The Best Of The Pick Up - This Group Chat Mishap Is The Stuff Of Your Nightmares
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This episode was recorded on Camaragal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. I'm Brittany. It was a big week. Was it? Well, you had the dummy fairy come, but that's a whole nother story. I can't talk about that though, because I already talked about it on the podcast. I know, but it was big. And then I felt so light on for personal stories to talk about. I also talked about it on radio. It's taken over my life. That's what happens. The dummy fairy. That's okay. She's coming. She's coming.

She did come, as you guys know, and we are a dummy free household now, but I'll update you guys like, you know, next week. Probably, probably. But it was very exciting. It was your birthday as well, but we spoke about that as well. You are dragging that out though, Laura. We have another dinner for you this week. Like that's been quite a long process this birthday. That's okay. I feel like as you... That's okay, she says. As you reach, as you get closer and closer to 40, I feel like I'm at least entitled to a couple of days of celebration.

Yeah, I feel like most people don't go to OTT for 39 because 40 is next. To be fair, I didn't go OTT. I just talked about it on one episode and then I went out for one dinner. It just was a week late. Yeah, it's just because you're a bit depresso so we did have to double down. We're like, oh, she really needs something. So we...

All right. Well, look, guys, if you haven't figured it out, this is The Pick Up, which is our radio show. All the best bits from radio, we package it up and bring it here for you so that you don't have to listen to radio if you don't want to. You can just listen to it easily here. And we did have the beautiful Jessica Mowboy in studio this week. We love her. We've spoken to her quite a few times over the years. She's such like this little ray of sunshine. Well, she's just had a baby.

Baby Mia. Her first one. She's been super private about it, but she shared kind of what that experience was like, finding out that she was pregnant. And also, I mean, she's the epitome of this. Like how do you juggle an incredibly successful career alongside new motherhood and at the same time launching new businesses? Like it's crazy, it's inspiring, but also it seems like she's definitely got her hands full.

And we also talked about group chat mishaps. This was funny. It was. It comes off the back of what happened with the Donald Trump administration, the group chat, which is not funny. It's terrible. But how they had a group chat going around that they accidentally added a journalist to. If you don't know what we're talking about, Google it. There's a lot to it. But we wanted to know what were your group chat mishaps. And we had potentially the funniest call we've ever had on The Pickup. Her name was Paige. She's also a lifer. And holy dick,

Literally. It was a great, great group chat mishap. And I don't know how. I was viscerally uncomfortable. I don't know how they ever recovered. So that's all coming up next.

Well, it's been a very big week for our very own Australian Sia, like super singer-songwriter Sia. Wow, that was a lot of alliteration I didn't even mean to do. Chandelier. Yeah, I guess that works. Different letter, but same sound. I wasn't trying to make an alliteration. I was actually just trying to, you know, yeah, anyway. I'll sing it for you, everyone. Well, firstly, she, this is not funny, she has filed for divorce from her husband, David. She's been married for two years, but it just came out this week that she's divorced. Yeah.

Secondly, the name of her child has been announced. I don't know if you've heard this, Laura. Do you know what Sia has named her child? I did see this and now I've forgotten. What was it? It's something terrible. Somersault Wonder. No. No. Somersault? Like gymnastic move? Somersault? You can't. Wonder, like Wonder Woman. It's funny because like I remember when Gwyneth Paltrow named her oldest Apple and everyone thought that was real wacky and now Apple's just super standard and then there's like… If you were Somersault, you'd be frothing if your name was Apple. What?

Anyway, that's not even what I wanted to talk to you about. What I wanted to talk to you about is like the crazy rumours that celebrities have to face. Sia finally has this week put one of her wildest rumours to bed. Have a listen. What is the craziest rumour you heard about yourself? That I was living in Beyonce's basement. So there's a bit of rumour going around. Who was that guy? Was that Gollum?

He was doing the interview. A very American, very energetic interviewer. But it's been going around since 2015 that Sia lived in Beyonce's basement. And I wouldn't have put this room into bed either. I would love for people to think for eight years I'd been living with Beyonce. If anyone's going to have a nice basement, it's Beyonce. Like she's, that's not, that's not a regular person's basement. That could be a full apartment. Could you imagine? It would be bigger than my house. But the rumors, like that's a good rumor. I was thinking of

Avril Lavigne, you know the rumour that she's dead? That she's been replaced by a fake woman that just looks like her?

