Daily Podcast (04.14.25)
03:30:04 Share

♪♪♪

The official supermarket of the Preston and Steve show. Casey wanted to have the microphone. Oh, yeah. Well, Preston, it's your birthday, so I wanted to get you a birthday present. Okay. No, no, no. Not until January, but a little bit. Well, it is early. It is early. Did I get you anything for your birthday this year? Yes, I did. Of course you did. So I'm going to give you this gift, and...

I'm going to play audio as you open this gift and as you unroll. Listen, you may never ever use this, but when I saw this, I was like, dude, I'm like, buy that right now. All right. I'm just along for the ride here. Okay. No, we're all...

You're going to have to unroll this thing basically from the top to the bottom. Okay. And there will be audio that's played while I'm doing this? Unroll it from the top to the bottom. All right. It looks like the top will be up here. Okay. So let me untie. It's some type of a, it looks like a shirt. A shirt. Like one would wear on their torso. One might wear on the top part of their body, but it is tied together with a string. I'm untying it. So read it out loud. Okay. So it says here, hold on, hold on, hold on.

hold on, this is my favorite.

sister was... Hold on! Hold on! Her sister was a witch! Right? Hold on. It's a transcription of that entire video. Oh my God. That's great. Where'd you find the shirt that says her sister was a witch? Right? And what was her sister? A princess! Yes!

And I have to show this to you guys because it's not just the text. It's a lot of artwork around it, too. Oh, that's great. Like bubbles and a crown and a broom. Needless to say, with Wicked coming out. Yep. Wicked week, man. For those who don't know this video, it's two guys that you come into the middle of it. They're screaming at each other. You're not sure what they're fighting about. And you find out they're fighting about the fact that one believes that Glinda the Good Witch was a princess.

And they're screaming at each other. And Casey knows I love this. I love it. Now, I have a question. Yes.

We really do need to get to the bottom of why they are fighting. And so I was having this discussion, like, were they playing Scattergories? You know what I mean? You're looking at the table. I don't see a game there. Well, hang on. I see something. Do you see those round plastic, blue plastic things? Yes. What are they? Could they have been playing headbands? Headbands? Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe. Oh, will you wear the card on your forehead? The card on your head. Maybe. That could be it. So I guess Doug is the guy that's sitting down with a checkered shirt on, right? Yeah, grow up, Doug. When grow up Doug has to stand up, he pulls out a knife. He does. Which I always thought was kind of weird. And like he goes after him and he's like, I think he's kind of doing an ingest. But Doug's not afraid to roll with a knife in a Wicked Witch of the West fight. Yeah, he has a lock blade. He unlocks it and he holds it by his right thigh. Yeah.

And that part kind of scares me a little too, Nick. Well, it's an intense fight. Doug is a little silent, unhinged guy who is about ready to cut his friend over a Wizard of Oz fight.

Fight. She came down in a bubble, Doug. Yeah. A crown in a bubble. You're going to look at me and you're going to tell me that I'm wrong? Am I wrong? She wore a crown and she came down in a bubble. Grow up. Grow up. Get educated. Grow up, bro. The other guy's going, get educated.

Casey, this is brilliant. I don't know if we want to head down a conversation about that or not, but easily the dumbest full-blown argument you've had over the stupidest subject ever. Did we hit Kathy's? Oh, ours was teeth. Yeah, it almost destroyed your vacation. It almost destroyed their family. Did we talk about that? No, we never did. I think it's long.

I think it's been long enough. You were waiting for it to clear, right? Yeah. I was like, I don't know if my brother will ever talk to me again if I bring this up on the radio. But now we can laugh about it. Oh, let's hear about this. Yeah, we were on vacation. We were in Montauk and we were all sitting around. After the kids go to bed, there's a big living room. Everybody kind of sits in the living room. We get a glass of wine. So we were hanging out. My brother has twins and the topic of babies going to the dentist got brought up.

And so they were like, yeah, well, the babies haven't gone to the dentist yet. And I was like, what? I was like, what do you mean? They were like, they're babies. I go, do they have teeth?

Then they need to go to the dentist, you know? So anyway, so then we get into the conversation and I'm like busting out all of the, you know, I'm basically on the dentist side. Like they have teeth, you know, and they're like, well, if they rot and fall out of their mouth, like new ones grow. I'm like, no, no, no, that's not how it works. That's not how it works. It can affect the root, whatever. Like I go into the whole thing of a dentist and my mom was like, what do you think? A baby's going to sit there with its mouth?

open and let the dentist do work. My mom was screaming at me. Then my sister-in-law was like, how about you let me take care of my kids? I was like, oh, what's happening? Why is this all going on? Over whether or not you should take a baby to the dentist. And then my cousin's texting me on the side and she's like, you gotta stop. They're not ever gonna talk to you again.

So what was your take is that babies should go to the dentist? Yeah, like once a child has teeth, they should go to the dentist. Okay. How old are you talking? I think at the time they were, maybe they were, I think they were one, like almost one and a half probably.

So I don't know. This was not this past summer. It was the summer before. But it got that heated. It got so heated. Like, and my other brother wasn't there. And like, after the fact, he was like, whoa, he's like, I heard I missed a good one on vacation. So, all right. That's, that's a, that's hilarious to get in a knocked out, like screaming match. Oh, screaming, yelling. Oh yeah. Everyone was yelling. And it was like, all the kids were sleeping and we were having, so it was probably like 11 o'clock at night or something like that. So yeah, it was like, yeah.

Complete late at night. And nobody was like, it's not like we were drunk. Like, you know, you're out all day on the beach, whatever. Everyone's sort of just like sitting, relaxing or chatting, having conversation, you know, around the table and just turned into a blowout fight over teeth. Did anybody think to, you know, maybe Google, do babies go to the dentist or anything like that to try and, you know? Yes. So what I will say is like, you know, my mom loves the alternative treatment to everything. And my brother is also like that.

So they were very much on that side. And I'm a little bit like that too. And I wasn't saying go and have them drill cavity, but like you have to make sure that they're- Do a root canal on a six month old. Well, like dental health is a thing. So like you take them to their pediatrician, why wouldn't you take them to their dentist? Right.

And that was my argument, which turned into screaming. So, by the way, we're going to go to a pediatric dentist who's online. But before that, here's another example. This person writes, shortly after I got married, I casually said to my in-law family, it's pronounced Sherbet, not Sherbert.

worst fight ever. And I felt so ostracized. Pronounced Sherbert, not Sherbert. That is what led him down to a knockdown drag out screaming fight. He was standing on that Sherbert Hill. Yeah. He was knocking it back down.

Sorbit. Yeah, Sorbit. Let me go to, I have Eric, a pediatric dentist. Hi, Eric. Good morning. Hey, Durka, Durka, Durka. Durka, my man. What's up, Eric? All right. So I'm a pediatric dentist. I've been a pediatric dentist for about 25 years now. Wow. And basically, you are supposed to bring your child both the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry and the American Academy of Pediatrics, which are the pediatricians,

agree that you're supposed to bring your child to the dentist by the time they're a year of age. One year. Now, one year of age or within six months of their first tooth coming in. Okay. Now, the whole goal of this appointment, it's really not to bring them in there to clean their teeth and what we would normally go in for checkups as adults, but it's really more for counseling for the parents and

to inform them to learn what they're doing at home, and also to inform them of things that they may need to change to reduce the need for future dental care for their kids. I love it. Yep. Standard stuff. Yep, exactly. And you guys will, I'm sure, take a peek at their mouth and make sure that there isn't anything that's, you know, a trouble already. Is there... Go ahead.

Absolutely. We do take a peek, make sure that there isn't anything going on that needs to be taken care of. Just to let you guys know, youngest child they ever took care of, 30 hours old. 30 hours? Now, what did you do, braces?

No, actually, it was a baby who we got called by the hospital. Baby wasn't able to nurse or even drink from the bottle. Okay. And so we wound up doing treatment for the baby so the baby could not only drink from the bottle but was also able to nurse. So, Eric, let me ask you, is there ever a time you would recommend to parents that they simply let their children's teeth rot out of their mouths in anticipation of their adult teeth? Yeah.

No, definitely not a good idea. I've had patients. I had an 18-month-old one time that came in with a swollen lip, was referred by a pediatrician that I had to take to the hospital, put under general anesthesia to take out four teeth that day. Wow.

Wow. Yeah. And I saw the kid nine o'clock in the morning. By the time we both got to the hospital, both the kid and I was about 1130 and the kid was swollen all the way up to his eye and couldn't open up. Oh, I'm so sad. Excellent. Well, all right, Eric, thank you for clearing that up. We do appreciate that.

Hey, have a great day, guys. You too, man. We'll see you later. I think we've concluded this argument. I was right. You were right. Kathy was right. You were right. Clearly right. And what about Sherbert? All right. I'm going to go. Hang on a second. We have a number of good calls of the stupid argument. And let's go to, we're going to go to Joe. Hi, Joe. Good morning. Morning, guys. How are you? Good, man. What's up, buddy? My word is me and my neighbor, we started over a game of Scrabble. We got to talk about words. And my word was vanilla.

I pronounce it Vanilla. Like the number. Vanilla. Okay. He pronounced it, I guess, the normal way. Vanilla. We got into a fight, argument. He called me stupid. I called him an a-hole. And we haven't talked in probably like two months. Oh, my God. You haven't talked for two months over the way you pronounce Vanilla. All right. But did you spell it correctly? That wasn't even a word. That wasn't the word that came up. It was just like we started talking about words. They started talking about the word Vanilla. Yeah.

He just didn't like the way you pronounced it. Wow. I told his wife, you know, we were still friends and stuff, but I was like, don't look at me. I'll look at him. I'll laugh. I'll door dash him. Ice cream, vanilla ice cream. Oh, yes. That's great. That's brilliant. I just sent him a copy of Milli Vanilli. Yes.

It's like a running joke now, but it's kind of funny. We haven't really talked in like two months, but it's funny. I don't really care. Yeah, it'll pass with time. Thanks, Joe. Appreciate it. Oh, my God. All right, here's another text that says, my family once had an argument over whether midnight was a.m. or p.m. And apparently it must have gotten pretty serious. You got to go to Bill here. Okay. I have Bill on the line. I say, Bill, good morning.

Morning, guys. Sorry to disturb you at work. No, no disturbance. What's up, dude? Hey, so my family was actually, it started with me and my two brothers. We were playing 20 questions, and one of the questions that my brother, I was the one who...

who had the thing that they were guessing, asked if the average man could carry it. And my guess was, or the thing they were trying to guess was a water buffalo. I was like, yeah, the average man could carry that. Knowing in my mind that to carry something does not mean you have to carry it for a while, just like a couple of steps. Doesn't mean you have to pick it up. It doesn't have to be on your shoulders. Oh, my God. So I said, sure. And so when we got to the end, they're like, you can't carry a water buffalo. And it turned into...

months of avid argument. Oh my God. We still bring it up to this day. Wait, Bill, are you still dying on the hill that a man, that a human being could carry a water buffalo? Mm-hmm.

Preston, I'm so firm on my belief that I literally wrote a children's book. I want to read that book. You got to write that book, man. You can get it online. The Rhino Who Was Always Right. Wait, you wrote it? You wrote it? I wrote it. It's online. Oh, my God. We're looking that up right now. The Rhino Who Was Always Right. Oh, my God.

Okay, we'll have to check that out. Bill. That's awesome. Oh my God. I still hold to it. Anytime it comes up at dinner, we fight. So you're Bill Walsh? Yes. And it's available on Amazon. Yep. We just looked it up. It's phenomenal. Over an argument over whether a human could carry a water buffalo. How long ago was this, Bill?

Five years. Five years ago. And he's still on it. Oh, my God. Nick, does it have good ratings? Yeah. It got four stars out of five. You can get it right now on Amazon Prime for only $8.99. Bill, that's phenomenal. Thank you for sharing. You're welcome. All right. We'll see you.

So when you plant your flag in the ground, when you're wrong on something, how hard is it to rescind your original take? I have gotten better at it. I will, you know, it's, I feel better if I can just,

clean my own conscience, you know, and say, you were right. I was wrong. Let's get past this. Yeah. I will go to Aaron next. Hey, Aaron, good morning.

Good morning, guys. How are you? Good. What's up, Erin? So I don't know if you've ever played the game Taboo, which is basically you have a card with a word on it and you're trying to get the group to say the word without giving specific clues. Yes. And yeah, my parents and I are playing with my sister. So we're all, you know, there's four of us. And it's my mom's turn to give the clue. So she's reading the card.

And her word is grasshopper. But her clue, she kept saying over and over again. She goes, all right, guys, here's the clue. Ready? Jiminy Cricket was a, and we're all looking at each other. It's in the name. She's like, no, you're not Jiminy Cricket. His name is Jiminy Cricket. His name is Cricket.

I'm like, a cricket! I mean, this went on for a good five minutes. She was getting so angry we couldn't figure out the clue. We're like, what the hell is hard? Oh, my God. You know what? Erin, I think I know where your mom might have been confused. Oh, my God. I know, I know. I'm playing advocate for her for a moment. But I think in the artwork of Jiminy Cricket, he's green.

And crickets are brown. They're not green. Grasshoppers are green. But you have one telltale thing. Yes. His name is Cricket. I agree. It wasn't a clue. I mean, it's just a when she does something that we're just like, are you sure? Just like it was a grasshopper. Yeah.

Oh, my God. It's like the Lion King was the tiger. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. Here's a text that says, huge fight with my now wife's friend at a bar because I said that Guinness had less calories than most beer, but she completely disagreed because it's dark and therefore it must be high calorie.

So they had it out over that stupid thing. Well, who was right? I guess it depends on what you're comparing it to. Right, right, right, yeah. You know, but it has, I believe it has less calories than most people realize. Like a Bud Light or something like that? I don't know. I don't know what the caloric take is. I don't know. Hang on a second. Let me go to Andrew. Hi, Andrew. Good morning.

Good morning. Hey, bitches. Hey, what? What's up, Andrew? So, my ex-wife, we divorced about eight years ago, nine years ago, and when my daughter was...

She asked me when she was in her car seat, turning, looking backwards, hey, when can I look forward? And so my ex-wife and I got into a huge fight about when our daughter was able to turn around in the car seat, and I had to go into the Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, call them.

get documentation, send it to my lawyer, send it to her, and prove to her that, yes, it's based on height and weight. It's not based on age. Ah. Height and weight. So, and what are, do you recall what the height and weight was at which time you could turn the car seat around? Yeah, I think it was like age eight, maybe 15.

50, 56 or 57 pounds. Like, under 60 pounds, but heavier than, like, 45. You know, it's funny because for the longest time I had no idea, and I don't have kids, but I didn't realize that the seat, in many cases, should face backwards. And I...

Was that a common thing? I didn't know that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's based on height and weight, and it's not based on age. And, like, you know, I guess that's the safety measures that car seats are taking nowadays. Now, Andrew, when you did the full PowerPoint presentation to your wife, your ex, did she eventually come around and concede that you were indeed correct?

Uh, no, because she doesn't like to be wrong. There you go. Yeah. She wouldn't give. Yep. It happens. No, because she's, you know, I guess women are always right and men are always wrong. So. All right. And then eight years ago you got divorced. Uh, here's a, Nick pulled up this little bit of information about Guinness. Um, a 12 ounce serving of Guinness draft has, uh, 15 more calories than the same amount of Bud Light. So there you go, Casey. But,

Guinness is relatively low in calories because alcohol is the main source of calories in beers. And Guinness Draft has an alcohol by volume of 4.2.

Budweiser has an ABV of 5%. So it's got less alcohol than you think in it. And yes, in beer, mainly what's packing on those calories is the alcohol level. The beginning of this conversation was about the guys fighting over the Wicked Witch. And I think it is headbands that they're fighting over.

Because I'm on Amazon right now. They were playing that game? Yeah, because if you look here, Preston, they're wearing blue bands over their head, and that's exactly what was on the table. On the table in the video, we just see them starting the fight, but we don't know where the conversation over...

The Wizard of Oz came up, but you could see these round white bands, and we were wondering if it was because they were playing the game headbands. That's got to be it. Has there ever been a follow-up with those guys, like on Tosh or anything along those lines? Good question. That is a very good question. Because it's...

If I'm having a bad day and I put that video on, I know I'm having a good day. It changes my mood. That's how so damn funny it is. It's 25 seconds, you know? Yeah. Just do a nice little reset, a refresh. Yep. Hang on a second here. Let's go to Becca. Hi, Becca. Good morning. Good morning. Hey, what's up, Becca? Hi.

I was just calling in to say that the huge contention in our family is my Philly South Jersey grammar. Okay. My husband is from Montclair with this tiny little spot of the country with no accent. And a couple years into our marriage, he...

hears us say at dinner time, I guess, you know, are you done dinner? And I don't know if you guys say this, but apparently it's a Philly thing. And my mom was like, yeah, that's right. We've all say it. And the grandparents, yeah, that's right. And my husband says, no, it's not right. And it is this huge contention in our family because we have young kids and they're, you know, learning how to say things. And I say done dinner and he always calls it out. And I'm like, don't correct me in front of the kids. So, no, it's an issue. And,

I don't know. Does anybody else have this? The delineation is done dinner, done with dinner, correct? Finished. Or finished. Yes. Okay. Turkeys are done.

People are finished, I think. Yes. Is what you say. Oh, really? When you're cooking something, then it is done. It's supposed to be done or done with. It's not just done dinner. It's supposed to be done with dinner. But then now we live in Lancaster County and Lancaster County always adds a with at the end. Like, are you coming with?

and they don't finish the sentence. So now our poor kids, I'm, you know, they're putting with in the wrong place because I'm saying done dinner without the with and then they're saying, are you done dinner? But it's terrible. My husband just hangs his head in shame and he's like, you can't do this. Like, please correct yourself. I'm like this 40 plus years of like my entire family of generations have spoken like this. I don't think it's wrong.

Yeah. Ivy, it's fine. It is funny. It's fine. And at a certain point, why are you changing at this point? Just let it go. It's just a shortcut in language. Yeah. You know, and if your kids end up moving somewhere else, they'll talk like the people do there, you know, whatever. It's even worse when my college Minnesota accent comes out while I'm watching sports, and then I'm like, oh, crap, and he just looks like, what the hell is that? Crap.

I love it. All right. Thanks, Becca. All right. One last call, then we got to take a break. Lou's been on hold for a while, so let me go to him. Hey, Lou. Good morning. What's up, bitch? Yo, bitch. Real estate agent, bitch. Oh, Freddy Krueger, real estate. That's right, bitch. I listened to that the other day. I was dying so hard. It was literally the funniest thing ever. Thanks, man. But...

Did we lose him? Lou? Did we lose him? Yeah, we lost you for a second. Go ahead, buddy. Sorry about that, guys. So I went to Eastern State Penitentiary this past October. You know, love Halloween. Went with the wife and my sister. We go there. We get through, like, you know, their little exhibits or whatever. The last one, we're getting ready to walk through, and all of a sudden, the power goes out.

so we're like okay great you know we're sitting there waiting for the power to get restored here it doesn't get restored they start asking people to exit and go out towards the front courtyard so my wife and i we walk up there with my sister and the crowd starting to get bigger so my wife's not really a big person when it comes to crowds she's you know it gets her very nervous so more people are pouring in the lights are out in eastern state penitentiary so it's dark in there

We don't really know what's going on. We don't know why the power is off. But as the minutes go by, she's getting angrier and angrier and angrier. So it gets to the point where she starts having like a mild panic attack. So I'm like, all right, listen, sweetheart. I'm like, let's get to the front. Let's talk to a security guard, which we ended up doing. We get up to the front. The guy's telling us like, hey, listen, you guys have to wait here a minute.

she's getting more anxiety. And then she turns around to me and she's like, Lou, we have to get the F out of here. She's like, there are thousands of people here. And then I immediately stopped and I gave, I rolled my eyes. I'm like, sweetheart, I'm like, there's not thousands of people here. I'm like, it's okay. It's only like, you know, probably maybe a couple hundred at max. Lou, don't, don't tell me.

I know how many people are here. I work in education. I know how to count. I know how to do math. There's thousands of people here. I'm like, dude, I am not having this argument with you right now in a pitch black prison of all places with a crowd of people. I'm like, let's not do this, okay? Yeah.

So we're arguing, bickering back and forth. It gets to the point where I literally walked up to the security guard. I'm like, listen, man, I have to leave. I said, according to my wife, there's thousands of people. She's having a panic attack. So I have to leave. So I literally, I felt terrible. I literally, like, just put my hand in front of this guy's face. I'm like, sorry, bro, I got to leave. And I walked out with my wife and my sister. And, man, we're walking down the street, and we're struggling.

still carrying this argument along. I'm telling you, it's hundreds of people. No, Lou, it's thousands of people. It's thousands. I'm like, okay, sweetheart. I'm like, whatever. I'm not arguing with you. And then that was the end of that. So now, since that happened, every time, like, I'll see, like, a crowd of people. I'll be like, oh, look, Mary Kate, there's thousands of people.

