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Abundance: A New Blueprint for Liberal Politics, With Derek Thompson

2025/4/16
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Derek Thompson: 本书写作早于2024年美国大选,但其核心观点与特朗普政府的‘匮乏政治’形成了鲜明对比。特朗普政府通过限制经济活动来解决问题,例如减少移民来解决住房短缺问题,减少全球贸易来解决制造业问题。而本书倡导的‘丰裕政治’则主张积极建设,增加住房供应,发展清洁能源等。 现代政治中存在‘匮乏’和‘丰裕’两种思维模式,这两种模式同时存在于自由派和保守派政治中。左翼的‘匮乏型民主党人’往往反对增加住房供应,即使这会损害整体利益;右翼的‘匮乏政治’则体现在通过限制经济活动来解决问题。 民主党在解决美国民众的经济承受能力问题上做得非常糟糕,这导致了其支持率下降。美国最难以负担的地区往往由民主党控制,这说明民主党在解决住房问题上存在严重不足。民众离开民主党控制的州是因为这些州的真实情况,而非共和党的虚假信息。许多城市由于严格的住房政策,导致住房供应不足,从而推高了房价。民主党未能认真对待住房危机,这损害了其形象。 住房政策对城市发展至关重要,而美国许多大城市的住房政策存在严重问题。美国梦正在破裂,高生产力城市住房成本高昂,而低成本城市社会流动性差。城市不应是奢侈品,而应是促进社会流动的工具。20世纪50年代至70年代的土地使用政策改变,导致美国许多城市的住房供应减少。住房供应减少,需求增加,导致房价飙升。民主党未能解决住房问题,导致其在民众中的声誉受损。 无家可归的主要原因是住房短缺,而不是其他因素。住房短缺导致无家可归问题加剧。看似合理的个体政策,累积起来却导致了不道德的结果。 能源转型需要大规模建设,但现有的政策阻碍了这一进程。作者反对‘去增长主义’,认为其在政治上不可行。‘丰裕政治’是一种供应侧进步主义,旨在降低重要商品的价格。民主党需要明确其政治立场,并提出建设性的未来愿景。民主党在执政地区未能展现良好的治理能力,这损害了其形象。美国目前处于政治动荡时期,缺乏明确的政治秩序。 Carl Miller: (由于Carl Miller在访谈中发言较少,无法单独形成200字以上的核心论点总结。其观点主要体现在与Derek Thompson的对话和对书中观点的回应中。)

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What if the biggest threat to liberal democracy isn’t authoritarianism - but our failure to build?

On today’s episode we’re joined by journalist Derek Thompson to unpack Abundance, a new vision of progressive politics co-authored by Thompson and Ezra Klein. 

In it, Klein and Thompson trace the political, economic, and cultural barriers to progress and propose a path toward a politics of abundance. 

Derek Thompson is a staff writer at The Atlantic, host of the Plain English podcast, and the author of the international bestseller Hit Makers.

Carl Miller, writer and fellow at Demos, joins Thompson to discuss the book, and everything from housing policy to the failures of de-growth.

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