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This episode was recorded on Camaragal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany. And I'm Laura. And wait, I really want to know who actually set their alarm to 5am this morning. Not me!

We did say, if you listen to Ask Uncut, we did breadcrumb that we have some big news on today's episode. And so we told you to set your allowance to 5am. And there were, look, the debate entered the chat as to whether a 5am or a 6am release was a good idea. And a lot of you think 5am is the way to go. So it's the new lay of the land, everyone. Yeah, I will say message received. Okay, 5am is the new time. We did not get a single message of

Someone saying, no, I prefer it released at six. We did get many saying, please release it at five o'clock. Okay, so we do have some big news today to share. And if you want to speculate, like now's your time, speculate. You probably got about 15 minutes before we tell you what that news is. There already has been a lot of speculation. What have some of them been? A lot of people think that I'm already married.

Yeah, a lot of people think that I got married secretly, which I understand why. Can I say not one person messaged me as speculation? Everyone messaged you or messaged Life Uncut, but no one speculated about me. Yep. They're like, Laura's a hot mess. Yeah.

That bitch has got nothing going on. There were some tour speculations. Actually, I got a merch one. Yeah, merch speculations. All things that we should have done. Yeah, but unfortunately not. There were some speculations that I wasn't coming back from Italy. I got that. I got that I was one-way ticket. I wouldn't do that to you guys. I wouldn't be like, mate. You will get some warning. I don't doubt that it's going to happen though soon. I do understand why the speculation came that I was married. Firstly, I was trialing like...

what size wedding ring I wanted. So I was putting different bands on my engagement finger to see like what would fit and what looks good. And I was practicing and I forgot to take them off for a while. And some of you like hawk eyes saw that I had another ring on. So I understand why it does look like I was wearing a wedding ring. Also Ben's photos were inverted. You know how if you can take a photo, sometimes it flips it.

So Ben wears a ring on his right hand, but it made it look like he had it on his left. So it did look like we ran away and eloped. Guys, we have a podcast. We would share with you everything. We don't keep any of our personal lives to ourselves. Also, my wedding is not a secret. Britt is not getting married without us telling you every single detail at some point. We're not going to tell you live because, you know.

no there's got to be some secrets just but they're always delayed secrets we tell you very soon but they're the speculations so we are going to tell you in what do you reckon 20 minutes well I don't know we're like who knows just keep listening guys did you not get one speculation nothing about me nothing people are like no no what are they going to speculate about people like Lola slept through the night she slept in her own bed the Dudley fairy came back well the only

The only speculation I received was because I went to a wedding in New Zealand over the weekend and I got messages asking where Delilah was if both of us were away. I get that a lot too. That's the only speculation I received. I don't even think that's speculation. That's just pure concern. People are like, Delilah's only two mums in the world have left the country. I'll put your minds at ease. She was with my mum and then came and picked her up. That was the only kind of, yeah, I got nothing as well. Are we the boring ones of this? Everyone

just expects everything exciting to come from Brit. I think that we're the predictable ones. That's the problem. Although you shouldn't be. I'm pretty impulsive. Should we talk about the elephant in the room? Yeah. Okay. So look, before we do get to the big news we want to talk about, the toupee has taken over. You all know about the clip-in fringe. Keisha is a big fan of the clip-in fringe. She vibed it on Vibes and Unsubscribe. She wears it often. And it is like, it's kind of like

flirting with the person that you think you want to be, but you don't want to commit. So every so often Keish comes in and it's a clip-in fringe day. It's really good if your hair is dirty. It's really good if, like me, I get Botox and I haven't had it for like six or seven months. It covers the forehead. I just feel as though I feel a lot more creative and I kind of feel a bit more artsy. I feel artsy. Yeah. So we walk in today into the studio.

And there is Brittany Hockley. First proper record back from holidays in Italy wearing a lovely red top, which does look very Italian. You could be in Positano right now with the most aggressive toupee clip-in fringe you have seen. And it looks great. Stop calling it a toupee. It's a wispy fringe. You're making me feel like Donald Trump. It's not a toupee. She's also orange. Sorry.

Am not. Got no sun in Italy. Okay, so when Keisha got her fringe, we all actually got a fringe. Laura, shock, I think left hers on the top of her car and it flew off on the Harbour Bridge. No, no, let me tell you, Keisha. Ness is in the corner laughing. She knows it's true. Everything ends up on your car flying off. Do you know what actually happened? Keisha handed me the clip-in fringe. And like the reason why I'll never do a clip-in fringe is because like in the morning,

I have a shower, I get ready for work and I do one hairstyle, which is slicked back. I was going to say you with a slick back and the fringe would not work. That's it. That's all I do. So like the effort that I would have to do to make sure that I had dried, neat hair in order to do the fringe is a level of effort I don't have and can't comprehend. But Keisha gave me the fringe. I put it in the door of my car. That was eight months ago. It is still in the door of my car. Oh my God.

And Keisha gave me my fringe when I had orange hair. So I was never able to wear it. So I've gone back now and I finally wore it. Can I tell you how upset I was? I had big plans for this fringe. This fringe was going on an Italian tour. And I got there on day one in Milan and I was like, oh, the fringe screams Milan. Forgot it. Forgot to pack my fringe to Italy. And I was so, it wasn't rational how upset I was. I was so upset to Ben. Ben was like, what's wrong? I was like, I forgot my fringe. He was like, thank fuck. Yeah.

He hates it. It is, yeah. If you've ever been through a breakup and considered cutting a fringe, which I think every single person has done, I have done it. I've done it. I love the fringe, but you usually only love it for like a couple of weeks and then it goes through that awkward growing out stage.

There is a company, we'll tag it because like I said, Keisha's vibed it before, who make these great clip-in fringes. I am yet to be converted and I do feel like this is going to be the time when I was coming to the studio wearing Crocs and you guys were all like, you're a loser. And then within six months you were all wearing Crocs. So I know that in six months' time I'm going to come in with a fringe and I'll eat my own shit. Yeah.

But that is why it is so good because you're not stuck with it. I could not have a fringe by the end of this episode. Look, this is our first episode back since being on break and Brit, you have been in Italy, updates. You've also been trying to learn your wedding dance. There's a lot been going on in your life. Do you know, this is so unusual and I,

It's only relatable to people that are in a long-distance relationship or maybe, yeah, their partners might work away or you're in like the flying flight, whatever it is. Yeah. But every single time I go to see Ben, and to be fair, this was the longest time apart. So we hadn't seen each other since Christmas basically, like the first week of January. And I genuinely, like we talk every day on FaceTime, but if you think of FaceTime, you hold a phone up and you see their face and

I forget what he looks like every time I see him. From the neck down. Yeah, I'm shocked every time. Like, I'm literally taken aback. I get out of the car and I'm like, oh my god, I forget what you look like. I forget how tall you are. I forget how you feel. I forget, like, it's like rediscovering each other again every time. I'm not

mad about it, but it always takes me by surprise where I'm like, oh, that's right. Like you're a real human that I can touch because I feel like I'm in a relationship with an AI robot half the time. But he's changed. Like it's really weird. I think when you're seeing someone every day, you don't notice changes. Totally. Yeah. So he plays for this new team in Italy now. And for anyone that doesn't know football, the team he's in now or the league he's in is like one of the best leagues in the world. It is so professional and so amazing.

I don't know if strict's a word, but it's just different to anything he's ever done. So the training is so intense. And the stakes are higher. So serious. Yeah. And so he trains so much more than ever. And he's always been very dedicated. But you should see the Kardashian booty on this guy. I have never seen a squat booty because he has to work out so much. He got a BBL as well.