Oh, that is phenomenal, Lou. You'll give her a little bit of latitude for the panic attack that could have contorted her perception, correct? Absolutely, yeah. I still have to break her balls, therefore. I love it. Lou, thank you for sharing, man. We appreciate it. Thanks, guys. I love you. Take care, bud. We love you. All right, so Marissa found this bit of information about the original YouTube video. If you're just tuning in, Casey got me this shirt that has the entire transcript of the classic Wizard of Oz argument, this. Hold on! Hold on!

Hold on. Hold on. Her sister was a witch, right? And what was her sister? A princess. So the actual transcript of it with lots of artwork is on this shirt Casey got me. So here's the context from the original YouTube video. They were playing headbands. Okay. And Doug had Glenda, the fairy witch in the pink dress who talked to Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz. And the other guy said princess as a hint. Okay.

Doug didn't get it and insisted Glenda wasn't a princess. And then the other guy made the rant that is now pure gold. And apparently they were on Tosh.0. Yeah, it's on YouTube. It was from three years ago. All right. I got to see that. All right. Thank you for the gift, Casey. This is really cool. I appreciate it, man. I'm going to wear that with pride. All right. We are going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

Tune into Her Story with me, Kathy Romano, here on 93.3 WMMR Sunday mornings at 7 a.m. On Her Story, we celebrate the extraordinary women who are part of our community and beyond, making waves and inspiring us all. From groundbreaking achievements to everyday heroism, we introduce you to incredible women each week. Their stories are not just inspiring, but also relatable, showing us that we all have the potential to dream bigger and reach higher.

These stories of passion, resilience, and triumph need to be heard. And here's the best part. You, our listeners, can be a part of it. Your nominations are what make this show possible. Know an amazing woman whose story deserves to be told? Visit our nomination page at wmmr.com slash her story. Join me, Kathy Romano, for Her Story Sundays at 7 a.m. on WMMR.com.

because every woman has a story worth sharing. Hey, how often do you call your mom? Every day, once in a blue moon maybe? Well, show the moms in your life how appreciated they are with Steven Singer's brand new limited edition 24 karat gold dipped blue moon rose for Mother's Day. It's the perfect rose for your mother, the mother in your life, anybody you call mother. It's glorious. It's a beautiful color. It'll be a hit. Skip flowers that die in a week. Steven's famous gold dipped roses are real roses dipped in real 24 karat gold guaranteed to last a lifetime. Blue moon is available only at Steven Singer Jewelers. Always free shipping at

IHateStevenSinger.com, but hurry, these will not be restocked and supplies limited. That's IHateStevenSinger.com.

Need groceries in a flash? Acme's got you covered. With their fresh grocery delivery or pickup, you can get all the essentials in 30 minutes or less. That's right, 30 minutes. Whether you're at home or on the go, Acme makes shopping easier and faster than ever. Get the same prices as in-store. Skip the line and don't miss any of the digital deals and rewards. So why wait? Download the Acme mobile app today and experience the convenience of flash grocery delivery or pickup. Acme, the official supermarket of the Preston & Steve Show.

Steve sent me this story yesterday. I thought this was, I was happy to read this story. Yeah, it is a feel-good story. It's sad because it is a young man died at an early age, but there was a secret that he was hiding that I thought was kind of sweet. So his name was Mats Steen. He's Norwegian, Mats Steen. And he had debilitated.

debilitating muscular disease, Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Yes. And it kept him confined to his apartment. But after his death, he died at 25. His parents discovered he had a secret online life that filled him with joy. Trude and Robert Steen found out that he had a popular and fulfilling social life through his personal blog and his online role playing in the video game World of Warcraft, which

which is an MMO, a massive multiplayer online game. And so his parents and sister Mia knew that he would spend hours online using special equipment to accommodate for his disability. But until his death, they had no idea. They believed that his life was a

Yeah. And a sad existence. They did what they could for him, but it was soon after he died that they began to receive hundreds and hundreds of emails from strangers who seemed to know him very, very well. Isn't that amazing? Yep. I mean, conducting relationships. Yep. They had found that he had found relationships and even some romance among the gaming community. I thought that was a really sweet story. And he never told anyone?

No. I guess he didn't indicate. No, they knew he was gaming. Right, but they didn't know how big he was in the community. In other words, his body was failing him, but he could escape into this

There's an episode of Star Trek, you know, but the pilot, the menagerie about and then the story of Christopher Pike, where he is, you know, relegated to this sort of wheelchair contraption. But this race offers him the ability to go into a fantasy world and live his life unencumbered by his physical body. Yeah. And that's what this is like. I wonder if he knew.

What? Yeah, he did. Like what an impact he had. Yeah, so the first thing new of his secret life came after they announced his death on his online blog on which there was an email address for users to contact the family. And Matt's parents and sisters have been expecting a few replies, but were not prepared for the reality as they were inundated by hundreds of strangers writing to them. Also, Matt's was known by a completely different name. It was Ibelin Redmoor.

was his online name, who was a heroic nobleman and monster slayer with mats controlling every move and also while he was sitting alone in an apartment upstairs from his parents.

He had built up an extensive network of friends over the years and had become known for his kindness and empathy. Like many parents, they had actually discouraged him from spending too much time online and suggested that he try to foster connections in the real world. Yeah. They said, we thought he lived, for many reasons, a wasted life. And then we get these stories sharing just the opposite. Wow.

And they said the sad thing was we were very strong on condemning the time that they were spending in that world. And that condemnation was based on a five-minute analysis. They didn't really look too deep into it. But, yeah, and I could see where they might beat themselves up, you know, because they were trying to do what they thought was best for him and wanted actual physical. But for him, he had found something.

he'd found a world that he could have sway over in a way he couldn't in the physical world. Yeah. So my, my son spends a lot of time online gaming. He's, uh, mildly on the autism spectrum. Yeah. And so, you know, it concerns us, uh, to some extent. Uh, but I also see it as it's, it's social. Yeah. It is social. It can be very much that way for certain people. Uh,

Even easier socially. You know what I mean? Yeah, go ahead. And I know. I'll say that with my son because I don't think he ever really like spent like an enormous amount of time gaming. Like not in such a way where I was like, dude, you got to like slow it down. He's not getting lost in it. No. And I encouraged it because I would say 95% of the time he was –

playing with his friends somewhere. You know what I mean? And it was only those times where I'm like, hey, who are you playing with? And if you'd be like, nobody, I'm like, alright, well then let's go have a football catch or something. You know what I mean? I'm having a football catch online. But if you're playing with your buddy Luke or Christian or whoever, you're hanging out with your friends. I do the same thing. I'm like, well, if you're not playing with anyone, then come on, we're going to go do something. You're going to work with succulents. And besides just gaming too,

I'm curious if people have had meaningful relationships, not necessarily with the opposite sex, but a very strong friendship with somebody they've never met face-to-face before. It's never happened to me that I can recall of where you feel that you are truly a very close friend of this person that you've never actually physically been next to before. Well, that's his story. Yeah. And I guarantee you...

You know, it does happen, though it may be alien, you know, to us. But, you know, we talked about you playing the Harry Potter game and, you know, you can get lost in that. Sure. I mean, you can to some degree, you know. I wonder, like, message boards, like the YouTube followers here. Oh, yeah. I mean, they have a nice community. That's a really good example, yeah. In fact, many of them have never met and they were talking about getting together for the first time at Camp Out for 100 this year, which is really cool.

I have a lot of Instagram friends that I've never met in real life. And a lot of that for me is based around the Dave Matthews band. And it's a really cool, supportive community, one another. And sometimes you end up at the same shows and sometimes you don't. But like it's a musical bond, right? And so you're able to connect to them on that level. Whether or not you've actually spent any time with them, you have a bond. And I enjoy that. I think it's – sorry, I got to do this for a second. I think it's similar to the way people talk about –

When they meet us out and about, like they haven't, like, oh, I feel like you're a friend. And I said, you are a friend. It's just that we have not, we haven't completed this part of the relationship, but you are a friend. There's a word I read the other day, Stephen, I wish I would have written it down. And it's something along the lines of a parasocial relationship. And it means a one-sided relationship. In that we have that sometimes with some of our members of our audience who,

are speaking to each other here in the room, but we're also speaking directly to somebody else who's listening on the other side. And we do have a relationship. We do. But it's only, it's

It's a one-way relationship, which is kind of interesting. By the way, if you want to call our Xfinity mobile guest line, 215-263-WMMR. All right, so this is a little bit different and going to date me, but I think I was probably in elementary school. And we, our class, or it may have even been the entire grade, wrote to the soldiers who were in Iraq in the Gulf War. And I kept...

a pen pal relationship with my soldier, I mean, for years, past the grade and the class that I was in. And I recently found one of the letters. I was going through old photos and I found the letter in with the photos and his name was Roman and I can't remember his last name. When was the last time you corresponded with him? Steve, I don't know. I mean, school age. You didn't carry it past school. Yeah, didn't carry it past that. But yeah, and I tried...

Go ahead, Preston. We got to get a hold of this guy. That's what I was going to say to you is I found the letter and I was like, oh, I wonder if I could... Because I searched him on social media and I can't find him. Let's... We can... Someone can help. Okay, I'm going to... We've got to do this. We got to talk to this guy. And I have to ask my mom because I...

I thought – Kathy, it's great to reconnect. I run a birdwashing society. Did you try LinkedIn? I have a hot fruit company. Love it! Case, I did not try LinkedIn. I think LinkedIn is a good – because there's a lot of people who don't do social – whether it be Instagram or Facebook or whatever. But if they're a professional –

They might be on LinkedIn. So I have the letter and I do have his full name. So I will grab that letter tonight and I'll bring it in. Oh, that would be awesome. There's a comment on a YouTube on our YouTube stream right now. And it's from this guy. No pro go pronto. And he says something that I disagree with. But I'm curious as to what you guys think. He says, if you've never met them, then they aren't, quote, your friends.

And I think that's not true. I think you can be very good friends with somebody even if you've actually – in this day and age or even with a pen pal, like you –

That was your friend. And you were his friend. And when I found that letter, I was like, oh, my God, I would love to find him. Yeah. It's the same way, I think, also in the – and you actually were conversing back and forth. And so that was a part of the friendship. But even like with a listener who comes up, you have invested time in supporting the show and tying into things, even if we haven't conversed directly back and forth.

Those are elements of a friendship, you know, with the loyalty or the being dialed into things. And you rely on us for something. So there's an exchange that's going on that I think would be true of many friendships. Yeah, and I would disagree with the person that posted that comment, Nick. I think on some occasions it could even be a more intimate relationship than that.

than in person if you're just sharing thoughts back and forth. You're not distracted by the boobies. Let's be honest here. I mean, come on. I want to go to some calls. A lot of people are chiming in on this. I want to go to Ray. Hi, Ray. Good morning. Hi, good morning. How are you? Good, man. You have a situation where you've been friends with people, never met them before. Yes, I am.

I am actually a recovering alcoholic, and I've made numerous friends through Zoom meetings. Like, you can't attend a meeting in person, and you get their phone number, and you text with them, and you see them every week at the same meetings, and it's just a really good way to meet people. Like, it's another way of networking for me being a recovering alcoholic and having friends

you know, just people that I can reach out to in times of need and necessity. Yeah, Ray, who's somebody who's had, what do you think the longest relationship you've had with someone that way? Well, I've been sober now for seven months. Okay. Almost eight months, and probably within the first two weeks of getting sober, I made

in groups over Zoom that I still communicate with today. And you feel like they are a legitimate friend? Absolutely. That's cool. I have a friend named Mark who lives in Ontario who I...

who I text with every day, you know, just, you know, spiritual good mornings and well wishes and, you know, just check in. How is your family? How was your weekend? Listen, and that is, that's awesome. I think we talk about, and we were reminded about the importance of in-person physical, you know, interaction during the lockdown and stuff like that and how badly it impacted people. But I also think,

That if you don't have those options, or I don't think it's something you can completely dismiss with Zoom, with the ability to communicate this way. We talk about therapy. People who might not have done therapy in person would do it over Zoom or the methods that are available now. And that's a big gain. Yeah, actually, every Wednesday I do a Zoom therapy meeting.

I've never met my therapist, but we've been together for almost probably over two years. Okay. All right. Ray, thank you, man. Appreciate it. Good luck with everything too, by the way. Have a great day. You too. I, yeah, I wouldn't, I would certainly never indicate replacing right. Uh, in person relationships with this type of, of, of a relationship, but I still think it's, it's valid because somebody who is incredibly, um, it, it, not good in person is socially awkward. Absolutely. By simply clicking on the, the,

You don't want this again to be the complete solution. No, but it's right for some people. It's right for some people. Yeah. I'm going to go to, this sounds interesting. I'm going to go to Julie. Hi, Julie. Is it Julie Jerkoff? Sorry. Julie Jerkoff. Hi, Julie. You have to understand. Yeah. What's up, Julie?

So I was like most parents and felt that the gaming was taking up way too much of my son's time until my son decided to get married. And I thought he was crazy because he invited one of his gamer friends to be in his wedding. Now, he had never, ever met this gamer friend in person until his rehearsal dinner. And they've been friends for probably eight or nine years now. Wow. What was that meeting like, Julie?

It was phenomenal. They knew so much about each other, and they had gotten along so well. Is he easy to pick out in the wedding pictures because he's wearing a headset? No, go ahead, Julie.

Yeah, believe it or not, they did. Oh, that's great. It was one of those, like, this is how we know each other. I love it. That's great. And he flew in from a different state, and he stayed with my son. My two brother-in-laws are big gamers, and we just had a 40th birthday party for my brother-in-law, and all his gamer friends came, and I realized how they all know my son. They all know everybody. Julie, do they now meet up in person from time to time?

Yeah, they actually now go. My son's getting ready to take a trip, yeah. That's great. You know what I also think, Julie? No, it's okay. Thanks. To what you said, there is something, the same thing that can foster a whole bunch of acrimony and bull crap when you're online and removed, also can pull off some of the, all right, I'm just going to say this. This is the way I felt about this thing. Yeah, yeah. So it can work that way as well. Yeah. And you might actually forge a relationship that, you know, is a little bit more, you

Yeah. That makes any sense. Nope. I know exactly what you're talking about. We will go to Lori, who is one of the presidency of YouTuber community members. Hi, Lori. Good morning. YouTube! I was just going to say YouTube! YouTube!

What's up, Lori? Good morning. It's Crazy Turtle, a.k.a. YouTube. Well, no, a.k.a. Lori. All right. So, yeah, it's a very large community out there between all of us. And we also have a community on Discord for a few of us to where we discuss colonoscopies, how to open a cranberry... Yep.

Cranberry sauce. Cranberry sauce jar. And I haven't met everybody, but me, Jane, and Trina met at the Pickle Fest. Oh! Yeah, we are talking about meeting up at the... Oh, came out for hunger. Okay. Would you say, Lori, that this...

Compare this friendship and this collective to friendships in what we call, we'll just say the real world. Not that it's not the real world, but like neighbors and people that you meet socially. Compare this to that kind of relationship. So the thing with us is, for me anyway, we all have one common ground is you guys. We talk about the show. We talk about your lives and stuff.

I don't know. That's the one common ground. As compared to friends that I see every day. Well, I don't see all my friends every day, but friends that I see every day, I have a common ground with them, too. Right. And so it's basically the same. It's just what it's predicated on. And there's a little bit more of the show with the online community.

Right. And it's exciting, too, if we've never seen each other before. And then, you know, we're all talking about this meetup, you know, we're all gonna be like, hey, yeah, you know, just, you know, it's cool to finally meet a face. And then there's some people out there that are in bands. So we have a little area to where we talk about where they're going to be like Sap Sapio.

We're all going to be playing, and some of us meet up there. And so, yeah, no, it's fun to have this little community. I love that. Laurie, how many of the people in the YouTube community do you think that you know what they look like? Well, on Discord, we share pictures of each other, so I do know what some of them look like. Who looks the best naked?

I think Julie Jerkoff. Julie Jerkoff. Julie Jerkoff. Excuse me, Jerkoff. All right, excellent. Lori, well, we hope to see you guys at Camp Out for Hunger. Oh, you're going to see us. Excellent. Yeah, it's going to be a big crowd, and yeah, you'll find us. Excited for that. All right, thank you, Lori. Appreciate it. All right, thanks, guys. All right, we'll see you later.

Who's been on hold longest? I'm going to go to, yeah, let me go to, let's see here. Kristen. Hi, Kristen. Good morning.

Hi, good morning. How are you? Great. What's up, Kristen? My grandson met his best friend online playing PlayStation. And they were eight years old. And we live in Jersey. And the other kid lives in Ohio. So this summer we went to Ohio and picked the kid up and brought him back for a month. And he stayed here at our house for a month. How old is he now?

17. 17. So they've been chatting since eight years old. They've been gaming and chatting since eight. And they finally got to meet. You guys went and picked him up in Ohio and brought him back for a month?

Yes, we did. Oh, my God. That is pretty cool. Do his parents know where he is? No, I didn't know if his parents would go for it because we had never met before. Yeah. And I would be a little leery on sending my kid to Ohio, but her and I have talked a lot over the past nine years. Okay.

And, you know, we kind of know each other, too. But it's unbelievable that these kids are best friends over the Internet. Do you know what? I'd say this, and you probably can...

correlated to this, Kristen, is like Kathy talking about having a pen pal. It's the same thing, you know, and you can massage your friendship along and that's where they are. And they're still friends and going strong. Yeah, they've been through so much together. They cry together. They laugh together. They just, it's crazy. Did they have a good time on the visit?

Oh, yes. Yes. They had a blast. That's great. I love it. Thank you, Kristen. Appreciate you sharing the story. Have a great day. You too. All right. Let's see. Brandon's been on hold for a while. Hi, Brandon. Good morning, bud.

Hey, good morning, guys. Sorry to bother you at work. Nah, it's all good. What's up, man? First of all, let me say what an honor it is to follow up Julie Jerkoff on the air today. Not everyone gets that honor. Julie Jerkoff. Forgive me, Kirkhoff. What's up, man? Yo,

So I just wanted to share a story because ever since, I guess, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, I don't know if that was 2011, 2012 or so. Yeah. There's a bunch of us. A bunch of us grew up in, like, Philly. But we connected with some guys that grew up in, like, Virginia, North Carolina. One lives in Oregon now. Back home to Oregon. Back home? Okay. Back home to Oregon. Who was that? Was that Jimmy? Jimmy! Jimmy!

but uh... yet so ever since then we've connected uh... one of them actually came up a bit of a couple times we went out and then party didn't pick that up up and uh... but big it actually we've known each other for almost fifteen years now and uh...

It's actually like tradition at this point that Sundays we get on and we just kind of BS with each other and just kind of game or whatever on Xbox. I love that. Is it a different dynamic, Brandon, than your close personal friends, the other group? Nope. We talk to each other like we actually are friends. We know what's going on in each other's lives. Obviously, we don't invite people to come hang out in real life because it

It's kind of a journey, but yeah, no, we're actually friends. We talk. We know what's going on in each other's lives. Love it. It's fun. It's a lot of fun. Listen, so as people sort of try to reason this out and say, is this a negative or a positive, it seems to be that, you know. Yeah.

It depends on how you approach it, but we're hearing a lot of positive stories. I mean, you can... Listen, you can waste away your time too much diving into games and things like that and avoiding real-life responsibilities and things like that, but... Buying Amazon gifts for an OnlyFans model. If you've got this...

community that you're legitimately socializing with and they've become you've bonded with these people it's a real relationship we have time for one more call and then we gotta take a break so I'm gonna go to Alex who's been on hold for a while Alex good morning to you sir

Hey, yeah, so I played a game called World of Warcraft for about 10, 15 years. And I built like a close group of friends, about 15 to 20 people. So I visited a bunch of people in California, Chicago, like Toronto, and I've had people come visit me as well. So overall, in this communal experience, has it been very fulfilling? Are you having friends that have poured it over into, quote unquote, the real world? Has this been a very positive experience for you?

Oh, yeah, definitely. I still keep in touch with these people. And this was high school, college, my formidable years, making a lot of friends. People I would hang out with every other night. We'd have groups that group up and do things. Like I said, people visit me, even met a hookup or two through this game. There you go. How much hooking up is taking place within the game itself?

I mean, at one point there was ads or something I saw where it's like World of Warcraft had more relationships than eHarmony and stuff. Probably a lot. Wow. Yeah, that's wild. Thanks, Alex. Appreciate it, man. Well, this whole conversation got started. It's a story of this guy named Matt Steen.

He was in Norway, 25 years old, had Duchenne muscular dystrophy, passed away. His parents had thought it was a sad kind of existence. He had an apartment upstairs and he would spend all his time playing World of Warcraft and they thought that he just lived this isolated life.