Yeah. Joanne McNally did a whole podcast around the rumours. If you don't know, she's a very funny Irish comedian. She did a whole podcast series around the rumours that Avril Lavigne is not really alive anymore. Whatever her name is. Is it Levine? Levine. Levine. Or she's, yeah, she's, I don't think she's actually. Definitely not Levine. I don't think she's alive. It's the guy from Maroon 5 or whatever it is. Adam Levine. Is that what I'm saying? He's Levine as well. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

You heard it here first. Their name is Levine. And I'm starting that rumour because I don't know any celebrities' names. The only rumour... Sorry, just the way that you were trying to really justify that. You know what? I was getting mixed up with Adam Levine. No, also not. Shut up.

The only rumour that I... I mean, I'm not a big enough celebrity for people to make rumours about me. I don't think anyone cares. You've got loads of rumours. What do I have? There's a whole thread called Laura Burns Rumours. No, it's not. I made that up. There was a rumour that I was pregnant when I wasn't pregnant. That was a really nice article to face. The other one was when Matt and I first met. So I met my husband on The Bachelor and when we very first met...

there was a rumor that came out that we already knew each other and that the whole thing was a setup and that like it was orchestrated for me to win the show and that we were always going to be together. Like we had a secret pact.

That's what came out and that wasn't true. That comes out on every single Bachelor season. You guys did make eyes in a sauna. You had seen each other beforehand. And we are still in contract. So like that's why we're still together and have two children. You have the tenure contract. The room that I think about, which I use it to my advantage sometimes, sometimes it was detrimental, but there was a rumor and it was on Google. Wasn't it a rumor? Yes, it was. It's not true. On Google, if you typed in my name,

The first article that would come up is Brittany Hockley's net worth. And it said that it was, I was worth $275 million. I don't know where this came from. I've known Brittany very well and have known her for a long time. Absolutely. I would just like to say that I know that that is absolutely untrue. No.

Nothing, not even close. But when I started dating my fiancé, Ben, I know the first thing that you do, because I also do it, is Google each other. Like when you start dating someone, you don't even have to be famous to do that. No, no, no. You do your due diligence. Criminal records. I want to know everything. I want to know what's been going on in your life. 100%. So I did my Google on Ben. He lived overseas and he did his Google on me. And I knew, I was like, oh, no.

No, he thinks I'm loaded. Because we just like hooked up for a weekend. I was like, he thinks I'm worth so much money. No wonder he wanted to keep dating you after you guys had one hangs and bangs. That's what I said. But we didn't have this conversation for a couple of weeks. And then I said to him, hey, I need to talk to you because he lives overseas. And he's like, what? And I said...

I think I've realized why you're so interested in me. Because I was like, in my head, I was like, this guy barely knows me. He doesn't live in the country. Why is he chasing me so hard? And I was like, he thinks he's hit the jackpot. And I had to have a conversation with him about like, I know you would have Googled me and you would have seen my net worth. And he's like, yeah, I absolutely did. And I said, well, I like, I think that you're dating me for that reason. And I need to know that that's not true. I don't earn that money. And he goes, Brittany, I thought that for about 24 hours until I saw your apartment. He's like...

I'm not with you for your money. I hate to break it to you. And I was like, great, then we can continue on. It was real love. Well, I'm very happy for you. What, not for the $275 million? No, I'm actually devastated for you. Now we have an icon in the studio, Australian icon, singer, amazing mum, literally everything you can do. And Jess, it's so wonderful to have you back here. Thank you. But your life has been so busy. Hang on, you haven't said who's in the studio. It's Jessica, everybody.