Bro, it's all I could look at. I was like, let me feel that. And it was like I could put a drink on it. He's got this huge muscly bubble butt thing. And I'm like, I love what is happening. But it's just such a weird concept to –

I don't know how to explain it. I don't know if I'm explaining it right. But to look at someone that you are, I'm getting married to him. Like I love him and I'm rediscovering him every time. You literally walked in and said, Ben has a massive ass. You're like, he's got a huge butt. It is. You're like, and in the best possible way. No, it's great. I don't know where it came from. Should we get Ben to do that photo shoot that Kim Kardashian did with the champagne glass on his butt?

You know how it's like squirting over her hair. Kim Kardashian's such a chameleon though. Like going from having like, you know, a little butt shelf to having no butt. And I feel like it just happened so rapidly. To be fair. And in reverse. I don't reckon that that photo of her with the champagne on the butt, that has to have been like enhanced. Oh, it was. Of course. Everything they do is enhanced. It was. They are enhanced. That was unpacked in 2020. Yeah.

Okay. Moving forward. Well, I didn't want to call someone out without knowing for sure. That's how I am, you know. Brittany's really abreast of all the pop culture here. Defamation laws in Australia are really strict. So strict. Brittany just wanted to absolutely make sure. Allegedly, Kim Kardashian's butt in that photo was enhanced. Do you like the dump truck ass? No, yeah. We had amazing sex. That wasn't the question. Okay.

I think everyone thinks that when you're in a long-distance relationship, that when you see each other again, that it's just like intense, so much sex every single day. It's absolutely not. Like the first two days are fire flame. But you just go back to normal sex like every couple of days because it's normal life, right? Like you're tired, you're jet lagged, you're training. But the first sex was intense.

reminiscent of the first time we ever met you know how I said it was like Hollywood movie sex on our first night stand it was like picking up I had somewhere to see it because I'm his butt like he was putting on his shelf but it was it was really really nice and it was special because we got to spend it with Sherry and Jay and baby Maya came over and so we had like a really nice little family reunion it was cool it's so much nicer to visit now than Romania yeah like when I was in Romania I

it was really hard because I didn't feel like I could walk around by myself when Ben's away or working. I didn't feel safe a lot of the time. And in Italy, it was just different. I was very comfortable exploring on my own and just going to restaurants and cafes on my own and doing things like that. So yeah,

I hope he stays there more long term. I could see myself there more than I could see myself in Romania. Like I was never going to live with Dracula ever. What happens with his contracts now? So he is obviously on a short term contract in Italy. When is the contract period and what is the hopes? Is it so that next year he gets a long term one and is based in Italy? Yeah, so the decision basically will be this June, July.

So that's when every transfer window for every footballer is. And that is when he will hopefully sign, hopefully a long-term contract where he is. But if not, wherever he goes will be the next big contract. So that is the decision where,

We both want to make sure that I could be happy to be there. Because obviously, hopefully we'll have a family in the coming years. And I want to make sure that it's somewhere that I would want to be. But also, he's not going to sign somewhere like, for example, Romania, where it's a place that you didn't feel as though it could be home for you as well. Yeah. It's a joint decision this time. Yeah. Obviously, it's what's best for his career. Like, his career is important. But for me, it's not.

family is important as well. And you feeling safe as well? Feeling safe, wanting to visit, you know, it's obviously an expensive relationship. I don't want to have to travel the whole time. Like we want to spend more time together and less time traveling. So where he moves is like the biggest decision we will make.

Yeah, so this is a really big year for us. Big decisions. Obviously getting married, choosing what last name I'm going to have and choosing where Ben's going to spend the next couple of years. What have you guys been up to? That's very exciting. I went to New Zealand over our little break for one of my, actually two of my wonderful friends' weddings. We went and spent some time in Queenstown and in Wanaka. But I want to ask you guys because something happened on our way to the airport and I think it was one of those moments where I had that realisation. You know how...

With a lot of things, it's like one person in the relationship is A and the other person in the relationship is B and they always end up together. I have never had content blow up in the same way. So Matt and I made a reel quite a while ago and it was like the two types of people when it comes to a dishwasher. So the people who like stack a dishwasher perfectly, which is Matt, like Matt does the dishwasher like it's a game of Tetris. Yeah. It is immaculate. Scandinavian architecture.

Yeah, and then there's me and I just kind of throw it all in and it gets washed. Every so often there's a bowl flipped up the wrong way, you just tip that one out, put it in the next cycle. I'm a thrower too. And Vanessa, Vanessa who is our video editor, who also was my housemate for many years, is looking at me like, you fuckhead. You haven't changed. She is looking at me like, I hate you and I hated living with you. The amount of passive aggressive text I would receive. Yeah.

No, but it's true. Hey guys, watch who packed the dishwasher today, Laura. But if it was somebody, Laura. Do you know there was this one time when Ness just collected all of the empty toilet paper rolls that were in the bathroom and put them in my bed, I think. Guys, the number of times. That's not even passive aggressive. That's full out aggressive and I love it. No, when I go to Laura's house still now, I have to bring my own toilet paper because you will go into the toilet. There's never toilet paper now.

There is never toilet paper. Anyway, I'm like, how is there a house of five people here? What are you wiping your butts with? No, do you know why? Because there is toilet paper. It's just in the cupboard. But we have two kids and also Matt. So, like, none of them replace the roll when the roll gets empty. So it's not until you're sitting on the toilet. No, I do. I just don't go as often as they seem to. But it's not until I am sitting on the toilet and I'm like,

There's no toilet paper here. I will shuffle across and go and get a roll. But the problem is, is I never take the cardboard empty roll off into the bin. I just kind of put it on the floor and then put the other one on. So look, I am part of the problem. I'm well aware. But anyway, there's two types of people, people who do things correctly and people who don't. And I fall into the don't.

I think I fall into the don't in most things, although I do replace a toilet roll. But for us, it was Anzac Day. So it was Friday morning and our flight was the really early one. So 6.15 was the time it took off. Check-in closes at 5.15, right?

So we had a conversation the night before and it was the whole like, what time do we need to set the alarm? Yeah. How long do we need to get there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. International flight. And I was like, look, we don't live that far from the airport. You know, it's so early in the morning. There's not going to be traffic. The airport won't be busy. It'll be fine. I give myself just enough time, like not a minute more than what I think. Because I value sleep and I want as much sleep as I possibly can get. So Friday morning comes around. The alarm goes off at four. We get up, quick shower, get dressed, go to bed.

Go to order the Uber. It's Anzac Day. There's no Ubers. There weren't as many Ubers as I was expecting because people were getting them to Dawn Services.

So I was like, oh, okay, that's slightly concerning. Anyway, as the time's ticking along and we're still waiting, you know, trying to connect you to a driver, trying to connect you, my boyfriend was getting more and more and more stressed. We eventually get an Uber. We get to the airport. He is at the point where he is like heart palpitations. I can see the vein in his neck start pulsing. Like he's really starting to freak out that we are not going to make check-in.

And I've realized over the course of time that I am the worst person in these situations because I'm

Not only do I keep on pushing it further and further and further to the deadline of this is check-in, I keep on having things happen where it reinforces that it's actually a fantastic thing to do. Because when we got to the airport, we had about probably 10 minutes until check-in was properly going to close. And he was like, what happens if there's a line? You know, what happens if there's all these other people, blah, blah, blah. He was flustered.

freaking out. We get there. We did not have to wait for a single person. So we just walked straight up to the counter. It was the quickest check-in I have ever had. It was the quickest run through security. We got to the gate. You know what happened as soon as we got to the gate? They said,

boarding is about to start. If you are in rows 1 to 15, can you please come to the front of the plane? And I looked at him and I just went, you can't risk that though. That's the problem. You can. So my question is, before an international flight, are you the person who turns up three hours before or are you the person who turns up

With five minutes to go to check in until you will not be allowed to board the plane anymore. I think the problem is, though, it depends on if you're travelling with someone else because it's okay to do it to yourself. I am also you, Keish. I am a last-minute galley and I'm sure that comes... The person who's not replacing the toilet paper roll is also not getting to the airport on time. But I'm like...

