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How Can You Make the World a Radically Better Place? With Rutger Bregman (Part One)

2025/5/6
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Rutger Bregman: 我认为当今社会最大的浪费之一是对人才的浪费。许多有才华、有经验、有抱负的人从事着对世界并无积极影响的工作,这让我感到沮丧。我的新书《道德抱负》探讨了这个问题,并呼吁人们重新思考成功的定义,关注工作对社会的贡献,而非仅仅追求个人财富。我们应该将自己的才能用于解决当今世界面临的最重要的问题,例如气候变化、贫困和不平等。仅仅提高人们对社会问题的认识是不够的,我们需要采取实际行动。通过号召他人参与,我们可以形成一股强大的力量,推动社会进步。我以历史上的变革者为例,例如托马斯·克拉克森和那些在二战期间帮助犹太人的荷兰人,说明了行动的重要性。重要的是要认识到,我们并非因为自己是好人而行善,而是通过行善而成为好人。因此,让我们开始行动,并邀请他人加入我们。 Conor Boyle: Rutger Bregman 的观点引发了我们对成功和职业选择的思考。许多高成就者满足于追求个人财富,而忽略了为社会做出更大贡献的可能性。Bregman 的新书《道德抱负》鼓励人们重新定义成功,将职业与社会价值相结合,而非仅仅追求个人利益最大化。他认为,许多人被困在‘提高意识’的阶段,而没有采取实际行动。我们需要重新思考如何将才能用于解决全球性问题,并探讨如何将道德抱负转化为实际行动。 Tim Harford: 在与 Rutger Bregman 的对话中,我被他的观点深深打动。他不仅批判了当前社会对人才的浪费,更重要的是,他提出了具体的行动方案。他强调了‘提问’的力量,以及在行动中培养道德品质的重要性。他认为,我们需要摒弃空洞的道德说教,转而采取实际行动,并邀请他人加入。同时,他也指出,我们需要根据具体情况采取不同的策略,有时需要渐进式改革,有时需要激进的变革。这与我们日常生活中遇到的许多挑战息息相关,例如气候变化、社会不公等。我们需要综合运用各种方法,才能有效地解决这些问题。

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Moral ambition is the will to make the world a wildly better place. To devote your career to the greatest challenges of our time. To be one of the best, but measured by a new standard of success.’ – Rutger Bregman

The brightest minds of our generation may dream of changing the world. But in reality most high achievers will settle for making a lot of money for themselves and their family. World renowned historian and bestselling author Rutger Bregman is on a mission to change that.

In April, Bregman came to Intelligence Squared in venues across the UK to convince us that in our age of crisis, we need to stop wasting our talent in jobs that solely provide personal enrichment. Instead if we want to live a successful life we must devote our careers to making the world a radically better place.

Bregman discussed why in 2025 social progress is not only stagnating in places but actively going in reverse. He argued that there are lessons from history that can help us overcome this trend and explain that the greatest change-makers have always needed to be both idealistic and ambitious. Drawing from his new book Moral Ambition: Stop Wasting Your Talent and Start Making a Difference, he discussed why efforts to ‘raise awareness’ of social problems are overrated and uncover what he believes are the real qualities that have made change possible. He told the stories of some of history’s great changemakers such as the German soldier who refused to salute Hitler or the Cambridge University student who dedicated his life to abolishing slavery.

Bregman explained what made these changemakers so persuasive, influential and effective in achieving their goals. He showed how we, too, can lend our talents to the biggest challenges of our time. With moral ambition he argued, we can do more than be on the right side of history: we can start to make history itself.

In addition to the book Rutger Bregman will be launching The School of Moral Ambition. To find out more click here


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