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Tariff Special: The Intelligence Squared Economic Outlook with Helen Thompson (Part Two)

2025/5/18
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Helen Thompson: 我认为英国议会在2019年立法实现净零排放，却没有制定相应的策略，这令人震惊。当时议会并未充分考虑到间歇性问题带来的存储挑战，以及北欧国家在利用太阳能方面的局限性。2019年英国在未充分讨论的情况下做出的净零承诺，现在正面临清算。我们需要以务实的态度认真对待气候变化和能源问题，不应将二者对立起来。每个国家都必须制定认真的能源战略，因为能源是经济发展的命脉，不能抱有侥幸心理。净零排放的承诺在人类历史上是前所未有的，因为以往的能源转型都是增加新的能源来源，而不是取代现有的能源来源。我们必须理解，在一个能源消耗预期持续增长的世界中，消除能源来源实际上意味着什么。中国在能源问题上不采取二元对立的思维方式，而是尽可能多地获取能源，不择手段。我认为，能源转型对于应对气候变化是必要的，任何妥协都意味着对气候变化不够重视。我不认为在我们可以考虑的时间范围内，能源革命是可能实现的，但如果认真对待能源转型，那将构成一场能源革命。工业革命的本质是能源革命，它将人类从主要使用人力和畜力转变为使用化石燃料能源。如果我们想要摆脱化石燃料能源，转而使用其他形式的能源，那么我们就是在重塑工业革命。如果我们认真对待净零排放，就需要理解其意义的巨大性。

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‘The world as we knew it is gone’

– UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer’s response to Trump’s tariffs

President Donald Trump recently announced a 90-day pause for his monumental ‘liberation day’ tariffs while at the same time escalating a dangerous trade war with China.

Trump’s announcement came just weeks after import taxes on all goods entering the US were introduced, in the biggest upheaval of international trade in decades. And beyond the chaos and endless news cycle of the last few days, Trump’s key advisers are introducing a broader set of fringe economic ideas that they believe will transform politics and economics at home, as well as the foundations of US power abroad.

In May 2025, Helen Thompson, expert on the long history of globalisation and author of the acclaimed book Disorder: Hard Times in the 21st Century came to Intelligence Squared to make sense of the seismic shifts we are witnessing in the global economy and how they will impact us here in the UK.

She was joined on stage by BBC broadcaster Jonny Dymond for this event in our Intelligence Squared Economic Outlook series in partnership with Guinness Global Investors.

This recording is part of The Intelligence Squared Economic Outlook series of events made in partnership with Guinness Global Investors, an independent British fund manager that helps both individuals and institutions harness the future drivers of growth to achieve their investment goals.

To find out more visit: https://www.guinnessgi.com/

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