So long as I'm there just before boarding for a domestic, so long as I'm there just before boarding of an international, fine. But my mum drilled into me as a kid. Three hours. Mate, she was like four hours. We would be there before check-in even opened just to wait at the airport. So you've got to think when we grew up it was different because you didn't have as quick an entry into everything. The lineups were longer. The systems weren't as quick. So you would get there three hours before and you needed those three hours. But I'm like a mix now. I'm both.

I will turn up with enough time, but I'll still be the person that gets called on the overhead. So I'll be there for two hours sitting there at a cafe and then I just lose track of the time and then they're like final call Brittany. So I've been there with all the time in the world and I'm like, what? Like the number of times Sherry and I have done that where we've been like,

Sipping on a cafe, reading a book, like just chilling out with so much time. And then we get a final call and we are running through the airport. But do you think that couples, like, do you think that one of you is one way and the other is the other way and it always causes conflict? I actually think that most of the time we're attracted to people who have those slightly different traits to us. Like Matt is the organized one in our relationship and I am the chaotic one. But you kind of can't have two chaotic people in a relationship together or shit just constantly goes wrong. Yeah.

And I think that that is kind of a relatively normal relationship dynamic. It's not because I actually don't necessarily agree with the whole opposites attract, but I think we have complementary behaviours. Like you might have someone who's a little bit more risk-taking, a little bit more extroverted, and those qualities work together. Yeah, Matt is the admin person in our household and I am the like, woo, tell me where to be and I'll be there, but I'll bring a good time. There was one time actually, and I was just thinking when we were kind of –

We went through a couple of minutes where he was a bit pissed off with me, where he was like, I know that it's worked out this time, but there will be a time that it doesn't work out. And that smug little smile on your face is going to vanish. The day will come where you'll miss a plane. Yeah, I've missed a plane. The problem is, is I once dated a guy who also was the type of person who was just shrouded in chaos. And he would also push things to the very nth degree. And we had a transfer to get from LAX back to Sydney. And we missed our flight because we were both disorganized.

And the solution to that was that we stayed in LA for two days and we went to Disneyland. So actually it worked out fine. Fantastic solution. It was fine. This is all a big plot. All right, everybody. The time has come. So now I'm worried that people are going to be disappointed when so many people ask for live shows and merch. It's not actually podcast related. No. All right. We already have merch. It's still on the website. Yeah, but it's not new merch, you know. And also it's not like new live shows, which I know we –

Look, guys, we were planning them and maybe there's a spanner. So we'll see. Yeah, we did have big plans for the live show. All right, let's put this to bed. I, in fact, can confirm I am not secretly married. Not yet. No. I can confirm that Britt and I are not entering a romantic relationship. I can also confirm that.

What else can we not confirm or confirm that it's not happening? Live shows. Live shows, merch. I didn't secretly move to Italy. I'm back. Was there anything else that came through? I haven't stolen Delilah and made her go through a forced custody arrangement. And the dummy fairy did come and it hasn't worked out as well as I thought it would. So like that's also not the big news. All right, let's put everything.

out of their misery. But the big news is, so you guys know that Matt and I have been talking a lot about whether or not we were going to have baby number three. Just say it! And it turns out we're having baby number three. Oh my god, it didn't work! Shake, shake, shake! We have giant bottles full of babies. I'm pregnant, guys. Yay! Yay!

I am very insane. And it turns out that for a very short period, Matt and I got on the same page about whether we wanted. Oh, my God. It's like you miss well. We've put a sash on you. It says mama to be. For the third time. For the third time. Yeah, congratulations. Thanks, guys. I can't believe no one guessed that. No one speculated that. Well, I think no.

Hold your bottle. I think people do consider whether or not you're insane enough to have a third child. Like the reaction to number three is not the same to number one and number two. Number one and number two, people are thrilled. Number three, people are confused. And that seems to be the overwhelming reaction from everyone.

No one's going to shock people the most. It's probably not that you're pregnant, but now tell people how far along you are. So I'm 18 weeks pregnant, everybody. So far. Even Matt, we were talking about it and even he was shocked because he thought it was 13 weeks. But yeah. Like you're nearly five months. I'm 18 weeks. Well, no, because it kind

it's always interesting with pregnancy because you think four weeks is a month, but actually it's not. So like I'm 18 weeks, I'm, you know, two weeks shy of halfway, but yeah, I've been keeping a little secret for quite some time. You've actually done really well, but you've, I think, I haven't been able to tell. It looks like you've had a big pasta until probably like the last two to three weeks. You've really popped. Well, also, I mean, look,

You don't want to hold your baby bottle. Sorry, for everyone, that was a lot. For anyone who wasn't watching this on YouTube or on socials, that was probably audibly very hectic. Keisha organized plastic bottles that are full of tiny plastic babies. And it was, yeah, it's not the best for audio. And also party poppers, which were great. Mind you,

go off but we've used these party poppers before and statistically only 50% of them work I'm a bit disappointed in the party popper to be honest it was great but not disappointed in the news I'm so excited about the news yeah and I would love for you to share like how did you and Matt kind of come to the decision to have the third how did you tell him so I mean I feel like I've talked about a little bit at the beginning of the year Matt and I were not on the same page

He went through a period where he wanted to have a third. Then he decided he didn't want to have a third anymore. And then it was like when he made the decision he didn't want to, I changed my mind and I wanted to. So toxic. So toxic. It was like when he took it away from me, I wanted it back. Yeah, it's giving back into the back.

And then we did this dance for a while where like I wanted it, he didn't, then he wanted it, then I didn't. And I kind of put it down to any time I was ovulating, I was like, baby. And then I would not be ovulating. I'd be like, that's a terrible idea. Anyway, there was a very small window where we were both on the same thing. Yeah. And what window was that? It didn't help. So Christmas, it was Christmas time. Obviously it's a Christmas miracle. And

And Matt and I, obviously for a couple of weeks, we were on the same page and it was, it was a really small window. But the thing that's even funnier is I've actually known for a really long time. I found out very early on with this pregnancy. It wasn't because I had any pregnancy symptoms, but it was because one of my friends had made a comment that made me think, oh, maybe I'll just do a pregnancy test and

So you guys all know that Matt went and he was in the jungle and he was doing I'm a Celebrity. So he had just left and it was two days after his phone had been taken away from him and he was non-contactable. I don't even know if you guys know this, actually. I don't think I've told you. I don't think I know this. I don't think I told you the specifics. So he'd had his phone taken off him. Two days I'd been without being able to contact him and I wasn't able to contact him the entire time that he was in the jungle.

So one of my girlfriends was like, wouldn't it be funny if you found out you were pregnant when he's in there? She didn't really know that we were trying. And I was like, oh, that's actually a possibility. And I went and bought a full pack of pregnancy tests. And I went home and my sister-in-law, Kate, and my mother-in-law were downstairs taking care of the kids. We were going to have dinner together. And I just,

so casually and so confidently that I wasn't pregnant, walked up to the bathroom, peed on a stick like there was no consequences to my actions. And then I sat there and I was like doing something. And then I looked at the stick and I was like, is that a line? And I was like, that's true. Is that a line? And I walked downstairs and I just said to Kate and to Ellie, I was like, guys, sorry to interrupt you. Can I just get your eyes on something? Do you think

this a double line to Matt's sister and mum? And they were like, yeah. And they both were a bit beside themselves. And then we just had to have dinner that night. Like everything was normal. Just the gals. Just the gals. And then I wasn't able to tell Matt for ages. So the whole time he was in the jungle, I wasn't able to tell him. And then it was really tricky because I

I didn't want to tell him when it was the finale. I didn't want to tell him as soon as the show, because I don't know if you guys remember, but the show wasn't filmed live this year. So we were over there. We did the finale over there. Maybe it now makes sense as to why I so desperately wanted his business class seat. I was first trimester vomiting most days and traveling with the two girls by myself. Fuck that. So I was really struggling. To Africa. Yeah, I took the kids to Africa first trimester. Woo! Don't recommend it.

