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An Evening with Deborah Frances-White and David Tennant (Part One)

2025/6/20
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David Tennant: 我们必须关注LGBTQ+青年的困境，特别是那些无家可归的人。社会对他们的歧视和排斥使得他们的情况更加糟糕。我们需要为他们提供安全住所，并提高公众对他们的理解和支持。现在社会上某些人让 LGBTQ+ 群体的处境更加艰难，因此 AKT 的事业尤为重要。无家可归的 16 至 25 岁人群中，有 24% 认为自己是 LGBTQ+，这个数据令人震惊。 Deborah Frances-White: 如今社会共情缺失，人们只关注自己所属的群体，而对其他群体缺乏理解和同情。我们需要改变这种状况，扩大我们的共情范围，去理解和支持那些与我们不同的人。互联网上的交流方式，如果不赞同就开骂，然后进行羞辱和排斥，这让我觉得似曾相识。我写这本书是因为我觉得进步人士必须迅速提高技能，因为我们正在失败。我们怎么敢如此不熟练，考虑到利害关系？怎么敢一开始就骂我们所想的？这种交流方式不具有说服力，也不吸引人。我们需要像资本家推销糖水一样，对如何吸引和说服他人感兴趣。

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Deborah Frances-White discusses her experience growing up in a Jehovah's Witness cult and how it relates to the current state of political discourse. She highlights the similarities between the cult's tactics and those used in today's rapidly changing digital society, emphasizing the suppression of dissenting voices and the importance of critical thinking.
  • Deborah's upbringing in a Jehovah's Witness cult shaped her understanding of political discourse.
  • Similarities between cult tactics and those used in today's digital society.
  • Importance of critical thinking and open conversations.

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Deborah Frances-White is the writer and comedian best known for hosting The Guilty Feminist podcast. David Tennant is the multi-award-winning actor who has played iconic roles including Doctor Who, Hamlet, Barty Crouch Jr., Rivals’ Lord Tony Baddingham and more.

In April 2025 they came to Intelligence Squared to discuss how we can have better and more open conversations on difficult topics. Drawing from her new book Six Conversations We’re Scared to Have, Deborah shared how she grew up in a cult which shut down any dissenting voices. And she made the case that she sees similar tactics being used today in our rapidly changing digital society. Deborah and David discussed the state of freedom of speech, politics in the arts, and the value of critical thinking. 

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