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The Power of Good Conversation, with Jefferson Fisher (Part One)

2025/6/14
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Mia Sorrenti: 在当今社会，有效沟通至关重要。我介绍了Jefferson Fisher，他是一位沟通专家，通过他的视频和新书，分享了他改变游戏规则的沟通框架。 Jenny Kleeman: 我认为Jefferson Fisher将沟通描述得非常简单，但实际上并非如此。我很好奇他是否一直都是一个优秀的沟通者。 Jefferson Fisher: 我认为沟通对我来说很自然，这源于我的成长环境。我的父母教会了我很多价值观，我在法庭上的辩论技巧也影响了我的沟通方式。我认为人们渴望我提供的建议，因为我们生活在一个迫切需要真正对话的世界里。我们应该多学习，少证明自己。我的视频和书旨在帮助人们改善沟通，改善生活。我希望大家能关注文字背后的人，理解每个人都有不为人知的挣扎。我教你的是演奏的音符，而不是乐器本身。你的声音就是乐器，而我教你的是演奏的音符和乐谱。如果你按照书中的音符和乐谱进行对话，你就能演奏出一首美妙的歌曲，拥有更好的对话和生活。

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Jefferson Fisher, a trial lawyer turned communication expert, shares his insights on effective communication, emphasizing the importance of listening and understanding the other person's perspective. He discusses how his upbringing and experiences as an older brother influenced his communication style and his journey from having 800 followers to becoming a global communication coach.
  • Trial lawyer turned communication expert.
  • Millions of followers.
  • Importance of listening.
  • Influence of upbringing and being an older brother.

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‘Embracing the knowledge in The Next Conversation will vastly improve your life.’ – Andrew Huberman, creator of the Huberman Lab Podcast

‘ The Next Conversation gives you the tools to change your life, one conversation at a time.’ – Mel Robbins, bestselling author and host of the Mel Robbins Podcast

In a time when conversations often feel more divisive and polarised than ever, knowing how to communicate effectively has never been more essential.

Jefferson Fisher has built a global following by addressing these very challenges. As a trial lawyer turned communication expert, his short, practical videos have helped millions master the art of effective conversation. To mark the publication of his debut book The Next Conversation, he came to Intelligence Squared in June 2025 to share his game-changing framework for transforming how we talk – and, more importantly, how we listen.

The Next Conversation is set to be one of the most impactful books on communication in years.

Live at Union Chapel, he unpacked his insights and answered your questions.

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