But I didn't want to tell him there. And then when we came back, we had to wait for the finale because it hadn't aired on TV yet. And I didn't want to tell him until after all of the excitement and all of the kind of craziness of I'm a Celebrity had ended. I didn't want to...

A couple of reasons. I didn't want to take away from an experience that he was having and kind of like experience top it with another thing. And I also wanted him to have some time to process what a huge thing he'd just been through. So I didn't really know what was the right time to tell him. He waited so long. I waited so long. He was mad at me. You're making it sound like you're like, I'll give him a couple of days after finale. Tell everyone how long you waited. So I knew for, I knew.

I knew for two and a half months before I told Matt that I was pregnant. Can you deal? Hang on, how long did you wait from him coming out to you? Because a lot of that was out of your control. About a fortnight, maybe, yeah, about a fortnight until I told him that I was pregnant. But it was tricky because...

He was not himself and he was having a bit of a hard time post-jungle and he wasn't very happy. I actually confirmed that. We all saw Matt and he just didn't seem himself for a little bit. Yeah, he was stressed and he was distracted. And I think anyone who's ever done a big experience like that, when you've put so much mental energy into one thing, you come out of it and you just spend all your time still thinking about the experience. And so I could tell that, yes, he was physically here, but his brain was still in the jungle. That's all he was thinking about.

So I was like, I just kind of want to give it some space between when that experience ended and like telling him something that I don't know how he's going to react to because I knew he was going to be really excited about baby number one and baby number two, like Lola and Marley. But then I kind of was a bit worried that maybe because we had fluctuated so much on our plans as to whether we were going to or not going to. I was worried that he was at a point where it wasn't what he wanted. And so the reaction wasn't going to be as excited. Well, didn't he?

I don't know what words in your mouth, but just from what you've said, didn't something happen just before you told him where he was like, hey, thank God we decided not to have a baby?

So it was only a couple of days after like it had finished in Africa and Matt said, so I take it you're not pregnant. And that was how he framed it. And because I wanted to tell him in a way that was like a nice surprise or like tell him in a way that felt a bit more sentimental, I didn't know how to respond to it. And so obviously I lied and I was like, oh, I was like, yeah, I mean, obviously. And then I doubled down really hard and I was like, because I've been thinking maybe it's not a great idea. I don't know.

She was trying to throw him off the scent. It just came out. And then he was like, yeah, I've also been thinking maybe it's not a good idea. And I was like, fuck, okay, now what do I do? So that's why I had to wait a while because I was like, I've got to try and tell him it was a good idea and get him back on board. So anyway, it was like a couple of weeks passed. By then, obviously, like his mum and his sister were both like, you have to tell Matt.

And my sister also knew. So there were a couple of people in our immediate family that knew before him. And I ordered these scratchies online from Amazon. So I don't know if anyone's ever seen them. They're a gender reveal scratchy. Sorry, this is really uncomfortable. But your sash looks so good. My paper sash. Rattle the baby bottle.

So I bought these scratchies online and they're $100,000 scratchies. And one of the icons, you've got to scratch every single icon. And one of the icons says we're having a baby once you get to the icon. So how many icons are there? The problem is, is I bought the wrong one.

He thought he got a hundred grand. Well, there are some Scratchies on Amazon that are really good where you scratch them and it's just one big icon that says we're having a baby. This one was like 30 icons and you had to go looking for the we're having a baby one. And Matt has a very short attention span. So he got three quarters of the way through it and he's like, this is the fucking worst Scratchie. Threw it away. And I was like, babe, it could be a hundred thousand dollars. Keep going.

I was like, persevere, keep scratching, keep scratching. And so that went on for a good 10 minutes of me telling him to keep scratching. He was just getting increasingly frustrated. That's quite anticlimactic. Yeah. Eventually he saw the way having a baby. I'll post the video for you guys because he just looks confused. But luckily one of his best friends, Josh, who was also the groomsman at our wedding, he was standing right next to Matt. And so Matt

looks at it and he's like, what? And then you can tell that it's dawning on him that actually we're having a baby. Oh my God. And he hands it to Josh and Josh's reaction is the reaction that you would expect from the dad. So Josh was stoked and that was really nice. And then he's like, thank you Josh. Josh is the father now. Yeah. And so Josh and I having a baby. Yeah.

No, and Matt is actually so excited. I thought you were going to say, no, no, no, Matt is actually the father. And to be fair, I'm 90% sure he's also the father. No, he's the father. Do we need to do a paternity test? But the thing is, is like I think I just managed this in such a weird way and I think off the back of it being I'm a celebrity and everything, it was just such a fucking...

whirlwind of a time that I feel bad for him because I think that his reaction wasn't how he actually feels. He just kind of got set up for a bit of emotional whiplash. It is so funny when

And you have to, and I think this has happened to so many people, when you've had to tell a white lie and then you get stuck in it and you've had to double down, all of a sudden weeks later you've doubled down on this lie that like you're not pregnant when you're four months pregnant. It's such a weird thing to get stuck in where you're like, oh, I guess I've got to commit now. Why? I was like two and a half months pregnant. But yeah, yeah. So how does he feel now? He's really stoked. Yeah. He's really excited. But I don't know. I would love to know if anyone else who's had a third child felt like this. First child, obviously.

we were so excited about. Like Marley, we were so excited. There was no concept of... What's ahead? Yeah, I mean, we were definitely apprehensive and there was like, you know, anxieties and fears and all those normal feelings that surround pregnancy. But we were like just really excited about being parents and like this new experience and chapter that we're entering together. And then...

Lola, when I was pregnant with Lola, it was the same excitement because Marley was such an easy baby. We always call her our unicorn baby because she always lulled us into this false sense of how parenting is just so easy. And so I had the same level of excitement around the time that I was pregnant with Lola. But then Lola was like a really quite challenging baby, like that first six weeks, especially Lola.

I've spoken about it before, but I didn't get any sleep. I slept with her strapped to me. Like it was a really, really challenging time for me and it was a fucking wake-up call around how hard parenting can be. And so I feel like I'm going into this one with more metered excitement. Like it's excitement. You're more aware of what it could be. Yeah, but it's like cussed with realism, you know, and like a realistic perspective on parenting. And then I feel a little bit guilty because I'm like, well, am I supposed to have this like overwhelming, oh, my God,

God, the miracle of life. When actually I just kind of feel a bit more pragmatic about this pregnancy. It's a different feeling going from two to three. But I think that's normal because...

your experience is different now. Like when you're going to have your first child, you don't have any other stresses at home. Now you're going into a third child with lived experience of both of like an easy baby and a hard baby. You also know what it's like to not sleep. But now you're having a third baby with two other children that take your time. So I think it's probably normal for you to feel a bit of

I don't know if you're feeling anxiety. I don't know what you're feeling, but it's normal for it to be a different experience. It's like my rose colored glasses around motherhood have been lifted. And I think also because we're going from having a four and a five year old, no nappies, really self-sufficient, like are able to do so much for themselves. We have great conversations, you know, Lola's starting school next year. So like we're so out of the trenches of babydom. And you're going back. And now we're going all the way back. And yeah,

it's interesting because people like I said people react really differently about the third first and second everyone's super excited and third especially a lot of other mums their reaction is like you're fucking crazy I can't even comprehend having a third baby and I'm not saying it's not common loads of people have three kids but it's definitely not as common as what it used to be and I think that the perception is not the same and so people's reactions have been like oh my god

so exciting, but you're insane. And so that also kind of changes your, I don't know, it casts like a little bit of doubt around like, was this a good idea? Are we crazy? Do you feel bad about that though? Like, is there, I guess these conversations come up every time we talk about any expectation that tend to be put on women and it's like,

