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Single Best Idea with Tom Keene: Richard Haass & Robert D. Kaplan

2025/6/23
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Richard Haass: 我认为美国总统在对外政策上拥有很大的自主权,就像他的前任们一样。回顾现代美国对外政策的历史,可以发现对外政策的主动权已经明显转移到了行政部门。国会几乎从未履行其宪法规定的宣战义务,而我们已经动用军事力量数百次。我不赞同对总统权力的狭隘法律解释。如果我曾是特朗普总统的顾问,我会建议他效仿老布什总统的做法,在国际原子能机构的报告基础上,与国会和美国民众合作。如果要动用武力,应该让人们相信你已经尝试过外交手段,最终迫不得已才使用武力。 Robert Kaplan: 有些人认为当前局势可能导致另一场“永久战争”或中东泥潭,但他们犯了类别错误。将伊朗局势与之前的伊拉克、越南、阿富汗和朝鲜战争相提并论是错误的。伊拉克战争与越南、阿富汗和朝鲜战争属于同一类别,因为它们涉及数万地面部队,深陷泥潭。而现在我们处理的只是空中和海军力量。只要我们坚持使用空中和海军力量,就不会陷入泥潭。即使情况变得糟糕,也与之前的四场“永久战争”不同。

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for the last 72 hours into this military action by the United States of America. Our special show yesterday, and of course we advance forward today. We started with a gentleman who pulled the Council on Foreign Relations into the modern age, now with Centerview Partners. Here is Richard Haass. - The president had the authority like all of his predecessors. If you look at the history of modern American foreign policy,

initiative in foreign policy has decidedly passed to the executive. I mean, Tom, what was it, 60 years ago, Arthur Schlesinger Jr. wrote his essay and book about the imperial presidency. This is nothing new. Congress virtually never, ever fulfills its constitutional obligation to declare war. And we have used military force hundreds of times.

in the absence of anything so formal. So I just flat out disagree with that kind of a narrow legalist interpretation. That said, if I had been advising President Trump, I would have said take a page out of the book of President Bush the father, Bush 41.

Do things internationally with building on the International Atomic Energy Agency scathing report of Iran. Do things with the Congress. Do things with the American public. If you're going to use military force, people should come to conclude that you tried to do diplomacy and at the end of the day, you reluctantly had to use it.

It also, by the way, would have helped this president with his MAGA base. So I think he should have gone about this differently. But did he, under American political tradition, did he possess the authority to do what he did? Absolutely. Richard Haass, can't say enough about the work he's put out, one of my books of the summer years ago, The World with Richard Haass, and of course, Bill of Obligation out there now on citizenship in America today.

Robert Kaplan came by with a new book, Wasteland, my book of the year, I think two years ago, The Loom of Time, The Reach of the Arab World from Morocco over to Persia. Robert Kaplan on this moment for America and Persia. Peace.

People who are saying that this could this could lead to another, you know, forever, forever war. Middle East quagmire. They're making a mistake of category. Iraq is in a diff was in a different category than.

than Iran. Iraq was in the category of Vietnam and Afghanistan and Korea, in the sense that it involved tens of thousands of ground troops, which got stuck literally in a quagmire. Here we're dealing with just air and naval assets. The war could go in a number of ways. There could be blowback, but

as long as we stick with air and naval assets, there's not going to be a quagmire. There's going to be something different. It may be something bad, but it will simply exist in a category different from those four

forever wars, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Robert D. Kaplan, the new book is The Wasteland. Thank you so much again to our team for a concerted effort on our fractured geopolitics. Huge sets of economic data this week. We'll be covering all that into the domestic legislative debate in Washington as well.

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