Ep70: 两部电影 The Book of Clarence, American Fiction
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and sip it like you goodness gracious i look in faces they look like satan's they look like hatred i look no different is this the matrix them gold bullets come out the pistol they look like satan's is this the progress all the cages incarceration my congregation don't operate like a corporation i want my flowers and flower vases i want carnations i want begonias i want petunias and flower groomers cause i'm a god when you see me say hallelujah

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the latest episode of the Hire a Time podcast. This episode is with my old friend, Zhou. Hello, everyone. I'm Zhou, the village boy. I'm going to clean up your mess. Let's just call this a start. Zhou and I just finished watching the movie "The Book of Clarence". And a few days ago, we also discussed American novels. We've watched these two movies recently. We'll talk about them briefly and share them.

刚刚看完还没五分钟。 首先我想说一下的 Book of Clarence, 我当时看完之后就特别激动, 我几乎给每一个我认识的人都发了同样的话, 就是复制转发的人说, 你快去看,你一定要去看, 因为我自己是非常喜欢这部片的。

There is a very interesting background. Before the movie was officially released, it first released the soundtrack. I only knew about this movie after watching the soundtrack. Although the movie was released in 2014, it was first released in 2003.

Is it an independent film festival in the UK? Anyway, it's similar to the first premiere of such a film festival. When I knew this movie existed, I went to Douban to read the comments first.

You know what kind of people will comment on Douban. Maybe it's from Europe or England. And then I watched this movie. There is another reason. Some of the ratings are from some pretender. I watched an introduction and didn't watch the movie. But it got points. There are actually a lot of people like this in Douban. You know. Then this movie started with a very low rating. I think it's so bad. Then I had an idea.

It's a black movie, because you can see the "L'Aquive" that we like. We all like it. And then there's the "City Siler" that I like very much. This is a black actor that I like very much in the past two years. And then he talks about a story that looks like a Bible, which is equivalent to a play on parodies.

It must have some fans. And this movie is so low on the charts. I had an idea at that time. I said, "This movie must be so good." Really, I thought at that time, all the signs show that this movie must be good. And then I finished watching it. I was like, "Hmm, it's really awesome." How do you feel after you finished watching it? You just said this movie was released in early 2024. Then in 2023, it was first printed in the UK. I think it's pretty good after I watched it.

Yes, I think Lucky Sanfield is a new generation of characters. He was a bit of a troublemaker at first. But I think he's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like the typical character in this story. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like the typical character in this story. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like Wei Xiaobao. He's a bit like

她對信仰那個從一開始 堅決的覺得理性和知識要高於信仰 然後到最後

and then some things happen to you and then they change. That's pretty good. Listening to your introduction, it seems that this movie is about the existence of God, and Jesus used God's power to save the people from the fire. But that's not what it means. This movie, until the end, why did I tell you that I didn't like the ending? It seems to be a bit too much.

And then it's like asking you to believe in the devil or something. He actually didn't mean that. This director is called Samuel James. He is a director with a very strange brain. His real brother is a very famous R&B soul singer in the UK called Seal. This person, Lao Lin, likes it very much. He recommended it to me before.

I only found out about Samuel before The Book of Clarence. He also starred in The Harder They Fall. The director likes to use some different types of characters. For example, he likes western movies. You know that the main characters in western movies are all tall and handsome men. They are all white men with a cowboy image.

Clarence

He is actually a street kid, a bit of a hand-manager. And then he has no stable job, selling leaves. He is a drudger. And then he usually steals and exchanges things. He is a big money-maker. Yes. And then he likes to go to the street with his friends to pick leaves.

I have a good idea. And then they have a bad dad on the street. This bad dad is that dad's uncle. He fell in love with his sister. And then he felt that he was not so perfect. He is not a nobody. He wants to prove himself. Then he has a growth line. Then he experienced a mess. Then he realized his mistake. Then he paid the price. Then he finally

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刚才说的最后那一幕就是啥意思 就是看你怎么解读了 但我之前不是也简单的写了一下 我自己的感受 就是我觉得你是不是了解圣经的典故 你是不是懂得真正它那个时代的故事 它到底是有一个什么具体传达的一个 message 吗 我觉得这些都不是很重要的 最让你能享受这部电影是 你得了解很多黑人的那种梗 和他们的电影当中的这种东西 就比如说

What?

哈哈哈哈就是这种然后还有一些比如说 top boy 里边那个梗为什么我看他那个梗特别激动因为他其实特别短就是

When the little soul's men went to fight with Clarence, they were like "tch" and "tch" for a while. This "tch" is a very classic expression of Top Boy. Top Boy is a gang fight between the london lords. And every time he fights or expresses disdain or expresses that we can understand each other, that we are living under the same roof.

You can see that after the big fire of Taobao last year, many social networks imitated Taobao's thorns and used the thorns to create their music.