This is supposed to be this really overjoyed and just the only thing you're ever supposed to feel in this moment is elation and gratitude. And like, this is the best thing that ever could have happened. And I think that we've come a long way in kind of talking about, you know, we talk about things like gender disappointment now and like how sometimes when people have babies, they don't get that natural. And I'm putting that in quotation marks.

their connection with their baby for a couple of weeks or months and like it's just not exactly what they expected it to be. Is there a part of you that feels like, oh, I'm not feeling how I may be supposed to feel? Yeah, and I definitely have had a few conversations with girlfriends about it that I feel a bit guilty that I don't have the same excitement as what I had for baby number one and baby number two. And it's not because I'm not excited. Like I really don't want that to be misconstrued or for anyone to think that I'm not grateful. Like, of course,

I have all those feelings. But I have more apprehension about this one for some reason and I think it's just because I know what I'm in for. I know it's going to be hard. I've done it already and it's not that it's not joyous and all the other fucking amazing things that motherhood is, but having really little babies is really –

challenging and you give up a lot of yourself for that first year or two years, you know, to be there and to like just the constantness of carrying them around, of like constantly having to do everything for them because they can't do anything for themselves. There's so much joy in it, but it is a very selfless thing that you have to do. And, and I guess,

life has gotten easy over the past couple of years because we have moved out of those trenches and I see it getting easier and I see the kids autonomously playing together and, you know, we can sit down for dinner and talk to each other. And I know we're saying goodbye to all of those things that we've regained as a couple. And so part of me is a little bit like, oh,

Oh, my God. And it is interesting to me that people feel so okay with telling you that you're insane. Like, you know, it's very rare that no one's ever going to say to you when you have your first baby, you're crazy. But people are very, very happy to say it about the third child. And so I think other people's reactions to it have kind of made me be like, oh, that's an interesting – everything about this has felt different to one and two. Everything. I know loads of people –

Like loads of my friends have three kids. So I wouldn't let that bother you. I know loads of people who've had three kids too. It's not like, I'm not saying it's not common and I'm not saying that it's like so bizarre or weird, but I'm saying there's a lot of people that choose to not move beyond two.

I also wonder if it's because the gap between Marley and Lola is quite small and then the gap with this third baby is larger. And I kind of thought you'd put a bow on that and gone, yeah, this is our family. This is how it's going to be. Obviously, I've spoken with you a lot about you thinking about having a third for probably two years now. It's been a conversation. But I really would love to know how Lola and Marley may react. I waited pretty long to tell the girls for a couple of reasons. So I didn't want to tell them and have them telling everyone.

everyone like like how Marley did with I'm a celeb everyone so like the kids have no filter and they of course not you know they're so excited they're gonna go to school like Marley's been telling random people in the park actually she might even be listening there was a woman who was a lifer who I met down in Ulladulla we were at the park together and Marley just was like my mom's got a baby in her belly so my my friend came up to me last week I've told no one like I take this

you know, very seriously. My friend comes up to me and she goes, so I heard there's a baby. And I was like, sorry, what? Plain dumb. She's like, you know. And I was like, who? They were like, and I was like, how did you know? She goes, well,

my friend was at the park with her daughter and she's pregnant. Her friend's pregnant. And so her friend's daughter was just at the park to a random, which turns out to be Marley. And the little girl's like, my mummy has a baby in her belly. And Marley goes, so does my mum. And so that daughter went and told the random woman. The woman told my friend and my friend told me. And I was in the park at the time. And I remember this unfolding because this other pregnant lady turned around and she was like, oh

my god you're pregnant and I was like look if it was ever gonna get out to media I know the leak came from Molly May she was so excited she told she's a rat she literally called the Daily Mail and was like my mum's having a baby printed on page one that'll be 10k so it's also the

of thing you don't want to tell her that it's this big secret because you don't want to make her feel as though it's not something to be super excited about right that's a hard situation to navigate totally and and also so we told the girls you know Marley's a little bit older she's been saying for ages that she wants a baby sister like she's been wanting like another sibling Lola's not enough she's like I want a new one Lola return exchange

I knew that Lola wouldn't be excited. Like I knew that she wouldn't, her first reaction wouldn't be excitement because Lola's initial comprehension of being like, oh, mummy's having a baby is I have to share mummy. And I'm like her favourite person in the world. She doesn't want to share me with anyone. If I'm like cuddling Marley, if I'm cuddling dad, like whatever, she gets super jealous. So I am a bit worried about how she's going to be when the baby comes along, but I also think it's going to be good for her because, you know. It's like a dog wheel. I don't know how they're going to react. I don't know how she's going to, ooh.

Talk like a child. So this is us telling the girls. Hopefully you can hear the reaction from both. Guess what mummy and daddy have to tell you. What? You have to guess. You have to guess. I'm a monster truck. We're not getting a monster truck. Guess what we're going to get. Not getting a tree. Not getting a tree. Do you want to guess what we're going to get? We're not getting a table. We're not getting a table. Plastic. Plastic? Plastic.

What do you think we're getting, Molly? What do you think? A thumb! It's something very special. Something that you guys will get to give a cuddle to? No. A toy phone! Okay, I'll give you a clue. It's in Mummy's tummy. Yeah! Guess what? Oh, she said I'm getting out of here. I'm getting out of here, actually. I'm getting out of here. I'm done. And I got Mummy! Yay!

You're gonna be a big sister! I'm getting out of here actually. Lola, are you excited?

Oh, she actually left. She left the building. Lola said, I'm getting out of here, actually. And she stormed off. Oh, my God. She's proper upset. She's the funniest child I've ever met in my life. She's made, yeah, personality higher. I would really like to get a bracelet that says WWLD and it means what would Lola do? So. Same. That's our next merch. So I went upstairs to Lola afterwards. She was really upset. She went and had time out, locked herself in a room. And I went up and I opened the door and I sat down on the bed and I said,

What's going on? Are you okay? And she just started crying and she said, I don't want to share, mummy. She said, you're then going to love a little baby and you're not going to love me. And that was her instant reaction was around feeling as though I have to spread myself between both children, like more children. Three, there'll be three. Yeah, three children. Yeah.

How many kids do I have? That was really sweet. Like that was really hard. Has she come around now? She's completely come around so much so that I have one more bit of audio that I want to play you guys. So much so that like I found a video in my phone. So this is like a

fear of mine. My children watch me speak on Instagram and they will copy me. Obviously, they don't know what Instagram is. They have no understanding that the social media, but they think like mommy's talking to the phone, someone on the phone. So every so often Marley and Lola, they will take my phone, they will open the camera and they will video record themselves just chatting away about their day. It's like they're doing their own mini vlogs, but they don't go anywhere. Literally. So Lola was running around with my phone. I was like, okay, cute.

And so I opened my phone to watch this video that she'd gone and taken on her own. And this is what made me realise that everything is going to be okay. So, apart from the fact that my child wants to be on TikTok. I've got a baby in my mum's tummy and I'm so excited to get it out. So, so, so excited. How was your job? It was great. I love it. I'm so, so, so, so, so excited. So excited.

She sounds so African. Oh.

I'm having trouble following, but I got that she's excited. She's excited. There's a baby in my tummy. It's coming out today, but not really. It's coming out, but it's not yet. And it's gone. What I'm hearing is that there has been a shift and it's gone from not being excited to being very, very excited. The kids are so stoked. They're both really excited. Marley wants it to be a boy. Lola wants it to be a girl. Oh, so someone's going to be disappointed. Someone's going to be disappointed. But I kind of wanted to have, I mean, we'll talk about gender in a bit, but I really wanted to talk about sex.

