness. Um, that is what I can do today. And if I get to a space where forgiveness comes and, you know, self-love comes and I remember that well of grace that like, I'm a part of all of the divinity here that like, we're all, um, like that reservoir of love doesn't exist outside of us. Like in each of us, we can access that,

state of, of love and it's our choice to give it to ourselves or give it to others. Um, and I don't always reach that place with shadow work, but that's, that's the invitation. It's, um, just the very first step to kind of be in full presence with the things that are, that feel hard or out of alignment. Yeah. Be willing to see. Yeah. You know, I think it's a really good one. And

I always think with shadow work too, I'm like most of the work is seeing. I was like, once you've seen what the thing is that you're shameful, feel guilty about, or that thing that was running in the background that you couldn't see before, that's so much of the work is just actually seeing it. It's so much less about taking the action and doing the things. It's, I trust that with my sight that it will alchemize on its own, you know, and it will move. Powerful. Yeah. With the

suppression of the feminine and sort of over time, like the wisdom and the magic. How do you see that? Like, how have you seen that in history? How do you see that happening now? Because women have always been the wisdom keepers. We've always been like the priestesses, like you said, how do you, how do you see that? We're uncomfortable with that, which we don't understand. And I think the feminine is often the keepers of that, which we don't understand this, the mystery. And I think the

There's a really deep invitation collectively right now for all of us to get more comfortable with the unknown. And I do believe that that's happening. I see it happening in my community. I see it happening in little small acts, you know. Yeah, I feel like the feminine...

How do I want to put it? I do believe that our awareness of the way we perceive, like all things exist in relationship.

And I think that collectively we're going to be going through a really big death thing cycle around the way we perceive certain things. And there's an invitation right now to be really open to, to the mystery, to the unknown. What do you, when you say that, what do you mean? Like a prediction, like a cycle? What do you mean by that?

I feel that we're going through a time where we're shedding a lot of the old ways and it's disruptive. We see that happening all around us. I think that

It's a time where we all really need to come into our highest selves. Like we really need to look at what's happening around us and take action in whatever way we can, whether that's internal alchemy, whether that's speaking through your community, through your work, through your art. And I think that it's, you know,

a clear ending of one way of being. And as things get harder, I think over the next year, I feel, I do feel like there's still some turmoil ahead. We have an election coming up. We have, um, situations all around the world that are really, really hard to witness, um, that, um,

We have to believe that there's coming through on the other side, right? Like, I think we have to believe that there's an opportunity that collectively we can wake up to a new way of being. And so that's what I, that's what I feel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely feel like there's a lot of shifts happening. It's almost like we've been talking about it for so long though, that I'm like, okay. Yeah. You know, it's like, okay, I thought this was going to happen years and years ago. But, um,

my prayer. And I think my thought is that I'm hopeful it'll be more gentle than we think, or I'm hopeful that because I've been conscious or awake that I will not get the brunt of all of the things, you know what I mean? That I'm not like fully asleep and in it. But I think there's been transitions we've been talking about for a long time spiritually that are really now happening. And from my perspective, I think things are getting better and better in the life of my own and the

I'm just hopeful that we can kind of continue, you know, on that, that path. I feel like with, when we talk about back to the jewelry thing, when we talk about jewelry and adornment, a lot of that has to do with stones. And I feel like people, what are like, what are your thoughts on stones and crystals and their meaning and their energy and their aspects? Because I think people are attracted to them naturally, but what would you say to someone that doesn't believe in the power of like, or the energetics of stones?

and crystals. Yeah. And there are a lot of people who see working with stones for healing in a light that's like woo-woo. Although woo is a term for a medicine woman in indigenous cultures. So it's actually, for me, really interesting because crystals are in our technology. They keep time in our watches. They're the memory chips in our computers. And so we're willing to...

To be aware of them scientifically for their capacity to hold information, for them to harmonize and keep time. You know, minerals are what feed the plants and the soil and the plants feed us. So science-based, you know, we know that minerals do a lot. So I think it's interesting that...

you know, then the shift over into seeing them a light where they would hold energy feels so out there. Uh, but I also, I love it. Like I love having that conversation because it's, it's all an invitation, right? And one doorway in for you may not be the, you know, same one for me. So, um, what I would say with the energy of stones is, um,

you know, to your point as well about things feel like they've been happening for a long time. It takes millions of years for a stone to form in the earth. And what I love about the Taoist practice, um, the lineage that I, uh, practice is that it's really earth-based. It's really about looking at the way a stone was formed in the earth, um, how hard it is,

what color it is, what its chemical makeup is. All of these things tell a story that help us understand what its energetic signature is going to be. And when we're talking about the way we feel things vibrationally, it's like when somebody walks into a room and they either like light up the room, you really feel them like they're smiling. They have this energy that you can sense where somebody walks in and they are like, it looks like they have a dark cloud over them and you can really sense that energy.

I feel that with stones, with plants, like I feel everything has a living vibration and

when we're engaging with metals and stones from the earth, we're picking up on that vibration. And so the crystal structure of a stone is talking to our DNA and it's giving us the blueprint for a new way of being. You know, so pearls, for example, are a wonderful, you know,

to look at for the way they're formed because it's actually an irritant that gets in the shell with the mollusk and

And instead of rejecting it, you know, pushing it out of the shell, the mollusk actually wraps it in layer after layer of this soft, beautiful, luscious knacker until over like six years, a glowing pearl is wrapped around this little piece of sand or nucleus that got inside the shell. And so it's this metaphor for unconditional love.

for acceptance of the things that we can't change that might be hard. And through that alchemy of offering it love, offering it what we can each day, that it can be transformed into something beautiful that carries its own inner light. And so when we look at the way a stone is formed in the earth, we can really understand how that energetic is going to work with us in our field. Can I add more examples of that? I love the pearl example. So it's like,

representing unconditional love in the way that it's made. What about a stone like, um,

an amethyst or like a rose quartz? Like what about some of like the stones that people know about in the way that they were made and what they represent? Yeah. So, um, quartz is an amazing stone to look at because, um, it's a fairly hard stone, but it's kind of in the middle. So, um, it works with us on soul level things, but it also kind of works with us like harder stones are working with those denser things, right? The soul level things, the, um,

medium hard stones are working with us. We call this the meta metamorphic layer. And this is like our emotions, um, the things that are changing in our life because that layer of the earth is where a lot of movement happens. Um,

The plates are shifting, the water is moving. And then, you know, the surface level of the earth, the earth's crust, the stones that are formed there are going to work with us more on like the things that are happening right now in our daily reality. They're going to be faster acting. And so you can kind of look at those layers. And so quartz having formed in this, you know, it's a seven on the most hardness scale. So it can work with us on our emotions, but it also has that power to go deep into the soul level.