This is a very, very short, a very short video of Taobao. I don't think anyone will find this. Unless you've seen Taobao again, you'll understand. At that time, they were fighting on both sides. You can only feel that this director,

I thought a lot about it. What is the scene of the scene in the drama? He often expresses his disdain or there is nothing specific to target a certain situation. When they often talk, for example, when we say hello, we say "wagwang". Wagwang is a kind of native language of the Jamaican.

它就是 Hello 早上好或者你好打招呼这种意思 就是黑人帮派和帮派之间打招呼的这么一种 然后经常说话 就是他们那种嘶很大声你知道吗 就是特别明显的一个梗 他们没有说具体应该表达什么 有的时候是不屑 有的时候是嗨操就这样吧 类似于这种意思 所以你看这种很微小很细节的东西

He actually wants to integrate the culture of the black people into the background story of the Bible. And what you just said is true. The director also said in the interview before. It's obvious that all the people who live in Jerusalem are black. And only a few white people are government officials.

These Roman officers and soldiers. He obviously wanted to show the conflict between the white police and the black people.

He also made it clear. And I think it's very funny that the character of the Comrade is very funny. He was a beggar at the beginning. After he washed up, he was white and pure. He looked so trustworthy. Then he was treated as a fake Messiah without any reason. He was also put on the cross. Is this really funny? After he was put on the cross, he was painted by the descendants. Jesus, who we often see,

It's a classic painting. It's very ironic. That's what he meant. And there's a funny scene with the night club of the black people. The scene where they dance. Isn't this a street movie? Yes, it's good. So I think it's very funny. And I really don't know why I didn't like it when I watched it.

I don't understand. Do some people really think this is a drug? No, I don't think so. I think some people are now in some classic, how to say, based on some classic stories. This kind of shooting should be everyone can accept it.

The last one is also very interesting. Almost all of the last two are black celebrities. And you know, especially when I was watching the last one, the story is actually very weak. He is actually a bull to revenge.

The actors in the film are not the kind of actors that Hollywood would like, but the actors that black people themselves like. The way he chose these characters and arranged them, I think that's what black people really like. The director is also quite deep. Because of his brother, he should have some resources in the entertainment industry.

The first movie he made was directed by Eric Badun. It's amazing. He's very attractive and has a good relationship with Jay-Z. I heard that just now. He's very talented. He was the one who made the original sound.

There's also D'Angelo in the original. He's not a mysterious character. He only appeared in two albums. He's not very active now. But Samuel can get D'Angelo. He's very demanding and influential. And this director has a strong personal charm. When you listen to him talk about his story, you can be affected by his emotion.

Very interesting. He only filmed the last one you mentioned. And the first one, I forgot what it's called. You can find it on YouTube. But it's actually more independent. I haven't seen that one. The last one is the story of the Black Man and the Bull. It's the shooting method of the entire western film. The box office of this movie is very low. I think it doesn't seem like it's an outside work. There's a very strong issue there. And then everyone will think

Yes, I would like to go and see it. Like the American novel. But American novels are also a hundred, just a few thousand dollars. Is it? This is actually a few thousand. Is there a few thousand? Because when I watched it last time, it was still a month ago. At that time, the box office was very low. It was just released. And then Simon said that he actually didn't care about these at all. Because this movie actually spent a lot of money on investment. You see. I guess so. Yes, it was shot in Italy. And then this scene, the mess, etc.

When he talked about the box office, he didn't really care about how much money I could sell. He said, "But I believe that my movie will become a classic." He gave an example, saying, "I think this movie is classic, and it's as classic as when people remember the video of Alcatel's 'Hey Ya'." He is the contrast between "Hey Ya" and the music video.

It's interesting. So it's actually very unique and different. But there are a lot of ideas in my head. When I think about it, there are a lot of details that I find very funny. And I think there are some thresholds when watching this movie. It's not like what I said earlier, you don't have to know the Bible or something. You must understand the many black culture and wisdoms. And the actor is very good at it.

I think Keith is really good at this kind of role. CJ Siler. CJ Siler also appeared in the last part. He's so cool. I like him because when I first saw Rap Sheet, he had a little side character in it. It's also that kind of "farting" I just told you. You see him as a farting, a street-fool big brother. But when it comes to the real thing, he can carry you down.

Barabas is a great character. I can't remember his last movie. What was the name of the most famous movie? The one in France. He's a French actor. What was the name of the movie? Anyway, it's about an old man. It's a very romantic movie. I watched it about two years ago. There's a French drama on Netflix. He's playing a character like...

American Fiction

Zhou has posted a video on the North Park before the filming. Yes, it's simple. What is the title of the video? What is black literature? I think this movie is about this. It seems to be the award ceremony of Oscar this year. It's not the day after tomorrow. It's Monday. It's Monday on our side.

