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The Intelligence Squared Economic Outlook, with Tim Harford, Part One

2024/12/5
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Tim Harford: 英国经济长期增长缓慢,这与历任政府的政策都有关系,其累积效应被低估了。英国经济目前状态比持续增长的情况下低25%-30%。这并非是件好事,也体现了所谓的'去增长'的现实。同时,税负高企,公共服务难以协调。 经济增长缓慢的原因是多种因素共同作用的结果,包括全球能源价格上涨(英国的天然气市场结构使其尤其容易受到影响)、脱欧造成的巨大不确定性(打击了商业投资,使得与欧盟的贸易更加困难)、以及一些神秘因素(例如生产力令人失望的原因尚不明确)。政府可以通过良好的税收制度、公共基础设施投资和合理的规章制度来改善经济,但不能指望政府能够奇迹般地扭转经济局面。政府对大型经济体的影响有限,即使政府做得很好,也不应指望经济能够迅速好转。 Jonny Diamond: 就英国经济的长期低迷,以及政府是否能够带来真正的改变,与Tim Harford进行了探讨。

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Why is the UK economy growing so slowly?

The UK economy has been growing slowly for over 15 years, with a combination of bad luck, self-inflicted injuries, and mysterious forces. Bad luck includes high global energy prices, while Brexit has caused uncertainty and hindered business investment. Productivity growth has also been disappointing across major economies, with no clear single cause for the UK's underperformance.

What role does government play in the economy's performance?

Governments can make things better or worse through well-designed or messy tax systems, infrastructure investment, and regulatory frameworks. However, economic growth is not a simple switch that can be flipped. Even under good governance, the economy is unlikely to grow at 4% annually, as it is influenced by complex factors beyond government control.

What advice does Tim Harford give for thinking clearly about data?

Harford suggests three rules: be calm, get context, and be curious. Emotions can cloud judgment, so it's important to notice and manage them. Context involves understanding the definitions and origins of numbers, and curiosity means using data to explore the world rather than as a weapon in arguments.

What are the principles of a good tax system according to Tim Harford?

A good tax system should avoid treating similar activities differently based on labels, such as income versus capital gains. It should be progressive and avoid unnecessary complexity, which can lead to inefficiencies and favor certain groups. Simplifying the system can help raise more revenue while minimizing costs for taxpayers.

Why did the US economy's strong performance not prevent the incumbent party from losing the election?

While the US economy grew by about 10% since COVID, outperforming other G7 countries, voters' perceptions were influenced by factors beyond aggregate numbers. Real wages, employment rates, and inflation impacts on lower-income households showed uneven performance. Additionally, political partisanship plays a significant role in how people perceive economic conditions, regardless of actual data.

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Tim Harford discusses the UK's economic underperformance over the past 15-20 years, attributing it to slow growth, high tax burden, and underperforming public services. He analyzes the contributing factors, including bad luck (e.g., global energy prices), self-inflicted injuries (e.g., Brexit), and mysterious forces (e.g., disappointing productivity). He concludes that while governments can make things better or worse, they only operate at the margins of a large economy.
  • UK economy's slow growth for 15-20 years, resulting in 25-30% lower performance than expected.
  • High tax burden, underperforming public services despite high taxes.
  • Contributing factors: bad luck (global energy prices), self-inflicted injuries (Brexit), and mysterious factors (low productivity).
  • Governments can influence the economy but their impact is limited.

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This event was supported by Guinness Global Investors).

For the final instalment of the Intelligence Squared Economic Outlook series for 2024, Financial Times columnist Tim Harford joined us to interrogate what the numbers are really telling us about the economy – and what those numbers tell us about what lies ahead. As the FT’s Undercover Economist, Harford demonstrates a remarkable ability to explain and communicate complex economic data in ways that are compelling and entertaining.

This episode was recorded at The Tabernacle in London on Tuesday November 26, as Harford put our current economic challenges and opportunities into historical perspective and sought to map out the economic landscape we can expect in 2025. 

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