The other thing that happens when you have three kids but you have two of the same gender is that everyone expects you're going for a third for a boy. So everyone who I've spoken to is like, oh, what do you want a boy? And that's been like the assumption. And I really want to say like, look, Matt and I are slightly different on it. I think Matt would like a boy. Like we've had conversations and I think if he had a preference, he would say a change of scenery would be nice. And I think he's always...

himself as having a boy. That's his version of fatherhood that he kind of pictured. However, for me, I do not care. Like I don't want to have a third child because I want a specific gender. I want a third child because I want to experience all of the incredible things that I've experienced with my kids and I feel as though we're moving out of those phases and I'll never get to have them again. Something just didn't feel complete for me. That's kind of my biggest fear is like I think that people think that if –

we were to have a girl as a third baby, there would be disappointment. And I want to say, like, for me, I could not care less. It probably has pros and cons as well because you've already got two girls, you know how it works, a third girl would fit into, you know,

the sisterhood and it's five years different. So I guess if you had a boy and it's a different sex to the other two. It'd be so left out. Well, yeah, it's a big difference and to be different sex as well. But I think that there'd be pros and cons to both. And I can't imagine either of you actually care. Like as much as you could say you have a preference, at the end of the day, everyone just wants a healthy baby. Are you going to find out gender? Well,

we are actually so look I mean you should ask that here's a little bit of a scoop guys so we are actually gonna do if you're listening to this on Wednesday so like today if you set your alarm at 5am as you were told to as the episode came out Matt and I because obviously Matt's having a conversation about us having a baby on two droning dads because that's you know that's his audience that's where he can have the chat yeah it's kind of in the title

Yeah. And I'm talking about it to you guys. Like we share everything about our lives. Well, not everything, but we share so much about our lives with you. And it's like such a privilege that you care enough to want to know about it. So Matt and I were talking about what we would do because up until this point, we've never found out gender before. We've always found out at the

point of delivery, whether we're having a boy or a girl. But this time Matt was like, I really want to know. At the time and when it all came down to like me telling him that we're having another baby, I wanted him to feel really excited about it. And so I kind of gave that over to him. I was like, okay, well, this baby we can find out. And that made him like, you know, he was stoked.

So we are actually going to do it this afternoon. You guys can listen if you want to. We're going to do it on the pickup at three o'clock. Oh, shit. So we're going to do it on radio. Look, I actually just got goosebumps. This afternoon and live on radio, we're going to find out you, me and Matt. But also if you don't listen to radio, don't worry. I'll just tell you next episode. It's fine. Or you can go onto my socials. I'll tell you there as well. I was about to say I feel very privileged that I get to find out at the same time as you and Matt. But I was like, it's not my privilege. All of Australia is finding out at the same time.

I was like, I'm so privileged. But you're in the room. You're in the room. So we're going to, we're going to find out together because, you know, obviously we will tell our family and stuff as well, but like, it didn't feel right to have the conversations in silos. So we were like, let's do it together. And you know what? It'll be fun. So we're going to find out this afternoon. I feel so fucking weird about it. I would prefer not to find out. That would be my absolute preference. I would love to just, I love the surprise. I think it's such a

special moment in birth and I feel like it's the reward for the hard work is kind of how I felt, like finding out who this person was that's been in me this whole time. Whereas, like, I know it's important to Matt, so I'm happy to do it this time around. Yeah, and you got two surprises, so it's okay to do one. I mean, but also I've done every birth, so I feel like...

Funny that. You'll probably continue to do the birth thing. I've done 100% of the birth so far, so I feel like that was mine to have, but, you know, I'm happy to make the concession. I do feel like, because a lot of couples argue about if you want to find out, like when one person wants to and one person doesn't, I do think it always comes down to the fact that the mother gets to overrule and gets the final decision.

decision because you are the one sacrificing everything. You're carrying it. Your body's changing your hormones. You've got a breastfeed. You've got it. It's going to come out of your vagina. Like all the top or the hood. Well, what you know what I mean? Like it's all you. It is all you. So at the end of the day, there isn't an argument. And also speaking of that, like third pregnancy, all the things that you experience in first and second pregnancy just happened earlier. Like your body changes. So well for me anyway, I'm sure everyone's different, but your body changes so quickly and like,

all of the things that didn't hit me until I was like 24 weeks or 26 weeks with the other two just happened sooner. And I think it's maybe because like gravity and like I'm older, I'm considered geriatric pregnant. Actually, I was considered a geriatric pregnancy last time. Years ago, yeah. But I'm 39. I feel like they need to change the parameters. I know. I didn't walk into my appointment with a Zimmer frame, but 39, the reaction from the obstetricians around everything

age-related birth has been different. It's been different. They were really chill when I was 35 having a baby. They didn't seem to like take it as seriously. And I never, I mean, it's up to everyone's own personal preference, but I never had the NIPT test done with Marley or Lola. It was just my preference. I had the nuchal fold test done, which is like when they look for genetic abnormalities based on the structure of the baby, but I never had a chromosomal test done on them either.

And this time it was really pushed as though it was something that was a priority. So I kind of felt like there's been more systems that have been put in place and been really kind of like, okay, you should do this to make sure that you're aware of like everything that's going on. And also with Marley, Marley was 42 weeks. So she went over by two weeks.

And my obstetrician was like, you are absolutely not going over. You will have a baby at 38 or 39 weeks. So I know that it will be end of September unless I come super early, but that's never been the case for me. But I think as you get older and as you're having pregnancies as, you know, 39, 40, whatever it looks like for,

you as an individual, they take it more seriously because there can be more complications that arise. I mean, it's statistically proven that you do have more go wrong with babies as you get older. And that's why miscarriages increase. Things just change and it's not, it's not,

anything personal against somebody. It's biology. It's just what happens. It's also with sperm as well. Advancing paternal age is a risk factor for certain genetic conditions too. And no one ever speaks about that. They only ever talk about the fact that as the woman gets older, there's all these complications. I mean, look, I don't get all my information from social media, but I saw a reel recently which was all about the epigenetics

genetic coding of male sperm and the impact that that has on women and it was around this guy being like men should get into the best shape of their lives nine months before they get a woman pregnant and that there has been links of like sperm has an impact on miscarriage rate on whether a woman ends up having preeclampsia there is such a more defined link to the sperm than what

anyone ever knew before. And everyone always just thought it was like completely the woman's body, completely the woman's like responsibility. But actually they've realized that there's so much DNA that is responsible for the impact of the pregnancy and also the quality of the birth experience of the mother. So yeah, if your partner's fucking drinking and smoking and not taking care of himself, but you're trying for a baby, tell him to pull his head in for sure. Actually speaking about physical complications, the last episode that we released, you spoke about the fact that you had a cyst.

On the other side. Yeah, the cyst first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did that impact? What came first, the chicken or the egg? Yeah, so the cyst was already there. And like I said, I've had it since September last year.

However, it's been fluctuating in size and it had decreased at Christmas time. So I had had a scan done at Christmas time. And I guess the part of that story that I wasn't able to tell you until now. So I'd had this scan at Christmas time. It had decreased in size. And then after I found out I was pregnant, part of the reason why I wanted to do a pregnancy test was because I kind of felt a bit uncomfortable with

But I didn't realize it was because my cyst was back and it was bigger than it had ever been. So what had actually happened is when I ovulated, the time that I ovulated and got pregnant from it, the ovulation bled straight into the cyst. And so it was a byproduct of getting pregnant. But the problem was is that I now had like an 8.5 centimeter cyst that

that was just floating around at the same time that I had a developing baby, which can be okay for some people or it can cause really bad complications if it doesn't resolve itself. But the issue around surgery, so if you have a really, really big cyst, often surgery is the option. The problem is that if you have gotten pregnant,

And that is your ovulating ovary. That ovary is responsible for creating the placenta and creating all of the things that the baby needs to be viable. So you can't just take it out. So they can't remove it until the end of second trimester. Oh, wow. That would have been so stressful. Yeah. And even then it's really complicated. So it added a layer of complication. Basically the obstetrician was like, we can't do anything because

you do just have to wait and see. And if there's torsion, it would have meant complications, not just for the ovary, but also for the baby. So I'm so lucky that that has just kind of like spontaneously resolved, not completely, but resolved enough that like my ovary is not at risk now.