I think it's one of the most popular Asian movies this year. I think so. I didn't watch much last year. I watched some older movies. I'm not interested in new movies. I didn't pursue any. But I think I can talk a lot about American novels. What do you think? I was very happy at first.

I really didn't expect it to be so interesting. You know? Because at first I thought, oh, look at the story. For example, he is a college professor. Such a role. Then he saw the real black literature. What should it be? He should be just telling the story that I can understand. Or say, uh, follow some mainstream. This way of writing to us, to black people. The expectation of this narrative. How about this? Then when you first introduced me, you said so. So I didn't want to watch it at first. Because I think he is very...

I think it's more of a serious topic. But I think it's very interesting. It's interesting. And there are a lot of details in it that I think are worth discussing. Yes, I think it's really interesting. It's interesting. And then you like the warm and warm part of his family. I think that's a good point. I think the core of this movie is

I don't like it that much. It's about the discussion of literature. And the last scene, the first meeting of the two, the two writers, and their own writing ideas. I think that part of the debate is too shallow.

But this debate is actually in the story that she faked. It's actually a false narrative. This debate is not. The final debate is. No, no. Is it not? It was finally faked at the award ceremony of the Literature Awards. The debate was actually happening. Is it the debate between her and the female author? The debate between the female author was actually happening. Was it actually happening? Yes, yes, yes.

I'm a little confused now. I'll go back and think about it. Because in my impression, it's only when he and the director, the white director, were at the film set that he started the real life in the movie. Before that, it was actually the part of the novel he wanted to make into a movie that he fabricated. Including him as the judge and the female author discussing what kind of perspective the black literature should be used to describe it.

Oh, you mean from there on, the whole story starts from there? Yes, that's what I think. Because in my understanding, what is the name of the female writer? Is that the role of Issa Rae? Sintara? Yes, something like that. Anyway, I'll just call her Issa Rae because I'm used to it. In my understanding, Issa Rae deliberately wrote a novel full of black language and black expression. She is also

Munch, part of his fiction. Because I think he just wants to use this female author to explore what black literature should be like. If so, why would he write another book in his own fiction?

the criminal who fled the gang. Yes, I think this is a structure that is not in the script. In my understanding of this story, the whole thing that happened before, including Monk, he saw the novel of Issa Rae, "The Big Bang", and he was excited. He also wanted to make a bad story.

OK. OK.

The Artificial...

with a hard r, not n-i-g-g-a, it's hard r. Have you read this novel? No. It's really good. I really like Okana. I think Okana is a really good female author. Not just gender, but she's a really good author. Okana's short stories were also

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她是出生在南方,然后家庭非常保守的这么一个家庭里面。 是由于她的时代限制,所以她就是用了这么一种说法。 但其实这部小说,它其实讲的就是,

He talked about the conflict between race and gender. He was very caring. In many of his later interviews, he said that what this novel wrote was actually a sad story of a white man in the south under the influence of the Jim Crow bill and the racial isolation. So I read this novel and some of his comments.

I think that at the beginning, when we set up Monk as a literary professor, he talked about this novel and used his original title. This is no problem. Because you know, I'm particularly disgusted now. It seems that we always use a very PC attitude, but in fact, we are doing more research. This novel of Okana, in reality, it actually has a lot of room for discussion.

而且你就想作为一个文学教授, 他给他的学生讲这部小说, 明明这部小说他讲的就是南方白人的一种悲哀, 因为他们自己的无知和他们的这种可悲,

导致了他们自己悲剧的这种生活,他们没有任何问题,这又不是鼓吹白人至上主义,对吧? 现在可能真的难道情况就已经糟糕到这种地步了吗? 我们就连这种文学作品的用词都要去审查吗? 那我觉得就很可悲,所以最开始电影第一个场景设置在这儿,我觉得就很有意思了。

And I also think the director's choice of the novel by Alcona is very mysterious. In the end, when he was debating with Cynthia, Cynthia seemed to be reading this book. Is it? I really didn't notice this. But the story has been promoting that the author of Issa Rae is at a meeting for example,

读就是那个主持人不是说希望你能为我们读一段吗当时伊萨瑞选的这一段 你不觉得也很让你膈应吗就是你你就非常明显的感受到了他在这部小说里边用的这些词都当然是 黑人他们平时习惯用的这种说法但是他太刻意了刻意的让我觉得那个方式对刻意的让我就觉得有必要

We is. And then the black people didn't say ask.

Okay.

Maybe. Because the director, I've seen his interview, he said he deliberately made this movie a bit "Morning Leong Ke" so that everyone can discuss which one is true and which one is false. But I didn't think so when I watched it. I thought it was the three possible scenes that he bought until the end of the two-part movie. Oh, so that's how you understand it. That's really interesting.

We're talking about a new perspective. I think that's very smooth. I still agree with you. If there's already a female author, Cintyra, who is a character in the first virtual world, why does she need to play and imitate this virtual artist?

