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Single Best Idea with Tom Keene: Robert Kaplan & Stephanie Roth

2025/4/28
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Robert Kaplan: 我认为目前讨论的核心问题在于,我们还不清楚减免关税能够带来多少成本节约。政府似乎仍然执着于通过关税收入来抵消减税和去杠杆化的成本,但这可能适得其反。我研究过很多报告,它们都显示,每一美元的关税收入都会因为经济增长放缓和对某些群体的损害而损失一部分。我认为,这就是他们坚持维持较高关税水平(而非降至零)的关键原因。他们或许应该稍微放宽这一概念。此外,我非常关注由此引发的贸易战对经济增长模式的影响。 David Gurra 对此进行了有趣的分析。我还研究了加蒂诺的情况,这是一个位于渥太华对岸的城市,说法语的人口占71%,说英语的人口仅占11%或12%。我们常常忘记加拿大是双语国家,以及它背后的文化底蕴。 Stephanie Roth: 就劳动力市场而言,我们尚未讨论的一个重要因素是移民数量的显著减少。这将对失业率产生相互矛盾的影响:一方面,经济放缓会推高失业率;另一方面,由于移民减少,劳动力供应减少,这又会降低失业率。因此,在我们的预测中,失业率的上升幅度不会像其他情况那样大。 Tom Keene: 全球经济目前面临诸多挑战,包括贸易战、市场抛售等。关税实际上是一种税收,在其他条件相同的情况下,会抑制经济活动。人们一直押注于美国的特殊性,但事实证明,美国的表现异常糟糕。

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Bloomberg Audio Studios. Podcasts. Radio. News. Single best idea on a Monday. We'll keep it short. It's an incredibly busy week. We have all the major earnings, Apple, all the rest. You know, we're in the heart of it. Umpteen trillion dollars will report this week and give no guidance forward given all the uncertainty that we're on. We have an early jobs report on Friday. And then beginning Friday...

We go to the Miami Grand Prix, the F1 Grand Prix. Comes back from the other side of the world and goes to Miami. So it'll be just an interesting time. Plus all the politics. Mr. Besson, I believe, in a press conference tomorrow. He certainly moved markets today on CNBC and Fox. And, you know, we watched that, observed it, see the markets go from red to green. At least for now, I should say they went from red to green. Robert Kaplan with us.

He's the vice chairman of Goldman Sachs. He's former president of the Dallas Fed, someone that beautifully links the business world to the economics world, the Fed world, and also back to the heritage of the University of Kansas. Robert Kaplan on Washington and Doge. The nub of the issue right now is it's unclear how much cost savings we're getting out of Doge.

Okay? And I think that's part of this discussion. And I think they're still a little bit wedded that we're going to get the offset, we're going to get revenue from tariffs, and that'll help us in the deleveraging, it'll help us justify a bigger tax cut. And I think all the studies I've looked at have shown that every dollar of tariff revenue you get, you give it back

a portion of it in terms of lower growth and damaging groups. But that's the key to, I think, why they're clinging to these tariffs at higher levels, not at zero. And I think they may be better served letting go a little bit on that concept. And to touch on there, I'm really focused on the growth

changes, the growth dynamics that we see off of this moment of a tariff trade war. Special shout out to David Gurra, Up and Auto. He had a lot of fun with it. But, you know, I did some research on a gatineau, I believe it is, across the river

From Ottawa, 71% French-speaking is the population, and really only, I believe, 11% or 12% English-speaking. We forget about the bilingual nature of Canada and all of that heritage. We'll have coverage of that tomorrow. And again, what an odd end of April. We're into May 2nd. Excuse me. I'm gasping over Stephanie Ross' number for the jobs report.

We were at 200-something last time. The survey is 130,000 nonfirm payrolls. And Stephanie Roth at Wolf Research is at 90,000, 9-0, this Friday. Let's listen. The thing that we haven't really talked about yet when it comes to the labor market is we also have a significant reduction from an immigration perspective. There's going to be conflicting forces on the unemployment rate where you have

the slowdown in the economy, putting upward pressure on the unemployment rate, yet a lot of jobs supply reducing because of immigration, putting downward pressure. So that's why the unemployment rate is not going to rise as much in our forecast versus what would otherwise be the case. Stephanie Roth there on the dynamics, really sophisticated dynamics.

of how Michael McKee and others come up with the unemployment rate given reduced immigration and increasing, potentially increasing joblessness as well. We're on your commute across the nation. Good morning, 99.1 FM in Washington, 92.9 FM in Boston and Bloomberg 1130. And around the world, good morning on YouTube as well. We're out on YouTube podcasts. This is Single Best Idea.

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