It has a trigonal crystal structure. Quartz is a stone that is a record keeper. We know this because it's in our technology and it stores information. This means that on the spiritual level, it can store our prayers. You know, it's

In the Hidden Messages in the Water book, this beautiful book where he photographs the water, the crystals that form in the water when it's exposed to different types of prayer or loud music. Pictures of Jesus. Yeah, exactly. Curse words. So we see that. So basically, sorry, just to break that down. So that was Emoto. Masari Emoto wrote a book.

took very close-up pictures of water after water had been spoken to negatively, water exposed to photos of Jesus, the words beautiful, different situations and circumstances, and the crystallization of the water structure would change based on what it was exposed to.

which says a lot about our own body and structure and mind because we're made up of water. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. And so, you know, things that were exposed to prayer had these really beautiful, clear formations and things that were exposed to negative things were like broken. Yeah. It didn't have a clear crystal structure. Yeah.

And so quartz stores our prayers, right? It's a stone that will record what it's exposed to. And so it's beautiful for setting intentions, for manifestation work. The Taoists believe that stones that are transparent to light also work with us on more spiritual aspects, whereas stones that are opaque are going to work with us more on the physical level, like more dense stones.

challenges and quartz is also a harmonizer, you know, because it keeps time in our watches, right? It's like the crystal structure orders things. And so it helps us to, um,

take what we're working with and add some time release, some order to it, harmonizing the healing journey. And so we can set a prayer, sort of what we said before about when we want to receive our lessons a little bit more gently, that can be the prayer, right? That I'm here, I'm listening.

I don't need a thunderbolt to get the message or go through that initiation this time. You know, we can set that intention. And so rose quartz has a little bit of magnesium in it. And this, or manganese, excuse me. So this is going to be related to our heart blood. Oh, wow. So the manganese is in the heart blood. Yeah, the manganese is actually in the heart blood. And so this is what, you know,

creates that idea of seeing with the eyes of the heart. So rose quartz is a really beautiful stone for perspective shifts. It's like the rose colored glasses saying. So if we can see things differently, you know, we can see with the eyes of the heart, it sort of opens up our reality to that. So it's a really beautiful stone for that type of healing. And then amethyst is also in the quartz family and

This beautiful purple color is, you know, it's a stone that's said to be the only stone that can hold the frequency of the violet flame, which is like this really purifying energy that comes in and is really about protection and clearing out what no longer serves. And that's really important for a space like the third eye. You know, we can relate that chakra color as well with amethyst. So our clear sight, right?

So purifying out, you know, technology, like the things that we're overexposed to and helping us to wake up more of our inner intuition and inner priestess. And is the violet flame, remind me, is the violet flame just a spiritual phrase? It doesn't actually exist.

So in esoteric healing, there are different rays that can come into the body and offer their healing. And so this ray is the seventh ray in that, and it is...

Not something that everyone is going to perceive, but it's definitely something you can call on. So I actually also love calling on the energetics of a stone. You can call on a healing frequency to come into the body. And even, you know, just visualizing that is a really beautiful practice. It's, you know, calling on the holographic principle that like this energy can enter your field through internal alchemy, through inviting that.

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So there's a whole slew. Yeah, I feel like we could go on a whole tangent here. I know, I'm like, what are your favorite race? I actually don't know. I've heard of the violet flame. I've had it appear in healing, but I didn't know...

It's associated with St. Germain, who's an ascended master. And his twin flame, Lady Nada. She's the pink ray. So we go really deep on that. But I think also just color in general is a really beautiful way in for...

somebody who's approaching stones and is like, I don't know, that's a lot of information. I don't want to Google the chemical structure and the crystal structure of a stone. Just look at the color. You know, you could align that with the chakra system. You could also just feel in your own body. Like, like what does red mean to you? Like, what do you think of sensuality, pleasure, desire? Yeah. What if there was a season you would associate fall?

Is that weird? No. So I'm like, sometimes I, sometimes I'm not going with the grain. No, I love that. So, so red and the Taoist lineage is actually like this time right now. Wow. Because it's like autumn. It's,

Pre-autumn, right? It's like the harvest. It's kind of this moment where everything is so ripe on the tree, like the fruit's like falling into your hand. It's so ripe and ready. It's that sensuality of like biting into a juicy peach and letting it like roll down your chin. These are heart stones. These are stones of like really embodiment, the juiciness of life, right?

Right. So, so you can pick up any stone and look at the color and kind of read quickly into that, like green stones, you know, green grass, springtime, regeneration, renewal. Yeah. We've got this energy that comes through at that time of year.

Again, we talked about the blue stones, so much about faith and resurrection and returning sanctity after experiencing traumas or times of loss. This would be a winter stone. You know, white stones in general are associated with late fall, winter.

That's the metal element, which is, you know, a time where we watch all the trees let go their leaves. Like there's some letting go. There's some grieving in that time. But it's also like a beautiful transition into the quieter months. And so you can really quickly look at, you know, the stone's color and glean what it's going to feel like for you. Yeah. How do you see ascended masters? Are there any ones that you love and work with?

Yeah. Um, I have, who's your crew? A team. Yeah. I've got a team. Um, I am very much, uh, Mary Magdalene, sisters of the Rose, mother Mary. Um, what sisters of the Rose? So the Rose lineage, um, is a Magdalene, uh, lineage and it's really about love. And within this it's, you know, Kwan Yin, mother Mary, Mary Magdalene, um,

It's a lot of the divine feminine. Yeshua would be included in this. And I also feel my soul has spent many lifetimes in Egypt. So for me, there's Isis, Newt. Who's Newt? So Newt is the goddess of the night sky. Cool.