去進行另一番這種很投機的寫作 因為這兩者在他看來是一樣的嘛 在 Monk 的眼裡 他不是說 Fuck 這本書跟你的作品有什麼區別呢 就這兩本書是一樣的 那為什麼還需要自己再去虛構一層

to fight against the first layer of this narrative. But I think if you put Issa Rae's own, this is a reverse case of a black narrative, in her narrative story, it is highly praised, and then it is stimulated by the author of Monk here, writing Fark, I think it's also very interesting. He actually wants at least two to compare.

Is the line of the old man and the mother fake or real? All of them are real. The first two are all real. I think the relationship between him and his family, including his mother, his father who committed suicide, and his girlfriend who lives in an old house, are all fake.

It was only later that I realized that all of these things were the movies that he was going to make. Because when he was communicating with the director, he asked if his girlfriend would come. And he said that in my novel, the character's girlfriend wouldn't come. With his personality, she wouldn't come. So I took everything in front of me as part of his narrative. No, what he said was not that in my...

So you think that the younger brother in the same line is also a similar image in real life, right?

Tyler Perry

So what I'm thinking is that his brother really does have this role, but he exaggerates his brother's image a little bit. For example, he makes crazy moves and so on. Maybe some of it is based on reality, the real thing in their family life. But everything in the previous narrative is in his fictional novel. I think so. Forget it, it doesn't make any sense here. I think the core is to say

How should a black person tell their own story? Is this also the film you wrote? Yes, because I think I'm very... I think first of all, from this way of telling a story, I personally have a little bit of a contrast between this open and this blurred. I think it's very interesting. I think it's interesting, but it's also a little bit...

I always look forward to your positive feedback and your positive feedback on the story. I think it will be more impactful. I agree with you. You mentioned Bamboo Zone in your film. This is also a movie we watched together. Yes, it was a good movie.

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After watching the movie, I felt like I was in a lot of pain. So, Ben Buzo has not been recognized by the comment section or the public. Like Spike Lee, his style and his sharp point of view in his story, he can't be adapted by many people. Because people don't want to admit it. I forgot which character in American Fiction

白人不想要真正理解你。 白人只是想要被獲得赦免。 他不想再有這種負罪的心。 應該是他那個經紀人。 他那個就是文學經濟。 這句話其實說的就挺對的。 所以我感覺可能這部電影它...

In our reality, he is so highly discussed in the Oscar season. I think he is not as much as Spike Lee in terms of his relationship with Mullen and the ending he brought to you.

I think it's a true story.

I think if in real life there is a woman writer who wrote such a stupid work and received a lot of comments, I think the world is really bad to this extent. Yes, I think she has a lot of sarcasm. In order to achieve sarcasm, she has made some extreme and some dramatic and simplified processing. I think that's why. Because when I wrote that, the article also mentioned that

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more space for them. It made them like a post-war game. It made Morg use the success of another black writer to make him... How do I say this? To make him unsuccessful. The reason that the black writer was blamed was because of the mainstream literature.

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The cultural discipline of white people against black people is not that simple. It's very secretive and systematic. It's not like there are two high-ranking publishers, a very silly white woman and a very gay white man, and they just come up with these things. Including the judge group,

I think it's like

He might have tried to make it look like a sarcastic joke, but it was too much. It was too much. So I think everyone's performance is very common. I think this is probably what happened in the story of Monk.

Actually, I shared an article with you a while ago. In fact, many black literature has been being reviewed for such a long time, including our favorite Toni Morrison. So far, The Blue Eyes and The Little Pony are not in the library of high school or middle school.

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I think the sarcasm is okay. There are a lot of details in it. I listened to a lot of podcasts a while ago. Many podcasts are discussing this movie. One of the podcasts mentioned a detail that I didn't notice. I forgot what situation it was. He was watching TV. In this TV program,

Boys in the Hood

还有之前那个 The New Jack City, The New Jack City 里边讲的其实就是独投的一个故事嘛,然后 Chris Rock 还是里边是一个瘾君子,然后死了。 他意思是把这些东西放在了他要表达的这种到底什么才能代表黑人自己的故事,把这个东西作为一个讽刺。 你看我们在想到

boys and hood and new jack city or we also want to have some meanings to society like this kind of feeling oh authentic this is the real thing for black people and then you put it under the scope of this fan you feel very interesting oh i have a little bit of this film i think it's not good enough actually with the perspective of the race may not be too big but the relationship is not too big is this to this protagonist

I feel like this kind of person has seen a lot in the past. He feels that in the rise of a business or in a better social stage, he has abandoned many responsibilities and pursued success in his career and got some things. Until he touches the wall, and after touching the wall, whether it's because of his personal reasons, the environment, or the issue of publishing industry,

倒霉很倒霉之後總是就是這個家庭他就回過頭來去看他的家庭看他的家人 看他的愛然後發現自己對對身邊給予的太少了 就這個就很俗有點俗套嗎就這種設定已經見了很多的那見了很多的這情況下我所期待就是 他要讓這個主角再失去一點什麼就是讓他