So it's something I'm going to have to deal with after the baby's born. And it might be something that they do in tandem, depending on what happens. Like I might have the baby and then they might go and remove the cyst at the same time. Yeah. So we'll find out. Twins. Oh, one-stop shop. Twins. Yeah. I can snip down there, snip up here. I was like, can you give me. Do the lab BXV. Literally. I was like, can you do the whole thing? And he was like, not until six months after.

And do the nose job while you're there. To be fair though, guys, this is too much information, but I'll tell you anyway. My vagina got so fat, so fat when I was pregnant with Lola. Like it was humongous. Humongous. You've already told us that. So no one's shocked by that. Yeah. Is it fat now? It's fucking started. A little cushion down there. I'm only 18 weeks and it's already started. It just gets huge. It's like, yeah, I need some lymphatic drainage happening, but it just drains straight into my vulva. Can you get like a lymphatic...

vaginal massage? Is that a thing? I don't think I could walk in and specifically ask for it. I feel like the therapist might be a bit confused. What are they, pelvic floor physios and stuff? I don't think they massage the labia.

We'll find out. Watch this space. There's so many weird things that happen to your body during pregnancy, though, that people don't talk about. Like people always say like, oh, you're glowing. And it's a lie. You get melasma. Your nipples go dark. Your nipples get long. You get a weird line on your belly. You get hairy. I'm calling bullshit. But it's the most beautiful time ever. You look amazing. I'm calling bullshit on that one. We, before you even told us you were pregnant,

I remember complimenting you so much. I was like, your skin is amazing. What did you do? I just thought you were tired. I had just had Profilo. That's what it was. I literally had just gotten around Botox and Profilo just before I got pregnant. Probably shouldn't say that, but I don't recommend it. It just worked out timing wise.

Well, look, one of the only other things I really want to talk about is because you guys have kind of been along the pregnancy and pregnancy loss journey of mine over the last few years. And we've had a kind of like a pattern to our pregnancies thus far. We had pregnancy loss. Then we had Marley. I had another pregnancy loss. Then we had Lola.

And so I think it's actually taken me a really long time to get my head around that, you know, hopefully this one is going to stick. I really honestly think for a very long time I just assumed that I would have a miscarriage this time around. Like before you got pregnant again. Yeah, and I think that that also is a reason why I don't think I've felt

the same level of excitement. You know, it's just, I think anytime you have a pregnancy after pregnancy loss in general, every time it kind of just erodes your sense of security in a pregnancy. Has that gone away now? And if it has, at what point did it go away?

It doesn't ever completely go away for me, I don't think. Until the baby's born. Yeah, it really doesn't. And I feel a slight lack of attachment to my pregnancies in general, even though I can say that there was excitement and everything else. I feel a lack of connection. I know that some mothers feel this real deep connection with their unborn child and it seems like it's a beautiful experience. I feel a little bit

alien to it. And I think that that might be mental self-preservation. I don't know. I think it's really just your brain goes into like, okay. Yeah. And I think I am just naturally quite a realistic and pragmatic person at times. And so I'm like, okay, not going to be driven by the emotion, going to be driven by like the reality of the possibilities. Yeah. And you've had the lived experience. You can't, when you've lived something and you know it can happen to you and you know how it feels, you can't just ignore it.

Like it's always going to be in the back of your mind. Absolutely. But anyway, guys, that was – I don't know if there's much else to share. Oh, there is more. Sorry. Can we be selfish and talk about us and tell everyone how you told us? What does it mean for the podcast? No, what does it mean for us? How did you tell us? How did I tell you guys? Look, there is actually a really big conversation that we want to have because obviously, Britt, it involves you heavily. Every –

The time I have been pregnant, and I mean miscarriages or pregnant and it's been a success. Like the four times prior that I've been pregnant, Britt, you have known before I've told Matt. Like I have told you first. It's crazy.

Like I told Brit literally the day I found out, especially the baby after Marley, which was really close. Like I think I was pregnant like 10, 11 months after Marley was born. Yeah, same year. Crazy, crazy close. Well, no, it was still pregnant same year with Lola, but this was like three months prior to Lola. Yeah. So I think Marley was in like nine months. I told you and then I hadn't, so like I told Matt and it was only a couple of days later after I told Matt that I miscarried. But Brit knew for like weeks prior to me telling Matt.

which I'm sure he's thrilled to know that now. He's probably like, what the fuck? But this one felt different and it felt different because obviously you are in a very different place with your wanting to have kids and fertility and the conversations that we've had around IVF and everything else. So I had this real fear around IVF

telling you and it upsetting you. Yeah. Or it telling you and it feeling as though it wasn't going to be received as good news because I know that, and you know, we have had so many conversations around how you can be happy for a friend and be sad for yourself. And I guess I felt like this time it needed to be treated with more care and more consideration. Yeah. Which is also a double-edged sword because it's

it makes me appreciative that you would even consider that, but it makes me upset that you would think that it would not be received well, that I would not be happy for you. Like that to me makes me more upset to think that a friend –

can't share something, her happiness with you. Oh, you're still one of the first people I told. So it's not. No, but you know what I mean? It's a funny feeling because that upsets me more being like, wow, I hate that my friends feel like I won't be able to separate those two. I think the difference in this is, and I know what you're saying, because often, for example, like if you have had pregnancy loss or you don't have a baby, you don't get invited to the baby showers. You don't get invited to the birthday parties and people assume that it's, they don't want to deal with your discomfort and it's

know that in my situation and our situation, it's not that. I just knew that this time it needed more sensitivity and it needed more consideration. Whereas last time and the time before, I just told you the day of. It didn't matter. It was reckless and careless because I didn't have to care because you didn't care. But knowing now...

When you have friends who deeply care and who are going through their own experiences, it's important to approach it in a way I think that is considerate and is sensitive. And also I kind of wanted to like figure out how I was feeling about everything and an idea of like, well, how does that impact? Also because we, you know, we're best friends, but we're also business partners in this as well.

So we want to do a whole episode, which we will do in the next little bit. Yeah, because it's complicated and it's so multifaceted and multilayered. It's definitely not something that you can –

we can throw into an episode now. And it's not something I would want to talk about now either because it does come attached with some confusing emotions. And I think this emotion right now for you is happiness. And this episode is excitement and happiness. And there are conversations that we will have in the future about this conversation because I know there's so many of you listening now that are on

Yeah, absolutely. And there are people on Laura's side of the fence. And when I say fence, I don't mean like opinions. I mean where you're at in life. Like some of you are going through it not successfully and you have friends that are going through it successfully and there's people on both sides of that fence. So I think it's important that we do talk on both.

Yeah. And I think the big conversation that we want to have about that, which will be its own episode is around like, how do you have those conversations and how do you hold space for someone who's living a very different experience? And what does that look like? Because you are always, and as women, we are always going to have

different periods of life where we're not able to be on the same page as our friends. And it's not just you, Britt. Like I have other friends who are going through or who have been through some really, really challenging fertility issues. And it feels different being like, hey, I know you're struggling with this. I'm having my third. That feels careless and like it's not very thoughtful. So like I guess we really wanted to have that conversation together

broader and be like, okay, well, how do you navigate this when you want to, you know, talk about something that's so exciting for you, but also do it with care. And also the other side of the coin, I remember Chloe Fisher speaking with you guys about this and Tanya Hennessy more recently on Life Uncut, is the emotions that the person who

is receiving the information experiences as well, not in terms of like the complexity of it, in terms of the fact that they can feel really bad about how they actually feel in response to that. The duality of it. Yeah, yeah. Living with the duality. Perfect way to sum it up. I would love to kind of do a bit of a deep dive on that at some point. And like you guys said, another episode and I think it will be a really, really important conversation. It's also just the age we're at. It's so prevalent now because of the timeframe we're at. So all of when you said you've got a lot of other friends going through it,