In the Hathor temple in Egypt, you know, her body is arced over the entire ceiling and in her body is depicted all of the stars and the whole zodiac, each sign. And she's always bowing over her lover Geb, which is the earth. And so I often love also, you know, I'm calling in partnership myself. And so I work with the...

Inanna and Dumuzi, Isis and Osiris, you know, the lovers. Yes. The pair. Who are Inanna and Dumuzi? I don't know them. So,

So Inanna is a Mesopotamian goddess, Sumerian kind of goddess of the heavens. She is very much associated with sexuality and fertility. And it was the joining of her and her beloved that fertilized the land. So it was this ritual act every year to bless the land. So, right, the metaphor of like...

the male watering the seed of the female. Uh, and so their lovemaking was incredibly important in this way. And the myth of Inanna is that, um, her dark twin, her shadow self, um,

kidnapped her beloved and took him down into the underworld. And so the queen of heaven had to descend down to save him. And at each gate, she gave one of her adornments over. And it's this beautiful metaphor for our adornments may not be physical things, right? They might be things that we've, like our soul is adorned

in our daily practice. Like our soul is adorned in the love of our husband. Our soul is adorned in dog hair. The things that we, you know, like we could adorn ourselves in the droplets of water from our morning swim each day. Like, so yeah,

this idea that as we're human beings on earth, like we're collecting these adornments. Um, and that when we do our shadow work, sometimes it's about shedding. So the things we're willing to let go of and, um,

So as she descends each of the eight gates, she gives of her earthly adornments. And so that story is one that I've really walked with for a long time, especially in terms of like sacred union and willingness to kind of be in your full earthly embodiment and juiciness and sensuality, but also be able to shed layers that don't serve. And what are we willing to do for that kind of love?

It's so interesting. I was thinking about in history how often the woman is split and her shadow self is split. It's like, you know, in the Bible there's Eve and then there's the black Lilith. Yeah. And the black Lilith is like the shadow side of Eve as the pure feminine being. And it was more in like the Judaism, the book of Judaism where they found black Lilith. But it's interesting how that's, that's happened quite a bit. Even Isis was, she has a twin, correct?

Yeah. I mean, Isis has her own resurrection story. Or is it Kali? Is Kali the shadowy one, the rage one? Yeah. So Kali's kind of a death eater. She's like, I'll burn your house down so you'll be liberated. Yes. Yes. You know, it's that kind of energy. I had a friend that was working with Kali energy and her house burnt down. Yeah.

Yeah. She was like, I was working a little too hard with Kali. My house literally burned down. Yeah. I had a fire in my place in New York. No way. Yeah. Cause you were working with her. So I was not specifically working with Kali, but I had laid down some really deep prayers about wanting to be of service and wanting to be deeper on my path. And, um,

Spirit came right in and cleared the deck. Talk that talk. That's the whole thing. So many people are like, I want to be of service. I want to live on purpose. I want to do these things. And then their house burns down and they're like, nope, just kidding. Don't want this. I say that to God all the time. I'm like, I surrender. And I'm like, one, I open, one, I close. God's like, you're not surrendered. I'm like, I'm surrendered if it looks this specific way. Yeah. Because when you really surrender...

your house is going to burn down. It could, it might not. But, but it's, yeah, it's, it was very hard. And at the same time, when you go through things like this, we know there are initiations, like there's beauty on the other side. There's beauty in, in the moment, right? At the time it feels so hard and you have to grieve and you have to go through the actual muck of it all. But, but,

it does clear the deck. Like it's a clean slate. It's a new beginning. And for me, spiritually, I really needed that. It, you know, I lived in a rent controlled apartment in prime Williamsburg. You don't give up those places. So spirit came in and was like, we, we need you to get out of here. And, um,

It was beautiful because I've always been somebody as an artist that collects a lot of things and has, you know, art on the walls and, you know, little bits and bobs from my travels. And it, yeah, it put me in an apartment for six months afterwards with just a blow up mattress. Yeah.

And, uh, and a tea bowl and my kettle. And I, I found a tea practice, Chadal, the way of tea. And it's this really beautiful practice of meditating with tea in the mornings and connecting to nature, connecting to self, connecting to others. If you're there with another person and it's so much simplicity, you boil the water, uh, you, uh,

pour it in the pot, you steep the leaves, you know, it's your breath, fire, water. It's just these, these elements. And I was in an empty room with white walls and I really met myself for the first time in a long time. Like I had changed a lot over that period of time and I hadn't slowed down enough to really meet the current me. And I had just six months of, yeah, a little blow up mattress, white walls and my teapot. And I,

was allowed to find out who I was in present time. And it was hard. It, it,

I didn't fully find my way for maybe another two years after that. I moved to California and the first year here, I was like, what did I do? I miss New York so much. I'm like starting over from scratch. I had been working out of a goldsmithing studio in New York that I apprenticed at and taught at for years that focuses on ancient and classical goldsmithing. And it was a really beautiful community there.

So to leave that felt really challenging. And I came out here and had to just get all of my own equipment and set it all up. But even within that, I realized that the work was requiring more of me. You know, working in secret adornment, you know, when I'm working on these pieces, it's it's.

an act of prayer, you know, like each step I'm really imbuing the pieces with that energy. And sometimes for, for custom work with clients that can look really unique, you know, I work with affirmative prayer, so I'm visualizing them, you know, if the intention that they have is, um, to meet their partner. Right. So I'm, I'm working on the piece and I'm really affirming that the universe is bringing this person towards them. And, um,

you know, getting in this state, I'll ask for a playlist sometimes. So like I'm really cultivating an environment that's nurturing those seeds for my clients. And I couldn't do that in a shared New York studio space. I was going in at night and trying to like do all my ritual work in

It's like, ha, ha. So that was also this really clear invitation. So yeah, you lay down the prayers and you got to be willing to follow it. Yeah, just surrender and trust. I literally was so inspired by the notion of slowing down to meet the version of you that existed because you had changed so much. And I just feel that so...

powerfully cellularly for myself and for our audience, because so many of the women that are listening are in deep prayer and growth and transformation. You know, it's a lot of what we do here is in support of growth and transformation, but being in support of you spending time with the version of yourself that you've become is so stunning. You know, I think about myself, I'm like, wow, I just,

And being in this single season, I have the time to meet myself and be with myself. I've found that it's been really beautiful before bed. I go to bed so early, but I will go to bed not fully tired. You know, like normally I would go to bed within three minutes. I'm asleep. Like it was actually like alarming. My aura ring was like, is everything okay? You fall asleep too fast. Yeah.