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可能追求不到的時候 你才會回過頭來說 我是不是忽視了那個 然後總是這個人好像 在這樣的電影故事裡 很容易的就被原諒 很容易的大家就重新接納他 重新愛他 然後他就發現 原來我還可以靠我的 這些系統去實現我的價值 而不是說我以前緊盯著的那個 比如說高尚的文學夢想才有價值 然後我很希望這個人 在電影裡受到更多的懲罰

Oh my god, really? I hope to see more of him in the future. Otherwise, I think... Yes, you will feel that he is a bit... Anyway, the whole story can't stand up. Yes, otherwise it will be a bit vulgar. I just think... Actually, what can represent black people? What is authentic black literature or black culture? We also...

I remember when we talked about the "all about culture" in Bell Hooks, we talked about the definition of representative or how we see representatives. This is actually my feeling after listening to many podcasts. Have you ever paid attention to American fiction in the comment section or the general public? Everyone's good reviews are actually more, right?

除了我们刚才说的,他触及到的这些问题其实很深刻,但是他总是浅尝者止,好像并没有很深入的去挖掘他背后的这些东西,所以说他其实在大众层面接受度是比较高,再一个就是我听下来其实也真的是好评都非常多。

I think it's a very interesting idea that I've shared with you before. I've probably heard about seven or eight cultural broadcasts. They're all about a discussion about this movie. And then the white people broadcast it. Of course they like it very much. And then the white people are talking about it. After a long time, you feel like you haven't said anything.

I don't know what they're talking about. What I'm actually looking forward to is if you're standing in a white person, you are a person with privilege. And then although you can't really share this experience with black people, but do you have to make you realize that you've always been on the side of privilege or the environment you've been accepted in, you've been accepted in these cultures and influences, and there have never been black people who have encountered this kind of problem. This will bring you reflection. There is no even a little awareness of this.

They always discuss some unnecessary scenes or say that the director is doing this or that. This is actually very unacceptable to me. I feel very boring. I said it, but I didn't say anything.

However, Black people's broadcasts have mentioned Bamboozled without exception. I found it very interesting. Indeed, Bamboozled and Spike Lee are more popular among the Black people. Obviously, Spike Lee is the director of Black people. They all mentioned the comparison with Bamboozled. And Black people's broadcasts also mentioned something representative,

That's a crazy movie. Couldn't be me.

If the protagonist is a black person, if the story is about a black person, every black person seems to be anxious to interpret it, to explain it. It's like we're represented. Can't we black people enjoy a "that's a goofy movie"? But this is not me. It's very interesting to cry. Okay. So what he means is that

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Couldn't be me.

They hope that there will be more black directors and actors and more and more people will start to discuss

I don't think it's about what represents us. We think it's a crazy story. They want to use this kind of perspective. I think it's less of a burden. Yes, because if there is a black work, and everyone must discuss it, and find a way to reflect on it, and find their own point of view, it actually means that there are too few black movies. Yes, that's what I want to say. Yes, I understand what they mean.

I think the episode about the movie "Pop Culture Happy Hour" is very good. Because you know NPR is a media with a progressive perspective. All NPR shows are like this. The host of this show is a white woman. But there are other anchors, black and white, and men and women. They all discussed a lot of details that I didn't expect. There is a black male anchor in NPR.

He mentioned the details, why I think of the structure of the narrative of Monk like this. He mentioned that you didn't even notice that when he talked about the story of the main character and his family, the actor's style of Sterling and the style of the latter were different. This is obviously able to let him see the details. This is actually the first one is fictional, the latter is real. This is a line he gave me.

But if I look back, the hairstyle is not that different. If there is a big difference, we will find out. Or for a black man, from his perspective, the difference in hairstyle is very big. Can he tell which one is fake Sterling and which one is real Sterling? Because if he says that the shape is slightly different, I may automatically bring it to him. After the cabinet, the transformation of myself, I didn't think about it.

Yes, if you put it that way, I still think it's a good movie. Okay, let's stick to our own opinion. But I don't know if you look at the screen, will someone think this movie is too clever? That is to say, its setting is a bit too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too so too so too so too so too so too so too so too so too so too so is too so is so so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is so is

母亲有那个儿子海默,弟弟是个 gay,然后姐姐意外去世,然后对,就是太,就好像要有点刻意 是,我知道你的意思

因为像这种套路的这些东西, 可能我们看到这些角色, 它具体是怎么样的, 可能都能猜到它这个故事会怎么发展。 但是就是我听了这些节目, 我没有看太多的影评, 我就是听了一下这些关于节目的这种讨论, 还不太会聚焦于这方面。 其实我想说, 到底什么才是黑人文学这个点, 让我倒是想到了,

The Hate U Give

His family background is relatively good. His parents are looking forward to him to go to a good university and have a stable job. His family is very protective of him. It's a very happy family. He has a younger brother, a street child. This street child must be affected by the environment.