I'm like, Laura, tell everyone who's in.

this year? Well, we've been talking about it all, Shona. You have been, honestly, the busiest woman in the last six months. You have started your new skincare label and you just had a baby, baby Mia. Oh my gosh, it has been. I mean, the last three years itself has been really wild, creating Desert Rose, the company and the brand and bringing an amazing team together to bring this incredible SPF 50 plus hydrating face serum. That was something that I've

I guess in my life I've always wanted to do. You know, music has always come first along with family, being out on the road, you know, and I always imagine myself being a mother as well, you know, mothering internally to my nieces and nephews. I,

I guess all round. It has been a big change, particularly with creating Desert Rose, but also quite magical with birthing baby Mia. So, yeah. Doing it all at once was a choice. That was a choice. It just happened. And I think...

as music is and developing music, I almost had to look at it that way, whereas I was just going on with life, making music, writing the story, extracting things from my experience and my journey and people that I've met along the way. And I think life is

sometimes happens that way. And for me, it was happening that way. It was just going, I was meeting and showing up for it and immersing myself in it as well, I think is the word, which was making me happy. Did you feel as though you wanted to have a pivot from music and creating a company and becoming a businesswoman? Or do you feel as though this is something you want to run alongside and do it together? Yeah, it was definitely on the outside of music that I was doing. It was...

I guess I love smelling things. Let's just go there for a second. Is that why you smelt me when walking? I was like, mmm, Brittany smells so good. I'm one of those people, like to like something and the smell has to make me feel good. So do you just sniff baby Mia all the time now? Because everyone says newborn babies, like you just want to eat them and smell them. It is a bit like that. I tend to gaze at her a lot every day, just looking at her.

And I find I'm seeing myself like I'm looking in the mirror. It's kind of scary. Like I look at her and I'm like, whoa.

that's me, you know, or her head shaped that way or the way her hairline is kind of growing or the way she's like frowning or smiling in her sleep. Like there's those kind of things that make me kind of be in awe of life. Has becoming a mum been what you expected it to be or has it been different? Ups and downs like of it. You know, I hear my sisters and see my sisters how they're developing and growing their children. But I think

Personally, yeah, it is different. It is different to how I'm taking it on. And I think space with me has been a really big thing and has allowed me to really enjoy the process of just doing it how I intuitively think I need to do it with all the right guidance and the information and, you know, what feels right is right. It's so hard. Like some people seem to just naturally take to it.

I think I was very much a learner. Like I got better as it as time went on, but it didn't feel super intuitive to me, I don't think. But also I do think when I had my first baby, I was trying to do everything still as though I didn't have a kid. Like I was still working full time and like trying to –

I socialise and it seems as though like you've taken some real time for yourself in this little bit. I know that you've just launched this business, but has music taken a little bit of a back burner at the moment? Like what's your plan for music now? Yeah, well, during the whole pregnancy, so last year when I found out in April, I was just on the back end of my tour. And so that's when I really felt, oh, something feels different. Like I'm coming off more exhausted. Like I'm literally on all fours just like panting and –

trying to catch my breath, you know. And so it was quite scary. But also I was like, oh, wow, I need to go to my GP. We'll take a pregnancy test, really.

And it wasn't showing up. And so I thought, oh, maybe it's really, it was really, really early. But that kind of really spun me into a spiral. And I didn't know if I needed to tell my team or just that kind of thing, just managing it and then feeling a little bit self-conscious like about the whole thing. But it was two, three weeks later, I tried again. I literally bought, I think, five boxes of

So every day? You don't want to wait? But I just, I tried to just kind of be patient. And yeah, it was like literally the fourth week I tried it. It was faint. And I was like, okay, I need to book myself into the GP. Went to the GP. And she's like, congratulations. She was like, wow. And I just sat there. I was almost like I had an out-of-body experience. And then I came back into my body and I was like, yes, I think so. Yeah.

I wasn't quite sure. And I was just surprised and happy and overwhelmed. And how am I going to tell family? And, you know, what's that going to be like? And he's always wanted to be a father. So that was something I knew he was going to be really excited about. But how was he going to, you know, take it? And when I did express it to him, yeah, he was in tears. Like,

He was really overjoyed, you know, and ready. I think he was just already ready. Okay, what do I need to do? Like, where's the appointment? What do we need a book? What do we need to buy? And I was like, I don't know, bub. I'm in this for the first time. So let's just see how it goes, you know. I think I might be having some emotional things that are coming up. So I've got to manage that first. Yeah.