It's because that's where we're at in our life, you know, like we're in our mid to late 30s where it's if people haven't had kids yet, now's the time they want it. But it's also now's the time that you realize that maybe you do have issues with falling pregnant or, you know. Yeah, and, you know, in this, in the last 18 weeks of me knowing that I'm, or 17 weeks that I've known that I'm pregnant, I've had friends who have had miscarriages. I've had a friend who's had a baby who has had and has been through,

some of the most challenging fertility issues I have ever known someone to experience. And so, you know, I think that this pregnancy felt different for those reasons because like my experience and my exposure to it is different now. Whereas like when I was 35, I was the first person that I knew that had a miscarriage. I didn't know anyone else. So like, it's a very different experience. I reckon that actually should be something that every single one of us, as in I'm talking about

you listening, we should actually be so proud of ourselves because that has shifted so much in the last couple of years. I think our ability to recognize the emotions involved in situations like this. I now see when people have pregnancy announcements on social media that it's like, hey, you know, I understand that this could be a really complicated thing for someone if you want to mute me. Like all of those types of things, I think we have actually come such a long way in being considerate of how other people experience it differently. And I think that's a really beautiful thing. Like that's

We constantly talk about the ways in which society is fucked. And I think that that is one of the best ways that we have actually evolved into being considerate. Yeah, completely. And, you know, it's a really interesting thing because like I think about like this whole concept of motherhood and like if you had asked me in my 20s if I was going to have kids and I've said it before, I didn't even know if I wanted to have kids. I never had this deep maternal pull. I never felt... How do you feel now?

She's still figuring it out. I'm not sure. I just never had it. I never had it. And it wasn't until I became a mom that I felt as though a door opened for me. And it is an experience that I have loved so deeply. And I love being a mom and I love my girls. And I know I complain on here about it sometimes, but like, it's literally the best thing that ever happened to me. And I guess for me, you hear so many horror stories about how hard parenting is. You hear like, and it had to happen.

The pendulum had to swing so that women who were challenged by motherhood and who find it incredibly hard had a voice and felt comfort in that. But I also think sometimes that the pendulum swung so far in the opposite direction that we don't hear about how great it is and how fun it is and how actually you can discover a whole new identity in motherhood today.

your life doesn't just stop. Work doesn't just dry up. You know, your sense of self doesn't just disappear, but like you kind of become a new version of yourself. And that's what I have felt motherhood has been for me. And I fucking love it. So like when I think about it in that respect, I get really excited because I'm like, well, he's a whole new human that I get to meet and who's going to be like this cool little person who's going to scream at me and treat me like Lola does. That's funny you say that.

I have one more thing. So on the weekend I was talking with my friend Sophie. Shout out, Soph. I know that you listen. You're a big lifer. And I was saying, oh, there's going to be a really exciting thing coming on Wednesday. And she was like, what is it? And I, hand on my heart, I kept it a secret. I was really proud of myself for not sharing it. I was like, you've got to wait. You've got to wait. And she was like, the podcast isn't ending, is it? Oh, my God, that's a bad secret. We would never hook that as an announcement. Stay tuned this week for a tutorial podcast. Brittany and Laura are unemployed.

Come the third baby, Life Uncut will not cease to exist. There'll be some minor adjustments whilst the birthing and the early days, but like the podcast is still here. We will live stream from the birth. So you guys are going to be a part of it. You guys are more concerned than I am. No, no. I'm not concerned about it at all. I actually am not concerned in the slightest. I wanted to put the listeners at ease so that they don't feel as though it's going anywhere. Oh my God, guys, I thrive in chaos. Throw more on my plate. I do feel like it's going to be slightly more intense.

than the other two times because there are two other children now, like there's three children, but we're ready for that. I am the most supported that I have been this time. So the last two times it was COVID. There was no support. I had no childcare. I had nothing and I still managed to do what I did. This time I live with Matt's mum. You know, we are very, very fortunate that we are able to afford child support and, you know, both my other kids will be in school. I actually feel the most confident about going into this birth.

than what I did in the last time. And so, you know, obviously like I'll have a couple of weeks off, I'll have a baby, I'll come back and tell you about it. Like it's not, the podcast isn't going anywhere, nothing else changes. This big news doesn't stop anything. I think you should be really proud of that though because you've put the systems in place, you know, like you've got the support systems in, you have multiple businesses, you've got amazing people in each of those that

It takes a village, right? And you've got the village. But we're also lucky that this job as a job, it can be done from anywhere. So if there's a bad day. Like a delivery room. Well, it's like if there's a bad day and you need to be like, hey, we need to do it from home today. We can do it from home. We've got equipped. Like that's the, we're blessed in the fact that we have a job that is mobile. Like that is not like you've got to turn up to a nine to five at a storefront. Obviously it's better here if you can come into a studio, but like,

We are very lucky that we can do this anywhere at any time. Let me know if you want me to podcast from the delivery suite because I'll do that for you guys. We are absolutely not doing that. If you want me to take a roadcaster in because I'm going to be in juice. I'm going to have six hours of laying there with an epidural in my back. I'll tell you all about it, guys. You can get some audio content. We'll get Tublerone to do your epidural and it can be a whole family affair. Yeah, fuck it. I'll come in. Do you want to come in? I'll just podcast from me. You can come in. Guys, it's crazy.

This could be a podcasting first. We could literally podcast live from my birth. If you want to do it, I'm not scared. It's the third one. I don't care as much. I've always wanted to see just how long the long labia is. So I will come in to do it. The first two felt really special. The third one, I'm like, I've done this twice now. This is an old roadie. I'm going to cough that baby out. So I'll podcast it live. If Matt will let me come in, I will come in and podcast. Do we need to have these kind of mics or do I have to just put one of the lapel mics on? No, you don't have to hold. You can have a lapel.

imagine one of us standing there with one of the mics that you hold like a boom mic they're too echoey I hate those anyway guys I love that that's the problem the mic's too echoey no we're happy for you congratulations yeah we've got another little team member joining next year's tour bus for Life Uncut it's going to need some extra baby seats but make sure you guys tune in to the pick up this afternoon because we're doing the live gender reveal we're going to find out what baby you've had and if you're listening to this late

You'll already know. Yeah, if you're listening to this late, just go to my Instagram. You'll probably know anyway. Guys, thank you so much. I am so excited. And so, like, yeah, I love being able to share this stuff with you. We've shared everything along the way. And, yeah, this is, like, the next chapter. I just can't take you seriously with your mum and TV to stash on. I feel like you're like, where are all the peers? That's what I feel like it's giving. Do you know what I'm devout about? You know what I will say I'm devout about? What?

I was looking so forward to it and I was telling so many people. I actually said it to Keisha. I said, I can't wait for the wedding. I was like, Laura is going to get lit before I knew I'm pregnant. I was like, Laura is going to be so litty at my wedding. I was like, she loves a margie. I've got margs on the menu for her. I fucking love a margarita. She put them on the cocktail menu. For you, specifically for you. Because I hate them. Actually, fuck it. I'm taking them off. I'm calling my wedding planner. They're off.

I'll show you. Can I just say guys? We'll get Naga readers. I know. Make me a booze free one. It's such a privilege to be able to share it with you guys. So thank you for always coming along for like the journey of what we experience in life. The journey of life. You know, and yeah, you guys have been there for all of it. So it means a lot. Can you show us your belly again? If you actually, if you have this early at my wedding and take away my limelight with a baby, I

I'm going to be, I'm joking. Britt, if I have this baby early, it'll be very unwell. So I think that it's not about the limelight. It's probably about me being in the ICU ward. Okay guys, it was a bad joke. Don't have to take it so seriously. All right. See ya. Anyway guys, that is it from us. If you love the episode, please don't leave a bad review on that. That's a pretty fucking awful thing to leave a bad review about. Sorry, if you're leaving a bad review on the fact that Laura's having a baby, you can stop listening to Lifehunt. That would be weird. But yeah, like, look, leave us your

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