But now I'll go to bed a little bit earlier than when I'm tired so I can have time with myself and I can just let my mind wander and I can just be with myself to think and notice what I think about and notice what I ruminate on and talk to myself and process the day and like just spending time with myself in bed. Like I'll be like, what happened today? How are we feeling? Let's replay this. Let's watch this. Let's notice what we daydream about. Let's notice what we think about. But

The, I just love that practice. And I think that so many women could benefit from like, even having a dinner with this version of yourself. Like, what are you like right now? What are you interested in? How are you showing up? Like, how are you feeling about your life instead of being so focused on maybe the past version or the future version?

A hundred percent. Yeah. And I, I found myself surprised, like even checking in with what I wanted to eat again. Um, and I think I also, I know that was dramatic that I said, wow, but these things are crazy to me. We go through cellular changeover as well in our lives. And, um, just assuming that I think the whole thing is just assuming that you'll be the same, like

Assuming the sameness of your experience in life and likes and desires for a long period of time is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, in my 20s, I was kind of wild. I played bass in an all-girl rock and roll band. I could see that. I waited tables and bartended. I was like kind of a cool rock and roll chick. And then...

I just shifted and it felt divinely timed. Like it felt like the right time to shift and grow. Um, but it was like all of the psychic gifts that I was kind of drowning out, um, reached a boiling point and I just had to surrender over to this new way of being. I stopped drinking. I, um,

started meditating and praying in a really, uh, structured way. You know, I think that previously I almost avoided meeting myself because meditation was a space where I felt like I met God, like I met the divine there, um, and met peace and, and, um,

There needs to be like a little bit of an in-between to really meet yourself, I think on some level, because yeah, like figuring out what you want to order now at a restaurant, like I don't smoke and drink anymore. I got to figure out what my taste buds want. And, you know, just all of these interesting things that came up where like my sense of smell really changed after quitting smoking in my twenties. And, you know, it's been 15 years from that time in my life, but I learned so much and

about giving yourself just that free time. And I know it's precious. I know we all live really busy lives, you know, but I think now adornment for me is one of those ways that I get to play with that because when we get dressed in the morning, we have an opportunity to kind of meet who we are that day and like,

put on the color that we want to be in alignment with or yeah put on our jewelry that carries our ancestors or our loved ones with us or that you know I have my Camargue cross which is for Mary Magdalene I have my fish which is you know actually in many traditions it's resurrection Yeshua it's

It's also the yoni in ancient traditions. But for me, I was researching my song to the siren collection and was a lot about reclaiming the feminine archetypes of the sea, the siren, and Aphrodite. And I read that the Sanskrit term for goddess of love was she who has a fish as her emblem. And so I was like, yes, I would like to embody that. Wow.

And so when we get dressed and we put on our adornments, it's like we get to choose what energies we're walking with. And so that can be a place to play and get to know ourselves again too. Wow. And the symbols, they speak to us on a conscious and subconscious level. Yes. You know, some of the... And that's why...

I have decks. I have tarot decks with Modern Tarot. And the reason why I created them is because I just love the study of archetypes. I love that we study these images and symbols that have been passed down over time.

that have been stored in our collective unconscious that represent things that we can see, that we understand both consciously and unconsciously. And I love that with the archetypes too, as it relates to the feminine and women. What did you find about sirens? Because I've heard so many mixed things. I've heard that they're tricksters. I've heard that they're evil, but they're also very powerful. Yeah. I mean, to me...

are they evil? Are they tricksters? I mean, they're just being beautiful on their rocks, singing their songs, like. Tempting the men though. They're tough. Well, but good on them, man. Like you got invited onto the rocky Island full of mermaids. Like if that's how you go, you know? So that's where I like to play a little bit with that is that I'm not saying that there aren't energies out there that you want to have protection against. I

I do believe that there's polarity here for sure. It's a good one. But I do think that we can learn a lot from the archetypes when we play devil's advocate, right? We kind of dance with how has history portrayed them? Who is the historian? Who's telling that story? You know, if, if the historian is an old white dude, like maybe we reassess what that version of history is. Yeah.

And myths have been carried for generations and generations and generations because they're powerful. Our stories have meaning. They would not have survived the test of time orally being told over fires for thousands of years if they weren't meaningful to us, if they weren't carrying medicine. So this is really important, I think, to...

look at the way we've been in relationship with archetypes and find out if that's true for us. Um,

And what we can learn from it. And just also like, I loved what you said earlier. Like sometimes it's not about the doing. Sometimes it's just letting it move and live through you. Like Roke's like walking with the question, living with the question. So just by kind of letting an archetype or a story walk with you, just seeing how that alchemizes within your field, within your interactions. And the siren was really potent for me because it's,

There were so many depictions in jewelry and in art that were of the siren with the two tails. And so her, essentially her, her legs are split displaying her vulva. And so,

this is a really bold forward image. Like it's really of the feminine of sexuality. Um, and then it was funnily enough, like adopted by the Christian church and, and carved into a lot of stones, um, over sacred sites. It's like this kind of protective deity. Um, and so like, as if it's like this fierce sort of like, uh,

like monster, you know, almost. So I just, I always want to kind of re-invite some of those maligned archetypes to the table and, and say like, you know what? I want to sing like a siren. Why not? You know, like, let's see what happens. Um,

And it's our responsibility, of course, to move with energies, with integrity, with authenticity. But we can also play a bit and trust that the people in our lives are also in their integrity and know how to handle it and say yes or no. Right? So anyway. Yeah. When I was in Ibiza, you could...