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Now the problem of racial discrimination is still very serious. As a black teenager, he has to face so many things since he was a child. He was well protected before, and then because his friend died in front of him, he really realized for the first time that the social structure was like this. We were still oppressed. This is a teen novel. After this novel was published, it actually received a lot of good reviews.

Although, in our eyes, it's still a set of police violence, whether it's a change in history or in many fictional literature, movies, and movies, there will be such a bridge, such a story. Why is this novel so popular after publishing?

and eventually it was transformed into a film of the same name. I read a comment that said that many black girls in junior high school or junior high school were moved by this story because they rarely see stories like this in our lives, or stories written by black female writers.

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I'm not saying this is a serious problem, but we're not denying its authenticity or its value. I really thought at the beginning that how could such a story be popular, but look at these real teenagers, they say that there are very few stories that can be accepted.

Especially now there is a type of coming-of-age novel. It actually talks about some teenagers or those who are not adults yet. These readers, these children in junior high school, especially these black students in junior high school, they actually rarely have

so close to the description of their lives. Otherwise, when you think of classic black literature, you must think of, for example, the novel by Tony Morrison by Horton Nobel, and the more serious criticism of the literature by Bill Hooks, or

Like this kind of serious and big works. But there are very few works written for us teenagers. I saw a lot of comments later that this situation is not as open and positive as I thought. And then I learned that there are many classic black folk works.

They are not allowed to appear in the school library in the first year of high school. I realized that we are not as advanced as we thought. All these progress, you can see that it is still like those white clowns. You wrote this really great, something like that. We realized this problem. They just want to get rid of their guilt. They don't really want to help you.

OK.

there are indeed very few works of art that can be accepted by young Americans. I realized this after I finished reading it. It's because I really thought too simply before. So I think,

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It's not like everyone can enjoy the same thing. I really recommend The Hint You Give. Although you can imagine that I just put the story in the book. You probably know what it's about. The heroine and her boyfriend have a lot of problems. It's the first time to see that the judicial system of the whole society is actually unfair.

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I can understand it myself So you can imagine that in fact, in the comment section, black people's literature still occupies a very, very small position. It has a market, but it is actually very scarce.

I always feel that, for example, with the development of the Internet, many "dark people" have become popular terms that everyone uses. It's not difficult to understand these things, but there are also literary editors who say, "I don't understand what you're writing. I need to use Urban Dictionary to investigate before I know." So I think this distance and this gap is much more than we imagined. Okay. Yes, I remember it seems like

In American Fiction, the white grandma in the book, she had a conversation with Monk. I think there's a scene where she's talking about this. She asked Monk, "I remember there's a word that she didn't say correctly." And I think I understood it at that moment. Yes, yes. You might say it wrong. She might really say it wrong. She might really not understand.

So you see, we often say that because of what we pay attention to, it's just this part. You think this is what I should be able to accept, but in fact, this thing is not something that everyone can understand. So you actually still agree with the character of Issa Rae, the co-production of Sintera is also very meaningful.

I think it's meaningful, but if it's received so many positive reviews, and there's no criticism, then I don't think it's possible. Because we can't judge its writing ability based on this movie. Is it really talking about its own black experience? It's just reading the part it wrote in the movie. This part makes me feel bad.

I don't like that.

But according to his conversation with Monk, he was saying, for example, he proved himself, that I was sincere, I was really writing my own experience. He said it was not his own experience, but he did a lot of research. He seems to be a rich family, elite middle class, so you sent him to a very fancy publishing house. That's really rubbish, that's too rubbish, it's not good to write.

I agree with you. For example, there are many books like "The Hate U Give" or other books like this. I think the more you read, the more you should treat it as something that belongs to the experience of the black people. Of course, it is based on the perspective of the black people and the experience of the black people. But you don't need to judge it every time it appears. Whether it is authentic or not. It makes sense.

I mean, is it really black or not? Are you really K.P.Rio or something? I think this topic can be applied to many things. And it's always being discussed. After watching American Fiction, I thought of Spike Lee's other drama a few years ago. It's called She's Got Habit. You've seen this movie, right? It's the one you filmed last year and then flipped it over a few years ago.

That movie is early, it's the 80s, it's a very early movie by Spike Lee. In the 80s, he was talking about a black woman, and he was mainly discussing her relationship. I think her female consciousness is very strong, and then in the first few years, it changed into a TV series, and then divided into two seasons.