And so how is your – I'm always fascinated by this. Also, this is someone that doesn't have kids that doesn't know when or what I'm going to do. But how did your birth plan, if you had one, differ from when the time actually came? I didn't have a plan. At first I was like maybe I should have a plan. But I got so overwhelmed that I just –

completely throughout the plan. I was like, I'm going to be open. I don't know what it's going to be like. I don't know how my body's going to react. I'm just hoping that Bubba's really nurtured in there. Bubba's going to be okay. And that if I just

maybe if I remain calm and give myself some really good and, you know, happy endorphins, then it might just, you know, it might run smooth and, you know, Bubba will grow. So that's kind of how I kept thinking about it and processing it, not having visualized or seeing Bub yet.

So I think as I got closer to doing like the ultrasounds and when I actually seen the little bean, the little bug, I was like, oh, wow, you know, and then learning that you could know the gender at that point. I was like, okay, this is a lot. I'm just going to step back and not, yeah, not to try and think about it too much. But I think because you're always feeling, it's just there. Well, most people have like a playlist that they birth to. Did you?

Did you listen to yourself? Good question though because the funny thing was I'd just released the Yours Forever record. So I was not only touring, I was promoting the record. So I was listening to myself. Good.

I was literally singing my songs, singing the stories, being on different stages in front of different people and just absorbing, you know, all the good stuff that music makes me feel. And I just tried to keep working and not think about it too much. And I really didn't have a birth plan. I didn't, we didn't do the, we had dimming lights, but that was just the hospital lights. We just turned them down. Yeah.

Imagine your baby coming out into the world too. Like it's obviously heard you talk the whole time but to listening to you and it could have been worse. Imagine if you were the artist of like –

My neck, my back. Girl, girl. Like it's a good song to come out to. That's funny. That's funny that you mentioned that because I was breaking my back in the hospital. Like when I wasn't having contractions, I was walking up and down and doing like back cramps. Like I was literally just trying to buy time because those contractions were real. They are real. You didn't have drugs, did you? I didn't have any drugs. I didn't have any drugs.

I didn't want to be a hero and I didn't want to be like, you know, but if it got really worse and I just couldn't handle it, there was that kind of look to them and them would be like, okay, she needs something. But it was right at the end that I gave the last two pushes. I did end up tearing a bit on the wall. And

That's when I thought I would try the gas. But it was literally two stitches. You're done. I was.

I'm going to try it anyway because if someone asks me, like, did I have any drugs? I can guess when I get a laser. I had two puffs. That's what I had. Jess, you're allowed to say you didn't have drugs. Like, that's not touching the science at that point. That's so crazy. But I think mentally, right? I just thought to myself, I cheated at the end. Right? Yeah. She cheated. There is no judgment here. You can have all the drugs. I literally got into hospital and I was like, give me the menu. Thank you. All of it. What is it? They're like,

Laura, you're not in labor yet. And I was like, I don't care. I love you. Laura's like, I'll take the opioids. Jess, Desert Rose, your beautiful new skincare that you've launched. Why was it an SPF 50 plus that you wanted to bring out? Yeah, so the story behind that was growing up in the Northern Territory was something that I really loved. I loved my childhood, but I didn't realize the impact of...

the sun and the UV and in Darwin, the humidity and the heat and a lot of the time overcast due to the weather.

I wasn't really educated on that. And so I really wanted to now in my adulthood years is to role model how important your skin is. You know, you only have one skin and the UV never rests. And so that's what along the way, teaming up with amazing people who had the knowledge, who had the science background, who worked in the skin industry and

talking with them, you know, understanding how it worked. I really wanted to role model that, you know, your skin is important, particularly for my community, you know, and people who potentially tan that don't know the background of how a damaging skin

that could cause your skin. So I also think it's like, there's so much misinformation because I would say that a lot of people would just assume, especially having indigenous skin, like you've got such a beautiful dark skin, that there's some natural protection in that. Right. And that might be the case to some extent, but like one in three Australians will be diagnosed with skin cancer. Which is so scary. Do you know what the difference is in that out of curiosity?

Like skin cancer rates in Indigenous? Skin is skin. Like it is the same and it penetrates exactly the same. So there is no difference in that. Like, yes, it probably absorbs differently at some level, but down the road you're still, yeah, you still are needing to protect. And do you have any...

