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How Rich Millennials Created a New Path to Wealth

2025/5/7
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Julia Carpenter: 我观察到千禧一代的财富积累模式与以往几代人有所不同,高薪行业与低薪行业间的薪资差距日益扩大,这导致一部分千禧一代迅速致富,而另一部分则难以摆脱经济困境。 Joe Pinsker: 我的研究表明,千禧一代的整体财富水平已经超过了婴儿潮一代和X一代。高收入千禧一代的收入甚至超过了同龄的婴儿潮一代高收入者。然而,这种成功与个人的职业选择和所处行业密切相关。科技、金融、科学和工程等行业薪资水平显著高于其他行业,在这些行业工作的千禧一代更容易获得财务成功。虽然千禧一代的医生和律师平均收入仍然很高,但与以往几代人相比,他们进入高收入群体的概率有所下降,这与律师行业从业人员增多以及一些人选择法律作为“默认职业路径”有关。许多成功的千禧一代之所以成功,是因为他们有战略眼光或运气好,选择了蓬勃发展的行业和地区。千禧一代的成功既有偶然性也有必然性,一部分人经过深思熟虑地选择了职业,另一部分人则是在偶然情况下进入了高薪行业。经济变化正在影响年轻人的职业选择,许多大学生将银行、咨询和科技行业作为首选。 Ryan Hoff: 我在经济衰退时期长大,目睹家乡经济衰退和家庭经济困难,这促使我努力寻找机会,摆脱困境,并规划自己的职业生涯。经济衰退直接影响了我的家庭经济状况,增加了我的求学压力。我和妻子共同努力,为未来建立稳定的经济基础,以应对养育孩子和购房等方面的压力。我的朋友们普遍担心购房难,特别是与父母有经济支持的同龄人相比。千禧一代的经济状况呈现两极分化,一部分人非常成功,另一部分人则难以摆脱经济困境,这给我们的心理健康带来了压力。 Julia Carpenter: 我注意到千禧一代的财富积累模式与以往几代人有所不同,高薪行业与低薪行业间的收入差距越来越大,这使得一部分千禧一代更容易获得财富,而另一部分则面临着更大的经济挑战。 Joe Pinsker: 我的研究发现,千禧一代的平均财富已经超过了婴儿潮一代和X一代,高收入的千禧一代更是远远超过了同龄的婴儿潮一代。然而,这种财富的分配并不均衡,科技、金融等高薪行业与其他行业的差距越来越大,这导致在这些行业工作的千禧一代更容易获得高收入,而其他行业的千禧一代则面临着更大的经济压力。此外,一些传统的高薪职业,例如医生和律师,其收入增长速度并没有像以前那样快,这使得千禧一代的医生和律师进入高收入群体的概率降低了。 Ryan Hoff: 我从小在经济衰退的环境中长大,目睹了家庭和周围人的经济困境,这让我深刻认识到职业规划的重要性,并努力寻找机会,提升自身竞争力。如今,我和妻子正在努力为未来建立稳定的经济基础,但我们也面临着高房价、高利率以及高昂的育儿成本等挑战。许多我的朋友也面临着类似的困境,这使得千禧一代的财富分配更加不均衡,一部分人非常成功,另一部分人则难以摆脱经济困境。

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Millennials are finally getting rich, but their newfound wealth looks a little different than it did for baby boomers and other previous generations.

Some industries have just really pulled away from others in terms of pay. If you look at millennials who are software developers or financial analysts, those people are roughly four times as likely as any given millennial to be in their generation's top 5% of households by income. And millennial workers like Ryan Hoff say they're already feeling the effects of this tectonic shift.

It really feels as though there's a bimodal distribution, if you will, within the millennial generation of folks who are doing very, very, very well. And then folks who rightfully worked very hard, but still can't quite find ways to get ahead due to student loans, increased real estate values, interest rates and things like that.

where and when they started their careers determines so much about millennial workers and their future. We'll talk more with Ryan and with Wall Street Journal reporter Joe Pinsker about where this generation goes next. That's after the break.

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Shop Abercrombie's new long weekend collection online or in-store. Millennials aren't broke anymore. Well, some of them. The top 5% of millennial earners are doing better than even baby boomers were at similar ages. But what does that mean for everyone else? Wall Street Journal reporter Joe Pinsker joins us to talk more. Joe, you're a millennial. I'm a millennial. What's happening to us?

Although millennials have this reputation of struggling financially, they've actually in the 2020s really turned things around. Millennials are now on average wealthier, even adjusting for inflation than baby boomers and Gen Xers were. And for this latest story I was working on, I was looking at millennial high earners. And again, they're making more money than, as you said, high earning baby boomers were when they were a similar age back in 1990.

And the data in your story paints this really interesting picture because high-earning millennial households are making more, but at the same time, pay isn't growing as fast in lower-wage industries.

So what's driving the divergence there? Some industries have just really pulled away from others in terms of pay. Tech and finance and science and engineering are a few of them. If you were a millennial who had a well-paid job in one of those industries, you've likely done pretty well financially.

And based on the data analysis that my colleague Paul Overberg did for this story, if you look at millennials who are software developers or financial analysts, those people are roughly four times as likely as any given millennial to be in their generation's top 5% of households by income. That's something that immediately jumped out to me in your story. Millennial doctors and lawyers don't have the same earning power their counterparts in earlier generations did.