Meanwhile, he had this huge community of people who loved him and were friends with him. And these were real relationships to them. And they didn't find this out until after he died. They posted that he had passed away. And they got hundreds and hundreds of emails. So they've made a Netflix documentary. Oh, really? Yeah. And it's called The Remarkable Life of Eiblin. So that was his online name in the game was Eiblin Redmoor.

And so I'm not sure. Actually, it comes out on Friday. Oh, there you go. So this will be worth checking out. But his parents were blown away by this whole thing. And I get choked up thinking about it. But, you know, he was living...

for him, what he was available or able to do, a productive and a fruitful life with friends and relationships and all this stuff. Not hampered by his physicality. That's an amazing thing. So thank you for sharing your stories. I apologize to Lauren. I didn't even mean to say it like that.

I apologize. I apologize. Lauren's been on hold for a long time. Her stepson made friends gaming at six years old, still friends at 19. I apologize. Kenny met his girlfriend, a gaming friend of 15 years, in person just two weeks ago. I apologize. And I apologize to all of you, and Melissa, too, for hanging out. Just referring back to the YouTube community real quick, I think Sap Sapio wanted everybody to know that he had a— everybody in the Delaware Valley wanted them to know that he had a colonoscopy this week. Oh! All right. Yeah.

And apparently he used that as a method by which to open a can of cranberries. Exactly. A lot of people don't know a colonoscopy or one of those things you can open cranberry with. There you go, Seth. All right. Thank you for the calls. We are going to take a break. We're going to come back in a second. We've got the bizarre following the way, so hang out. Got an Alexa device? Tell her Alexa, play 93.3 WMMR to stream us live.

As for you Google device users, just yell at it until it cooperates. I don't know.

Now, back with more of the Preston and Steve Show podcast. Hey, how often do you call your mom? Every day, once in a blue moon maybe? Well, show the moms in your life how appreciated they are with Steven Singer's brand new limited edition 24 karat gold dipped blue moon rose for Mother's Day. It's the perfect rose for your mother, the mother in your life, anybody you call mother. It's glorious, it's a beautiful color, it'll be a hit. Skip flowers that die in a week, Steven's famous gold dipped roses are real roses dipped in real 24 karat gold guaranteed to last a lifetime. Blue moon is available only at Steven Singer Jewelers. Always free shipping at

IHatesStevenSinger.com. But hurry, these will not be restocked and supplies limited. That's IHatesStevenSinger.com. Hungry and in a hurry? Acme's Flash Grocery Delivery or Pickup gets you fresh groceries in 30 minutes or less.

Fast, fresh, and right to your door. Acme, fresh foods, local flavors. We love having our next guest on at any point in time. He's the best. He's talking about a new children's book out, Detective Duck, The Case of the Missing Tadpole. Love it.

And his memoir, Being Henry, as well, which is just delightful. Please welcome the one and only Mr. Henry Winkler to our show. Good morning, Henry. Oh, my goodness. My heart is soaring with that yell. Thank you, Henry. We love you so much. It's easy to yell for you, man. Thank you.

So you're continuing to author these books. This is just, man, have you run with this. And I read your memoir, which absolutely loved, loved, loved so much. And you open up your personal life in a way that I did not expect and the good and the bad and all of that. But, you know, you spent so much time in it discussing your dyslexia and how you overcame that. And then you become an author. How ironic is that? Yeah.

It is shocking that the newest Duck Detective, it's the second one in the series. At the moment, there will be four, but this new one, The Case of the Missing Tadpole, comes out October 13th. And it is for emerging readers. And this little duckling is funny, and she dreams about being a detective, and she's also an environmentalist. She's a detective.

She solves problems with her pond squad that would endanger their beautiful pond in New Hampshire. I love this idea. The last time we had you on, I think it was for the Hollywood vs. the Galaxy show,

Oh, my goodness. Yes, the alien superstar. Right. And I remember reading a number of reviews about your books, and it's 30-plus at this point. And they were saying, they were pointing out that even though they are geared towards a younger audience, that everyone can find –

inherent humor in it. So it's obviously, it's like these animated movies that come out that keep parents or older people in mind for enjoying the material as well, correct? Yes, we tried to do that, absolutely. And I'm very proud of it. This is our 40th children's book. Wow! Now, I couldn't read growing up. Yes! Right.

Right. It is shocking to me. I'm telling you, outside my family, I think this is the proudest thing I've ever accomplished in my life. It's amazing. By the way, Henry's going to be at the Doylestown Bookshop on the 16th, and there's a signing for the book, so you're invited to come out and meet him in person and pick up the book online.

And I will not leave until every human being has their book signed. We have every confidence that'll be the case. You didn't even have to tell us. That's true. And then the memoir, which was, can I brag? Please. It was...

It was on the New York Times bestseller list for 11 weeks in a row. Nice. There was so much... It's coming out in paperback. Oh. Because if it's really difficult to carry, like, you know, a heavy hard-bought cover book...

There was so much that I enjoyed about it, like I had mentioned your family issues that you had and your dyslexia. But obviously, you covered the big stuff in your career. And if you wouldn't mind, Henry, sharing with people, because I enjoyed it so much. There was a moment when you were in the height of your television fame. You were at an event with some of the other cast members of Happy Days.

The crowd got too big and things were getting out of hand. And then you did something only the Fonz could do. Could you share that, please? Yes. Usually ABC and Paramount would send out two of us, either Don Most, Anson Williams, Ron Howard, and me. They would send two of us to a city and we would make a personal appearance in order to get interest for our new show.

This time in Dallas, they sent all four. And we went to the flagship of Neiman Marcus. And 25,000 people showed up in the parking lot to say hi. Now, Donnie Most got really nervous when there were crowds. He always, what are we going to do? We're never going to get out of here. Oh, my God, what happens if they all move forward? I'm going to be crushed. Yeah.

and i said don't worry it will be ok and i turned to the crowd and i improvised i said alright let me tell you something

You're going to part like the Red Sea. And you're not going to touch us. And I am telling you, there was a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I turned to where I thought the sound was coming from, and I said, hey.

Up yours. I'm not sure. And then you heard, he is so cool. Oh, my God. In keeping with the character. Amazing. That is awesome. Amazing. And then we got in the car and left, and Donnie calmed down. Nice. Well, in addition to the book, you have a very cool thing. The American Horror Story is coming up. This is Ryan Murphy. And there's a cool story.

because you have a familial connection to this, correct? I'm telling you, this is an amazing thing. My son, my youngest son, Max, 11 years old, I take him to see Bottle Rocket by Wes Anderson. Oh, great movie. He says to me,

i'm going to do that i said okay and now he is 41 he is a major director works a lot with ryan murphy uh he has just done grotesquerie and the menendez brothers he not only directs episodes he also runs the show wow so now he's running american horror stories and he calls me up he said dad

I've got a part for you. My son is hiring. From what I understand, too, one of his schoolmates, who you knew, is also involved. The director...

Matt Spicer was in Max's class at USC in the cinema school. That's great. And Matt spent the entire cinema school in my house eating us out of house and home. And now I am working for both of them. Wow. That's great.

So I'm standing on the set. It is freezing cold. I said, hey, can I get a cup of coffee? They bring me a paper cup of coffee, and on it is written,

Daddy Winkler. My heart flew out of my body. That is wonderful. That is very cool. I love all that stuff. Are you, by nature, a horror movie fan? I have never seen one. I would not watch it with somebody else's eyes. But you will do it for your son. I saw Jaws when I was in drama school. I was sitting...

In row B. When the shark came out of the water, I was sitting in row A. That's great. That's great. I have to ask you because, you know, the, uh, the water boy was on the other day and, and I know that was sort of, you, you had a sort of a fallow period in your career and that helped revitalize things. But I have to ask, uh,

By any chance did you keep that afro that you wore? Oh, in the younger scene? No. Yeah.

I kept the high heels. That was so hilarious. And obviously you're a Yale-trained actor, and Ron Howard made reference to it. By the way, it was great seeing you at the Emmy Awards with Ron Howard hitting the jukebox. So what is cool is that the way you embraced –

With your training, you know, stuff like the Sandler films and all these things. And we have fun through you, obviously, having fun as part of these movies. But you know what? That is my job. It is not only to be trained as an actor. We are trained to be in it. If you're going to sign the dotted line, if you're going to put your name on the contract, if you're going to commit, then commit fully.

And don't, you know, there is a story I tell a lot. When I graduated from Yale, I went to the Yale Repertory Theater and I earned $172. And then I went to New York and I couldn't really get a Broadway play. I tried as hard as I could, but I could get commercials. And everybody that I went to Yale with said,

I don't know how you can do commercials. It goes against our aesthetic grain. And then I thought to myself, I'm earning money. I'm doing plays for free at night. Their next question to me was, how do you get them? I love the anecdote in your book where you'd achieved the success that you, you know, uh,

with Happy Days and beforehand, I guess it was your instructor from Yale had kind of bad-mouthed your work and then years later had asked you to come to the school and speak or to do some sort of an official presentation and you said... To give money. Oh, to give money, that was it. Yes, the dean of the school...

who smoked a pipe and rubbed it against his cheek so that the bowl would get, you know, moist from skin oil. I don't know what that was doing. It looked ugly to me. But anyway, this man, a pretty famous critic of theater, said, I don't not only applaud Winkler's recent success, I'm not sure he has done the right thing.

The next time I hear from him, Henry, could you donate to the drama school? I said, oh, Dean Boosting, let me, you know what? I lost my checkbook. As soon as I find it, let me get right back to you. I love it. I love it, Henry. It's just the best. My goodness.

So, Henry, like I said, is going to be at the Doylestown Bookshop on the 16th. I can't wait.

You had issues with it when you were younger, and you're just kind of paying it forward. I love this. You know what we found? We found that humor was the gateway to

to our reluctant readers. So many parents have come to me, and I don't even know how to keep this in my body. So many parents have come and said, you know, you saved us. My child could not and would not read. And when he found a character he could relate to,

Yours is the first book he or she ever read. And I don't know if I could do anything better outside my family. Yeah, that's how it works. Well, kudos to you. It's wonderful. Thank you, Henry. We got to run, but we love chatting with you. Continued success, and I'm sure we'll cross paths again soon.

He's gone. Oh, he's out of there. All right. There goes Henry Wayne. On the Xfinity mobile guest line. Because we have another guest who's lined up. And I'm excited to speak to him as well. Because he, amongst the many things that this man has done in his career and continues to do, was the man who sang the song that my wife and I danced to when we got married. When we first got married. And here's a little clip. Oh, yeah.

Still get goosebumps when I hear it. Ladies and gentlemen, he's talking about season two of The Irrational, which is on tomorrow night, 10 o'clock on NBC. Mr. Jesse L. Martin is on our show. Jesse, good morning.

Good morning, guys. Okay, first of all, you guys got me smiling like crazy because first I got to hear a little bit of Henry Winkler. And in all the entertainment circles I've ever been in, he's like Henry Fonda. Everybody absolutely adores him. Yes, agreed. That was cool to hear. And I cannot believe you used that song at your wedding. That's awesome.

Yeah, Jesse, we love the duet in its initial appearance in Rent. Because my wife and I saw it on Broadway five times. We just loved it. But lyrically, it's just so beautiful. And we couldn't think of something that we like better. So we took the more dour movement of it from the funeral and used that as our first dance at the wedding. But it was beautiful. And still to this day, it's so, so special to us.

Well, the crazy thing is I've been asked to sing it at

At more weddings than not. I haven't gotten a chance to do it too often because I'm usually working, but it is a wedding song for people. It's about people being in love and being in the house of love, if you will. And it's so wonderfully performed, so thank you. It absolutely is. I have to say, the season two of The Irrational, and I had not really taken a deep dive in season one, and I got caught up

because you manage to find, and it's difficult because obviously you come from law and order, and you know there are a lot of shows that are of a procedural nature, but this has such an intriguing niche that you found. Explain to people what the Irrational focuses in on.

Well, the irrational focus is we follow a professor of behavioral science who gets called in to use his skills, if you will, to help solve mysteries and crimes, some of them personal and some of them alongside the FBI. And in our second season, which starts tomorrow, I also work alongside someone who's become...

the character's girlfriend, and she used to be a spy, so there's a lot of international connections and mysteries. Yeah, what I find really interesting, and there's an episode for, you know, it explores, because we all ask these questions, why do people do these things? And obviously we know, you know, reprehensible killers and so on and so forth, but why someone might admit to a crime they didn't commit, or why someone, these things that seem complete aberrations...

but the show delves into that element, and you are playing, you're basically based on a real-life person, correct? Absolutely, yeah. It's based on a man named Dan Ariely, who's also a professor, but gets called in to help not only solve mysteries, but help CEOs learn about behavior, learn how to...

I guess manipulate is not a great word, but learn how to read situations to their benefit. Well, I think it's an interesting thing. I think all of this stuff, whether it be, you know, procedurals or a peek into the psychology. I mean, we're professionally fascinated by this stuff and why what motivates people with all your years of law and order and this.

You ever think about taking a crack and popping on a badge and going after the bad guys? I was thinking the same thing.

Absolutely not. That job is very, very difficult, and I'm imagining it takes an emotional toll on you because we're talking about real life and real crimes and real tragedies. I'm just playing the guy on a television show, and that's my niche. That's where I belong. I have such respect for people who work in the real world of solving these kinds of crimes and mysteries.

Because it cannot be easy on the soul. Well, at the end of season one, your ex has been kidnapped or has gone missing, correct? And so now that leaves you with a bit of a cliffhanger. And that's where we pick up in season two.

Absolutely. And she's not my ex. She's actually my longstanding girlfriend. And she does get kidnapped at the end of season one. And we start our season two trying to find out what happened to Rose. Her name is Rose.

Jesse, I want to switch gears for just a second because we played the clip of you singing and was reading that you recently completed production on this biopic about Marvin Gaye, sexual healing. I am so excited that his story is going to be told and that they have a wonderful vocalist who's going to be playing the part. Can you tell us a little bit about that film and what we can expect?

Well, what I can tell you will disappoint you because we actually didn't finish that film. Oh. And I don't see it coming out. No! Oh, man. Oh, that's too bad. Because when the subject came up, yeah, we thought, what a perfect bit of casting. Yeah.

Well, it was fun. I mean, the little bit that I did get to do, it's something I'd wanted to do for a really long time, but for various reasons that I can't even discuss. It just didn't finish. So it's just out there in the ether now. Yeah, it's Hollywood, man. It's the scene. It happens so many times. Well, so do...

I mean, you've been so busy with the TV shows and stuff that you've been doing. Are you able to get back up onto the stage or any plans of that in the future? I would love to. I mean, that is where I come from. The theater is the thing that built me. It's my church, if you will. I will go back to Broadway anytime Broadway will have me. It's probably the best acting experience ever.

uh... that i've ever had and you know i have to say that the theater saved my life as a kid i made it you know in the same way i'm hearing henry winkler today talk about how much influence he's been able to have on young readers like the same thing has happened in the theater for me i was a kid who was influenced by theater professionals who took me in it was a whole village of people who said hey this is a great place to belong

And I would certainly do the same thing for younger people now going into the theater. And Broadway is a big champion of that. Yeah, you said it brought you out of your shell as a kid and turned everything around. I wanted to bring up, I was a huge fan of The X-Files, and you were in one of my absolute favorite episodes called The Unnatural that I believe David Duchovny wrote and directed. And any memories of that? Because it's sort of a baseball turn that I love.

Well, it was a phenomenal experience. I wasn't even schooled on the X-Files. I, of course, knew what it was, but I hadn't really watched it. And it was because of Brent that I ended up in that episode. I got a call from my manager who said...

David Duchovny wants to talk to you. And I was like, uh, the David, but like, I was like, David. And he's like, yeah, he wants to talk to you. And he got on the phone and he said, how would you like to play a baseball loving alien? And I was like, who doesn't want to do that? Yeah.

And it was one of the first times that somebody just called and offered me something like that. So I was feeling great in my young career, you know, got a great show on Broadway, and then suddenly, you know, someone like Dave Duchovny called, and...

I gotta say, first of all, the guy is a great writer. He's a fantastic director. He was so easy to work with. And he made it just a complete joy to work there every single day. And it was a cool part. I mean, who gets to play an alien?

Yeah, no, it was great. It was just, you know, in a career of standouts, it's definitely another moment. And honestly, The Irrational, and I, in preparation, started watching, and it is a solid show, and I love where it's going. Thank you. Thank you very much. Well, it premieres tomorrow night, 10 p.m. on NBC. Jesse, great to catch up with you. Thanks for joining us, and continued success.

Thank you, guys. You got it. Jesse L. Martin, guys. Great singer. Great actor. The whole thing. And on our Xfinity mobile guest line, thank you for calling in, Jesse. Didn't even get to bring up the flash. That's right. Thank you.

So I said the DC universe as well. Dude, that sucks that the Marvin Gaye thing is perfect. Casting had had ended. That's too bad. We have a little bit of a budget. Can we make about getting it completed? Can we have Casey starring as Marvin Gaye? Is that pretty good, right? That's really good. That's after he has that horrible throat accident.

Somebody draws a chainsaw across his eye. I think he was, wasn't he murdered by his father? His father shot him, yeah. That's insane. And then he shot him once and then he did start cleaning his room and then he killed him. Oh, no. Yeah, it was really a weird story. And I remember as it started to unfold, everybody was going, what prompted him to do that? Because they had had a pretty good relationship. Wow, very weird. All right, we'll stay put. We'll be back in just a moment.

Is your phone an app hole? You know, full of useless apps taking up space. Well, get rid of them and get the WMMR app. You can listen to us wherever you go, get important alerts and so much more. Because, after all, the world needs less app holes.

Now, back with more of the Preston and Steve Show podcast. Hey, how often do you call your mom? Every day, once in a blue moon maybe? Well, show the moms in your life how appreciated they are with Steven Singer's brand new limited edition 24 karat gold dipped blue moon rose for Mother's Day. This is the perfect rose for your mother, the mother in your life, anybody you call mother. It's glorious. It's a beautiful color. It'll be a hit. Skip flowers that die in a week.

Steven's famous gold-dipped roses are real roses dipped in real 24-karat gold guaranteed to last a lifetime. Blue Moon is available only at Steven Singer Jewelers. Always free shipping at IHateStevenSinger.com. But hurry, these will not be restocked and supplies limited. That's IHateStevenSinger.com. Hungry and in a hurry? Acme's Flash Grocery Delivery or Pickup gets you fresh groceries in 30 minutes or less.

Fast, fresh, and right to your door. Acme, fresh foods, local flavors. In the celebrity trash yesterday, I had passed along a story that slipped by me. I did not see this, but I've never heard of anybody saying this before.

before. I've heard never in my life I've heard somebody say this. The opposite all the time. I've never heard this. Do you want me to read from the Today Show? I just want to set this up with when doing your business, specifically

We'll go ahead and say that right now. I think that we are at our most vulnerable as human beings. Well, in nature alone, look at when you take your dog for a walk and the dog takes the dump, the dog will look at you because the dog is looking for a fight or flight response from you because all animals feel the most vulnerable during that dump. I think you've said before that the dog is saying when they look at you like, you got my

back, right? Right. If something goes down, bro, yeah, I'm in the middle of a turd. Yeah, you're covering me, right? I always think if I walk into where the cat's litter box is and they look at me, I always think they're like, you're creepy. What are you doing? Get out of here. Oh, so you're into this? What are you, blind? What, does this get you off?

But did you say we have a clip of this? Well, actually, I have the article from the Today Show. I sent it over to you. Yeah. So she writes. This is Tori Spelling. Tori Spelling. But there's one thing she won't do by herself talking about Tori Spelling. She said on her April 8th episode of the podcast Miss Spelling. You get it. I still don't poop alone. She continued. Bo, her son, said.

still stands there and talks to me while I'm pooping. And she points out that other family members, including her husband, she feels most comfortable and most regular when there's someone in the bathroom with her. And I'm like, how in the F? I'm a thousand percent the opposite. Yes, I go to great lengths.

to be alone. Yes. When we're talking about public bathrooms, the only time where I'm not as concerned is when we're all essentially just a herd of cattle, like at the airport. And, you know, there's all those stalls and like they're all full. It's like, okay. I'll do it. I'll do it. You still have a divider. Yeah. You're standing in a regular residential bathroom. It's not like you have a stall. Right. Oh, and forget about the Marine Corps. Yeah. Yeah.

Like full metal jacket. Full metal jacket. Like, come on, man. You know, where you could pretty much, you know, rub legs together while you're crapping necks of the guy next to you.

So I'm curious. Is there anybody listening right now who feels more comfortable when there are other people around when you're doing your business? I'm going to guess nobody calls in. 215-263-WMMR. I've never heard of this before. So not only – listen, I'm all about courtesy flushes. I am all about – I'll wait if someone is coming to pee. If I'm in the stall and someone comes into the bathroom and someone comes into –

pee, I kind of stall things in the stall so I'm not putting on a fireworks display. Hey, I'm a little noisy when I go to the bathroom. Yeah.