Any plans to expand this range and to be like a whole entire broad skincare range? That was kind of like the dream of it. A hero product that made me feel nourished and protected and also that I could wear day and night. You know, I'm constantly under the lights on stage, you know, so I wanted something that, you know, was a skin barrier but also…

made me feel good, didn't sting my eyes. We all know that feeling. But also that kind of worked with my tone and that could work with all tones and all skins. So this is something that I really wanted to be

A forefront in people's minds, young people to protect your skin, you know, also cover up, you know, and also feel good, glowy, hydrate, take care of your skin, take care of your body and enjoy it. You know, simple as that. The very first thing I did when you handed it to us was I opened it and smelled it. I'm the same and it smells incredible.

Talking about smells earlier, how I was like amazing. The packaging is so beautiful. Thank you. Jess, congratulations. It's phenomenal. Thank you. I look forward to, you know, people feeling good in their skin and enjoying it and having fun with it as much as I have. I was really hoping you would have brought baby Mia in here so I could get my little... Me too. But she's in the factory working. You've got to...

I got our little hands going. It's so nice to see you absolutely thriving. Congrats on motherhood. Congrats on the business. Like literally everything you do turns to gold, I should say. Like even your packaging is gold. It's actually really incredible. But we love to see it. Well, for everyone, Desert Rose, it's just launched. You can find out more at desertroseaustralia.com. Congrats, baby. Thank you. Big love.

Okay, today we're talking about group chat mishaps. Now, I shouldn't have wet myself laughing because it's actually really bad. We're very detrimental to the world's politics. But this for me, this news article was the funniest thing I've read in a long time. So Trump's administration has accidentally added

They've added an American journalist from the Atlantic into their group chat where they are talking openly about war plans. Yeah, but it's not funny. They're talking about bombing Yemen. No. We can't say it's the funny. That's not funny. No, very not funny. No, for me, the funny thing is I think Donald Trump and his administration are dumb. So that's where I think it's funny. I'm like, how have you accidentally...

added someone in, a journalist of all people, somebody whose job it is to report on this, how you've accidentally added them into a group chat where you are openly talking about who, when, how, why you're going to bomb people. I actually cannot believe that this has gone down. Some things just should never go down in a group chat.

Some things are not meant to be in a group chat. Yes, some things shouldn't be in a group chat. But the funniest part is how you accidentally have added someone to a group chat or you've accidentally sent something to a group chat that you didn't even know you were in or you've entered the wrong chat. I remember it was actually only a couple of weeks ago. I'm in a group chat with my fiancé, Ben.

my brother-in-law Jay and my sister Sherry. Ben sent like a selfie of himself and he had no shirt on and he'd just finished training. He's overseas because we don't see each other. He just sent a selfie and he's like, miss you and he sent it to the chat but it was supposed to just be to me. But he sent it to the group chat and all of a sudden my brother-in-law's writing back being like, miss you too, baby. Like, look in her hand. It's easy to do especially when everyone has a million different group chats open. Like, I mean, poor JD Vance just had 15 group chats and he sent the wrong thing and added the wrong journalist. Like, you know, can you blame the guy? Yes,

It needs to sack. Do you know what happened? Okay, give us a call. If you've had a group chat mishap yourself, we want to hear about it. I'm sure it is not as bad as this one. But my sister-in-law had her second baby, I think it was. And her husband had taken a photo of the baby. But in the background was my sister-in-law in...

in the afterbirth still in the position of birthing. Like the baby had just come out. You'd see things you probably shouldn't have seen. Yeah. And he sent that to my mother-in-law. So like to her mum to say, you know, congratulations, Nana, he's an ex-baby. She then sent that on to the entire family group chat because she was so excited that the baby was in the world, not realising what was happening in the background of that photo. So she literally just folded on a nude.

There was a gaping wound in the background and she was like, here it is. To be fair, your sister-in-law at that point probably didn't even care. She was probably like, I have literally just birthed a child. She's got four brothers. I think she did care. I think she didn't want them to all see that. I guess that depends.

That depends. Well, I don't think the broads are going to be like zooming in. Well, I hope they're not. Well, look, we've got Paige on the line. Paige, what happened in your group chat? What went down? Alrighty. Well, my dad sent a dick pic to the family chat group when my grandma was dying. What kind of picture was it? Who was it meant for?