The first season is more like a movie. It's about the story between the heroine, Nola Darling, and her three lovers. It's about how she finds herself, how she deals with her own

and the social environment at the time. And then in the second season, there's a very interesting continuation. This Nola Darling is a female artist. And because she had experienced a very bad sexual assault on the street, she created a series of works, these works of art. In reality, Spike Lee

I found an artist consultant. And then I used another black artist. What she actually wanted to express was that I am not, as a woman, I have what, self-righteousness. I am not the label you think I am. Especially the label you often use on minorities. I am a sexy representative of this and that. I am myself. She actually wanted to emphasize this. And then in the second season,

This work became a slogan for a commercial promotion event. Then the female artist started to doubt whether the art she did was related to her. Then she participated in an artist retreat program. All of them are black artists. The founder is a bit like the publisher. He is not a black person, but he is also a

Let me think about it. He is not a black person, and he is not a white person. He is another minority. They are all talking about the unity of minorities. This project is to help all black artists. I can provide you with funding. But this is definitely for profit.

You put the black artists together and you pay them. In fact, it's for you to be their art agent. When their works are sold at a very good price, you take it from there. Isn't that the way of the art world? Then this Nola Darling found that there were many black people in the artist gathering. When they were creating their own works of art, they were a bit like American Fiction. A kind of racial pain

然后我自己遭受了哪些不公,然后甚至是一种非常抽象的,你一看就是在糊弄事的那种你看不懂的当代作品,然后经过这个黑人艺术家,创作者本人一解释,你觉得好深刻,他解释了我们社会的不公,他是一个非常强有力的作品,这全都是很虚伪的。

The female lead created a very offensive work. At first, Spike Lee set a lot of suspense. The female lead's work is in a small dark room. Everyone is watching. You have to enter the dark room and watch it alone. You can't talk after watching it.

The story is about her friends, her parents, and her friends in the art world. After everyone walks in, they all look different. The contrast is very big. Her friends around her are very good, but they say, "That's wrong. That's very wrong. You can't do that." Some of her friends say, "You did a great job. This is the kind of black art we want to see."

And then until the end, he showed us what Nola's artwork was. His work is a painting of oil. This oil painting is Nola painting herself naked, and then she's wearing the American flag pattern. And then she was hanged by her long whip. It's such a work. Actually, you think this is a very Spike Lee.

然后我想到了这个就觉得, 它其实能和 American fiction 联系在一起, 就是包括它这个艺术家女主, 在那个艺术家的那个 retreat 里边, 这 program 里面认识到那么多的黑人, 他们这样表达自己的艺术, 其实就像你现在看到很多黑人作家, 好像说写自己真实的黑人经验, 就得怎么怎么样, 才足够 authentic, 然后你必然一定要触及到,

the problem of police violence, the problem of the system, the problems of the 400-year-old slave trade that we have been facing. And what NOLA means is

Of course you can talk about this, because this is your experience. This is the experience that our ancestors brought us. This is the pain that has been left behind in history. I want to show it. I want to show the extreme and extreme. I want to make everyone feel offended. Many people think that this is another kind of racism. This is a self-hate. So I really think Spike Lee is thinking quite far.

What does it mean to hate oneself?

其实你对你自己的族裔种族的这个历史,就是始终无法,就是,不,他其实就是还是说你要把这些,因为为什么很多人会觉得,尤其是很多黑人在那个故事里边会觉得受到麻烦,就是觉得首先黑人被吊死这件事情,就是曾经过去历史上真实发生的嘛,然后你现在你也把自己放到了那个位置上,就是你其实还是一种,

奴隶的这种 mindset 因为很多人会这样理解 这个在艺术界其实有很多很多的例子 因为我之前不是也跟你说过 很受艺术圈

a recognized black female artist, Kara Walker. Kara Walker is a very iconic work. She used paper-cutting to create a lot of images of black people being tortured, hanged, or whatever. And then the artists went crazy, you know? But there are many more radical people in the black community who say that you are using the pain of black people to capitalize.

I understand. Many people say that this is self-hatred. This is actually a kind of hard-working mentality because you are still trying to please the white people. I thought of a particularly inappropriate example. There are many directors in China. When they talk about Chinese stories, they also have such an image. For example, I used to be a big brother. He didn't really like it.

Chinese directors are like, "We must tell Chinese stories, Chinese narrative, in the countryside." They must talk about the Cultural Revolution, about the Zhena, about the oppression of the people by the system. There must be such a plot set up. And then the comments in Europe are like, "You can like it," and so on. He thinks this is deliberately ugly. At the age when I was still very angry, I think

He was telling the truth. But then I thought that the Western commentators would like to see such Chinese narrative. Although we admit that this is actually a part of Chinese history, we do not deny its value worth discussing or deny its entire work of art. But you will think that this is actually a bit of a speculation. Don't you think?

Yes, I think it's hard to judge. The conclusion is that it's really hard to judge. It's really hard to judge because it's really similar. I think this is the end. For example, whether it's a Chinese director like this or a writer like Mark Fisher in the film, how do we see what they do in the end?