There's siren energy in the water. It's like, wow, this is very, very interesting. How do you see spiritual protection? You know, if people want to protect themselves spiritually, they feel like they're in need of protection. What would you suggest they do? And how do you view spiritual protection or energetic protection? Yeah. So I think this is very real. I do too. I have...

dreamed actually in the last few weeks of black tourmaline a lot. And this is one of my favorite stones for psychic protection. Um, tourmaline scientifically they're PZ electric, which means they, um, emit a force field. Um, it's measured. And so these stones are creating an energy field around us and black tourmaline. Again, those black stones being really protective, um, connected to the core of the earth. Um,

you know, this is going to create a field where I like went through years where I wore just black tourmaline on my ears because I'm very sensitive. And, you know, our ears and eyes are where we take in the world. We receive so much information. I think 86% of our processing comes through the eyes and the rest is through the ears.

Yeah, so what we place here has a real impact and can filter what we're perceiving and receiving from the world. So black tourmaline would be a really big one. Obsidian is an incredible stone for protection. I would say as well that it's important to get to know your guardians. So personal guardianship, this could be...

honoring your ancestors, getting to know if there's someone who wants to be in your field and helping you with this, calling on them. I actually had a really sweet reading with one of my mentors, Caroline, a few weeks ago. And she, I said, has your grandmother passed? And I said, yeah, she, she did. She said, well, she's here. I was like, oh, what is she, does she, something she wanted to say? She's like, oh, she's just listening in. And I was like, that's so funny. It's like,

And my southern grandmother is just eavesdropping on my. Yeah. And she's like, I'm just here to I'm just here to witness. Like it just sounded juicy. Yes. But then she followed up and said, but I'm always here if you if you need me, if you need anything. Right. Yeah. And I think sometimes I had a grandma one time. She's like, I just like to watch.

She's like, I just like to watch what you're up to. Yeah. For her, she's like, I don't really know what's going on with this life. Like, I just like to witness. Like, yeah. Which is so sweet. But we could also give them a job. We could also say like, hey, I'm going into this situation. Could you offer your loving presence? And, you know, so we can also get to know someone.

Through our spiritual traditions, I think that it's important when we're in a new age sort of idea with spirituality that we actually find anchors within it so that we do have things to call on. Right. And so this is going to be different for each of us. And.

That might even be that you have a real kinship with animals and that you have an animal guardian that wants to walk with you. I'm not saying you have to be in a specific religious practice, but...

uh, calling upon energies that you can, you can say like, you know, even, you know, mother Mary divine mother, I'm, um, about to take this trip. I'm, you know, anxious about X, Y, and Z, or I I'm feeling great about it. But if you could just watch my back, if you could send me a sign, if something is about to happen, then I need to watch out for, you know, you can, you can ask for help, but you can call on your guardians, um,

It's also about creating space in a way that's mindful. I think especially with a lot of the new age things now, we forget that we need to create a strong container for the work that we're doing. It can be simple. Let's say we're having a birthday party for somebody. We're going to put up balloons and we're going to play fun music. We're going to create the space.

So if you're going to do a journey at home, um, create the space, like, you know, set yourself up so that you've cleared that space of, um, anything that feels like it's not present time, that it's not serving the highest good. Um, you've called on your guardians, you've, you've called on the ancestor, you know, whatever it is that you need to do to, um, ritually create a safe container for you to do those things in. Um,

So all of that I feel is really vital when we're talking about protection and on the body, you know, again, I think that anywhere you feel that you receive a lot would be the placement where you would want to put your protection, um, you know, shield and sword kind of work around the heart, like these kinds of energies, you know, you could do a black tourmaline or an obsidian even here as well. Um,

And some people find that the inverse is true, that like by putting a rose quartz or really like pure loving presence there is its own protection. So trust your intuition always, especially when it comes to your body and like our somatic, we know in our bones what we need. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I think for me, it was the conversation around protection. It was like, I was so focused on protection for a little bit that I think the energetic frequency behind it was fear. And so I had to come into a place where I had like an anchor of spiritual confidence within myself to not be afraid of anything and be able to go to the depths or see the dark or see evil or see

yeah, the things that I was most afraid of and realized that, you know, it didn't have the power over me. And now it's just so much easier to be going to places with my clients or going to places where

spiritually by myself because I know that like I'm unfuckwithable and that there's nothing that can really mess with me. And I think that also helped by recognizing that a lot of times when we have an entity or a negative guide or a thought form that we've contracted that in our greatest good or in support of our path. Um,

that the negative guide or entity was actually desired by us to help us overcome it, to move forward towards our destiny or towards our fate. But I think people get really focused on protection and I think it's,

I've found that when I focus more on my own alignment and my own frequency, being a vibration of love and of expansion and of joy, that kind of is its own protection. Like the best protection is your own healing, you know? So just really focusing on that. Well, and I think, you know, what you said reminded me of what we talked about with the challenging initiations, right? Like having the fire and these kinds of things. After you go through challenging stuff, right?

you're like forged in the fire. So you do have this kind of inner protection of knowing that you'll be okay. You've got your own back. Like you can go through really hard things and come out on the other side. And so I think that is really beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. And having a good relationship with your guides or your team or your ancestors is a really, really good one. I think the biggest thing for protection that I'll say is just consciousness. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like just noticing, okay, walked into a room, feel a little funky. Like I reject any thought form entity, energetic frequency that doesn't serve my highest and greatest good, you know, like kind of just noticing, saying hello, saying goodbye, just being in your body, being in your intuitive senses to notice when things happen or shift and then just making a decision based on that. I love that because I think actually that's the most important part

of protection is, is knowing where the negative energies, like what, where do they ride in on? Yeah. You know, so if you're looking at your phone for 20 minutes and then you feel icky, like, you know, that's a sign, you know? So yeah, you go into a room and there's an energy that you, you're feeling unsettled by. Um, we really want to pay attention to the energetics and listening to our body and yeah, like