Oh my God. I don't mean like that. Dude. Dude. Isn't that awesome? Isn't that... Steve is so proud of that clip right now. Well, because he followed you into the bathroom, Chad. If you could see his face, he is so proud. And he was like, it's awesome, isn't it? It's great. It's great. And I have a smaller version. Oh, wow. It's one of my favorites. Go ahead. Oh, all right. Yeah, you can follow that. You have the floor now. Okay, so...

So I had a friend in college who, if we were out in... Don't worry, Kathy. Nobody's listening anymore. We're good. Everybody tuned out. If we were out in... She had to use a public restroom. So if we were on campus at a class or whatever, we had a lot of classes together. If we were at class and she had to go to the bathroom, she would say, can you just come in the bathroom with me and make noise so in case somebody else comes in? Oh, okay.

Well, you guys know what I said, right? No. Get the hell out of here. Find someone else to go to the bathroom with you. I can understand the impetus for it, though. We've talked a long time about how the pristinely quiet room is not conducive to laying some cable. So she wanted somebody...

Right, right.

and someone walks in, do you do a little clearing of the throat? Or a little sniff? Or just make a human noise? You like to let them know you're there? There's somebody in here. I flush the toilet. And Preston, when that happens, I know you and I are exactly the same. If I walk in, I don't care what the story is. If I walk in, I will go to another bathroom. I don't.

I'll go on the tour because if someone is already in the bathroom taking a dump in one of the stalls, a urinal is no problem. I got that. That's no problem. But when you're committed to something like that, I'm like, do I really want to have a communal dump and I will look for a bathroom? And we have a number of them within a walk that we go to. So I agree with you. I'll walk in and I wonder what people think when I walk in and they're in there and I just immediately walk right out. Yeah.

But I assume other people do that as well. I do it. Yeah. I do it. And if they, yeah, usually somebody, if there are people in the stall. Right. And I'll just turn around and come out. That's the urinal. Whatever. And when I hear other people do it too. Yeah. And I'm like, thank you. Yeah, bro. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. Now I get to business. I mean. Okay. Okay. As a parent, I have definitely taken many a dump.

With an audience, you know, and you just can't get around it when you have like little kids. So kids, I get like a two or three year old, but she's talking older. No, I know. She's talking her ex-husband. Yeah. I don't know how old her son is because she had mentioned him in her article or whatever you read. So I don't know how old he is. But yeah, at a certain point, my kids didn't want to be in the bathroom with me anymore. Yeah. I mean, but still she's but she makes the point and I'd never heard this before that that

That helps her with her burden. Yeah, I don't know how that... Yeah, and then when it comes down to the cleanup afterwards, that's the time where I absolutely... You feel like, that's the time. That's when I feel the most vulnerable. Yes. I'm like, you guys need to get out for a second. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to see this. No, no. Hang on, I'm going to go to Marissa. Hi, Marissa, good morning. Hi, good morning, how are you?

Wonderful, Marissa. You sound like you can poop around other people. Yeah, yeah. If I have to go, I am going. Yeah.

All right, so what do you prefer? What's your best, your favorite scenario? Especially, like, when I'm home, like, I need to have the door open. Like, regardless if there's company, if it's just my fiance or me, like, I need the door open. It's just, like, a comfort thing of mine. So let me ask you, would you find it hard to defecate were the door not open? Yeah, honestly, like, when I'm at work and I'm in a stall, I, like...

choke up, essentially. Are you a little claustrophobic? I would say so, like, especially, like, I'm just not comfortable in, like, a confined space. Like, if I can't have an open...

exit. Then I'm like, I can sort of see that to me. It works. So we have eight cats in my house. So when I go into the bathroom and I close the door and they open the door to come in, time slows down because now the door is open while I'm taking a dump. And I'm like, it's like, I can't stand it. I'm obviously locked on the ball, but you're saying that would be a plus for you. Yeah, definitely. Even like when I'm home, like my dog is my number one audience when I go to the bathroom.

Marissa, when you – so do you have multiple bathrooms? Because you were saying even if you have guests, you need to have the door open. But, like, do you at least have a bathroom that's –

Separate front. If you have guests in the living room, you're not putting with the door open there. You can go up to your bathroom or whatever. Hey, who's winning? I have a master bedroom and a guest bathroom. But if they're guests, like if I got to go, I'm going to the closest one. Door open. I don't care. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it, Marissa. Yeah, I didn't think about a claustrophobic thing.

Yeah. Situation. Well, you have a sub-toilet room in your bathroom, don't you? Like there's a separate... Yeah, there's like a little water closet. Right, a water closet. Yeah. That might be claustrophobic for some people. Let me ask you about the cat thing, Steve, because we used to, we had cats as well, and I didn't like them coming into the bathroom when I was doing my business, and I think I had in the back of my mind like this would never happen. Right.

but I had maybe a fear that their tail might come around and catch some poop on it. I don't think that's ridiculous. You know what I mean? So I'm fine with them in the room. Getting their fur. At home, 90% of the time when I'm taking a dump, there's a cat in a cat bed next to the toilet. My cat, Hubert, loves to be in the bathroom, so I bought him a bed. But, yeah, I don't like things when they slalom when I'm sitting on the –

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's because of that. If there's a toilet bowl in between you, there's still the thought that that tail might get up there and get some. You guys have a pooping bathroom like the bathroom. That's I'll go anywhere. I have my own bathroom. So on this on the second floor, I that that is my basically my my bathroom. And then having a bathroom on the main floor, which we just got with this house, the house of Manny Young didn't have that. We had to go upstairs.

So it's in the mudroom, appropriately named. And then Claire has her own bathroom up on the third floor. So, yeah. And I... Yeah, because we have a bathroom on our main floor. And...

That's like my pee-in bathroom. It's my jam. Yeah, my poop-in bathroom upstairs. No, I don't have a preference. I'll drop Trow and do it anywhere. Let me go to, on our Xfinity mobile guest line, the good doctor has joined us, Dr. Mike Cirigliano, Fox 29 in Penn Medicine. Good morning, Dr. Mike.

You're talking pee-pee and poo-poo today. I wanted to bring up the fact that some people have a condition known as shy bladder syndrome. Yeah, my friend is that way. It cannot be in front of other people. It's also known as stage fright.

It's a common social anxiety disorder. And, you know, when you're doing your business, like you said, a lot of people have particular needs and issues when it comes to that. So we talked about this. We actually had a coworker here, Mike, who would actually leave work,

drive home to their bathroom, and then drive back. And they lived in the city proper. Now, technically, we're just over the city line. But, I mean, it was an elaborate process. And it was predicated on what you're talking about, that sort of shyness. When you're able to get over that in life, it's one of those milestone moments because it's so liberating. But that's not indicative of any substantial medical condition, is it?

No, no, not at all. As long as your urine is coming out, you're peeing. Now, if you're peeing so many times that you're embarrassed because you have to get up and pee all the time, then you might have a big prostate or you might have a urinary tract infection or something. But it's a well-known thing. Now, you know, being in the music area, there's also one of the things I learned a long time ago, stage fright can affect performers.

And I, at one time, had a couple of Philly Orchestra patients, and you treat that with a little beta blocker. Inderal is the kind of medicine that just calms you. It doesn't sedate you, but it calms you. And if you have to give a talk, there was one study, almost half of cardiologists, when they have to give a talk, take a little Inderal. But when it comes to anxiety.

bladder syndrome, you find a bathroom where you're not sharing it. Just to jump in, you're saying that if someone has this sort of chronic shyness, you said a beta blocker? Is that what you're saying? Right. There's a medicine called Indiralt, and that's for what we call performance anxiety, not

Not in the bedroom. Right, right. In the bathroom. Yeah. So if you're giving a talk, if you're in front of people, you have to give a presentation and you have tremendous amounts of anxiety, your heart's racing. You might want to check with your health care provider about getting on. And you only take it an hour before. It's like 10 milligrams of in there out.

And that works great. And one of the first things I ever delved into, because it's a play, weddings, and talk about stress in a church. Because if you screw up on a trumpet, which was designed for the battlefield, you're going to ruin somebody's wedding. Yeah, interesting. We appreciate the input. Yeah.

Well, there you go. We went from peeing to playing the trumpet. The way God intended. All right. Thank you, Dr. Mike. Love you. Love you. All right. We'll see you, man. Chalk.

D'Amico taught me a surefire way, at least for me personally, and it works for him too. If you do have the, the P shies, if you're standing there, maybe somebody's next to you or for whatever reason, sometimes happens, you just can't get it going or it takes you to some kind of delay. And sometimes we only have a short amount of time to run to the bathroom and then get back into the studio. Um,

And Chuck taught me this trick, which is to think of a very difficult math equation. And like you take something like, you know...

357 divided by 14. Like one that you're going to have to sit there and go, okay, 14, 28, and start to run through. By the time you get to the third generation of that, you're going to the bathroom. It distracts your mind and you can release it. I've found it works

Every single time. Every single time. So it disconnects the pea shy. Yeah. All right. By the way, I want to go back to something. The gal who called in and said that she has to have the door open all the time. Right. Not necessarily in front of other people, but you know who is well known? Former president of the United States who would openly...

take a dump in front of his staffers was LBJ. Lyndon Baines Johnson would sit there and... Let's see if you can't leave me about it. An age from where the zipper ends, round under my, back to my bum hole. I think it was in the movie The Butler, was that the name of it? Yes. With Forrest Whitaker. Yep, yep, they do all the presidents. And, oh... The crotch down where your butts hang is always a little too tight.

Liev Schreiber played him in that. And he's sitting there with like four staffers around him and he's just taking a crap. Yeah. And just going, we got to do something about, you know, blah, blah, blah. There's no way on God's green earth. And now mind you, it used to be problematic using a stall, you know, but, but that ended years ago because you have that one moment that, that sort of clarifies things where you just have to do it.

He said, break your poop cherry and get going. All right, we got a couple of calls like this. I'm going to go to Daveed, who's on the line. Daveed, good morning. Gadzooks. Gadzooks, buddy. All right, what's up, man? Well, I have a feeling the reason Lyndon Johnson didn't have a problem doing it for his staffers is he probably spent some time in jail. Did you yourself, were you incarcerated at one point?

Unfortunately, in the illustrious Delaware County prison, guys in there would call it jail, not prison. Okay. Was that George Hill? And in Pinellas County down in Clearwater. Oh, wow. All right. And so that was that at first, was it difficult?

Yeah, because there's a protocol, and anybody out there never had trouble with the ball in my life, but if you're taking the number deuce, you have to flush as you go. Okay. Oh, yeah, courtesy flushes. Yeah. The button is, like, right behind your back, so it's a very awkward situation, let alone having to do it in front of your...

guy who either got arrested for jaywalking or killing somebody. Right? Well, hey, you know, you guys, your cellmate, you guys could work together, right? Hey, listen, you push a button for me. So your cellie would either, you know, get in his cot and pull the blanket, little blanket over his head, turn his back to you,

But, yeah, that courtesy flushed because I almost lost my life for not doing that. Dude, so let me ask you, and this is where my mind goes. Could you sit reverse on the toilet so you could hit the button a lot easier? Oh, my God.

Hey, next time I'm in, I'll try it. Don't go doing that, David. The toilet is not designed, the actual toilet seat itself. Thank you, by the way, for the call. There is no toilet seat, brother. It's a stainless steel one. Ah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, because you could use that. You just reminded me, though. Thanks, David. I was living with my buddy, Jeff. I had a flexible sigmoidoscopy, so I had to go through that whole cleansing process. Yeah.

And there was only one bathroom in the house. And he was taking a shower, getting ready for work. And I was like, you know, this is my best friend. So it was totally fine. But that is something that will bother me. Dear God. Hang on. I have another call about prison pooping. Prison pooping. We're going to Mr. S is his name. Hey, Mr. S, you're on the air. Good morning. Hey, good morning. How are you doing today? Good, buddy. All right. So you spent some time behind bars?

Well, yeah, a couple times. But what that last caller, they call it putting water on it. If you're sitting next to somebody in a stall, I did a little time in a federal facility and you had stalls. But it's called, you're yelling at the guy next to you to put some water on it. Okay. I love that. I love all that stuff, like lily padding and putting water on it. And these were all the common courtesies you would do for someone who is perhaps a cellmate who had to deal with your nightmare.

Right, right. In the county facilities, you set up a tent. You're supposed to tie your sheet between you and the other guy while you're taking the dump. And that way he's not watching you dump and he doesn't have to watch you dump. And then in the federal facilities, some of the Muslim brothers, they don't wipe. They use the little honey bears that the honey comes in. Like a cereal? Like a bidet. Oh, like a bidet. Yeah.

Oh, so the honey bear is a container with a nozzle on top that you squirt the honey out of. So they would fill that with water? Yes. Wow. And some of them, I guess, aren't a good aim. You got water coming under the stalls. No. It wasn't pleasant, but you can't be shy. Yeah. Wow. Prison teaches you to be more social. Wow.

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's more social. And I mean, you know, you're in there, me being a Caucasian gentleman, being in there with some other ethnic groups. And I got a pig and I'm standing next to these guys that got baby's arms. And it's like, you can't be shy. Baby's arms. It's like the United Nations in there, man. Oh, my God.

All right. Thank you, Mr. S. Appreciate the info. The honey bear. Casey actually brought in one of these honey bears. I could see that. I'd leave the honey in. Some of them have a little nozzle on top, or I guess this has a hole that you could squirt out of that. I'm showing the camera. Wow.

I feel weird licking my fingers after you're talking about that. I got a honey on it. That was a good dump. What's lily padding? You mentioned that. So you put... Toilet paper down first? Right, right. Yeah, we heard about this on this show, actually. So it will land on it? Right, so you're not getting the splash. Yeah. Years ago, I told the story. I unfortunately had to go number two in a stall, in a port-a-pot before a Phillies game, and I had no choice. And...

very, like right away, I got backsplash, port-a-pot, whatever that juice is. I'm sure it's A1. Yeah, so we talked about it on the air and some construction workers called in and talked about lily padding. Yeah. So the reason we're talking about this, if you're just tuning in, this is not, we just didn't decide, hey, let's talk about taking a dump. Kathy brought it up. Kathy brought it up and said, I really want you guys to do a hard hitting deep dive into this. No, Tori Spelling

had said on her podcast that she feels more comfortable when doing your business to have someone in the room with her. I've never heard anybody say that before. It's always the opposite of that. And still, we haven't had anybody who has said that as well, who has concurred that they do indeed feel that way. I'm not saying she's a freak of nature or anything along those lines, but it certainly is different than what you're used to hearing. I think if I were to...

a list of the things I would least want to do during my life, way at the bottom would be watch Tori Spelling take a dump. Let me go to Mark here. Hey, Mark, good morning. Yo, what's up? Yo, buddy, what's going on, man? I'm doing pretty good. Hey, listen, I have an acquaintance talking about pooping. Yes. He has a powder room on his first floor and it's like right directly in front of the front door, his front door of his house. Yeah. Well,

Well, he needs both doors open. He needs them. What? So are you saying that he has the door to his powder room open while he's taking a dump, and he has the front door open as well? Yes. And this is a person you call a friend? Acquaintance. Acquaintance. I know. Once he learned about this, he didn't want to move into the friend zone. That's right.

Does he live in a crowded neighborhood by chance? Well, he lives in a development. And he has had a number of solicitors come up to the door. Oh, my God. And he hasn't come in. That's a power move. They don't know what they're doing until they get in there. Mark, is this a way to diminish the amount of solicitors that visits your house? It can't hurt.

So, you think he's like an exhibitionist and he kind of enjoys this? Okay. Ah, there you go. Way too many times. Okay. Okay. I got it now. All right.

Tell him we said hi, Mark. No problem. Just yell across the street. We'll see. Yeah, yeah. The door's open. There's a pretty wild scene in the first season of Fargo with Billy Bob Thornton where some dude comes into his apartment and he's, you know, dude's trying to make a power play. Yeah. And he's just, you know, mid-conversation, he just, Billy Bob walks over into the bathroom, pulls his pants down, sits on the toilet, starts taking a dump in front of the... And the dude's like...

what are you doing? And that's why I'm like that Mark guy is a total power move. Uh, I will go to Natasha next. Hi, Natasha. Hi, Gadzooks. Gadzooks to you. Okay. So what about you? What's your situation? So in college, I lived with four girls. There were five of us. And anytime somebody had to go, you know, do their business, we'd say, okay, who's coming with me? And we,

We always had one of us sit there on the top of the stairs because the steps was right next to the bathroom with the door open. And everybody, somebody would always have a roommate there to keep them company and talk to them while they were going. So was it a quasi-security thing? Was it just to have a friend or this would be a good time to talk? Why was that necessary? Definitely not security. It was more like, no, come talk to me. I don't want to do this alone. Do it alone. Wow.

No, we wanted to talk. We wanted a friend with us. You want to talk to people. One of the things I really want to do alone. Yeah, that's really the lone thing. No, we wanted our friends with us. It was totally normal. Interesting. So you, Ben, how many conservative, how many people have you had a conversation to with while they were taking in a dump? Well,

Definitely four. Yeah, all the gals. Sometimes we'd all be there. Wow. And you likewise, you would be doing your business and someone would be talking to you from the top of the steps.

Heck yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Well, we got one now. Thank you, Natasha. I think you should try it. You should try it. Give us your information and we'll have you come over. Kathy, are you a part of the let's go to the bathroom crew if you're out, you know,

Maybe back in the day. Back in the day, yes, of course. You never really went to the bathroom by yourself. Now, no. Come with me. I'm going to blow this place up. It would be packs of girls. At least two or three would go at the same time. Same time, yeah. I mean, there was... I'm not really sure. Yes, it was just something you did, but a lot was like, okay, hold my drink and hold my purse. My ass is going to go crack a toe. Who wants to come with me? No, I'm assuming a lot of times it's just to go pee, but...

is there kind of a little social thing that goes on there in the bathroom? Ladies' bathrooms? We assume it's mostly lesbian stuff, right? Yeah, I guess. No, there's like,

Like a little, yeah, sure, of course. I mean, because oftentimes when you're going in a group, you know, when I was in my 20s at a bar, you're waiting in line, you end up chatting with other people, yeah. Do you end up talking about maybe if you're, you know, with a few guys, talking about them or, you know? I mean, I guess that could happen or if there was, yeah, actually I remember one, actually it was...

It was one of our singles mixers at, what was the place in Bluebell that we used to go to? Reed's? Yes. It was there. I remember being in the bathroom there and listening to a couple of people talk about the guys that they were chatting with or whatever. We ended up talking about them. And then I went out with the girl and checked out the guy and gave her the thumbs up.

Side note, and I'm glad you brought up Reeds because I'm looking for this. There was a video that we did there one time where we were having our party games on stage and Casey and Nick Murphy did this thing where Nick would scan his camera across the crowd and all of a sudden Casey would be there and have this disturbed look on his face. We can't find the video anywhere. Casey and I were looking for it. It was called like Awkward Casey Being Awkward or something like that. If anybody finds that.

Let us know because I'm dying to see it. All right. Sorry. Side note. Didn't mean to get off track here. Let me go to back to pooping. Let's go to Joe. Hi, Joe. You're on the air. Good morning. Good morning, guys. How are you? Good, man. What's up, bud? I used to be the total opposite. I was, uh, during my, you know, young teens, I couldn't go anywhere but home. I would leave a date. I would leave a movie. I would go anywhere. I couldn't go anywhere but home. Wow.

But my first year, my first day on a job in a carpenter's union, I had to go to the bathroom so bad I couldn't hold it. And my first experience in a porta potty, I had to go number two and a six foot six carpenter goes number one directly behind me.

There you go. Honestly, I agree with you in the, in those moments of where you're what I would call a phase six or there's you just, you just have to go. Once you do that, once you rip that bandaid off, then you're fine from there on in. Would you agree with that?

that, that, that, that moment right there kind of set my life into a different direction. Now I can go anywhere. I can go on a corner in a bucket. I can go anywhere. Don't, I can, you know, hold a sign saying, Hey, I'm pooping here. Don't make a difference to me. Yes. That, that, that, that one memory that has scarred my life forever. And I'll never forget the guy's face looking over at the stall and saying, Hey,

Hey, buddy, how you doing? All right. It's liberating. It took an icebreaker. All right. Thanks, Joe. Appreciate it, man. I love it. Mark on line two has an interesting situation. Let's do that, and we've got a break shortly here. Hey, Mark. Good morning, sir.

Indians in the summer and a jello pudding pop. Oh, my God. That's a callback. I love that. Bill Cosby blinded by the light.

So pooping, no problem. I'll take the browns to the Super Bowl any day, any place. If it's coming out, it's coming out. Peeing, if I'm in a public bathroom, I can't use the urinal because if I can see another person, not happening. No kidding. If I go to the stall and I know they can hear me peeing and it hit the water, can't do it.

So that's the opposite. I have no problem with that. Yeah, so I agree. That's the easier thing to do. But in his mind, that's the more obvious. Wait a minute. Casey's losing it. What's up? Well, hey, you know what? Just one of the funniest things that you ever did, Preston.