If this is the only way for him to write his own work, if the whole system is left to you, then you can only submit to them and give them what they want to see. When he does this, do you understand him? Do you tolerate him? I think maybe, on this issue, maybe the Chinese creators and the black people who see his novels,

I personally don't know how to evaluate it. I just feel that I would rather see it as a system of evaluation that is completely unreasonable. Just give up on it and use your own energy to develop new things and achieve results. But it's really hard. I feel like it's almost impossible.

Especially in the topic we just talked about. Because the cultural review we are facing is different, but there are some commonalities. This can't be deepened. Let's go back to the question of black culture. Do you think you can tell the truth about the black experience by speculating?

I think it's hard. Because I think sincerity is a very... Yes. A line of the line. Yes, because a person's self is so... For me personally, I always feel that how can you claim to be sincere? He is constantly changing. His point of view, maybe at that moment he is very sincere. But the next moment, it's completely the opposite.

different things, but they are true. These things exist. So, under this situation, I usually only look at the origin of this person. Is the origin of this person consistent with what he expressed? Then I make my own judgment. If I think it's about this, then I give him this moment.

I have a standard of evaluation. Actually, this standard of evaluation is not for the work itself, but for the level of our vigilance. I told you before, the sentence of Tia Noir is "I get suspicious when men are having too much fun."

Yes, her evaluation is that we are judging this woman. She is expressing these things on her body, expressing her sexual attraction or her sexual needs. She is really in line with the set of things in Nanning. Or I am also true to express this need. It depends on your evaluation. Even if you are really out of female autonomy, you are expressing yourself.

If this result is successful, then you have to be alert. I think I can evaluate this standard. I get suspicious when white people are having too much fun. If the result of this is that white people are good at evaluating, then you should think about it. They are really

Or they are just trying to make you feel the art you want to express. They are just trying to make you feel the art you want to express. Or they are just trying to make you feel the art you want to express. Or like the black people I mentioned before, they said this is a goofy movie. Couldn't be me. Makes sense.

I think what Tino said was very interesting. I often quote from his videos. You told me that you were wearing a very revealing dress, expressing your abuse, claiming that you are empowering women, expressing your power to control your body.

But look at the result. All those men are cheering. This is really interesting. When you are talking about gender inequality, there are indeed many things that make men gain power. You should think about what your own starting point is for. I have such a very extreme idea now.

I don't want to say that he really has some difficulties that he has to face or that he is limited in his expression. I suspect that the real motivation of this person is sincere. I just look at the result. If you are for women, then the other party who has the power is not calling for you. I'm not saying that they don't call for you to prove your justice or that they call for you.

It means you are not right, but the result requires you to be vigilant. Who are you satisfied with? Are you putting yourself in a position of being humiliated? Or are you really standing up? OK, if I follow this standard, I will judge Kendrick Lamar. I didn't expect you to ask me this question. It's a little interesting, but it's really hard.

Anyway, white people are really not good. White people are really boring. You can compare it with those bloggers who discuss popular culture. You should pay attention to the host, his race and background. The difference is very obvious. But I think like the last time I replied to you on WeChat, sometimes I feel like I can share that kind of boredom.

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I'm not saying that this privilege makes me feel like I'm a bit of a no-no. I feel like I'm with, for example, women. Actually, I don't have much to talk about with you guys. I can only enjoy your work in a different way. I can't say that I have any resonance with your experience. And then the final expression seems to be very... It seems that I don't have a perspective from my own point of view.

I can understand the situation from my perspective and create my own interesting expression. Do you think this is important? I think... Just based on your own thoughts. If you say, am I evaluating this work? Am I feeling this? Or am I a heterosexual man who is trying to protect his family? I think you need to bring so many pre-existing definitions to yourself.

That's so crazy shit. Could it be me?

Yes, you mentioned that there are very few books that black teenagers can read. And then we said that because there are few books for black people, there is a thing that people will constantly discuss whether it is authentic or not. In fact, the female author of American Fiction also mentioned it in the debate. She asked if you would think who she was talking about.

He said that a writer would think that the writer's writing represents all the experience of the white people. I forgot if he said that. He actually pointed to this level again. Just said it's okay. I just rethought it. I don't think the debate was as superficial as I thought. I may go and see it again. Didn't we mention it before? That guy said he saw Mahatma. No one saw Mahatma and said, "Thank you for representing so many white people."

Because the word "be" represents the logic behind it. It's a definition of a person with more right to speak to a person who doesn't have that much right to speak. It's a kind of right to explain. I think what we're talking about is actually all connected. It's connected to the episode of being hooked. Anyway, just write more and create more. The more, the less.

I often feel that some domestic "fag girls" have made me think, "How did this happen?" But when I think about the reality, I feel that no matter how much they are "fag" they can't be considered "fag" They have to be "fag" and be "fag girls" So I don't want to be "fag" no matter how "black" I am

That's some crazy shit. Couldn't be me.

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