Maybe we don't have that screen time. Maybe we... The screen is such a portal for that. That's for me. You know, I had in past lifetimes, like many of us, spending time as a witch was, you know, killed for my voice. And then in this lifetime, I recognized that I was manifesting a negative thought form

to keep me from speaking or keep me from being in my bigness. And I was having that validated and confirmed by watching YouTube videos of creators being canceled.

where I was like, I went through this week where I was like, why am I watching these videos of these people being canceled? And I was like, oh, that's to affirm the belief that I have that if I speak my truth or if I am in my bigness, I will also be canceled. So it created this like energy where I was like manifesting in my reality, the thought that I had about my own speaking of my truth. Yeah. I mean, you have an incredible connection to the cosmos and the divine. When we did our reading, I was like, oh wow, cool. Um,

And so those are the things you're going to face. You know, it's like when we have really heightened gifts in one area, um, we expect that our, like our insecurities and our fears are going to be the, you know, the, the bottom side of that barrel. Right. So it's two parts of the same hole. Um, and

And so it's beautiful. Like you acknowledge it. Yeah. We, we might have a week where we fall down the rabbit hole. And then if you're in your practices, you're paying attention, you catch it. Yeah. You know, cause it's always, and I think the very beginning, if we were to go, you know, we're here talking about protection and awareness and kind of the prayers. It's like to go back to the very beginning meditation to create the witness state.

Because the witness state allows you to do everything. Yeah. Because then I'm witnessing, oh, I feel kind of funky. I'm noticing a pattern. Why am I watching these videos? What am I getting from it? Is this helpful for me? Is this helpful for my life? Okay, I'm noticing a pattern. What are we doing to affirm what belief? How is this impacting me? How is this, you know, affirming my belief of keeping myself small? But there was something I wanted to ask you just because we had our session that was so beautiful. You said that you were kind of running from your gifts before. Yeah.

What, what did that look like? And how did you step into them? Cause I do feel like a lot of women listening feel like they have a lot of gifts. They have a lot of intuition. They have a lot of psychic abilities. I know that was my case for a long time. What did the running look like and what was stepping into your power with it? What did that look like? Yeah, I, I've been highly intuitive and sensitive my whole life. Um, and I,

My home life wasn't always easy. So by the time I was a teenager, I barely talked. I was completely introverted, extremely shy, and just had a real distrust of the world and relationships. And so...

it was a slow journey out of that. To be honest, I, I met my best friend, Paula, who is still my best friend. Um, and it was like, I feel like we, we saved each other in a sense of having, you know, being truly seen by another person and someone that you feel safe to share with. That was Lindsay for me. Yeah. It's like those relationships really are gold. Um, and, um,

Within that, though, we were both young and we both had things that we were getting over moving through. And so for me, it meant being a teenage runaway to New York and picking up a bass and just kind of living a carpe diem lifestyle, which I don't regret. And I don't feel was, you know,

out of alignment with my soul's growth. I think it was a big part of my story for sure, but drinking and overworking and being kind of in a state of burnout just was my way of not facing the deeper stuff. And I think the drinking also was a way to tune out the voices I was hearing, the things I was seeing. Oftentimes for me, it feels like

Um, like a radio is in your head and the channels are getting turned and you're hearing a lot and seeing a lot. And so at that time I had no tools for that. I, I didn't even feel comfortable talking to anyone about this reality that I had, um,

And my mom was always really sweet and supportive. And she would like take me to the local psychic to have a reading or, you know, one of our neighbors did tarot cards with a plain deck of cards. And so she would like take me over there at night to meet her. So she wanted to nurture it. But, you know, just it wasn't something that I was raised with any understanding of how to have energetic hygiene, how to ground myself, how to check in with what's mine, what's not mine, being empathic.

And so as I moved through my twenties, I just, um, had a series of those hard initiations that caused me to, to need to seek out teachers and healers who could give me those tools and, um, create daily practices to support being highly sensitive being, and also finding my path with my art. You know, I, um,

I came to goldsmithing and fell in love with it and had like goosebumps my first day in the studio, just having this deep past life remembrance. And that kicked off this level of devotion and desire to really create, um,

with all of my spiritual practice and my love of the divine and nature and, uh, like with the gifts of the earth, stones and metals. Um, and so it was one of the first steps as well to me changing my lifestyle. Um, but it's, it was scary at first, you know, I think that a lot of people can relate, like we have these gifts, we see and hear things, but we don't know, um,

what to do with it. We don't know if it's for us, if we're overhearing it for somebody else, like we're feeling things in our body that, you know, might be picking up somebody five feet away from us on the subway train. Uh, and so it was, it was a longer journey for me than maybe I would have liked it to have been. But once I found my teachers and the practices that really supported me, um, I, I never went back. Yeah. Yeah. And it's living in your

It's like, what's authentic to you is having that connection, using that guidance. And I think it's been beautiful because with my one-on-one clients, it's like, because we're in container together and it's one, it's like in the space of us, it's permission to be in my gifts and be in my, yeah, to be in my gifts because, you know, before it was like, I have my gifts,

and my abilities, but there's not always permission and I never want to overstep on someone else's free will. I want to always make sure that it's like people are willing to receive and able. And so it's nice to be in a space where I can really step into like healership and just psychic. So beautiful. Yeah. Because it is about the container and it is about consent. So for me, I learned to open and close the channel. I don't want to be a nosy psychic. I don't want to, you know,

make anybody uncomfortable. And so when we're in the space of doing a reading, you know, there are prayers, there's work I do beforehand to open and close the container. There's the work we do together to open and close the container. And there's permission.

And, and, and in that way, it's so healing, um, to let it be a gift, let it be of service, um, and then to thank it and be able to go and walk my dog. Right. And leave it. Yeah.

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Yeah. So when we were talking about sacred adornment, which is how I practice making jewelry, um, the body placements can get really important and detailed and nuanced. First thing I'll say though, is always trust what you feel is right on you. Um, but one of the, um,

Lineages that I love to work with is the Vedic palmistry. And so you can have placements on your hands to enhance certain energies or to balance certain energies. So for example, our pointer finger is our Jupiter finger.