My grandma was dying and we had a group chat group and the priest was in there and it was just kind of like a well-wishes chat group and just organizing everything. And my dad's pretty raunchy. His partner was away and he was like, I'm going to put a piece of her lacy underwear on and send her a dick pic. Sorry. He put her on launch

Sorry, Paige. Back it up. Your dad put his partner's underwear on and sent that into the farewell Nana group chat. No. And he realised that he had sent it to the wrong group and he was like, well, I don't know how to get rid of it. So he just turned his phone off and went to bed. LAUGHTER

The turning of the phone off is just like, well, if I can't see it, no one can see it. And we're all different time zones as well around Australia, so we all woke up to an interesting picture. Did you guys say anything to him? We were all just like, what?

whoa, dad. And he was like, well, whatever. He doesn't have any shame. He's like, well, then it's gone, whatever. Oh, my God. How do you even recover after seeing your dad's penis? I don't know. You can't unsee it. You can't. It's just embedded in our brain right now. This was like a few years ago and grandma didn't even die after. They gave her the will to live. She came back. She came back from the brink. Oh, my God.

Now it's just a hot topic of all family chat groups, family dinners, new partners meeting my dad. I'm like, yep. I don't know if it's worse if he just sent just a picture, a penis picture, or if it was a penis picture of his wife's lacy underwears. I don't know which verse. Paige, I reckon this is the funniest call we've ever had. It's so good. Oh, my God. It's the best. Well, our thoughts and prayers are with you and your grandma. Oh, my God. Thanks for the call, Paige.

Laws, you know I've got a pretty thick skin. I know it's serious when you call me Laws. Sometimes I do.

Sometimes I do call you lords when it's a more serious chat. This is going to be serious. All right. I'm glad we strapped in for it. Strapping. I'm a little bit exasperated and I just want to have a little vent for a minute. I've got a thick skin. Not a lot bothers me or gets under my skin, but I have just been getting the last couple of months, particularly so many messages and DMs and comments on Instagram about my relationship with my fiance, Ben.

So if you don't know, my fiance lives in another country. He lives in Italy. He has been living overseas since the day we met. Like we have never lived together. The most time we spend together is probably six weeks and we try to see each other every two months. And we've been together for two and a half years. So it's been quite a long time and we're getting married soon. He also plays football, which I think has a stereotype attached to it. So when I say football, I mean soccer.

But the number of messages I'm getting, especially since we're getting married in a few months, he had his bucks party recently of just people telling me constantly, it's never going to work. Your relationship's doomed before it's going to start. He's constantly cheating on me. Like this is what they're saying, of course, not what he's doing. You can't trust him. How are you going to marry someone that you're not going to live with? How are you going to marry and then be apart again? Like why are you doing it? Just so down, down, down, down, cheating, cheating, negative. It's over. And I'm just over it.

Yes, I agree. My relationship is very different. It is not a normal mainstream relationship. But why is that an issue for so many people? But these messages come from people who you don't know and who don't know your relationship. These are from strangers on the internet. Yeah, it's not you. I haven't been like, he's cheating on you. I don't have a burner account, everyone. It's not me. No, the thing is, is I think people comment negatively because

when they see something that they can't understand because it wouldn't work for them or because they've had a horrible experience themselves. Maybe they've been cheated on. Maybe they have trust issues. Maybe every relationship they've been in has ended in a way that all they can fathom is that surely that this is not something that could work out. Do you know what I mean? Like they can't rationalize it. And I think it's also part and parcel when you're

when you have a public Instagram, we talk about the intricacies of our life a lot. And then you open it up to people's public opinions around it. I'm not saying that those opinions are warranted. And I'm not saying that they're allowed. Like it's so unnecessary and deeply hurtful. But I think that that's why people think that they have an allowance to do it. That's why I think people go, oh, I'm just one person. Like it's not going to affect them. I don't know. I don't know why people think that that's something that they should be okay with saying.