Me? And in honor of the Masters. Oh, no. It was the one time I was on the tee box, right? Oh, my God. And I tee off. I hit the shot. And then Preston turns around. He goes, oh, I'm going to. And I can't say the word that he said. And I turn around, and he is full on pissing me off.

I mean, I could see his wiener. I could... Listen, okay. It was hilarious. Let me set the stage. It was... We were playing. It was right before Kenan's, the day before Kenan's, and it rained. It rained nonstop. We were playing in the rain, soaking wet, wearing our rain gear. So it didn't... There was nobody else on the golf course. And I had to pee really bad. And Casey was about to... I'm like, I'm just going to do this. And so...

I'm full on going. And I go a lot, like a Nick amount. And I'm waiting and he hits a ball. And I was like, oh, God, that was great. And he turns around and sees me doing this.

I have no problem peeing in front of Casey. No, you don't. Not at all. Mark, try closing your eyes and thinking of a difficult math problem next time. Just try it. I'm good at math. That's the problem. You're really good at math. All right, a physics problem. Yeah, physics. I appreciate it. All right, thanks, Mark. Appreciate that, bud. All right, one last call? Yeah, one last call. All right, we will go to Tara. Hi there, Tara.

So they...

So, Tara, the situation was they were actually more able to go to the bathroom if they had company. They were. And specifically each other or one of us, if they weren't there up until like the age of eight or nine. After that, it would have been really weird. But they would say, like, come keep me company. Come talk to me while I go. Wow. I'm telling you, eight or nine seems kind of, you know, right? I mean, so what would you like sit on the bathtub edge and hold hands or?

On their lap? Okay. Yeah. So at least you had a door. So you weren't inside the bathroom with them.

Absolutely not. Oh, okay. But still, even talking to somebody. No, don't talk to me right now. What are you doing now? Thank you, by the way, Tara. And before smartphones, we would keep in the bathroom crossword puzzles or magazines or something like that. It was known as the library. Most people wouldn't. It still is for me. It's alone technology.

Do you, when you take a call with someone, you don't... I don't take calls on the bathroom. Right. So if a call comes in or something periodic, if somebody needs to talk to you, and I will take a call, I'm not... Oh, by the way, I'm taking a dump. You want to obscure every possible indicator that you're in the bathroom. And if it turns out to be...

If you are doing your business and it turns out to be a serious phone call of something that you can't break away from quickly, you're going to be sitting there for a while. Yes. Pins and needles. And then at a certain point, if it still goes on, you have to walk away and then return to flush because you certainly don't want that to be heard in the background. Yep, definitely not. But interesting. And it was...

Tori Spelling was the kickoff to this whole conversation about that she prefers to have people around. She feels more comfortable literally when she's going number two. Yeah. I've just never heard of that before. All right. Thank you for your calls. We're going to take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Stay with us. WNBA.

Head on over to WMMR.com. Why? Well, for one, you can listen to us online. Check out Preston and Steve's Daily Rush videos. Catch up on rock news. Visit our concert calendar and community events page. Shop the latest MMR gear in the rock shop and more. It's almost like a place on the interwebs where you can find out what's going on at WMMR. No, wait, I'm told that's exactly what it is. What is it? WMMR.

MMR.com

These will not be restocked and supplies limited. That's

IHatesStevenSinger.com. Hungry and in a hurry? Acme's Flash Grocery Delivery or Pickup gets you fresh groceries in 30 minutes or less.

Fast, fresh, and right to your door. Acme, fresh foods, local flavors. On July 4th, 2022, a guy named Andrew Disney had a fireworks mishap that might very well be every man's nightmare. When night fell over the celebration, the fireworks got bigger and a mortar-style beast was unveiled. Unfortunately, it fell over and one of the mortars fired directly at him and nailed him right in the head.

right in the crotch. Whoa! The fact that the explosion blew off his shorts and underwear actually made it easier for emergency crews to tend to his substantial wound. Did he lose it all? Well, they actually accidentally caught what was left of his testicles in a tourniquet, which is a special kind of pain. That's not the

Doctor said that 8% of his body had third-degree burns, but... Yeah, you gotta throw that in there. That his big-ass rattling belt buckle, which his wife hated, ended up preventing the damage from being much more severe. Unfortunately, because of the... Fortunately, because of the skilled doctor's

skin grafts, therapy, and support from his wife. He now says everything is working as it should. As it should? As it should. Hypothetically? I don't know, but it says it's working as it should, but the guy survived that whole thing. Took a motor shot to the nutsack? Unreal. Wow. All right, this story, man.

Dating Brad Pitt. That'd be a dream come true for many women, but it turned out to be a nightmare for one French woman. Of course, she wasn't actually dating the actor, but a scammer pretending to be him convinced her that she was sending her AI-generated images of Brad Pitt. And I looked at these images, and they're not good. They're not good. They're not good at all. And when the fraudster claimed the need...

to need money for cancer treatment, she gladly gave it to them. The scam started back in 2023 when the victim, Ann, received a Facebook message from the scammer. They first pretended to be Pitt's mom and then started texting Ann claiming to be Brad Pitt himself and that's when the affair began. She was...

Yeah.

Then the pretend Brad Pitt asked for money for cancer treatment and sent AI generated photos and videos of him in the hospital bed claiming that he couldn't use his own money because of his ongoing divorce from Angelina Jolie. It just screws everything up. And eventually said the scammer, listen to this, more than $800,000.

And $50,000, which she had thanks to her divorce settlement. If you're thinking lucidly, and maybe you're swept up in the notion that Brad Pitt is macking on you, but might you ask, well, isn't he good, good friends with George Clooney? Right.

Right? But George lending them money? So they only ever communicated through text and Ann only realized that she had been scammed after seeing a photo of Pitt with his real-life girlfriend, Ines de Ramon. By the way, to imagine how bad these pictures are, think about just cutting out a picture of Brad Pitt's face and gluing it on other photographs. That's how bad this AI looks. So Ann's been receiving treatment for severe depression at a clinic since a complaint was filed last year and police are still searching for this scammer. They never get him.

A peculiar sight greeted a landowner in rural Missouri late last September. A young deer wearing a multicolored collar and bearing the word pet painted on its side. The unexpected encounter left the man perplexed, prompting an investigation by local authorities and wildlife experts. The landowner who spotted the two-year-old deer wandering on his property contacted the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office for assistance. And by the time deputies arrived, the animal had disappeared into the woods.

The markings and the collar suggested someone may have attempted to domesticate the deer. The incident has reignited conversations about the dangers of keeping wild animals as pets. Deer are not suited for life in captivity. I don't know. Are you actually supposed to paint the word pet on your pets? Interactions with deer can be hazardous, particularly due to the risk of chronic wasting disease. This incurable illness affects the nervous systems of deer, elk, and similar species and can spread through close contact. Also, they warned about the potential...

Potential for aggressive behavior, especially during the mating season. Efforts are now underway to locate this deer, remove its collar, and help it return safely to its natural habitat.

Speaking of the wild animal world, a male zebra died after a female rhino unintentionally punctured its stomach at a zoo in Essex, England. Yeah, the rhino, called Astrid, had been sparring with her son, Teo, when she tried to move Zebra.

Ziggy out of the way. I'm so sorry. Colchester Zoo said Ziggy died of his injuries within minutes. That's terrible. The zoo said Ziggy sadly passed away following the incident in their mixed species African habitat. Yeah, they usually have zebras and rhinos in the same enclosure. Yep. Ziggy had lived happily with the other species, including the rhino, in this habitat since 2017. You notice they don't put rabbits and lions in the same enclosure anymore? On Friday, two of the rhinos, Astrid and her son Teo, were sparring with one another, which is one of

another, which is a regular natural behavior for the species. And on this occasion, unfortunately, Astrid attempted to move Ziggy out of the way and in doing so unintentionally punctured his stomach with the horn and died of the injuries a few minutes later. The zoo said that it reviewed its care for animals to minimize the risk of such incidents occurring. They added that such incidents were extremely rare and they were devastated by the loss. They certainly arrested the rhino? Yes, the rhino is detained at the moment, yes.

All right, and the one last story. A sun-scorched patch of lawn near Christchurch in New Zealand has been crowned the ugliest lawn in the world. Now in its second year, the world's ugliest lawn competition rewards lawn owners for not watering their parched yellow grass and patchy flower beds. The winning lawn in the settlement of Birdlings Flat belongs to Lisa Elliott.

and is kept closely cropped by harsh coastal winds and little rainfall. He said, I live in a small coastal community. Our drinking water is pumped from a well nearby, and in my mind, drinking water is drinking water, not watering the lawn water. So we're looking at a picture of it. I don't think it's all that miserable looking. Yeah. I mean, it kind of looks like regular terrain. Yeah, although that's supposed to be grass, but it's pretty beat up. Yeah.

She said, I have aimed at creating a garden that primarily looks after itself, making its own natural rhythm. So the contest for this began in the Swedish municipality of Gotland as a stunt to promote water conservation on the island. An irrigation ban in 2022 due to water shortages led to a competition between residents, which clicked

quickly gained global recognition. And that is what I have for you in The Bazaar File. We're going to take a break. Coming back in just a moment. Stay with us. What's going on in the world of rock? You'll find it at WMMR.com. Your one-stop outlet for all the rock news you need to know. WMMR.com. Where FOMO goes to die.

Now, back with more of the Preston and Steve Show podcast. Hey, how often do you call your mom? Every day, once in a blue moon maybe? Well, show the moms in your life how appreciated they are with Steven Singer's brand new limited edition 24 karat gold dipped blue moon rose for Mother's Day. It's the perfect rose for your mother, the mother in your life, anybody you call mother. It's glorious. It's a beautiful color. It'll be a hit. Skip flowers that die in a week.

Steven's famous gold-dipped roses are real roses dipped in real 24-karat gold guaranteed to last a lifetime. Blue Moon is available only at Steven Singer Jewelers. Always free shipping at IHateStevenSinger.com. But hurry, these will not be restocked and supplies limited. That's IHateStevenSinger.com.

Acme.

The official supermarket of the Preston and Steve Show. Our next guest, and you, if you've listened to our show for many years, and you know our...

Our admiration for composers. We have many people that we're friends with, and we have them on the air, and we love to talk music. And our next guest is the undisputed heavyweight champion, especially of television theme shows. He's a cornerstone of formative years of my life. And you have sung his songs. A lot of times you're not singing words. You may just be going, beep, beep, beep, beep.

That's my Doogie Howser, by the way, if you did not know that. Or as I was singing in my head earlier this morning, I will stop embarrassing myself and I will play some actual music actually to bring him on because let me just give the rundown and then we're going to talk because he does have new music out to talk about. The new album is called Message from the Mountains and Echoes of the Delta. But you know him as a composer of shows.

theme songs like Rockford Files, Hill Street Blues, L.A. Law, Law and Order, Greatest American Hero, The A-Team, Baa Baa Black Sheep, Kathy Blossom,

Blossom, Doogie Howser, Quantum Leap, Hardcastle McCormick. We're like, what do we bring him on with? We need something exciting. So we're going to do that. Ladies and gentlemen, we are very excited to welcome Mr. Mike Post to our show this morning. Mike, good morning, sir. Good morning, good morning. Nice to meet you, Preston. Thank you. And wonderful to have you on our show. And I'm sorry if I butchered some of your most cherished melodies with my... I'm not a singer, so...

Well, you know what? As long as you enjoyed them, I don't care how well you sound. I've got to say it's an honor, Mike, to talk to you because I kid you not, and I've told this story many times on air. I had a Dodge Dart. I got my first cassette player, and immediately I got the Mike Post TV theme songs, and I drove around cranking that thing up.

And I remember there used to be sort of a backlash before people understood, you don't understand. These are brilliant compositions. And you obviously had been enjoying a successful career at the time. But I think over time, people have begun to appreciate people who do the soundtracks for TV and movies. Hans Zimmer and Jerry Goldsmith and John Williams and people such as yourself as people.

composers as as you know holding up that end of the musical experience for so many people and that's what makes your new project this album um uh messages from the mountain and echoes of the delta it it it seems like it's something you've been working towards all your career would it be safe to say that yeah you know i i've never thought of it that way honestly with this you know uh

Making music for television is kind of the same as making music for film. So we're all in sort of one community. Basically, we look at pictures without music and somehow a jukebox starts playing in our head. This particular project, what happened here, it was probably percolating and brewing my whole life.

because I started out as a folky. And so I'm fairly authentic as a bluegrass guy. And then I played a lot of blues in my life. And so I think of myself as authentic as a blues person.

appreciator for sure and now you know delving into the idea of melding both blues and bluegrass with orchestral music was was what what this really is and the reason it happened was covid uh

put my shows on ice for, you know, six months and I had nothing to do. So, so it was born of that. It was funny. A friend of the show, Michael Giacchino, he did something similar. He released a travelogue volume one, which was sort of a, um, an expression for him. It's, it seems like almost the exact same scenario gave birth to that. So with your life and as prolific as you've been, it had to be just frustrating to have everything stalled. And this is your outlet.

Well, you know, honestly, when it first struck, I went, oh, man, I'm going to get a vacation that isn't, you know, from May to September, which is usually when I'm, you know, when I'm back in Philly with my wife's family. And, you know, this was like, okay, a vacation when I'm not supposed to have a vacation. But then after about a week, I got restless and went, well, what are you going to do? You know, you've got to do something you can't do.

And Chia Kino, good friend of mine too, you know, all of us, you know, we're sort of stuck in our lane of like, okay, it's time to go to work. They've got a film or a TV show for us to do. But

The truth is music's music, you know, and we're all in the band, so we're going to play. Well, I listened to a lot of it last night, and I love the sound, and I love soundtracks. I love music of this nature, and not that it's a soundtrack. I guess you could say it is.

For people who, and I don't even know what that classification means. It seems story told through music. And the melding of the styles, and it has a uniquely American, if I'm saying that right, sound to it. And it also, to me, it put me in mind of kind of an Aaron Copland kind of thing. The hope of this country, it is a story of immigrants, correct? Yes.

Yeah, you know, it is exactly that. It didn't start out that way, but I'm for sure, you know, a product of this country and a product of what I've heard, and it

The more that it sort of grew and blossomed, and the more it did that, the more it became in the line. Listen, I grew up on Rodeo and Copland and Dvorak and the New World Symphony. To me, that was...

Sort of the discovery of rock and roll, you know, to me and jazz and bluegrass and all the rest, you know, it it it's informed me musically my whole life. That kind of music, you know. Mike, how often does it happen that you have an intention with a direction on a piece of music and it ends up being something completely different by the time you're done with it?

Daily. Daily. Daily. It'd be a minute. You know, Michael McDonald was right. Minute by minute. It's like, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, you know, I know exactly what I'm doing. You know, I've been doing this my entire, you know, 79 years I've been on this earth. I've been playing music for 75 of it and or 74.

four of it. And, you know, and I'm, you know, I'm technically pretty strong. Oh, I know everything about it. I don't know it. Honest to God, it's magic. You know, anybody that tells you that, oh, it's so intentional and it's so this, yeah, it starts out that way, but then it just,

It just goes crazy, especially the more players you add, the more ideas come out, the more it takes on a life of its own.

It's a weird way to make a living because you're supposed to know everything about it and none of us know nothing. It's just magic. Where did you think you were going to go with music when you began as opposed to where you ended up? Did you think you were going to be a folk star, a performer, and then it led you down a different path? Yeah. Honest to God, I sort of...

Looking back on it, if you will, I was in the hallway of the music rehearsal building at any college or university or community college. You walk down the hallway and there's all these little doors and there's these rooms where guys are, you know, people are practicing, right? And to me, you know, my goal was always the same. I just wanted to make an honorable living like everybody.

the way I was raised, you know, your words, everything, you know, being upright, kind of straight arrow guy and make a living doing music. What did that mean? Well, if you're working in a club, that's good. If you're, you know, part of a...

part of the studio scene, the way I was here in L.A., young, oh, my God, that's fantastic. If you get shot at, you know, playing stadium rock, okay, you know. So if it's down to repairing instruments or teaching or whatever, you know, it just –

I get to do music and there, and I get make a decent living at home run. Well, you, I mean, you are a heavy hitter in every sense of the word. I, you know, I'm a massive fan president. I'm a huge fan of the, this documentary, the wrecking crew about this incredible collection of musicians. You were part of this crew. You, you very, um, um, you're, you're very self-effacing and you say you were lower rung on, on that group. Um,

But you had, I think your idol is Tommy Tedesco, correct? Yeah, one of them. Tommy helped me a lot. He's a big brother to me, but so did Glenn Campbell and so did a lot of guys. And yeah, just to be mentioned in that group of gunfighters, because that's really what we are. We walked into studios every day, sometimes three and four times a day,

sat down and they dropped music in front of us that we'd never heard rehearsed. Are you kidding me? Let's go. You look at it, you listen to it once and you know, we come up with a hit lick and next, you know, next session, three hours later. I can't, I don't, it, you know, it's something that I keep trying to spread the message to, to people. And Preston and I are, are,

get the word out about this. You need to understand just what an accomplished, insanely talented group of people that you guys were and Lady who were all part of this. And yet, I was reading an interview with you where you said you decided early that that was kind of more where you like to be behind the scenes a bit more. And then Dolly Parton once said something about your career. What did she say to you?

Oh, she said, you know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world. I was out to dinner with her and a guy that I went to grammar school, junior high and high school with named Tom Selleck. Right. And they were our dinner was getting interrupted, you know, every 12 seconds with somebody that wanted a picture, an autograph or something, which is that's what that's the root.

that goes with the territory of their territory and they after a while they just started laughing and they just looked at me and you both of them are kind of smirking and you know just being wise asses and so dolly says you know you're the luckiest guy on the face of the earth you got all the good parts and none of the bad parts it's true it's really it's really true i haven't um

You know, when Dolly walks out on stage and the light hits her, the most magical stuff happens. These people are different than I am. They just shine when they're being watched by an audience. You know, they just, they blow up. I,

I blow up in the studio. I blow up when I'm sitting alone at night in front of my piano or playing guitar by myself. And I'm made for the job I'm at, which is, it's not that I hate performing. I don't. It's just that I love being in the studio and making music.

There's a blessing to knowing what you enjoy and really assessing what you're dialed in for. And then if you can find that out early, then that can be everything to you because your missteps are less because you're guided by that.

Well, Dolly wasn't wrong. I'm so fortunate. You know, I grew up in L.A., so I didn't have to come from West Philly. I didn't have to, you know, I didn't have to.

I didn't have to come from Des Moines. I was already here. I played on my first hit record when I was 19. And I produced my first hit when I was 21 and won my first Grammy when I was 24 and became the music director of the Andy Williams show that year as well. And so it was like I sort of hit the ground running and things just doors just opened up in that hallway that were

that I never could have predicted. I never could have dreamed this. I never did dream this. I just, it just happened. And I was, you know, I'm proud of some of some of the stuff that I've accomplished. I'm proud of the fact that I've never whiffed, you know, every 7,200 hours of television and I've never missed a day of work. I never, uh,

I never let a producer down. You know, they, the guys that I worked for all were my dear friends and, and they seemed to be happy with me.

Mike, when I was a kid, Greatest American Hero was sort of one of my favorite early TV shows. I was six or seven when it came out, and I loved the theme song, which you composed. And then when I was a teenager or maybe in college, it showed up again in my life on George Costanza's answering machine. And I'm curious as to whether or not you made any money off of the Seinfeld airing of the Greatest American Hero theme. Hmm. Let me think about that. Hell yes. Yeah.

Are you kidding me? They better pay me. Come on. You were telling a story about, I guess it was Stephen Jay Connell, who is a genius and a producer of so many shows, of Rockford Files, for example. And he did something kind of wild, which I thought was cool. He kind of came to you and...

And it's true, Mike. You're very humble. But so a lot of the heat on those shows and the people may not remember this. Your theme songs became hits were being played on the air in rotation. And so Canel came to you and said, you're a substantial part of this show. What what he made you an offer that was unheard of at the time. Could you could you illuminate us on that?

Yeah, he, you know, at the time, you know, if he were alive today, he'd still be my best friend. So, yeah.

you know, we're hanging together, you know, do a lot of stuff together, businesses outside of music and, and, and TV together. So one day the phone rings and he had just gone out on his own. He, he was originally signed to universal and he, then he went out on his own and created this company that he became the deficit financer. And so blah, blah, blah. So, uh,

The phone rings. Candle on the phone. Okay. Hey, what's going on? What are you doing? I'm working. What do you need? He goes, I just looked at the budgets, you know, and this is completely wrong. Completely wrong. I said, okay. I'm thinking, what am I overcharging or something? You know, I'm getting wealthy and you're underpaid.

I went, oh, get off the phone. I got to go to work. You know, don't bug me with this baloney. He goes, no, no, I'm serious. You're my best friend and you are way underpaid. I said, you know, nobody died and left you the keys to the kingdom. You don't get to say all this. I'm making good money. You know, he said, just come up with another figure and another way to do this because you're not getting paid enough.