And this is going to be a really great placement for expansion, growth, manifestation work. Yellow stones really support this, yellow sapphire. But in general, you know, if you're manifesting something, you could place a ring there that feels like it's attracting that energy. And then our middle finger is our Saturn finger. And so we would create an adornment there that

would support the structures in our lives being there for our liberation and, you know, not our hindrance. You know, Saturn can sometimes feel constricting. And so it's like, how can those structures in our lives support our liberation?

Um, and then our fourth finger is the sun placement. And this is how we shine. Um, also our relationships, how, you know, how we're seen, you know, so that sense of shining and that's like the sun's light is what gives us sight, right? It's like how we see in the day. So, um,

allowing ourselves to be seen in the world, getting comfortable with that, how we relate to people. And it's also really interesting to me that that's fourth fingers, like the wedding band finger. Um, in Roman times it was believed that there was like a special vein that went from the fourth finger to the heart and that wearing adornment, uh, rings there would imbue a sense of faithfulness or loyalty to your beloved. Um,

And the very first wedding rings were actually of red stones, like garnets and rubies. Yeah, why diamonds? Well, diamonds are actually a marketing thing. Wow. Look, I love... Fell for it. I love a diamond. And it's a cool story. Yeah.

about the woman who came up with the marketing, but essentially De Beers had the market on lock for diamonds. And we shifted culturally from a time where people were like wearing diamonds to dinner and the upper class was like the only ones who had access to diamonds and pearls to the average, you know,

wanting to adorn themselves. And diamonds are actually extremely abundant. It's compressed carbon. So that's what we are. They're actually one of the most common minerals on the earth. They're very, very abundant. So the value of a diamond isn't in its rarity. It's in the market.

So these bigger corporations have the market on lock. They only release X number of diamonds per year. But the marketing strategy was that they wanted to be able to sell a higher volume of smaller diamonds at varying price points so that they maintain the value of the diamond, but they could still expand their business. Because if they just, you know,

put the diamonds on the market with the high abundance that they're in, they lose their value, right? Because they're more common. So it's like the rarer stones that have a higher value. So they were creating rarity by only releasing a certain amount. So the marketing strategy that they came up with was a diamond is forever that this like is

is your, your symbol of your love. And it, it is a good stone choice, right? It's super hard. It's really durable. So for women who are going to be, you know, using their hands every day and wearing it for a lifetime, like it's a great choice for that. Um, but it put diamonds in every household.

And it became also still exclusive because it's the engagement ring. So it's like we're probably only reaching for like one big diamond ring in our lifetime, which is this symbol of love. And so it was a brilliant strategy, but that's... Wow. So it doesn't really have any symbolism historically except for marketing. Well, so...

Yes and no. I mean, so the actual, if we take aside our cultural relationship to it, um, the diamond shape is very protective. Like you see it in the Taoist scrolls, like protection scrolls, um, and diamonds in their pure form, like do actually form in this diamond shape. Um,

And, you know, compressed carbon. So our bodies are carbon. So they're formed really, really deep in the earth. It's intense pressure, intense heat. So how, what we go through is

is what makes us sparkle, right? Like that, like those hard things we go through, um, create the magic, the beauty in us. Um, so there's a lot we can read into here, like our highest self, right? Like we've been through the fire and we're distilled into our essence now. Um, so I think diamonds are a beautiful stone to work with on the energetic level, but

it is hard to separate it now from the cultural association. But I love, I love diamonds. So that was ring finger. Yeah. So the ring finger, yes. Sun. And then our pinky is mercury. Mercury. So mercury is our communication. The stories we tell ourselves and others. This can actually be a really interesting placement for magic work because, you know, how,

How we speak is a form of spell casting, you know, the language that we choose. And so pinky is, yeah, a little bit of a magic, magic placement. Wow. Thumbs?

And so the thumbs, you know, I feel like it's interesting because each mound has a different thing. And so for me, the thumb doesn't so much resonate in the Vedic. So it just, I go off of what I feel is true. And I've been invited to make some Vedic prescription rings in my time. And it's a very strict process. There are a lot of...

fine points. And sometimes the piece needs to be prayed over for a certain number of days with certain mantras. Um, it, the, the rings always need to have an open back so it can have contact with the skin. Um, there's all these nuances. And so this part really resonates for me in the Vedic tradition. Um, the Taoists have a different, um, but often overlapping view of body placements based on acupuncture points. Um,

And so, you know, we can look at multiple ways in, but again, always trust your, your body's yes and resonance to something. Wow. Yeah. For people when they're thinking about their jewelry, can they pray over their jewelry or like, does it hold intention? Does it depend on if the jewelry is crap jewelry or like if someone has really cheap jewelry, does that, what, how does that impact them?

So I feel like everything can be sacred. I would never want to say that because it's, you know, not made of gold, it's not special to you. Like things can hold meaning. And there's also a lot of different metals that are really beautiful that don't have a lot of value. Copper being one of them. I personally have a skin irritation to copper, so I can't wear it, but yeah,

It's in the alloy that I work with with gold so that the energetic is still in there because there's a lot of resonance with copper and certain stones. So I would actually be less concerned about the value of the piece and more about the

our relationship to it. So all things exist in relationship, as I said, and I personally do pray with my jewelry. I set intentions with the stones and the metals, um,

I place my jewelry in altar space. I have, you know, little drawers that like are silk lined. And like, if I'm putting it away, I'm kind of like, oh, I worked with this piece for an intention that's no longer present time for me. I'm going to put it in the drawer for a while and kind of revisit it and set a new intention when I'm ready to wear it again. So there are a lot of ways you can do that. I would definitely say that,

It's important to think about what we're calling in, though. So if you have old pieces that, you know, may not be highest vibration, you know,

all good. And, you know, shifting the mindset so that maybe what you're calling in in future are gemstones that have not been heat treated, um, that come through ethical channels so that the communities that mind them and the earth where they came from, um, is in some measure of reciprocity. Um, working with gold is beautiful. It's an energetic that I feel like we all could, could use. It's, um,

monatomic, which means that it can exist in its wholeness and one single atom. Um, it'll never tarnish. It's extremely soft, but extremely strong at the same time. Um, it has a association with the sun, which I feel like the sun is this source of unconditional love. Like it shows up for us every single day. Like we all grow up towards the sun. Like you see the, the little flower, like opening like a bud in the sunlight. Um,