Especially when it's like I come from a relationship of like pretty horrific, like a past of pretty horrific cheating. I was once with someone for quite a few years who had a double life. He was marrying someone else simultaneously. Obviously, I didn't know that at the time. But when you come from a bit of a background of cheating…

And I don't have trust issues moving forward. Which is crazy. Like it is crazy that you have that track record of relationships and you've been able to go into a long distance relationship with like, yeah, I feel secure. But also I think it comes down to the relationship. Like I know the two of you well and I see how you communicate and I see how much effort the two of you put into making sure that when you have free time, it's spent together. Yeah, you should see our phone bill. Yeah.

I should see your travel bill. It's even worse. Yeah, it's way worse. But, you know, I mean, I experienced a version of this. I remember when Matt and I met and we hadn't been together for that long when I got pregnant with my first, our first baby. It's his two. Marley. And we weren't engaged and we'd only just been living together for a little while. And there were loads of people online who couldn't fathom that our relationship would work out. And we're always like, you know, I'd get messages which was like, give it a year. Shut up, Brad. Literally.

Literally, Margaret. Like I reckon I would have received one of those sorts of messages a day. And now we're eight years down the track, got another kid and like life is great. But I think people are negatively geared when they are unhappy in their own lives. I think that's what it's a reflection of. Also, I'm getting married. Let me be happy. Let me be ecstatic.

Like, I don't want to wake up every single day and have someone saying, hey, just so you know, he's cheating on you. For sure. You're a moron if you think he's not doing the dirty. I'm like, if you knew my fiance, he's at home watching cooking shows. I

I have his location. His favourite pastime is cooking shows. I can see everything he watches. We share a Netflix account. I don't know if that's legal. There's this very funny Instagram trend that was going around or TikTok trend that was going around, which was like how I know my husband won't cheat on me. And it's just a whole heap of men like playing World of Warcraft. It's what it is. Being at home doing knitting activities and stuff. Like that's Ben, but he's his cooking shows. A hundred percent. Anyway, I just wanted to have a rant. I'm like, just let me live.

We've been talking about a bit of a contentious subject, I would say, here in the break at the pickup. Manifestation, that idea of like putting out to the universe what you want and it bringing you everything that you need and everything you desire. I personally believe in manifestation. And Laura, you sort of...

Call bullshit on it when I talk about it. I don't call bullshit on it. I just don't, I don't necessarily believe that like thinking good things will make good things happen. And I've watched The Secret, I've read the book and like, I don't know if you guys know what I'm talking about, but The Secret is like the, there was a very big book and TV series that came out or it was like one episode that came out quite a few years ago, all around manifesting. And the essence of that was kind of like through

think good things and good things will happen. Think about money raining down on you and you'll get really wealthy. And I was just, for me, it's just too simple. That's not what manifestation is. Okay. Well then I've been doing it wrong. Just so you know. Why is the money not raining down on me? That explains a lot. That checks out. Let me give you, this is not an example of manifestation, but this is what started the conversation. The idea of sometimes willing something into the universe, but it doesn't always have to be positive. It can be something that you've thought about or been talking about or

or putting that energy out so many times. So it can be negative. But the other day when, if you've been following along, my dog Delilah got really, really sick. But that morning.

to work with a work colleague we were talking about the fact I was like do you know what's crazy because we're talking about dogs and animals and her pet dog when she was a kid and I said you know what's crazy I was like my dog Delilah she's four years old I said she has never been sick I have never had to take her to the vet she's never had anything wrong with her she's been the perfect dog and my friend was like yeah that's amazing then I got home from work that day and

And Delilah, I've never seen her more sick in my life. That's not manifesting. That's a coincidence. It's not, but it is a form of willing something into the universe and it's not manifesting, but it started the conversation. The idea of like talking about something so crazy and then it happens. And then, Producer Gracie, you were saying you did something crazy the other day too. Yeah, literally yesterday I was talking to someone in the office. I was like, I've never been asked to do jury duty and I'd kind of love to do it. And then I got home that day to a letter saying,

telling me that I'm officially on the jury duty role. Crazy. Hey, everyone, I'd really like to win the lotto. It doesn't work like that. I just...