And I went, you're an idiot. And I called him the next day and I said, okay, here's what to do. Just give me the whole budget for the music and I'll be the, you know, I'll do what you're doing in the film side being the deficit financer. I'll just, I'll manage the music budget. And he goes, well, wait a second. I don't want you to take those kind of risks. What if you, what if I don't like what you did? I said, when's the last time that happened? And he went, never.

And he said, yeah, maybe you're right. And honestly, the idea of packaging the music had not been done in television. And so honestly, that's how, you know, that's how

I got financially stable, shall we say. I mean, it had not happened before. And you were... Again, we're talking about Message from the Mountains and Echoes of the Delta, which is this project, which is phenomenal. You introduced...

electric guitars. I think it was Canel. I was reading, always said you always wanted to infuse rock and roll into that. And that not had been the norm on TV themes before that. How hard did you have to fight to infuse new sort of sounds, more rock elements into your compositions? There was no fight at all. Honest to God. What I did was so simple, Steve. It

There was Mancini. Mancini was the guy that came in saying, I'm going to do music that they're going to walk out humming. So, you know, obviously Peter Gunn, Mr. Lucky, you know, you know, the guy was just tuneful. Right. And he took those little tunes and then the entire score reflected those tunes. So I,

I, myself and my late partner, Pete Carpenter, we, let's just do what Mancini did. Let's make little one minute hit records. And then let's reflect those melodies in the score because indeed, yeah, I've done, I've done well with theme songs, but, but I've done the score for every one of those 7,200 hours of episodes. So that's, you know, that's my real job. And, and let's just reflect the theme and all the underscores. So,

Well, that's what we did. But look at my background. My background is as a rock and roll, you know, piano and guitar player. So what's my sensibilities as opposed to jazz and big band stuff that Mancini came out of? So I just carried on a matrix that he had established. And I did it coming from where I came from. You know, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, you know, Jerry Lee, you know, Johnny Cash. Yeah, yeah.

and blues and, and that's reflected in, in this project that you plugged so nicely this morning. Thank you. Um,

I do want to tell you that the theme song for The Greatest American Hero was the sole reason why I quit football back in, I think it was 1981. And my older brother played football and I had to play with him. And I'm playing with all these kids that are three years older than me. And I got hit so hard that I went flying like five, ten yards. And the big thing about Greatest American Hero is that he didn't know how to land. So every time I came to football practice after that,

They all sang that theme song to me as I was coming onto the field, and I couldn't take it anymore. So I quit football. Casey, you don't know this, but you're talking to a little high school linebacker as well. Yeah. And I kept showing up on the gig on Friday nights, you know, taped up or splinted up or something, you know.

I'm 5'8 and 170 pounds. And finally, you know, I'm trying to play piano with a splint on my finger and my wrist wrapped up. And the leader says to me, he says, are you any good at football? I said, well, I led it in the 10th grade. That's pretty good. He goes, yeah, but are you any good at it? And I said, well, I...

Yeah, I don't know. Not really. And he goes, well, you're really a good piano player. You're really good in this rock and roll band, but you keep coming, you know, stitched up or taped up or something. I think it's music, not football. Well, here you are on the radio, man. Sage advice. Yeah. And I want to ask because that, um, that theme song had lyrics to it. Blasme lyrics to it. Some of your other theme songs don't have lyrics to it, but in your mind, do they like Hill Street Blues? Does that have any lyrics in your mind?

So Pachko calls me up, maybe in the first season at Hill Street, and the record wasn't out yet as a hit, but the show was well-received, and so was the music. And Pachko goes...

Hey, I came up with a lyric for Hill Street Blues. I said, what? He goes, yeah. Hill Street Jews, Hill Street Jews. Everybody's got them Hill Street Jews. Of course, Pachko and I are Jewish. Oh, thank you very much. And I hung up.

That's great. You know, your songs are like, and Casey's right, but they're characters in the show. I mean, in these shows, they're iconic. And so I was listening to like Bochco and all the producers that you've worked with talking about how they just give you a nugget. And I thought the president is a percussionist. Bochco came to you with NYPD Blue, which is one of my favorite themes.

everything you do has something that is, there are multiple things at work. And I think of it, it sets the tone so well. Explain how you came up with that theme because you said that, you know, stuff is accidental, but you also recount stories where you just, something just clicked and you got it immediately. So how did you arrive at that percussive sound for NYPD Blue? Well, first of all, thanks for the compliment because NYPD,

you know, that's what I'm shooting for. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to, to come up with these one minute little hit records that define the show. Okay. You know, it's like, I want those, those guys that I've worked for to walk out going, if I could write music, that's exactly what, what I would have done. So on this, uh,

We'd hit a big home run with Hill Street Blues, a big home run with Doogie and with L.A. Law. So they sent me the script for In White, and God, I just love the script. I'm so excited. I just can't wait to go to work. So Bochco and the director, Greg Hoblet, they want to have lunch with me.

Okay, great. So we go meet at a restaurant and they don't say anything. And I'm just, you know, we're talking about who's having a white fish and who's having a steak sandwich. You know, I'm going, are they going to say anything? So I go, guys, we're here about the music. You know, we got to get going. What are you thinking? And Bosco says, well, I've been thinking about drums.

I went, what? He goes, yeah. Has there ever been a theme that was just drums? I said, no. There's the start to Hawaii Five-0. I said, but no. There's never been a theme with just drums? That's crazy. He goes, well, that's all I was thinking about.

And I went, what? You see, that's all I got to say. How's your food? I go, my food's fine. So I turned to Hoblet, you know, and I go, okay, what do you have to say? Now, these are the two biggest guys in television at the time. They are phenomenally successful and well thought of and very well hardwired with Emmys, right? So Hoblet says, well, I've been thinking about Subway's.

I went, holy moly, these guys have lost it. What do you mean, subways? Well, if you think of it, if you think about New York, sort of the system, the circulation system, the veins, the arteries are really the subways. I said, okay, you two geniuses, drums and subways. That's what I'm going to walk away with? Yeah, yeah.

And I honestly got like a bowl of line and I went, I know exactly what to do. I said, you know what? You guys are breaking my balls here. Guess what? I know what to do. Well, we thought you would. And so I went back to my studio and, you know, in Burbank and I started out with the

guy that was working with me at the time who's gone on to become a great composer named danny lux and you know we came i we came up with with that we i took the sound of the drum fill in in the air tonight on the phil collins record i went we got to beat that tom tom sound because that that was one of my favorite licks ever yeah but i did boom that that lick so i i said

Let's beat that. And I'm going to make a groove out of the sound of a train on a track.

So Subway and drums. You did? Yeah, I did. And I must say, the middle section would not have been the middle section without my wife. Because my wife is from West Philly. Her last name is McGettigan. She comes from a big Irish family that's near and dear to my heart. And that's why I got up at 5 in the morning to talk to you. Because I...

I love, I love the town that you guys work in. Honestly, it's fantastic. Have this big family back there and, um,

I had always been into Irish music anyway, and I thought, well, what do all these police guys in New York City have in common historically? And the fact is that when the NYPD first started in the late 1800s, they were all Irish. So I thought, oh, I'm going to do a middle section with some heart in it, and it's going to be Irish. Yeah.

There it is. You know, well, all of it in your stuff always says that, like, for example, and we have to talk about, you know, the your Dick Wolf Association and, you know, all of the the law and order stuff that that that middle section, the clarinet, the you know, all that stuff that I don't know. It's almost like dialogue that you're writing or a story that's being told. And I can sit there. Oh, look.

So many shows these days just have a theme song or a little bump or something quickly, and there's nothing that sets the tone the way a really good theme song does. Now, Preston was pointing out like on some of the serial, the streaming shows, you'll get a bit more of a theme. But let's talk about L.A. Law because, I mean, of all of this vast body of celebrated work that you've done, is it possible that'll be the most –

Is that, is that, is that done? Don't going to be on your tombstone. Well, we say that. Is it possible for me to get up early every day and be on your show? You got to make me feel great. I mean, honestly, God, and I, you know, well, it's from the heart and we really are huge fans. Thank you very much. Next time Patty and I are in, in Philly, I'm going to come by and hang with you. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh,

Yeah, so Dick Wolf, you know, he's hysterical. I met him on the, let's see, the eighth and ninth year, seventh and eighth year of Hill Street. He was a writer. And I just liked him, and I thought he was super talented, and we became friendly. And so the deal on Law & Order is crazy. He calls me up and says, hey, can I tell you a story? I said, sure. He said, well, let's meet for a drink. So, okay, we meet.

Sit down. I said, what's up? What are you thinking about? And he said, well, he said, you know, the hour cop and law medical dramas are not syndicating worth a damn. You know, they're just not doing well. It's all Cosby and Full House and blah, blah, blah. And I said, yeah, I know. And he said, so the first half hour, I'm going to do the crime scene.

and the cops and the perpetrator. And the second half hour, I'm going to do the prosecution and the defense and the judge and the trial. I go, I'm not tracking. What are you talking about? So I'm going to shoot it as an hour, but I'm going to syndicate it in half hours. And I went, man, never been done. That's so smart. God almighty. He said, yeah, I'm going to do it all in New York City. I said, what are you going to call this thing? He said, law and order. I went, man,

Man, that's a great idea. I'm in. He goes, no, no, I don't know what my budget is. I don't know what it can pay you. And you're the number one guy out there right now. And it would really help me if you're involved. But I can't ask you to do it because I don't know. I said, shut up. I'm in. Let me in. Please do me a favor. He said, OK, great. I said, all right. So what's the music like? He said, well, let me send you a script. Sends me a script. I read it. I love it. I go, OK, what's the music about?

Give me some marching orders. He goes, well, I'm doing it all in New York. It's like steam coming out of manhole covers, slick streets, nighttime, a little rainy, blah, blah, blah. But it's also the majesty of the law. And I went, oh, OK. He said, more than anything, write some music that defines New York City.

I said, I hate to break the news to you, but there was this guy named George Gershwin. He did that. He already did that. Okay. He said, Rhapsody in Blue, I'm not going to be able to run and gun with him. He's better than me. Okay. So I can't really do that. He goes, well, that's what I need.

I go, okay. You want me to do New York City? Great. So I come up with this little... And then I start messing around with this new guitar I had. I'm snapping the strings. I kind of like the A section. I thought, well, he wants me to find New York City. He wants me to

to step up with George Gershwin. Well, I've got to use a clarinet. I mean, at least I'll do that, you know? So that's how the middle section comes in. And so I put the whole thing together and he comes over and he listens to it. He goes, man, that's it. That's it. Don't change a note.

And I went, okay, perfect. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. Mike Post is joining us. Nick, you had a question? Yeah. Well, first of all, Mike, I wanted to. Wait, wait. Go ahead. Nick, I have to tell you guys, it was never syndicated in half hours. No. That just shocked me. I never heard of it. It was always been a one hour. Yeah. Yeah. It's always been that. It was still a change though. I mean, nobody had really done that before in that format. And it obviously was revolutionary and successful for three decades at this point.

Completely the most successful franchise in the history of TV. I mean, who doesn't know the dun-dun? The scene change sound. Yeah. It's iconic. Mike, I wanted to, first of all, thank Mary Kay McGettigan, your niece, because she used to work here at the radio station, and she was the bridge to get you on the show. So a shout-out to Mary Kay and all of the McGettigans here in Philadelphia. I think there's 4,000 of them. But I wanted to ask you...

There's a lot of great iconic themes that you've come up with. And some of them have been married to fantastic television shows like Hill Street Blues. And for me, Doogie Howser was great. What is your favorite theme that ended up on a TV show that maybe kind of flew under the radar or wasn't received as well as some of the others?

You know, probably the answer is Bay City Blues, another Bochco show. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I'm not plugging, but it was completely Americana because it was a short-lived show with Dennis Franz and Sharon Stone, her

her first TV thing. It was really good. It was really well done about minor league baseball. It was a very Americana theme. For some reason, the show didn't catch on. The network didn't hang with it long enough. I dug that show. I used to enjoy that show a lot. Me too. I loved doing that show. Listen, you know,

what what makes it and doesn't make it it's you know doing my thing is almost as hard as doing radio you guys you know you know it's like the book comes out and you go our ratings are up well we didn't do anything different our ratings are down we didn't do anything different yeah don't we know yeah i know you know it but believe me it's you know all of us on the creative side

you know, what do you do for a living? Well, I walk on this wire way up high and there's all these razor blades down below if I slip and fall. You know, it's like if they don't like this stuff, it hurts. You know, that's art. You do art for a living, you're emotionally risky business for sure. So I have nothing to do with whether these shows make it or not. So Dolly was right. I am the luckiest guy in the world. You know, I mean, you know, I've

Cannell and Bochco and Dick Wolf, you know, those guys don't suck. Those guys are really good at their jobs, you know? And, and if they think I'm good at my job and I'm happy as I could be, that's, you know,

I'm blessed. Mike, I want to ask a specific question about, you know, matching a theme to a show because, you know, you mentioned Law & Order and getting the feel of New York City. You take a song like Magnum P.I. It's very action-oriented. You know, it fits with the imagery. You know, Blossom is playful and fun. But you take Hill Street Blues. You take a show that's a hard-hitting drama about...

crime on the street of New York City and all the things that come with it, yet it is a very pleasant sounding, very enjoyable melody that goes with this. It's almost counter to the TV show itself. How does that work? How did you, you know, I mean, it's such a great iconic theme song, but yet it does match the show, even though the show is harder hitting than that. Well, honest to God, Preston, it

It is magic. Okay. It's these little tiny decisions that you don't think are going to be

important and looking back you go you know the show stays on nine years and everybody goes yeah i couldn't imagine that opening being any different and it was a simple little thing we i i saw the pilot without any main title in it and i was blown away 1981 and that's that thing was so different than anything that had ever been on tv it was just

Jaw dropping. It was so impactful and so funny, you know, for minutes and then bang, so real and, and crazy and, and terrifying or, or,

you know, exhilarating. And it was just up and down so violently, you know, and then so sweetly and kindly and so crazy. Belker to the Biter. Come on. Yes. Yeah. You know, who comes up with stuff like that? Anyway, so we go up to Bosco's office and I'm going, anybody got any ideas of what the music is? And,

I don't know. And I said, well, what am I looking at on the screen during the main title sequence? And Hoblet, great director, says, well, I'm thinking the door goes up on a garage and a prowl car comes out and cruises through South Bronx, burned out Detroit. It's any town in the Midwest, East Coast. And it cruises through rainy, crappy weather. And it's just depressing.

I went, okay. And Bosco goes, what does that sound like? I said, well, maybe Stevie Wonder, Clabinette, Summer in the City. I don't know. I don't know what that sounds like. And Bosco says, well, what else could you do? That's all he said. What else could you do? And I don't know. I just said, well, you could go against the picture. You could do something poignant. You could do something that just kind of makes you nod your head and go, man,

In this episode, people died, babies were born, there's hope, and there's depression. And he goes, yeah, do that. And I went, I was living at the time, you know, three minutes away from the studio we were at in Studio City, and I said,

I was immediately in E-flat, and I went... And I went, God, that's pretty good. You know, I'm honest. And so it took about 30 minutes, and I called Botchko up. I said, you better come over here. He goes, no, no, I don't want something out of a trunk that you did, you know, some other... No, no, no, I don't have a trunk. I don't do that. I don't...

Cycled anything. You know, I just did it. So he walks in, him and Hoblet, and I go, clank, clank, clank, clank, clank, clank. He goes, do that again. Clank, clank, clank, clank, clank, clank.

He goes, yeah, that's my show. Wow. It's amazing. It's frigging amazing. You know, you know, Mike, so from that, and so from you as the creator to me, when I hear that, it's funny to hear you say that because I always, I always kind of assign an emotion to the music. It's a natural inclination. And I would hear the hill street blues theme and it always, cause I have brothers in law enforcement and I would always hear in my mind, well, here it is. This is it. This is what we got. This, that, that,

as you said, papers are born, people are shot. This is it. We got to go do this job and there's going to be some good, there's going to be some wins and some losses and that's it. And that's what captures that so beautifully. Yeah, thank you. You know, one of the most just sweetest, kindest like fan letter I ever got that made me feel great was of a widow of a

Of a cop that got killed in the line of duty. And she wrote me this letter and she goes, you know, I bought your record. The record length version of Hill Street Blues. And she said it got me through the last year. I'm about a year out from my husband getting killed. And she goes, I just listened to it and cried and listened to it and cried. And it really got me through it. I went, man, it's hard to relate.

to that, but it just, if, if you write something that somebody feels that way about, I don't need anything more than that. That's, that's, that's pretty good. Yeah. I'd say so. I'd say so. Well, listen, Mike, we do have to wrap and I think we've only scratched the surface. So clearly you have to come by and visit us when you come to Philadelphia next time. We want to remind people that his new album is called message.

from the mountains and echoes of the Delta. It's a bluegrass meets blues with some orchestral tendrils within there. It's wonderful. Yeah, absolutely. And it's available pretty much wherever you get your music. You can also go to mike-post.com for more information. But, man, it's been so nice. We're huge, huge fans, and we just have tremendous respect for you. And we'd love to have you by here sometime if you get a moment when you're in Philly.

Absolutely. A hundred percent for sure. I will come by and see you guys. Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. Thank you for everything. We appreciate it. Mike. Wow. Wow. I mean, I mean, frigging Mike post, you know, again,

You can't even, you don't even know stuff that you listen to that's his. I know. And not only just the themes, the score to these shows. If we could scare up at some point, I know we have to maybe play it later, but NYPD Blue theme, Preston, it's law and order. But yeah, I think, again, listening to his stuff last night and listening to it just in preparation for this, it's such a

Great friggin' theme. All right, we do have to break, but Mike friggin' Post was just on with us. That was so cool. We'll be right back. Stay with us, friends. We'll be right back.

Looking for fun things to do this weekend? The Arrow Bears Weekend Calendar has you covered. Shows in town, movies to see, exhibits and specials around the Delaware Valley. Just use keyword weekend calendar at WMMR.com to get the list. Now back with more of the Preston and Steve show.

♪♪♪

Hey, how often do you call your mom? Every day, once in a blue moon maybe? Well, show the moms in your life how appreciated they are with Steven Singer's brand new limited edition 24 karat gold dipped blue moon rose for Mother's Day. This is the perfect rose for your mother, the mother in your life, anybody you call mother. It's glorious. It's a beautiful color. It'll be a hit. Skip flowers that die in a week.

Steven's famous gold-dipped roses are real roses dipped in real 24-karat gold guaranteed to last a lifetime. Blue Moon is available only at Steven Singer. Jewelers always free shipping at IHateStevenSinger.com. But hurry, these will not be restocked and supplies limited. That's IHateStevenSinger.com. Podcast. With this gorgeous weather, I think maybe people have vacationing on their mind. Oh, yeah. And getting away to some beautiful destination. And I actually have a few different stories that focus on vacation. I think you're all f***ing happy.

That wasn't dumb. That's the wrong one. That's not what I wanted. That's perfect, though. It fits. That's perfect. Definitely fits. What did you mean to play? Vacation by the Go-Go's?

I love that, don't you? That's from National Lampoon's family role. I think you're all f***ed in the head. It's time to take off with The Travel Agent. I'm The Travel Agent now. That's right. Oh, my God. I think you're all f***ed in the head, man. That's one of my favorite scenes. I think you're all f***ed in the head.

All right, so Optimus Travel has released a list of the most affordable vacation destinations in America. Okay. And I'm going to preface this with a different story. So I was just doing prep work. I find great lists of interesting things. Sure. And there was a list of...

it was a list of all-inclusive resorts not in the Caribbean. I was like, okay, that might be kind of interesting. It turned out a lot of them were beach locations. They just weren't in the Caribbean. And one of them was an American one, and it was in Vermont. And it was like a mountain resort.

all inclusive. See, that's interesting because you never see that. You never hear about that. As you're right, it's always beach or shore associated. Yeah. I wonder how many of those there are because that's enticing as well. Well, I... Is it a dump? No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to find it because I sent it to myself and I took it at home and I told...

you know, Rochelle about it. And we were like, well, let's pull up and see what it's all about. But I want to find the name of it for you. And I'm looking in my sent emails because I sent it to myself from a different account. Yeah, here we go. It's called Twin Farms. Twin Farms. And so I'm like, yeah, it looks beautiful. I'm looking at the pictures. I'm like, well, why don't we see what it's like to book a room? Okay, how much? All right.