And so it's this kind of energy with gold. It's really loving. Um, it feels like the dad, you want to tell you a bedtime story and like tuck in. Um, and it's also, we look at it collectively. It's, it's what we set our currency against. So it's values, um, our self-worth, you know, adorning yourself and goals are really beautiful way to affirm your self-worth. Um,

I always joke that like if the aliens are coming for one thing, they're coming for our gold. And, uh, you know, and then on the other hand we have silver. And so silver is also a beautiful, precious metal to adorn yourself in. It has a different energetic. It's more associated with the moon. Um, so this is going to be actually a bit more in the feminine, a little bit more mysterious. Um,

And it has long cultural history with, you know, Native American traditions of silversmithing, Mexican. Like, it's a beautiful metal as well. So I would just invite, if you're calling in future adornments, to think about the...

you know, where it's coming from on the earth and what that relationship's like and, you know, be moving towards things that can support your highest vibration while also, you know, still loving the pieces you have that the stones might've been heat treated or it might be a base metal that's plated. And that's okay too. Like it's, it's still holding a place in your life. But I will say also, if you, if you feel like you have a piece that

Um, is carrying old energy or was gifted to you from someone that you're not in contact with anymore and you don't want their energy in your home, um, or even handed down from a relative and you're not sure what the history is.

You can also clear your jewels. So all stones and metals come from the earth, so we can return them to the body of the earth for cleansing. So lay them out overnight in the soil of your healthy houseplants, or if you have an outdoor space, you know, you could set them out there. That's a really good way to neutralize the energy. And depending on what it is, there might be deeper strategies for it, but you can always start there. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Beautiful. Last question. What would someone do or what are you doing to call in that divine union, that partner? What can someone do to call on their partner? Yeah. So this is beautiful. I think that, um,

When calling in love, it's important to cultivate love within ourselves. And I know people say this all the time and it's the worst. I hate when people say it. It's like, oh, come on. But it's really all we could do. You know, there's some measure again of surrender and trust to divine timing. And that's one piece that I would really invite is like,

I think in our current society, we have a tendency to want to manifest quickly and hit goals and, you know, have the lists and all of this stuff. And with love, it's more ephemeral. It's something that is on a soul level. And so trusting...

divine timing, working your prayers, being really clear with your guides, with your spirit helpers, what it is that you're moving towards. And then there are practices we can do as well that create an energetic bond with that which we're calling in. And so we had talked about, you know, there's a practice where you can

feel in your own heart, like the energetic cord that you're extending out to your beloved and

You might not feel it the first time you do this practice, but maybe the next time you will, where suddenly, you know, you feel an energy coming towards you as well, like you're being met. And you can see, like, what's the color of their energetic cord? You know, what's the texture of it? Like, what does it smell like? Does the air feel cool? Does it feel warm? You know, you can start to sense that.

the energy of the person you're calling in, you're moving towards, because that which we're moving towards is moving towards us as well. What you seek is seeking you. Yeah. And so you can also begin there. And if, and if there's an agreement of, yes, we, we want to come together, then you can start a dialogue. And, you know, this again with the divine timing, it may, it may be asking that person, are you in a situation that you need to clear up?

so that we can be together, you know, inviting them to be doing the work as well. So if you're on your end and you're taking inventory of your life, you're creating space, you're, you know, returning the wedding rings, you're doing all of these action steps. You can also ask them to be getting ready and be preparing for you as well. And so for me, it's a tender space. You know, I think that

And it's a lot of just being present for what is and keeping my eyes open, being open to new experiences. And one of the pieces that came in this summer for me around it was

a return of a little bit of like childlike play and joy and remembering how fun it is to connect with people. Uh, not every person that you connect with needs to be your soulmate. Like you said, you kind of went through that period and,

And so I'm in a space right now of remembering some of the sparks that are present in that and tending to the flame there. Just the best. Yeah. Nothing like it. Nothing like chemistry. Nothing like the connection. Yeah, I had a lot of karma. Just like a lot of karmic relationships to clear up. So it's been like each has different medicine. Each has different things. But...

I think staying in the mystery and staying in the trust is like the most beautiful thing. So this has been so much fun. I could talk to you forever. I'm like, I want to sit at your feet. I really appreciate our session and my piece, which is in my room now. It's so stunning. Where can people connect with you and find you? I'm on Instagram at Savannah King Jewelry. Do you do sessions publicly? So the readings I...

Sometimes have available and sometimes don't depending on my energetic availability and my workflow. True healer. Yeah. I always want to be showing up for that space with full service. So if I'm not able to be, they aren't available. But yeah.

Um, they're usually on my site. You can book in and I have a new collection coming out for winter solstice, which is exciting. And in the new year I'll be teaching a online course, all things sacred adornment from the goldsmithing to the stone medicine to, um, cultivating your own practice with sacred creativity. I love that. It's like, yeah, when people are interested in the divine feminine and

really just getting into the magic of these practices. I think that's stunning. So thank you for coming. Yes. Oh my gosh, my love. Thank you so much for having me. This is so much fun. I felt like when we did our reading, you know, you have that feeling where you meet a friend that you've never met before, but you know, they're an old friend. And I think that's a gift of yours. It's my, I think it's my,

Maybe my greatest gift is everyone feels like I'm their friend. Yeah. It's like this immediate warm like… Kinship. Kinship. Yeah. It is. It's… I don't know. There's something about me that can make… And I don't want to… It sounds like it's manipulative, but I can make people feel really comfortable very easily. Yeah. It's a gift. Yeah. It's non-judgment. I'm just very open. I'm like…

Yeah. So that means a lot. Thank you. Yeah. It was such a beautiful session. Yeah. Okay, guys. I love you. Hope you enjoyed. We'll see you on the next one. Bye. Thank you so much, Savannah. Again, it's savannahking.com. You can get a virtual reading with her if you want to get the reading like what we talked about on the show. It's just on our website, savannahking.com, and it's a stone medicine reading. And then all of our pieces are available on her website too. And we have...

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