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2024 Nobel Laureate Explains What Makes Countries Fail Or Succeed, with James A. Robinson

2024/10/17
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James Robinson: 国家兴衰的关键在于社会成员如何组织社会和制度,创造不同的激励和机会模式。地理位置和自然资源并非决定性因素。 包容性制度能够激励创新,推动经济增长,而掠夺性制度则会剥夺人们的激励和机会,导致长期发展停滞。 美国的专利制度是包容性制度的成功案例,它对所有人开放,激发了广泛的创新。 墨西哥和海地等国的经济落后,部分原因在于其缺乏包容性制度,导致社会福利集中在少数人手中。 国家与社会力量的平衡决定了自由的程度,三种类型的国家——缺位利维坦、专制利维坦和受约束的利维坦。 历史模式是分歧而非融合,社会往往停留在不同的稳定状态,存在路径依赖性。 社会可能会偏离“狭窄走廊”,但最终又会回到这个走廊。 他对美国未来持谨慎乐观态度,认为美国制度能够应对挑战。 他欣赏世界社会制度的多样性,认为人类社会制度的创新和多样性是其魅力所在。 Paul Rand: 地理位置和自然资源并非决定国家成败的关键因素,而是人类如何组织社会才是决定性因素。 詹姆斯·罗宾逊的《国家兴衰》一书认为,政治和经济制度决定了国家的成败。 “掠夺性制度”和“包容性制度”的概念能够帮助人们理解世界信息并进行组织。 经济学解释了繁荣的来源,但贫穷国家的困境在于无法利用这些知识。 国家成败取决于人民如何组织社会及制度。 几十年来,学者们认为地理位置、资源或文化决定了国家成败,但这种理论是错误的。 通过对比美国和墨西哥的诺加莱斯两镇,可以证明地理位置和文化差异并非决定性因素。 经济差异的背后是政治差异,政治制度决定经济制度。 《国家兴衰》解释了包容性和掠夺性经济制度与国家成败的关系,但没有解释为什么世界存在这种制度差异。 自由对经济成功至关重要。 不同社会自由程度的差异,以及自由在某些地区出现而在其他地区未出现的原因,需要解释。 社会对制度的不满可能会导致社会偏离“狭窄走廊”。 保持在“狭窄走廊”内是一种挑战。 《国家兴衰》的成功在于其简单明了的观点。

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Why did James Robinson win the 2024 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences?

He won the prize for his research on how institutions are formed and affect prosperity, particularly his work on understanding what makes nations succeed or fail.

What is the central idea of James Robinson's book 'Why Nations Fail'?

The book argues that the success or failure of nations depends on how people in those societies organize their institutions, which create different patterns of incentives and opportunities.

What are the two types of institutions discussed in 'Why Nations Fail'?

The two types of institutions are extractive and inclusive. Extractive institutions concentrate incentives and opportunities, while inclusive institutions create broad-based incentives and opportunities for innovation and growth.

How does the example of Nogales, Arizona and Nogales, Mexico illustrate the impact of institutions?

The two towns, separated by a border, show stark differences in living standards despite similar geography and culture. Nogales, Arizona, with inclusive institutions, has higher incomes, better education, and lower infant mortality compared to Nogales, Mexico, which has extractive institutions.

What role does the patent system play in inclusive institutions?

The patent system protects intellectual property rights, creating incentives for innovation by ensuring that inventors can benefit from their ideas, which drives economic growth and prosperity.

What are the three types of states or 'leviathans' described in 'The Narrow Corridor'?

The three types are the absent leviathan (where society dominates the state), the despotic leviathan (where the state dominates society), and the shackled leviathan (where there is a balance between state and society).

Why does Robinson argue that history shows divergence rather than convergence in societal development?

Robinson believes that once a society develops a particular constellation of institutions, it tends to reproduce itself, leading to long-term divergence in societal structures and outcomes.

What does Robinson suggest about the current state of the United States in terms of its institutions?

Robinson believes that while there are challenges and discontent, the historical path dependence of the U.S. suggests that its institutions are capable of responding to these challenges and finding solutions.

Why does Robinson avoid giving direct policy advice to governments?

Robinson finds that the details of policy implementation vary significantly between countries, making it difficult to provide universal advice. He prefers to share his ideas and let societies adapt them as needed.

What does Robinson hope readers will take away from his books?

Robinson hopes that his books will inspire readers by presenting complex ideas in a simple and accessible way, allowing them to better understand the world and the factors that drive prosperity or poverty.

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This chapter explores the core argument of James Robinson's research: that a nation's success or failure hinges on how its people organize their society and institutions, rather than solely on geographical factors or resources. The author contrasts his view with Jared Diamond's theory in "Guns, Germs, and Steel", highlighting the importance of human agency in shaping societal outcomes.
  • Geographic location and resources are not the primary determinants of national success or failure.
  • The way societies organize themselves and their institutions is crucial.
  • Robinson challenges Jared Diamond's theory in "Guns, Germs, and Steel".

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On Big Brains, we get to speak to a lot of groundbreaking scholars and experts, but some conversations we walk away knowing we’ve just heard from someone who is really changing the world. We certainly felt that way years ago after talking to University of Chicago scholar James Robinson, and it turns out…the Nobel Prize committee agreed in 2024 when it awarded him a share of the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel.

Robinson was honored for the exact work that we talked to him about nearly five years ago. The author of numerous best-selling books, including Why Nations Fail (2012) and The Narrow Corridor (2019), he won the Nobel this year because his work researching what makes nations succeed and…what makes them fail. There’s no better time to refamiliarize ourselves with his important research and celebrate his Nobel win.