So for three days, it was $3,500. And I'm like, oh, man. Wait, but it's all-inclusive? It is. I know. So like what do you – and I prefer an all-inclusive if I'm going down to a Caribbean – but I don't know how cost-effective it is. I just like the idea of not having to worry about, okay, I can just leave my room and if I want some food over here, drink over there. That's what you're paying for. You're paying to not have to bring a wallet with you. Now, this looks –

Looks beautiful, doesn't it? To me, if you go to the Caribbean, yeah, it's typically going to be a little bit cheaper. I mean, if you look at prices now, it's not that much cheaper. So that is expensive. But to me, that's not like, oh, my God. I mean, if you think about the food that you're going to spend. Well, yeah, the restaurant, the food looked fantastic. The drinks you're going to have, like anything. That's a good point. That's a good point. And is there entertainment and stuff on the premises? I mean, the

The place itself is your entertainment. It's like woodsy stuff, canoeing and hiking. Do you have to pay extra for that stuff or is it included? It's all inclusive. To be honest, I didn't do a deep, deep dive on it because I saw the number and I'm like, I don't feel like shelling out that for three days or whatever.

But, yeah, I don't know. It depends on what you're after. But I thought it was – I had a little bit of sticker shock. Well, listen. I haven't done an all-inclusive in ages. I haven't really priced them. I have no idea what they go for. So the – And here I am, the damn tour guide guy. The travel agent. The travel agent. Thank you. The travel agent didn't even do his homework. I'll tell you this. Hey, man, a couple of songs from a new LP we'd like to do. What is this? Dude, come on, man. They have to – We're having some problems.

I'm playing Traveler Man. By Bob Seger. By Bob Seger. But it's live. And they don't indicate that it's live. And we'll try it again. Anyway, the river cruise that I did, there's like the Vikings, I did Trouk, I should say, and that was all inclusive. Okay.

So this travel company looked at a list of over 100 well-known spots in the U.S. This is affordable vacations, by the way. Yes. You don't want to have to mortgage your house to go on vacation. Yeah, these are in America. And essentially, it just gives you locations. It doesn't give you the full place to stay or anything. So the cost of a seven-day vacation for a family of four, where is this?

Oh, okay. So the place they found that is the least expensive vacation destination, Outer Banks, North Carolina. Outer Banks. A lot of people love Outer Banks. And you know what, man? Your dollar goes far there, especially compared to the Jersey Shore. And I love the Jersey Shore. I spent my entire life growing up there. But if you spend $1,000 for a house for a week,

or whatever the cost is in the Outer Banks versus that same amount of money in New Jersey, you're going to get a much bigger house. There are wide beaches. It's a drive. It's a pain in the ass to get down there. And you can't really fly to the Outer Banks. You can't, you know, there's no real convenient airport. You're still driving. You're still driving. And obviously you can load up all this stuff and get to the Jersey Shore a lot faster. But your dollar goes a lot farther in the Outer Banks. So, Nick,

And Preston, when was this released? Because I actually looked at the Outer Banks for this summer little vacation and it was not much cheaper than the Jersey Shore. No kidding. It's not, but you're getting the bigger house. For what I was getting, I compared, it was not... It was up there? Yeah.

It was not... It just wasn't that big of a difference. And that's what people always say is like, you're getting much more going down there. And it really wasn't. And for that drive, for me, it was not worth it. I'd be curious to find out what the... So what most people's experiences would be. I'd heard the same thing about you getting more bang for your house buck down at the Outer Banks. My question would be what...

amenities wise and places to visit wise, you know what you got? Kitty Hawk school. Well, from, from what I've been told or the people who have done this themselves, but part of it is you just kind of stay at that house because a lot of them have a pool and a game room and all kinds of stuff for kids to do. Large spread. Kathy, by the way, I get, this was a recent study and they said the, um, in the outer banks, uh, this is the average, uh, vacation for seven days, uh,

for a, let me see here, group of a family of four, $3,248. So for a full week, a family of four, $3,248. All right. So I don't know if that includes...

If they're saying that's the overall cost that you'll be spending the entire time or if that's just the rental. I don't really know. How much if you throw in two smelly friends? Number two is Charleston, West Virginia. Oh, it's just there. Nice. Yeah, it's a pretty town. West Virginia is gorgeous. It really is. And it's an easy state to make fun of. The only...

One of the issues I have with West Virginia, it's very difficult to navigate. The roads are so windy. There's a lot. I mean, it's the mountain state. There's a lot of ups and downs, and so it's difficult to get in and out of that place. But once you're there, it's very, very pretty. Gorgeous scenery. Yeah, it really is. There's a relatively new national park, New River Gorge in West Virginia. And also, Kathy, a lot of people were texting in about Art of Banks. I think a lot of times you can get a house right on the beach, and you've got lots of space. What I looked at, it wasn't worth it. Okay.

Then you have number three on this list is Helen, Georgia. Helen, Georgia. Not familiar. Tybee Island, Georgia. You've heard of that one. Yeah, that's like not too far from Hilton Head, which is in South Carolina, but you get in the ocean and then go south. Just keep squaring. Gatlinburg, Tennessee.

Now, I've been there. As a kid, we went there a few times. And that's... It's kind of tourist trappy. Beach resort-y? No, not beach resort. It's in Tennessee. So there are no beaches there. And I don't even think it's a lake. I think it's just a...

you know, like a mountain town or something like that. I'd have to go back and look at it again. Nick, if you can look up Gatlinburg and see if there is any large body of water nearby because that would probably be, I mean, there's, I guess, it's usually based around some sort of water. You know what? It's relatively close to Dollywood and Pigeon Forge. Oh, that's the attraction. Okay. Yeah, like I said, tourist traffic. Yeah, I always think some base tours

base near water of some sort. But also the Smoky Mountains National Park is right there as well. Sedona, Arizona. Gorgeous. Yeah, that's what I hear. Been a number of times. And they're saying it's cheap?

That's what it says. It says they analyzed the daily meal expenses, cost of public transportation, accommodations, and attractions fees. I mean, a lot to do there you're doing for free because you're hiking, so maybe that... It's beautiful. The town has a cool vibe. A lot of alien activity, UFO stuff. If you want a rectal probe, that's where you go. They got that McDonald's with the blue arches. The blue arches.

Number seven on this list is a place for some reason I've always wanted to go. Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Cape Cod is gorgeous. Is it? Yes. Now, mind you...

They've been having issues with a robust great white population that's sharks. But we stayed at a place called Chatham. Yeah. Did you chat him in? Chatham's really nice. It's gorgeous. Right on the elbow. Yeah. The issue with Cape Cod, Preston, is essentially one road in and out. That's it. And most of the time it's two lane highway. So you can go putt-putt getting there. Gotcha. By the way, when we were flying to...

Florida this past time for spring training, I got a really good view of Cape May from the air. And Nick pulled up a map of Cape Cod. And now I understand, and I've seen maps obviously of Cape May and the area, but now I know why it's called

cape because it does have that land feature that kind of swirls out and looks like a cape. And that's where they get the term from that. Alright, so then we have Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Wow. That's number eight? Really? Did you drive through there? Vacation? Yeah. Stayed there twice.

But, you know, I didn't really see anything. We got there at night and left in the, you know, crack of dawn. Your perception is, though, that eventually they do have daylight. Eventually they do. But you know what? We did actually have a nice dinner there. We went to a nice little steakhouse. Really? That's all I can tell you. I don't know what would attract you as a vacationer. A steak dinner? Maybe a steak dinner to go to Oklahoma City. It's pretty. I was there 30 years ago or whatever, and I really enjoyed the drive. And I was shocked at how nice it was there. Really? Yeah, yeah.

Did Tiger King take place there? Was it Oklahoma City? That was Oklahoma. It was in Oklahoma. Yeah. I think when they needed meat supplies, they'd drive into Oklahoma City. All right. Here's one. Bend, Oregon. Oh, okay. I mean, Oregon, the Pacific Northwest is gorgeous. It's on the ocean. But I don't know what Bend is on the ocean. Yeah. Okay. I've been there. I've been to Bend. I don't remember a lot about it. Hmm.

Well, it's apparently an affordable vacation destination. Kathy would probably contest all these, though. Why? Well, I mean, because I bet you if it seems like they're hitting in a slightly more... No, I'm wrong. What? It's not on the ocean. I was thinking abandoned. Oh, yeah.

Bend and Dunes is a great golf course. Bend is not too far from our favorite town in Oregon, Eugene. Ah. All right. Well, we're looking at pictures, so there's a... Eugene. There's some beautiful water features there via a river and maybe a lake, so I guess that's attractive.

And then the last one on this list is these are affordable American destinations, vacation destinations. Monument Valley, Utah. Oh, wow. You've been, right, to Monument Valley? No. I've been to Utah, but not Monument Valley. I mean, Utah is great.

topographically is just beautiful. I would love to go back because it's been forever since I was there and I know that they've opened up a Geno's. There are five national parks in southern Utah and it's just incredibly beautiful to visit. Preston, can I ask that question that I posed on the conference call last night or do you want to save that for later? What was it? About driving west? Um...

As far as you want some suggestions? Yeah. Or, sure. I'm driving, I'm planning on driving from Philly to either Denver or Fort Collins in Colorado this summer. And I'm going to hit two national parks going west. The first is Cuyahoga Valley, which is outside of Cleveland. And the other one is, I don't know,

And then the next one is called Indiana Dunes National Seashore, and that's right on Lake Michigan, not too far from Chicago. After that, going west, I really don't have any plans. And it's a big country, and there's a lot to see and do. So if anyone has any ideas sort of in between Chicago area and...

Denver slash Fort Collins. Please let me know because I have a few days to kill and would love to hear some cool suggestions. Your regular email? Yeah, Nick at WMMR.com or hit me up on Instagram or whatever. And I love exploring and seeing new places. And Casey, your road trips were pretty damn awesome. So I'm going to do some of that. I think just...

north of the way that you did the route? Marissa was just saying that she's building a webpage, so if anybody wants to go to the webpage, they can make their suggestions that way as well. Nice. All right, and Nick, here's some suggestions. This was from USA Today. These are less crowded alternatives to the most popular national parks. Okay. I know you want to hit all the national parks, but I know you're a wilderness guy.

and maybe you want to go to some places that aren't as jam-packed. Like Dookie Valley. As national parks, but Dookie Valley may be a spot for you. No, this is experts are sharing the alternatives to go to, so I'll give you some ideas. Instead of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, visit Cherokee, North Carolina. It's where the park's quieter entrance, Oconaluftee,

and it's home to the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. If that's a park, then it is a large sump, but it is still interesting. Great Smoky Mountains National Park had almost 13.3 million visitors last year. Wow. If you're looking for less crowded, Cherokee has a similar feel. Other alternatives in the area are Nantahala National Forest, North Carolina.

Pisgah National Forest, North Carolina and Shenandoah National Park in Virginia. Those are all around Manthe. Manthe. Shenandoah is great. You have very large hands. Yes, I do. I've been to Shenandoah a few times. It's beautiful. I think Great Smoky Mountains, which is on the border of North Carolina and Tennessee, is the most visited national park of all of the national parks. And it's because it's easy to get to. People can drive there.

It says here, instead of Grand Canyon National Park, visit Sycamore Canyon. Sycamore. Sycamore. Grand Canyon sees 4.7 million visitors. Yeah, that's way less than Smoky Mountains. And Sycamore Canyon, also in Arizona, offers vibrant cliffs, towering pentacles, and Sycamore Falls with fewer visitors. Other alternatives include Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park, Colorado. Yeah.

Palo Duro Canyon State Park in Texas and Petrified Forest National Park in Arizona. Petrified Forest. So I...

I'm trying to think if I've been anywhere near this. My dad and I went to the Petrified Forest. It was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. Was it cool? Yeah, very cool. I did Grand Canyon last year and, you know, right in the height of it. And there was a lot of people there. It was crowded. But I didn't find it to be overwhelming or take away from the experience. Not shoulder to shoulder. No. What time of year was this? In the summertime. Okay. Whatever our vacation was last year, I forget, July. Okay.

Black Canyon in the Gunnison is really cool. It's in southwest Colorado. And I went there a few years ago. It's got really, really steep walls. And when you look down into it, you're looking back and millions of years of erosion. And it's a fascinating place. And you can really only go...

To the north or to the south? On the Grand Canyon of Arizona, you can kind of drive around. It's a long way to drive around, but you can do both. But the north or south of Black Canyon and the Gunnison takes a long time to get around. All right. Here, an alternative to Zion National Park. It says visit Belly of the Dragon Hike. Belly of the Dragon! Or no, Belly of the Dragon or Hike.

Or Kanab Sand Caves. Kanab Sand Caves. That sounds pretty cool. It does sound pretty wild. Yeah, K-A-N-A-B is how you spell that. I stayed in Kanab. Or anywhere near the Kanab Sand Caves. That's where the golf outlay is. The what? The golf outlay.

Gorefond. Casey, you went to Kanab? That's where I stayed there, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, because it's like you can kind of go anywhere from there. So I stayed in Kanab with my cousin, and we went to Zion, we went to Bryce, and we did Grand Canyon as well. Do you recommend it? Oh, yeah. Okay, and so these are less expensive.

less traveled park options. I assume with that comes perhaps a less expensive experience. Maybe. This is a different list than the expense thing, but it's just an alternative. But did you go near the sand caves in Kanab? No.

No, I would have loved it. I mean, we did a bunch there. I mean, we went to Pink Coral Dunes. Coral. Coral Sand Dunes. Wow. And so, Steve, it was so inexpensive when we went out there that we hired a travel guide to take us everywhere. Oh, nice. Like a travel agent. And it was awesome because he knew all the back roads. Like at one point when we were going to Bryce, we just cut through this ranch. Oh, nice. We had to get out and move the fence. We have an audio of your tour guide, by the way. I think you're all f***ed.

We're 10 hours from the fun park and you want to bail out. Pressing that photo that we just had up in the studio. It's called The Wave. And it's this really unique and interesting looking rock formation in southern Utah. It's not too far from Kanab as well. When thinking about any of these places, keep in mind that some of them require permits.

And some of those permits are difficult to get to. So if you want to go to the Wave or you want to go to places around Kanab, sometimes you have to get backcountry permits. Really? Sometimes. Oh, yeah. Sometimes you have to do it like a year in advance. And all the wildlife will knock you out if they see you. No, like you got to go through BLM. You can't get in, right? You can't. Yeah, you can't. Bureau of Land Management. There are things that you have to do in order to do these trips sometimes. Is it because of the danger, potential danger if you're not an experienced hiker? It's overcrowding. Okay. Okay.

All right, well, they're saying it's an alternative to crowding. So more options include Canyonlands National Park, Utah, Snow Canyon State Park, Utah, and Valley of Fire. I've heard of that. Fire! State Park, Nevada, by the way. What about Clyde Peeling's Reptile World? It's not on the list, but I've heard that's very affordable. We drove through Valley of Fire, and we were trusting Waze, and it had us turn down this...

Their road was not paved, and we made it maybe a quarter of a mile, and we were like, we got to go back. We really do have to turn around because... This is going to turn out bad. It was already turning out bad, and it was only going to get worse. Casey! Casey!

That's why when we drove across the country, I made sure to buy an Atlas just because when you don't, when you're out in that area, there's no cell service, you know? So we needed that Atlas. Wow. Uh, instead, and this is the last one on their list. Instead of Yellowstone national park, visit the surrounding area like West Yellowstone. Uh,

Uh, West Yellowstone offers similar activities like fly fishing, whitewater rafting, and ATV, UTV, and snowmobile trails without the nearly 4.5 million visitors Yellowstone gets. So what are you more naturally attracted to coastline or canyons, inner mountains, things of that nature? Wow. Where would you naturally be drawn to? Probably coastline. Uh, just because it, um, it makes me want to drink more. Uh,

Um, you know what I mean? It's just, you know, Kathy, I don't know. definitely coastline. However, like I said, did Grand Canyon Sedona all of that last year. And that was a really nice change. I'm glad I got to experience it, but typically I will gravitate to the water. There's something about the water, even if it's Brown, like the Jersey shore. Uh,

Although later in the day it turns blueish hue. It's nice. Other alternatives include Lassen Volcanic National Park in California. Yeah, I was trying to go there last year. It's also removed. It's a chore to get there, but worth it. Theodore Roosevelt National Park. Theo! I know.

I just pulled that up for you, Preston. It's in North Dakota. Yeah, and the reason to go there is if you want to go to Yellowstone where there is a ton of wildlife and a lot to do and see, but if you want to go to those parks just to see wildlife, I've heard that Theodore Roosevelt National Park, which is actually bifurcated, there's two of them, there's a ton of wildlife there and not nearly the crowds because it's North Dakota versus Wyoming. Okay. And then the last one they mention is Wind Cave National Park in South Dakota.

Familiar with that one too? Yeah, it's not too far from the Badlands. Okay. Hang on a second. We've got a couple of calls I'm going to go to. Circling back to Gatlinburg, I've got Kevin. Hey, Kevin, good morning. Hey, man. Been in the hoop too. 47 minutes. Just a little accident. That's an old one, man. Good. Kevin, so you vacation in Gatlinburg?

Every year, it's eastern Tennessee. It's one of the greatest places to go on vacation. It's super cheap, and you could go there for like 10 days for what it would cost a family of five to go to Disney for one, and there's so much to do. I totally second going to that area. I know it's very visited in Smoky Mountain National Park, but in a little town called Sweetwater, they have the world's largest underground lake. You go down in a cave. Oh, that's cool.

a glass-bottom boat ride, and they put trout in there in the 70s to see what would happen, and they wound up thriving because the water's so mineral-rich. It was a really great experience. So, the world's largest underground lake. Aren't you close also to that, the Alcatraz Museum? Where's the OJ...

No, it's the Alcatraz Museum. No, that's near Pigeon Ford, which I guess is near this, Catlinburg. Yeah, it's in Pigeon Ford. Yes, sir. It's very nice there. A lot of mountain cop wineries. I mean, you can get just as smashed there as you can the coastline. Right. How far is Dollywood from there?

About an hour. That's not bad. That's not bad at all. All right. Thanks, Kevin. Appreciate it, man. Yeah, that'd be a good family thing because there's lots of stuff to do, things for you to go and experience. And then we're going to go to Rob, worked for the Forest Service in Cherokee, North Carolina. Hey, Rob, morning.

Hey, how you doing, guys? Good, buddy. So we had mentioned Cherokee. Yeah, so it wasn't Cherokee, but nearby you mentioned the Nantahala Forest. Ah. Kind of close to Cherokee and the Great Smokies. The Nantahala Forest is a great spot if you love hiking and, you know, backcountry camping. Almost every trail down there on the Nantahala and either like a beautiful mountain vista or a waterfall,

Okay. Okay.

Well, I haven't been there myself, but the Nantahala Forest is pretty close to the Great Smokies. I mean, you're only maybe like an hour away from the Great Smokies as well if you're in that Nantahala Forest area. Okay. I worked out of a little town called Franklin, North Carolina, where you're about 84 miles from the start of the AT. If you start in the south, it's

It's got about 110 miles of the AT going through it and an additional whole bunch of other trails. And it's a great spot for through hikers on the AT. Almost everybody stops in Franklin. It's a town that's very friendly to the through hikers, so there's a lot of great activity going on. Yeah, it's like the town Rambo visit. Yeah.

And then destroy it. Right, yeah. All right, cool. Such a big, beautiful country. Thanks, Rob. Appreciate it. Yep. Yep, see you, man. Yeah, there's so much to see. It's massive. And you don't need to go broke, you know, getting to a lot of these places. Yep, yep, exactly. Case, is that all we have time for? Yeah. Well, I have a list of the best beaches in the world, but we'll have to get to that another time. That'll have to be for another time. This has been The Travel Agents.

Thank you for booking with us. We will take a break. Stay with us. Is Alexa copying an attitude when you want to stream MMR? Not to worry. Tell that corporate she'll suck up. Alexa, play 93.3 WMMR. And she'll get her shit together right quick.

Hey, how often do you call your mom? Every day? Once in a blue moon, maybe? Well, show the moms in your life how appreciated they are with Steven Singer's brand new limited edition 24 karat gold dipped blue moon rose for Mother's Day. It's the perfect rose for your mother, the mother in your life, anybody you call mother. It's glorious. It's a beautiful color. It'll be a hit. Skip flowers that die in a week. Steven's famous gold dipped roses are real roses dipped in real 24 karat gold guaranteed to last a lifetime. Blue moon is available only at Steven Singer drawers. Always free shipping at IHateStevenSinger.com. But hurry, these will not be restocked and supplies limited. That's

IHateStevenSinger.com. Hungry and in a hurry? Acme's flash grocery delivery or pickup gets you fresh groceries in 30 minutes or less. Fast, fresh, and right to your door. Acme. Fresh foods, local flavors. Here's a follow-up for you. A school worker admitted...

to stealing $1.5 million worth of chicken wings and other food during the pandemic and is now going to prison. We assume for resale, correct? We never did find out, to be honest. In January 2023, Vera Lytle was arrested by authorities in Cook County, Illinois. She began working as the director of food services for Harvey School District in July of 2020.