Why aren't these professions paying off like they used to?

To be very clear, millennial doctors and lawyers are on average still doing quite well. They're very well represented among the top 5% of earners in our generation. But the interesting change that we tracked is that a baby boomer with one of those jobs was more likely to make it into that group of top earners than a millennial doctor or a millennial lawyer was. In the case of lawyers, one important development is that there are just a lot more lawyers than there were 30, 40 years ago.

And one law professor I interviewed was talking about how a lot of millennials who didn't really know what they wanted to do with their careers and their lives ended up going to law school as a default career path. But it didn't turn out to be the sort of sure thing that people imagined it to be. You interviewed several millennial workers for this story. Are they seeing this shift play out in their own lives and the lives of their friends?

Definitely. The key idea I was pursuing for this story is just how many successful millennials have done so well because they either had the strategic insight or the good luck to end up in a thriving industry, in a thriving metro area. And as I was interviewing people, I came to think of it as almost this gravitational pull that certain industries and certain cities have had on millennials who were shooting for financial success.

And I am fascinated by the theme of what's deliberate and what's chance. And some of the people I spoke with were so deliberate, like the guy who as a middle schooler enjoyed reading companies annual reports is maybe not surprisingly working in finance now. But some of the other people I spoke with, they just drifted into these careers almost in that gravitational sense.

And it really paid off for them. And one thing that stuck out to me is just how these big shifts in the economy are changing young people's ambitions. I was talking with Lauren Rivera, who's a sociologist at Northwestern University, and

And she was saying that just anecdotally, the undergrads that she teaches there are really, really tightly focused on the three areas of banking, consulting, and tech. It's fascinating how these shifts that I was tracking in the story have this way of focusing young people's attention in a few very specific areas when they're trying to think about how to make a good life.

Another millennial worker Joe spoke to for this story is Ryan Hoff, a 35-year-old business consultant living in the San Francisco area.

Ryan said he was aware of his generation's financial reality and the accompanying pressures from a very early age. Ryan, talk me through what you were noticing and how that shaped your career plans. Growing up in a rural Rust Belt town in the 90s and early 2000s, as a kid, you started to see it. Most of the public parks were funded by the big steel companies, and they started to have less maintenance.

You started to see your friends and family struggle financially. And then when the financial crisis hit, it just felt like most folks around you were financially nervous and then would openly express their inability to find a job. Even before I started thinking about college, school, things like that, I knew I needed to get out of the area to have any opportunity to get ahead. You referenced the 2008 recession.

Millennials as a generation are in this interesting position where we're now contemplating a third recession in one generation's working life. How were those recessions impacting you and your family? Very directly. My mom, stay-at-home mom for five kids. My dad was a factory worker. My father really could only

make ends meet in a reliable way by working 50, 60 hours a week. When the hours get cut to 35, 40, you're barely scraping by. That continued right around the time I was going to college for two or three years. And so not only am I taking on the potential debt burden of looking at student loans, but I'm also

Adding a financial burden to my parents who are already struggling just by asking for the basics to pay for books, a laptop, gas to get me there.

So it was a big factor in both the bigger picture of my household, my parents and my siblings, but also for me and my future because I felt pressure to take as much burden off them as I could. And I knew continuing with school and the decision to take on debt would just make that even more stressful for them. Zooming ahead to now, what do you and your wife want for your financial future?

clear stability without stress that involves housing affordability, lack of worrying about child care. We're actually expecting our first child. And to a certain extent, one parent almost has to work a full-time job just to afford the child care to work that full-time job. And so we've made a lot of intentional decisions to create a foundation for ourselves to have the

Purchasing power to put the down payment on the home and have the money set aside so that we can make conscious decisions about our professional careers, our family lives, and not have to worry about being able to afford whatever decision it is that we make. When you talk with your friends and your peers, what do you all think is next for the millennial generation?

When I talk to most of my friends, my peers in their mid-30s, there's a lot of consternation about how will I be able to afford the home from one, a down payment, and two, with interest rates, just the monthly payments. But there's a lot of focus...

in our generation between the cohort that will not be receiving money from their parents to afford a down payment or buy home and the cohort of millennials who will. That's not necessarily discussed as much in the general zeitgeist, but between people in the privacy of their own friendship groups, that's something that actually comes up quite a bit and it's something that's on a lot of people's minds because

You feel like you're already at a disadvantage just with the run-up in real estate values, the increase in interest rates. You're effectively getting priced out of a home that you thought you could afford three, four years ago. But then there's this other feeling of, I'm going to be competing with buyers who are going to have 30, 40, 50% down payments that are coming from wealth transfers from their parents. And one of the most interesting parts of Joe's story is,

just how accessible these things are for one half of the generation and how inaccessible they are for the other half.

It really feels as though there's a bimodal distribution, if you will, within the millennial generation of folks who are doing very, very, very well and then folks who rightfully worked very hard but still can't quite find ways to get ahead due to student loans, increased real estate values, interest rates, and things like that. It weighs on your mental health.

That's WSJ reporter Joe Pinsker and Ryan Hopp, a 35-year-old business consultant from the San Francisco area. And that's it for your Money Briefing. This episode was produced by Zoe Kolkin with supervising producer Melanie Roy. I'm Julia Carpenter for The Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.