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Are you morally ambitious? With Rutger Bregman (Part Two)

2025/5/8
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Rutger Bregman: 我认为最具雄心壮志、动力十足的人应该致力于解决最紧迫的全球性问题,但遗憾的是,目前情况并非如此。许多最优秀的人才流向了咨询、公司法和金融等领域,而这些领域并没有真正解决全球问题。这令人感到悲伤。为此,我创办了道德雄心学院,旨在吸引有雄心壮志的人才投身于解决全球最紧迫的问题。我们已经拥有来自80多个国家的8000多名成员,并开发了道德雄心圈,旨在帮助人们将道德雄心融入生活。我们的课程帮助人们识别重要问题、发挥自身优势,并采取行动,最终做出公开承诺。这可能意味着辞职、创建新组织,或是在现有组织中推动变革。我曾经的职业规划是成为一名教授,但后来我意识到学术写作过于晦涩难懂,并受到其他作者的影响,改变了写作风格。人们做职业选择的原因并不总是合理的,我们应该更关注自身价值观和社会责任。人们在职业生涯的任何阶段都可以做出改变,追求道德雄心,年龄并非限制因素。我对有效利他主义持肯定态度,但认为其视角过于狭隘,应更关注人类心理的广泛因素。人类是复杂的,既有理想主义的一面,也有自私的一面,这都是正常的。社会运动需要广泛的参与和联盟,才能取得更大的成功。有效利他主义过于关注资金的有效分配,而忽视了如何说服人们捐款以及社会权力结构的问题。我们可以从美国现任政府身上学习到雄心壮志的重要性,以及长期战略规划的必要性。一些政治和经济运动的成功,在于其长期战略规划和坚持不懈的精神。我喜欢攀岩运动,因为它既能体现个人能力,又能展现合作精神。我的成功观随着年龄和经历而改变,从追求轻松到追求更广泛的知识和影响力。我曾经渴望成为畅销书作家,但后来意识到这并非我追求的最终目标。我和我的译者Erica Moore合作紧密,她不仅翻译我的作品,也参与编辑和事实核查。我在荷兰进行写作测试,并通过英语写作来提升作品的感染力。我搬到纽约是为了在美国建立道德雄心学院的分支机构,并利用媒体资源推动运动发展。选择纽约是因为它是全球媒体中心,有利于传播道德雄心学院的理念。一些政治家和政党已经开始关注并采纳我的部分理念,例如基本收入和参与式民主。 Tim Harford: (对Rutger Bregman观点的回应和补充,以及一些个人经历分享)

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Moral ambition is the will to make the world a wildly better place. To devote your career to the greatest challenges of our time. To be one of the best, but measured by a new standard of success.’ – Rutger Bregman

The brightest minds of our generation may dream of changing the world. But in reality most high achievers will settle for making a lot of money for themselves and their family. World renowned historian and bestselling author Rutger Bregman is on a mission to change that.

In April, Bregman came to Intelligence Squared in venues across the UK to convince us that in our age of crisis, we need to stop wasting our talent in jobs that solely provide personal enrichment. Instead if we want to live a successful life we must devote our careers to making the world a radically better place.

Bregman discussed why in 2025 social progress is not only stagnating in places but actively going in reverse. He argued that there are lessons from history that can help us overcome this trend and explain that the greatest change-makers have always needed to be both idealistic and ambitious. Drawing from his new book Moral Ambition: Stop Wasting Your Talent and Start Making a Difference, he discussed why efforts to ‘raise awareness’ of social problems are overrated and uncover what he believes are the real qualities that have made change possible. He told the stories of some of history’s great changemakers such as the German soldier who refused to salute Hitler or the Cambridge University student who dedicated his life to abolishing slavery.

Bregman explained what made these changemakers so persuasive, influential and effective in achieving their goals. He showed how we, too, can lend our talents to the biggest challenges of our time. With moral ambition he argued, we can do more than be on the right side of history: we can start to make history itself.

In addition to the book Rutger Bregman will be launching The School of Moral Ambition. To find out more click here


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