Between her start date... Is she a big fat person? ...and February 2022, Liddell made hundreds of unauthorized orders for food items, including 11,000 cases of chicken wings. That's a lot of chicken wings. The orders were made separately from the district's needed orders. The massive fraud, according to the prosecutor, said during the time...

was when students were not allowed to be physically present in school. It was during COVID. Right, so where were they going? Even though the children were learning remotely, the school district continued to provide meals for students that their families could pick up. District officials paid for the orders. Liddell then used a district cargo van to pick up and transport the stolen food. The food was never brought to the school or provided to the students. Tell me what, Wingy? The fraud was discovered when an investigator found that the food...

Service Department exceeded its budget by $300,000 halfway through the year. Let me ask you, did anyone at her chicken wing business have any insight into what might be going on there? Last week, Liddell pleaded guilty in the case and was sentenced to nine years in prison. Yeah, I'm assuming she was selling them to restaurants, you know, on the cheap or something. If not, she's got a huge addiction. Wow, man.

Have you guys ever heard of Bucky's Mega Gas Station? Oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah. They're supposedly pretty damn impressive. I've only seen pictures. They're huge. Super. Yeah. Well, with 50 locations in nine states, they're a must-stop destination for travelers who need clean bathrooms, an over-the-top food selection, and an endless array of gas pumps.

It's not all fun and caramel corn, though. A South Carolina Buc-ee's location is now the target of a lawsuit filed by a man who claims to have been injured after tripping over a rope that was securing a large inflatable beaver. Ha ha ha!

Yeah, in fact, all their beaver swag, it sells really well. Like, people just go and buy that stuff as a keepsake. The alleged victim says he sustained multiple injuries, including to his shoulder. The suit also claims that the location was aware of the dangerous beaver situation beforehand, and now the plaintiff is suing for negligence and unspecified financial damages. They're kind of like super truck stops, are they not? Yeah, they're huge.

Passengers on board Alaska Airlines flight 3492, operated by regional partner SkyWest, experienced an unexpected diversion that left many scratching their heads. The flight departed from San Francisco, bound for Jackson Hole, Wyoming, but was rerouted to Salt Lake City when the pilot revealed he wasn't qualified to land at the destination airport. Oh, my God.

The flight seemed routine until it approached its descent into Jackson Hole. Just want to let you know that I'm much stronger on the takeoff, but not so good on the landing. So if anyone knows how to land a plane, I'd appreciate a little input. As passengers prepared for the landing, a passenger reported that the pilot announced this. He said, hey, I'm really sorry, folks, but due to me not having the proper

qualification to land in Jackson Hole. We need to divert to Salt Lake City, Utah. We'll keep you posted on the next steps. You'd think you'd find out about that ahead of time. The plane then made its way to Salt Lake City where it remained on the tarmac for about an hour and a half before a new pilot arrived to take over. The replacement pilot successfully landed the aircraft in Jackson Hole, but not without some added drama. Passengers described the landing as one of the bumpiest they had ever experienced.

adding that the overall stress of the situation, by the time they finally arrived, the flight was three hours behind schedule. So I sort of get this. You've flown into Jackson Hole, have you not? Yes, I have. And it was a little bumpy, if I remember, because I've been there a couple times. But Denver is that way every time I've flown into it.

I can sort of see, like, it's problematic. It's like, pilots talk about hating to land at LaGuardia, and there are some pilots who are better at landing at LaGuardia than other pilots. Why? Because it's in the middle of a neighborhood? Well, also in just conditions, the length of the runway, so on and so forth. I wonder why he's not qualified. What is it? So, the key question is, how did a pilot end up on a flight to an airport that he wasn't qualified to land at? A scheduling error seems unlikely, but perhaps not being qualified wasn't a formal statement as

As much, and this is the guess by the person who wrote this article, as much as an expression that the captain didn't feel confident at the controls in the particular wind scenario that later led to a bumpy landing. Jackson Hole is at an elevation of 6,500 feet and surrounded by the Teton Mountains. It's known for tricky approaches. Gotta be honest, I think if I were trying to, I could probably crash the plane and we could all end up dead. Let's see a show of hands. Yeah. The pilot also... I vote no! The pilot also...

May have encountered higher minimums than expected on approach to the airport given their qualifications and current conditions at the time of arrival. There we go. Yeah. Clearly a decision was made based on safety, though the communication wasn't reassuring. And then we'll do one more story. And Casey, this reminds me of something you witnessed one time. A Eurasian eagle owl from the Minnesota Zoo flew away from a handler during a training session and then was eaten by a tiger. Oh, my God. Oh, man. Oh, my God.

Dude, you could have flown away literally anywhere on this earth. Flew into the tiger enclosure. The handler was training the owl for a bird show, but it failed to come back and landed in the outdoor tiger enclosure where it was eaten.

The Minnesota Zoo said animal welfare is a top priority in all facets of zoo operations. Doesn't appear that way. This was a tragic incident and the zoo has been working closely with its free flight bird training partners to review our policies and procedures.

The owl that was eaten was in the beginning stages of its training. Is that part of a show? The incident report instructs the zoo to develop and maintain flight training that ensures animals are handled in a way that prevents physical trauma and harm. Ladies and gentlemen, the Tigers Eating Other Zoo exhibit show is beginning in a half hour. It's the second time in three years that a Eurasian eagle owl died after flying away from the zoo. In 2021, Gladys flew off a tree...

during a training session and was found days later on the side of the road. She was injured and the zoo's veterinary team was unable to save her. If anyone wants to see a tiger eat a chimpanzee in 15 minutes... Dude, people would flock for that. I know it's wrong, but I gotta go look. There you go. That's what I have in the Bizarre File for you this morning. Stick around.

It's a scientific fact. People like free shoes. And at WMMR.com, you can find out how to score yourself some of that, like concert tickets, autographed gear, and even cash. Become an MMR VIP to get extra chances to enter online at WMMR.com. Now, back with more of the Preston and Steve Show.

♪♪♪

Hey, how often do you call your mom? Every day, once in a blue moon maybe? Well, show the moms in your life how appreciated they are with Steven Singer's brand new limited edition 24 karat gold dipped blue moon rose for Mother's Day. It's the perfect rose for your mother, the mother in your life, anybody you call mother. It's glorious. It's a beautiful color. It'll be a hit. Skip flowers that die in a week. Steven's famous gold dipped roses are real roses dipped in real 24 karat gold guaranteed to last a lifetime. Blue moon is available only at Steven Singer Jewelers. Always free shipping at

IHateStevenSinger.com, but hurry, these will not be restocked and supplies limited. That's IHateStevenSinger.com. Podcast. Steve, what's up this morning? Well, as you mentioned earlier, President Jennifer Lawrence confirming that she's expecting her second child with husband, Cook Maroney. In medical terms, Maroney slipped her the baloney. Thank you. Thank you. Please support your husband. He doesn't stand for baloney.

Former NFL star Eddie Lacey was apparently arrested last month for driving with a blood alcohol level four times over the legal limit. Apparently, Lacey was so hammered that the breathalyzer got drunk. Oh, my God. And finally, TMZ reported that Blac Chyna is now engaged to boyfriend rapper Derek Milano. Milano suggests he knows about Blac Chyna's reputation, but believes she's everything he's been looking for in a murder-suicide relationship.

So I saw this interesting article on BuzzFeed. They had asked women about the things that they've seen in a guy's room when they've gone back to his place, like for the first time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So never been there and experiencing that. I don't know if that means, you know, after...

If this was going to be a one-nighter or you just met or you've been on a few dates and now you finally go over to their house. Would you like to see my record collection? Whatever it is, something like that. I don't think so. Some of them got the ick immediately. But others were surprisingly wholesome and had total green flags. And there's a handful of responses I thought I would share with you. Quick question. When you started dating, you're first placed by yourself. Hmm.

Would you have been leery as a woman walking into it? Because I know my wife was when she came over to my house. My first real apartment that I paid for. No, I didn't have anything to hide. I didn't have anything that would have been considered embarrassing. It just wasn't a nice apartment. Neither was mine. But I actually, as a horror aficionado, I had a half torso with the leather...

Leather face mask on it. Yeah. And Claire, I remember her saying, she thought, I'm going to die. Did you tell her before you went in? Yes. I gave her, you know, I'm into horror movies and movie collectibles, but still.

It was a basement apartment, you know, so it muffles the screams. And so she came over. And yet, regardless, she still married me. My first apartment had the ugliest carpet you've ever seen in your life. It was, like, I mean, Steve, the original shag. Oh.

Oh, Jesus. When that first came out, it was yellow. Oh, my God. It was mustard yellow. It was horrible. A disease cloth. But it was cheap. Yeah. And so that's why I got it. And it was big. It was actually a two-bedroom apartment, but it was so cheap I could afford it. I found out, I told you guys later, that I was just down the street from the state prison. Yeah. And that's where the prisoners would go when they got out of jail. Yeah.

So they probably hid some stuff there that they're going to return for. Yeah, so, no, it was just an ugly place. So I'll give you a couple of examples of what women have said that they've seen. And feel free to call in if you had the first time you went to a guy's place and you saw it and you were either like, nope, I'm out of here, or it was the right thing to see. Right, right, right. What do you want to see? Here's one that says he had a hunting knife above his bed.

I made some dumb decisions, but I've never noped out of there more quickly. Uh, so she didn't like that. The hunting knife. Yes. Here's another one. Swords. Two of my exes had real swords on display in their room. Is that something you would have had? Not back then. Not back then. No, that was after I got married. Then you can get your swords guys. If you're young, if you're just entering the dating realm, hold off on the swords until after marriage, you'll be able to get them later on. Uh,

But yeah, so knives, swords, not a good idea. Didn't Jason Kelsey get his wife a sword for their anniversary or something like that? It just entered into the news cycle. I think he got her for their sixth wedding anniversary. He got her a sword. Okay. Pretty cool gift, huh? Was there any backup or any reason why? Was it the iron anniversary? I don't know. Oh, maybe. Yeah. All right. So here's a green flag. This one says...

Sorry. I got a cramp in my hand for no reason, guys. I wonder what was going on. What just happened? He just leapt out of the chair. He shot across the room and I'm like. But if you ever get one of those, I feel for you, man. Okay. It's good. Been doing legs?

Well, yesterday was leg day. There you go. But I skipped it. I thought they were skipping it. See? See? Yeah. I thought there was a revelation about Kelsey's sword for a second. I did too. I thought maybe we were going to... No, it wasn't a sword. It was a spatula. I thought you were trying to go find a sword. No, no, no, no. I did ride my bike the other day. It was my first ride of the year. Did you have any cramps while riding the bike? No. Oh, my God. I got scared for a second. I'm good. We'll be back with the business report.

I tried to do it quietly and then it just got worse. I am sorry to laugh at your pain. No, it was good. But that was out of nowhere. It does hurt though like a son of a bitch. So that was a hamstring? It was a hammy. I pulled my hamstring while I was asleep. Dude. And in the dream, I dreamt I pulled my hamstring. All right. Mrs. Romano. Thanks, Terry. She just texted me. I drink a lot. Is she really? Yeah.

You already said that? Casey's not drinking enough water. You need to hydrate, bud. Put raw tomato on your anus. Casey, how you feeling over there?

We're good now. Let's move on. We're all fine here now. Okay, back to what women have seen in guys' rooms when they come over. This one said, green flag, he had a picture of his dog on his nightstand. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. Green flag. They're indicating both good and bad. That was my last sexual encounter. Oh. That's my ex. What?

Oh, yeah. This one says, everything seemed normal enough, but as soon as I saw a sticker on the side of his computer tower of a cartoon girl in a skimpy swimsuit with giant boobs, I lost the interest. She said, just no. So, I don't know. You know. Yeah. But listen, when you don't know the person and you talk about a woman being in a potentially vulnerable situation back at his place, you don't know. Kathy. Yeah. What?

If you would go over to a guy's apartment, was there any sort of thing that you would do as a sort of protocol to look for things to check off on a list? Not me. Or just turn it over to your gut? No. None of this really happened to me. I always had a boyfriend. But the story I do want to tell you is a friend of mine used to... When they would get up to go to the bathroom or whatever, take a shower, whatever, whatever, she would go into their closet and she would look...

It's not what you think. She would look at the tags on their clothes to see what brand clothes they were wearing. Oh, wow. Sorry to God.

Is it a judging thing to see how much money they had? No, not money. Just to see if they were a good dresser. She would look at their style. She liked fashion very much. We don't have to guess who this was. It was not Elisa. I will put that out there. It was not her. It was another friend of mine who doesn't work in fashion but just was very into fashion. She would check out their clothes. We used to ask her too. We'd be like,

did he have anything new in his closet? She'd be like, yes, he bought this really nice jacket. Oh my God.

We don't know this stuff. I've never heard of that before. When she first told us, she was hesitant. And then we were like, no. She's like, all right, I'm looking to see how he dresses. Have you ever heard of anybody else doing that before? No, just her. I would love to know if anybody listening has ever done that type of thing. Yeah. 25263WMMR. I can't even imagine what kind of game I would attempt. You sit there for a second, baby. Oh, that's a new Batman figure. Yeah.

I'll get us some martinis, and that's a new Batman. He's on a motorcycle. Trying to think if I've done any snooping in a new relationship to dig, just to get below the surface a little more. What's in her husband's closet? I'm missing out on anything or not. Have you ever done medicine cabinet in the bathroom? Oh, yeah. I never really did, no. Okay. But Casey, yes. What? Yeah.

Yeah. So when you were dating or just like now when you stop at my house? Well, no. I probably haven't been in somebody else's medicine cabinet in – Seven or eight weeks. No, no, no. Probably like 12 years. Those are the biggest tampons I've ever seen. Coincides with something. So I lived with my parents more than once and I'm curious as to if –

how much of a red flag that is for a potential date, you know, like when you're living at home with your parents. Like as an adult, right? And then when I got divorced, I moved back in with my parents, which is a real high mark in my life. It might be less now, Nick, because so many... Because of the financial situation. Yeah. So many...

College graduates are living at home? You only have so much privacy, of course. And you kind of have to tiptoe around a little bit. So I'm just curious as to whether or not it's a red flag. Well, listen, I am married and I have kids and my mom lives with me. And I make sure that when I say it, I don't say I live with my mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I say my mom lives with us. My mom lives with us in her house.

Rochelle and I have had discussions that if one of our kids wants to stay with us, they can stay with us. What are you going to do? I know. Right. Turn him out into the snow. But it was a day when it was like, all right, time for you to get out. Fly, bird. Yeah, fly. Fly. And we're going to throw you. Wing just cramped up. I can't. Is that a red flag, do you think?

Screaming? Nowadays? Yeah. For dating purposes. Not for everybody, but for some people, yeah. How old? I mean, there's a grace period after college, right? An adult. 25? I would think probably 30 and up. Yeah. So 41, definitely. And I would also think, though, that a divorce scenario would certainly, you could understand that. Isn't the old, the Italian thing was living with your parents, right? That's what I was going to say. Just say you're Italian, they'll go,

Mamanone or... There's a Mamone. Mamone, that's an A? No, no, no. It's Momomes. The quarterback for the Chiefs? That's right, yes. Patrick Momomes. Yes. No, I think if... I think Mamone... It's a Tommy James song. I might be getting it wrong, but like if you're an Italian son living with your parents, I believe that the mom is referred to as Mamone. Ah. Here she comes, Nancy. Mamone. Dan. Mm-hmm. I live with my mom.

But it is in Italy. It is. I mean, that is very it is very normal. I mean, they stay until they find another woman, a woman to care for them the way their mother did. That's what it is. It's my morning. M-A-M-M-O-N-E. All right. Here's somebody who looks at somebody's clothing. Kathy, I'm going to go to Gabby. Hi, Gabby. Good morning. Hi, good morning. How are you? Good. What's up, Gabby?

So, I work in fine dining, and so when people come in, especially in the cold season, they have these luxurious, beautiful coats on. They coat check with us. I like to kind of slip in the coat check closet and just see...

Is it really nice fur? Is it actually like high end? Is it from Zimmin or is it like Fashion Nova? So if you're going out, let me understand this. If you're going out with someone and you kind of check in the coat. No, she works at a restaurant. I see. I'm sorry. Is that the exact same story? So, Gabby, what are you gleaming from this? What are you trying to find out? Why?

Well, I think a lot of times, well, I really appreciate like a nice fur coat and I think that they're gorgeous. So a lot of times I'm just like, oh, you know, this person, they look high end. They look high brow. Is it actually like an investment coat or is it just a really good dupe? Is it more, is it from, you know. Will you walk out to the table while they're dining and just say, you're an imposter? Yeah. That's raccoon. Yeah.

No, I honestly never reveal myself. Okay. I was just going through your jacket. All right. Thank you, Gabby. I'm just going through your coat. Yeah, I don't know. By the way, three chapsticks. Yeah. Come on. Please. The only time I've ever done any sort of snooping snooping other than the mystic edmiting is I hitchhiked one time and I was down the shore. I was a...

teenager-ish, and I got in the backseat of this dude's car and I started checking under the seats for guns. I was like, you know, if I'm going to get killed, I need a gun. I need a gun. I need to know ahead of time. I see you found my second gun. Yeah, that's for you, by the way. That's a passenger's gun. Here's one that this gal pointed out after going back to the guy's house. She said, hanging on the wall in his bedroom was a life-sized black and white portrait of his gorgeous nude physique.

No. He worked out daily, ate a special diet, got facials, whitened his teeth, etc. He was extremely proud of his appearance. Not a dating situation, but we do also know someone who has naked photos of herself hanging in her home in areas where if you have guests over, they're going to see it. Write it down. Seriously? No, I know who it is. You know who it is. And I want to see it. Yeah, yeah. You do? Yeah. Oh.

Okay. Okay. She's got big breasts. Here's another one. It says, one of his bedroom walls was completely covered in thousands of random Bible verses. He apparently cut out of different Bibles and some he'd written on little bits of scrap paper. They were haphazardly glued, taped, or thumb-tagged to the wall, and nope, it wasn't artistic. It's right out of every serial killer man of...

Oh, okay. I will say this. I'm not holding it up. No, it's okay. Yeah, so that, I mean, you're almost trying to, by the way, have I mentioned I'm a psychotic stalker? Because the Bible passage is glued to the wall. That's textbook psycho. Mm-hmm.

Here is one that I liked. It says he had boxed action figures and cheap collectibles everywhere. Oh, that sounds ridiculous. What kind of adult man would have that? Hallway. By the way, my aren't that cheap. From floor to ceiling with mass-made boxed collectibles. I made a dumb excuse and left this place and never went back. It's like 40-year-old version. Yeah. Collecting some toys. Yeah, yeah.

He's got the box of videos. Boner jams. Paul Rudd's giving them. Hey, you don't have anything in the boxes, right? Everything's out of boxes? Everything's out. Well, that's what a man does. Yeah. You should have seen how expensive his superheroes were. Hey, we

It's incredible. You saw my pad. You saw my room. Yeah. I mean, that's... You looking for backup here? No. Help me out. Is that not a panty dropper? That room? Totally, man. No, it's somebody who appreciates the fine art. I mean, my God. You're going to get wet just driving near my house.

All right, the last... Claire puts up with so much. The last one on this list is, and she said it was a good one. She said he had bookshelves filled with nonfiction books organized by topic with one small section, books I haven't read yet. And then she writes, OMG, my clothes couldn't come off fast enough. There you go. Wow. So he probably doesn't read. He just made that display for that reason. Yeah. You ever see anybody arrange their books by color? Oh, yeah. Drives me crazy. Why? Why would you do that?

color alphabetical do you have any blue books well alphabetical by title or by uh author uh last name uh nick my closet is by color i mean that's different than books but um the clothes in my closet yeah and your books and your bookshelves uh well i don't i have a small amount but i would not be opposed to organizing books by color nick you would you would hate this my girlfriend has the books

turned the opposite way so you can't see the pages because this is my friend who has an entirely white house. It's because the pages are white. Oh my God, that's so stupid. I want to go into her house with crayons and just start drawing on the walls. Oh no, just write, Nick, just write the title of the book on the page. Oh, here's another Steinbeck.

Minor arranged by genre. Each shelf has its own genre, but then on each shelf it's not in any order. Minor by weight. Bibles on the bottom. Seven pounds of novels, please, and two pounds of non-fiction. Slash.

thin what is it? Slicely thin? Slicely thin. I don't have a bookshelf. I was going to say my books get given away. I keep only the ones that I absolutely love because they collect dust and there's too many of them. They collect dust. They do. Not if you read them they don't. If I already read it I'm not going to go back and read it again. Most times I won't go back and read it again.

All right. Well, anyhow, thank you. Spona Lisa's old. I want you all to go home, wipe your finger on your book, and tell me if there's dust there. They're guaranteed there is. Okay. I'll do that. That's the first thing when I get home. Take a video and tag me in it. All right.

Your dusty book. We need to take a break. Stay with us. The Preston and Steve Show. Like the podcast? You'll also love it live. When you can call in. Weekdays from 6 a.m. to about 10.30 a.m. on the radio at 93.3 WMMR. Or stream the show live via MMR's mobile app.