To me, I understand what you're saying and I understand that there's situations where people are like, don't jinx it, don't say that or it might happen. Yeah, personal jinx. But I think that this is a coincidence more so with those sorts of situations. I know that it's very unlikely. The likelihood of that happening might be one in a bazillion. However, like horrible coincidences and great coincidences happen all the time. Like so I just kind of think that sometimes we look for things that validate and like reinforce this idea that we have more control than we do. So you don't think you can speak something into existence? No.

No. Okay. I did a proper manifestation course years ago. I spent some time with a monk, learnt so much stuff. Then I started…

actually putting it into practice years ago and I don't do it so much anymore. Oh, actually, that's a lie. I did it with my fiance's latest job. I wrote down exactly what I wanted, which football team I wanted him to move to and he moved there. Anyway, let's backtrack. I'm getting very excited. I believe I manifested my fiance, Ben. I was single for the best part of eight to 10 years, right? Obviously, I was dating sporadically, but I didn't have a serious relationship for the best part of a decade.

And I always used to think about what I wanted. And when I did this manifestation course, I wrote down in my notes because a big part of it is it's not just writing down what you want, but it's then consciously thinking it. You still work towards it. It's the putting what you want into existence. Like you still have to work and put effort in. This is the thing that I think is...

is the very clear determiner of like, when you say you can't speak things into existence, I don't think you can speak things into existence. I think you can have an intention, you can write that intention down, and then you can focus all your goals to align to that intention. But that to me is not just like spontaneously going, I want to go on a holiday

holiday to the Maldives and then all of a sudden you win one and you're there. Like, I don't think that that's what happens. Well, I wrote down... I think you've got to book the ticket yourself and then get your ass to the Maldives and then wow, that's a coincidence. I wrote down years ago when I was thinking about what partner I wanted. So I wrote down all the things I wanted in a partner and you're supposed to address the universe. You say, dear universe, you're supposed to say it like you've got it. So you say, thank you for giving me

a loving, trusting, beautiful partner. Like you say it like it's already here and you're thanking them. This is what the rules of manifestation are. And I wrote this big thing about this amazing partner. And then at the end I wrote, and I don't know why I wrote this, but I found this like a year ago. I wrote, thank you for giving me my partner B.

Because your name's Brittany. No. Did you just write your initial? No. My partner, I put the B for his name and I don't know why and I don't know where, but I just put a B. I forgot I even wrote it and I just found it when I was going back looking at manifestation notes and I was like, my fiance's name is Ben. I manifested Ben years ago. I don't care what anyone says. That was the manifestation. I am, this hasn't convinced me. I'm sorry.

You just said you sort of thought you manifested your fiancé. Maddie J, your husband. Yeah, but different to that though. When I say, and I don't mean manifested in the way of like thinking it and then it happened. You guys know we had a moment where we met prior. So we had like a real moment of chemistry prior to being on The Bachelor. Yeah.

And then I think it was a massive coincidence that he was there and that he was the person who was the bachelor. But I think it was like the fact that I was in there, that I was like very intended and staying, that I very much in my head was like, I'm going to end up with this person. That would be my definition of saying, okay, I manifested that in happening. But in the same way, I'm like, is it or isn't it? I just like, I set my eyes on a goal and I achieved my goal. Like,

And in that case, the goal was my husband and here we are. I don't know. You're a cynic. I think I am. I think I am. A pessimistic cynic. It's not to say that I'm not.

and can't be positive about these things. And I'm sure that there are so many people who have really incredibly positive manifestation stories. I think the reason why I feel so unsure about it is because there's so many people who have really challenging lives and really horrible things happen. And I don't think that those things happen because they're not good enough at manifesting themselves out of it. Of course not. So that's why I kind of, it's not a good enough solution for me, if that makes sense. Well, it's not my solution for world peace. That's not what the conversation is here today. Yeah.

Anyway. But I'm glad I took that too deep. But I'm glad I took that seriously. Do you know what it is? This is what I will say because I know there'll be people in the car listening being like, this is a crazy conversation. For sure it is crazy and it's definitely not like I want to be rich and I want it to come. But it's the idea of once you think something into existence, like you write it down, then you tend to think about it more. You look at it every day. It's in your mind. And then you start to focus on opportunities more that might put you in the right direction. So it's definitely a flow on effect. It's a fancy way of having goals, I think. Yeah.